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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:49 PM
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For the first time in months I'm feeling queasy about our chances
of winning in November. And it's ALL about the "Reverend" Wright.

If what separates Obama from Hillary is judgment then he should have the good judgment to immediately squash this gathering firestorm by denouncing the "Reverend." If he won't then I'm not sold on his judgment. And all you well-intentioned Democrats who are defending the "Reverend"'s statements should have the good sense to stop.

I voted for Hillary in the Louisiana primary, but wasn't disappointed when it became clear that Obama would be our likely candidate. I'm surrounded by Republicans and independents in this state, and all they're talking about today is Obama's affiliation with that church. Face it... the Wright video is BAD news.

Mr. Obama, please restore our confidence. Denounce Wright's racist, lying bullshit.

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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:53 PM
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1. It will be hard for Obama to separate himself from
his "spiritual adviser of twenty years", and the man credited for the title of his book. Obama should go home.This will doom him in the GE.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:55 PM
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2. I think he's enjoying what he is doing to our party
:grr:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:57 PM
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3. Looks like we finally moved past the Muslim thing
Regarding your OP, Obama has already rejected Reverend Wright's views in one of the debates - same time he denounced Farrakhan.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:01 PM
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7. He sat by and listened for 20 years and denounced only
when he got called on it.

Par for the course with Obama.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:59 PM
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4. I'm glad you started another thread on this matter
There's not enough of them. Your concern is the gas in the Democratic engine. :patriot:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:08 PM
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15. what's this - the Obama tag team?
People can't start threads that question Obama?

Your tactics of shouting down the opposition aren't going to work here.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:47 PM
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33. IF HE WAS SHOUTING, IT WOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE THIS!!!!
DON'T YOU AGREE?!
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:00 PM
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5. He cannot denounce the man who coined "The audacity of hope" like he was just some supporter
Jeremiah Wright isn't some guy who endorsed Obama. He is a man who Obama cites as one of the most formative figures in his spiritual and philosophical development.

The problem is that Obama is a largely unknown figure, new on the national scene, and people are directed to THE AUDACITY OF HOPE as a blueprint for Obama's approach to governing America, and it doesn't help that the book contains a sermon about "the audacity of hope" by a mentor who happens to be racially divisive and all around offensive to most Americans.

So simply saying "I denounce him" today doesn't un-write the past.

This is a non-trivial problem, from an electoral standpoint. (It doesn't make Obama a bad man, though.)
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ExtraGriz Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:00 PM
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6. the rethugs are going to have a field day with this for the GE
its his mentor, and the rethugs can edit a lot of 30 second clips from the video...
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:24 PM
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25. Will you get your talking points right
Joe Lieberman was his mentor.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:03 PM
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8. agree
I'm for Hillary but I'll vote for whoever is the dem nominee

but i'm increasingly worried about dem chances in the GE

agree, totally, if Obama has any sense, he will IMMEDIATELY condemn Wright, dissociate himself from him, and make some statement to the effect that he never personally witnessed those diatribes and now that he sees them on video he realizes Wright is wrong (pardon) and must be rejected and renounced
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:07 PM
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12. It's too late for that.
This will very likely kill our chances in an election that was ours to win ... or to lose. Once again, Dems find a way to lose.

Of course, SOME OF US tried to tell you. SOME OF US tried to warn you that Obama was too new, too untested, too much in need of serious vetting on the national level. I hope the Kool-Aid was good.

Bake
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:04 PM
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9. I see the Clinton memo this morning was still aiming towards a racial divide
Theres a sudden surge of faux outrage today over statements made quite awhile back by someone no longer acting as a Pastor for Obama's church.

You guys need more than one fake outrage to focus on per day, it looks like a staged campaign tactic.

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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:05 PM
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10. Blame it on Clinton. That should excuse Obama. Riiiiiight!
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:11 PM
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19. Blame it on Clinton.
Not on her, just you.

Im glad you Hillary supporters didnt take her yesterday evening appology for the racist attitudes her supporters had brought into this campaign seriously either.

:rofl:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:05 PM
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11. This is, of course, race baiting.
Jeremiah Wright is this years Willie Horton.

