So the pastor who married Obama and baptized his children is a racist who church Barack still

[saracat]

attends and no one has a problem with it???? Obama himself says"he doesn't think that Wright is that controversial" according to ABC!Barack has "chosen" to listen to racist rhetoric for 20 years.The following is okay with his supporters? And Ferrarro is worse than this? And BTW, a current video has Wright instructing congregants to sing "God Damn America" instead of "God Bless America". This is just fabulous for the GE!




Jeremiah Wright speech from YouTube video (

(video begins in mid-sentence) ‘…people have to put up with, who cares about what a poor black man has to face everyday in a country and a culture controlled by rich, white people.

Somebody missed that, you got nervous ‘cause we got so many members here – I am still in Bible country. I am still in the text – Jesus was a poor black man who lived in a culture that was controlled by rich, white people. The Romans were rich, the Romans were Italian, which means they were European, which means they were white, and the Romans ran everything in Jesus’s country.

It just came to me within the past few week...why so many folk are hating on Barack Obama. He doesn’t fit the mold: he ain’t white, he ain’t rich, and he ain’t privileged.

Hillary fits the mold. Europeans fit the mold. Giuliani fits the mold. Rich, white men fit the mold.

Hillary never had a cab whiz by her and not pick her up because her skin was the wrong colour. Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over as a black man driving in the wrong. (sic)

Now I am sick of Negroes who just do not get it. Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home. Barack was.

Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a n----r. Hillary has never been had a people (?not sure?) defined as non-present (?not sure?).

Hillary ain’t had to work twice as hard to get accepted by the rich, white folk who run everything or to get a passing grade (when) you know you are smarter than that C student sitting in the White House.

Oh, I am so glad I got a God who knows what it is to be a poor black man in a country and a culture that is controlled and run by rich, white people. He taught me, Jesus did, how to love my enemies. Jesus taught me how to love the hell out of my enemies and not to be reduced to their level of hatred, bigotry, and small-mindedness.

Hillary ain’t never had her own people say she wasn’t white enough. Jesus had his own people siding with the enemy. That’s why I love Jesus, y’all. He never let their hatred dampen his hope. There is a name I love to hear. (?not sure?) I love to sing his words. Sounds like…' (video cut off).

==================

[scheming daemons]

1. John Kerry's priest wants to deny women the right to choose......

.... by your logic, we should therefore assume that John Kerry endorses that viewpoint.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

25. Exactly. Anything to distract from Hillary fundraiser Ferraro's bigoted comments.

[DearAbby]

39. But their new attack is just as racist in nature

as the last attack, and the one before that and the one....

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. Point well taken.

[tishaLA]

51. Precisely

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

66. They're going to have to start a Klintons Klan Klub.

for all their surrogates who race bait.

[elixir]

52. I think you folks have a bomb on your hands.

[DearAbby]

61. This reeks of Racism

This manufactured controversy reeks of racism, trying to prove Obama is a racist. The bigots couldn't do it one way, so they are going around in circles to do it another. Dogs chasing their tails.

And who sniffs around the garbage heep of Fox and Hannity, to pull out this nasty smelly bit of trash, and spread it like manure on DU?

It totally reeks

[Bake]

87. It's HARDLY manufactured!!

But keep telling yourself that if you ignore it, it will go away.

See how well that worked for John Kerry with the Swift Liars.

Obama had the chance to inoculate himself from this shit years ago - by loudly and visibly leaving that church and finding another one.

You think this doesn't play right into the GOP's "Why do you hate America?" theme?

Holy fucking shit. Yeah, a real manufactured controversy. The Swifties were manufactured, and it worked. This is the real deal.

Bake

[DearAbby]

114. Manufactured

Democrats will again snatch Defeat from the jaws of Victory. What exactly has this pastor said that was wrong? Jesus is really Blonde haired, blue eyes and White? Whites really don't get preferential treatment in this country? Pastor is lying, racist bigot.

Obama:

He's not black enough
He's not light enough
He's a Muslim
He's a Christian...but not the right kind.

Its all part of the same problem, racism. This country ruled by elite white men, holding back woman and minorities, we should be proud of that? Was he wrong about that?

If the color of the skin doesn't work, lets try Religion. Taking your god and using him/her as a weapon. Another means to separate.

His pastor says God should damned the actions of this country. Actions that has caused pain and suffering all over the world. Ever read "Confessions of an Economic Hit man"? We started a wars over lies, torture human beings. Are those actions we should be proud of? Do you believe that maybe those actions, by our government done in our name, in one way or the other caused 911? Could that be remotely possible?

We on DU have been damning the actions of this administration for the past 7 yrs. America's problems go back further than that. But are we wrong?

A man stands up and says, because of these actions, God should Damn America...Well we have, why not your deity?

[Bake]

121. Do you even WANT to win this election?

Nobody who gladly associates with someone who blares "God Damn America" gets anywhere near the White House! It just ain't gonna happen. That's not racism. It's REALISM.

