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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:55 PM
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Race, race, reverse-racist, race-baiting, racial, racially divisive.... blah blah blah....
One of the things I really admire about Barack Obama is that when he talks about policy, he doesn't talk about policies that will help "blacks" or "women" or even "minorities" very much. He mostly talks about "the poor" or "the middle class" or "our soldiers" or "Americans". I knew that during this election our discussions would inevitably fall into the gutter of race; even race and gender.

Heaven knows, as a white guy, I can hardly go six months on these boards without being called "insensitive" or "misogynistic" or some other code word for bigot. It's the intellectual equivalent of dragging a fight out of the ring and into the gutter. So let's just get it out of the way. I'm white, therefore I am, by definition, a racist. I'm male, I'm therefore, by definition, a misogynist. All men are misogynists, all whites are racists. Hell, all blacks and hispanics, too. Let's all agree that anyone whose circumstances of birth give them a leg up in the world (and I certainly acknowlege that is my case) should be publicly horsewhipped, okay? I'll take my thirty lashes like a ... well, a person, and try to get on with my life, okay?

I really anticipated that the race issue would be something that came up AFTER the nomination, and that it would be the Republicans who brought it up. But no. Mississippi went for Obama because they are all racist blacks, right? Not because he's organized, has a ground up campaign and fights for every delegate, and not because Hillary made the tactical error of deciding that Mississippi wasn't a state worth fighting for. Naw... That kind of analysis would be way too ... empirical, right? Heaven forbid we should get beyond identity politics and actually think about how a message of "hope and change and throw the bums out" and early opposition to a failed and foolish war might provide a guy an advantage in the polls and the press! No no no. It must be a black white thing. After all, didn't white people vote for Hillary and blacks for Obama? There. That proves it, right? Nevermind that 25% of those white voters, when polled, acknowledged that they were, in fact, Republicans. Nevermind that Rush Limbaugh, a God amongst such folks, was encouraging them to vote for Hillary because they think McCain can beat her. No, let us not look at things in too complicated a way, okay? Let's keep it simple, black-white.

And Western, Lily-White States that went for Obama? Obviously that's misogyny at work. Those rough and ready male cowpokes (and curiously, their wives) are all voting AGAINST Hillary because she's a woman. Not because she determined early in her campaign that she was going to ignore flyover country and concentrate on the Big States. Not because they're just as sick of the bums in Washington as the rest of us. Not because she's perceived as part of the established Washington order. Not because Obama shrewdly calculated that these states represented easy delegates, ripe for the picking and organized there. No no no. That's way to complex an argument. Keep focused! It's race and gender, people. The whole world can be boiled down to that.

Can it be that the reason young people go for Obama is because he campaigns BEYOND identity politics and at least professes to believe that such thinking is obsolete? Could the excitement he plainly generates be a result of his message of change and hope and optimism (things young folks tend to believe in?) Clearly the answer is a resounding NO. He gets young people because they are young, Hillary is old, and they are all ageist bigots.

And obviously, the reason I support Obama is because I'm a misogynist. It couldn't possibly be because I believe in the man himself.

So let's keep it real, folks. Race, age and gender are what's important. Let's try to keep issues out of this discussion and in the classes of political theorists in college where they belong.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:59 PM
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1. Yes, it's clear you're a terrible human being. n/t
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:00 PM
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2. I know. It's my cross to bear.
I like your bears by the way...
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:05 PM
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3. Why? Cause they're strong and repressive to seals?
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 01:06 PM by HEyHEY
Jerk. ;-)

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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:31 PM
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5. LOL! And they're white, of course.
What can I say?
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:35 PM
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7. I was gonna go with "baby bears are cute" ...
...but obviously I couldn't REALLY think that...
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:07 PM
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4. Sure but his pastor said he wanted to imprison all white people and
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 01:43 PM by Guy Whitey Corngood
make them wear blue hats.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:32 PM
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6. What office is his pastor running for?
Because my pastor says some stuff I don't agree with. Do I have to renounce my church because I'm pro choice and he isn't?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:46 PM
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13. From all the shit that I've seen today I could have sworn the ticket was
going to be Obama / Wright '08. It's a non fucking issue and it's funny as hell to watch people piss their pants all over this board. Although you can't..... literally see people .....oh never mind.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:48 PM
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14. ewww. gross
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:36 PM
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8. How do you "impression" people, by the way?
I don't know what his pastor said, but that seems weird. Did he mean "Impress" like the British did to our sailors that started the war of 1812?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:44 PM
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11. Fixed. Damn you spell checker, damn you to hell!!!! n/t
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:45 PM
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12. Oh. Doh. Sorry. I didn't realize it was a typo.. LOL.
Imprison! I get it.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:48 PM
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15. I should read the options before hitting click on things, my bad. And don't
forget once Obama is in power he will force all white people to wear blue hats in their re-education camps. OHHH THE HORROR!!!!
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:25 PM
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17. I like blue hats.
Maybe that's just me, though. What do you prefer, fuscia?
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:50 PM
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16. PS: thanks for pointing it out before the edit time expired. n/t
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:48 PM
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18. de nada. I didn't actually see it was an error, though.
I thought that was what he really said.. LOL.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:38 PM
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9. "Hillary made the tactical error of deciding that Mississippi wasn't a state worth fighting for."
Huh? All 3 Clintons traveled around the state.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:40 PM
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10. Way too late to help. Barack had a ground team in place
before Hillary even imagined Miss. would be a contest. There's a great article on this in Rolling Stone, about Obama's "machine". EVERYONE has been underrating this guys ability to organize.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:58 PM
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19. I, too, thought that racism wouldn't surface until after the nomination. We were both wrong.
Racism and misogyny are all that Democrats seem to talk about anymore.

I believe the spin is, though, that Obama is supposed to be thankful that racism surfaced now even though it is within the party, so that he is toughened up for the GE. The logic being that he hasn't had to deal with racism before and he had better prepare himself.

Likewise, I guess Hillary should be thankful that misogyny has surface now, within the party, so that she is prepared for the GE. As with Obama and racism, I'm sure that she has never had to deal with misogyny before.

I used to chuckle when conservatives spouted that we were obsessed with race and gender and identity politics. I believed that we valued issues like poverty, war, justice, jobs and health care, as much as we did dealing with issues regarding race and gender. As I look through the posts at GDP, I don't chuckle quite so much anymore.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:14 PM
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20. "Identity politics" is very old-school.
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 03:15 PM by txaslftist
We need to move past it.

On edit: We need to move past it because unless you're a rich oil man or a corporate boss, your identity is pretty much irrelevant to the past 8 years. We've ALL been victimized by this insane Bush regime.
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