Well, we knew it'd happen. It's up to us to fight it.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:07 PM
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13. OP don't worry about that
Whoever comes out of this and goes into the GE, they will win. After the screw up of Bush, people are ready for a democrat president.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:08 PM
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14. Your concern is duly noted, and will get all the consideration it so richly deserves. NT
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:09 PM
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16. actually, I'm queasy because Clinton's kamikazee campaign is already bollixing up
the eventual nominee in order to set up a president MCCain.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:14 PM
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20. The picture on this campaign button makes me "queasy"..
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:19 PM
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22. Yea, that's what's giving me the drizzles
Nothing like a political murder/suicide to have one reaching for the Pepto.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:09 PM
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17. sadly, i partly agree. He should have had judgement to see this would be a terrible thing.
Republicans will play him over and over and show the picture of him with his pastor, and him saying he was his mentor in commercials.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:10 PM
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18. "Mr. Obama, please restore our confidence. Denounce Wright's racist, lying bullshit."

He has.

You need to grow a set... seriously.


You panic WAY too easily and I'm glad you're not on the campaign.

You're letting the likes of Hannity scare the bejeesus out of you.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:16 PM
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21. Things like this seperate
the stalwarts from the not so much.
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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:31 PM
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27. Are there enough stalwarts
to win in the general election?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:46 PM
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32. With hilary and mccain on same ticket?
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:55 PM
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34. dems should be scared
whoever the nominee is, they'll have a very tough time against right wing tactics

have you skimmed any right wing web sites?

believe me, they're creating a war chest profile to use against O

right now O needs to take quick proactive steps to condemn Wright and get him off the campaign committee, etc...
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:21 PM
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23. Take some pepto you'll feel better.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:24 PM
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24. You're simply letting "them" control the message. Nothing more, nothing less.
Obama ought to just go ahead and let one of his surrogates leak something on Clinton so we can all pay attention to her for awhile.

It's a game. You're being played.

Obama doesn't have to denounce anything. He should announce he is insulted by anyone who thinks he's not patriotic and change the message. In this country we're allowed to have friends and associates who hold different viewpoints from ourselves. It's how we learn. It's the whole red state/blue state thing. He should STAND UP for himself not defend himself. Put the ball back in their court.

If he starts playing the defend himself against everyone he knows game we'll lose before we even get started. I'm tired of this game of faux outrage over his church. It's unAmerican and we ought to try and stop the madness. The Democrats will NEVER win until we change the rules the Repubicans wrote.

Enough fear.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:34 PM
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28. Pastor
What a load. If Dubya's vile religion didn't sink him, why would a black pastor pointing out that the country is run by rich white men? How is that racist? It is a fact.

There has never been, and will never be, a candidate without baggage that can be used against them. My God, has there ever been one with more of it than Hillary? The answer is to keep asserting a positive message, while attacking your opponent on the issues.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:36 PM
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30. Exactly. Don't get stuck "defending" against obnoxious accusations.
They are simply using the same playbook as the last 2 elections. When will we LEARN from it?!
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:34 PM
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35. Most baggage doesn't say "God Damn America."
I can't believe anybody interested in winning in November isn't condemning this shit.

You will lose. That caption is fatally toxic to a campaign.

Bake
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:28 PM
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26. I know, I have been starting to worry too!
But then I realized, wait a minute, this is exactly the point of all of these attacks. Try to crush our enthusiasm, get us to vote for Clinton out of fear, and depress Democratic turnout. I don't think it's going to work. I'm confident that Obama will have a good response to this when the time comes. Who is really talking about this now except for right wingers and interestingly, some "Clinton supporters" on DU?

In fact the timing of this almost makes me wonder if the Obama campaign didn't help get it out there right now, while Spizer is dominating the headlines. Better now than in October. By then it will be old news, he will have been asked about it directly and he will have a great response prepared. Sure the ultra right wingers will still harp on it through November but that's to be expected.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:35 PM
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29. I agree. There may still be chance Clinton gets the nomination n/t
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:39 PM
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31. This will be a huge problem for the democrats
....let's see Obama's "judgement" tested. How will he handle this firestorm. Or maybe the question is "how CAN he handle the firestorm" after being a member for 20 years. I just don't know. What a big fat stinken problem for the democrats.
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