Bake

[DearAbby]

126. Lets hold flags and hands and Sing "GOD BLESS AMERICA!"

everything is just fine, eat this cookie, by the time you are finished you wont remember a thing, everything will be right as rain.

Please provide a Quote where Obama said "God Damn America"


Edit: By the way, do you want to lose this election. Picking parts out of a sermon, is exactly what the purist fundies would do. I am sure they are grateful to you and your supporters for doing their work for them. You know those who would deny rights to Americans because of their sexual preferences, their color, their gender?MANUFACTURED!

[Bake]

137. You know what? I CAN sing God Bless America!

And I'm not going to apologize for it!

This is not "picking out parts of the sermon." The assclown said it, shouted it, repeatedly. He has been Obama's Billy Graham for 20 years. He married BO and MO, and baptized their children. He can't distance himself enough from the idiot.

Bake

[DearAbby]

145. As an atheist

He married BO and MO, and baptized their children, part is just alien to me. I was married in a church, because my ex mother in law wanted it. I had no idea what the pastor's political views were, and frankly I didnt care.

My father was a bigot, not the mean type. (he is gone now) I loved him with all my heart, even knowing his faults. His teachings in many ways are reflected within me. He was my mentor in many ways, but I rejected his bigoted ways. I even forgave him, knowing he was an ignorant man, raised in a different time and place. Does that mean I should denounce and reject my own Father?

I am able to take the good points and adapt them into my life, and throw away those that I reject, and still love and respect my Father for who he was.

[Owl]

159. Wonderful post, wonderfully said.

I've much the same feelings of my Father.

Thanks!

[Maat]

167. With all due respect, he should have to leave his church.

I wouldn't leave mine for anyone.

This is nonsense; Rev. Wright has retired; and, he happens to be strongly pro-GLBT rights, as well as pro-human rights, of any kind. True, he ran an Afro-centric church, but, to me, that if far different from a racist church.

[Maat]

170. I meant: "He should NOT have to leave his church."

[BlackVelvet04]

162. Sure does....

Wright is very racist.

[jackson_dem]

161. As if Ferraro is the same as Wright, Obama's mentor/pastor/and spiritual leader

[DURHAM D]

Is that all you've got? weak weak weak n/t

[elixir]

46. Try again. YOu missed.

[scheming daemons]

56. How so? You are equating "belonging to a church" with "agreeing with the church 100%"

Apples to Apples.

[elixir]

62. UH MA GAAAD. This must be a sore spot because you guys are dancing

around this one like a hotdog at a barbeque. This is big, folks. He's made public that this is his church meaning he agrees with its tenets.

[LibraLiz1973]

103. Kerry DID endorse that view point, personally. The difference

was that he did what his constituents wanted, not his church.

[BlackVelvet04]

158. John Kerry's priest wasn't his personal mentor....

for 20 years. This is a whole different ballgame.

[ellacott]

2. What is racist about what he said?

[saracat]

8. Oh Okay. Not hate speech to you? "God Damn America " is appropriate too?

[ellacott]

9. What was racist?

That's all I asked

[mrreowwr_kittty]

13. God damn America! There, I said it.

And I'm not wearing a flag lapel pin either. You can take that jingoistic Joe McCarthy crap somewhere else, ya know?

[Zynx]

43. And also could never get elected president like that.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

54. I'm not running for President and I don't think anyone else on this board is either

I come here to get AWAY from the kneejerk Amurka Love It Or Leave it crap. Dissent is the highest form of patriotism and sometimes it's appropriate to just admit that America flat out sucks in a lot of ways, on racial issues in particular. I don't wonder why people like Rev. Wright say the angry things they do, I wonder why they don't say them more often.

[elixir]

64. Shame on you for pretending there's nothing wrong w/ this guy. Would you go to his church?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

80. Probably not, since I'm an atheist. I think all religion is stupid.

Billions of people base their lives on a collection of folk tales written thousands of years ago. It's ridiculous. Yet people act surprised because some people take the more outrageous statements in those scriptures to heart.

[David__77]

83. Why not?

I mean, he speaks the truth.

[Zynx]

160. 9/11 was a "wake up call to the White West"? Really?

Unless you are deluded that is a peculiar way of viewing it.

[ContinentalOp]

21. Pointing out that rich white people hold all of the power in America

is now considered "hate speech" by DUers? Are you sure you're in the right place?

[MojoMojoMojo]

47. I can just imagine that song on the swiftboat commercial.

"GOD DAMN AMERICA"
The imagery will be Farracan Rezco Auchi and Obama in muslim attire.
With the announcer saying Rezco took a 3.5 million Iraqi "loan" from a foreign Panamaian corporation 3 weeks before Obama purchased his home.

[elixir]

68. Shame on you. That would be a terrible ad for Obama to run.

[haymakeragain]

138. Goddamn you are weak. You should be

held to account for thinking Americans are that damn stupid. You make no sense. You got no clue. You need to sharpen your rhetoric because right now you sound like a fool.

[tishaLA]

55. Does the Bible NOT say that God damns those who

kill innocents? I'm not Christian, but I seem to remember something about a sermon on the mount.

"'Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they that mourn, for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad, for great is your reward in heaven; for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.'"

[elixir]

69. Sounds like you've gone all REM on us and found your religion.The guy is a liability, get rid of him

[tishaLA]

72. I'm sad to see progressives attack a progressive church

and I'm especially sad that this is all a kind of coded rebuke of urban Black churches, which quite often contain this kind of rhetoric.

[elixir]

79. Let's hear some more rheotoric like this from other urban black churches. Hey,

guess what. I go to the church across the street from my house and it's an urban black church. YOu know what? They don't talk like that. They don't say the rich, white man is holding the black man back, that the black man has to work twice as hard to get to where the white man is. No, they don't. Why don't you go to an urban black church and check it out.

[tishaLA]

84. I have. And if you looked and listened, you'd hear it

[Lilith Velkor]

168. They do in my town

They're also raging homophobes, but nobody gives a shit about that.

[Bake]

123. This is not racism, it's REALISM.

The sooner you pull your head out of your ass and stop playing the victim, you'll realize that NOBODY who knowlingly, gladly, willingly associates with someone who preaches "God Damn America" gets ANYWHERE NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE!!

That's just the FACTS. Stop being so defensive and wake up and smell the coffee.

Bake

[bhikkhu]

171. It has much more to do with the prophets

The style of sermon even has a name, the Jeremiad, related to the prophets calling down or warning of the wrath of god upon the wickedness of Israel. In context, the whole sermon becomes quite sensible.

[elixir]

53. Rich white man suppressing the black man. I think that covers it.

I think you folks have a bomb on your hands.

[JerseygirlCT]

136. I'm not seeing it, either.

His history is a little shaky (confusing Italians and Romans... ), but have we people of European ancestry really moved so far from understanding our own history that we cannot understand where this guy is coming from? Do we think if we deny the reality of racism in our culture it will not exist? Do we really think that our skin color doesn't still to this day, award us privileges?

That Obama has come from a difficult background and seeks to overcome our differences and the history of racism in this country is a plus for him. He seems to be channelling any anger into constructive action, and seems to be open to dialogue - which is what is needed to really move forward. Wright sounds pretty angry still - I can't blame him for that. I haven't walked in his shoes.

I didn't read anything suggesting violence toward white folks. I read an angry black man taking refuge in his religion.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. So Jeremiah Wright is a racist but Geraldine Ferraro isn't?

Why are you holding white people to different standards you're holding black people?

[elixir]

70. I have no problem with calling Ferraro's comments racist, they were. Do you have a problem

with calling Rev. Wright's comments racist? Go on, call him a racist. Because he is.

I think you folks have a bomb on your hands.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

77. I wasn't addressing you.

I believe the OP was defending Ferraro a couple of days ago. I could be mistaken.

"Do you have a problem with calling Rev. Wright's comments racist?"

I haven't yet seen the comments that people are claiming are racist. So far it appears to be continuing Ferarro's argument that the Obama camp is racist against white people. Seems like simply, direct Willie Horton-style race-baiting, i.e. these attacks in and of themselves are racist.

[uponit7771]

92. What about what he said was racist!?! Do you even know what the word means?!?!?!

[ProSense]

4. Ferraro's comments are far worse, far more damaging, and worse still your continued defense of them.

The Wright story is a an attempt to distract from the current controversy!

[saracat]

12. Yeah right.And Jesus was black and all whites are wealthy.

This is race baiting.And all "Euopeans are bad." Okay then.

[ProSense]

16. Yeah right, bait and switch. Pathetic. Keep denying a very real problem Hillary's campaign has.

There is a reason only 52% of Democrats (vs. 70% for Obama) deem her trustworthy!

[elixir]

74. Enter the voice of reason, ProSense. "I'm changing the topic by saying

you changed the topic...now we're not talking about this ridiculously huge liability to Obama's campaign. He's way worse than Ferraro.

[Mooney]

32. Jesus WAS black. n/t

[Window]

65. Yep, with, " hairs white like wool," and "his feet like unto fine brass, as if they

burned in a furnace." Sounds Black to me.

[GoldieAZ49]

144. Really? I understand the Bible to say Jesus was a Jew - wow I hope someone

tells the Jews they were wrongly persecuted

[Jamastiene]

174. He was Jewish, not black, for the record. n/t

[David__77]

37. You are misleading here. He didn't once say "ALL whites"...

or "all Europeans." The fact is that racism is a white problem. And anyone who cannot see and admit that America is ruled by a white power elite has a serious problem in the progressive department.

[Jamastiene]

173. Racism is not ONLY a white problem.

Racism is a problem for all races and by all races. I'd still like to see anyone justify that preacher saying God Damn America. That's just like something Fred Phelps would say.

[phillysuse]

40. Actually I believe Jesus was Jewish

A son of a Jewish white woman.

Wright doesn't know squat about Jesus.

[theboss]

71. You think Mary looked like Mia Farrow?

Obviously Jesus was Middle Eastern. Whether that counts as "black" is subject for interpretation.

Most of the black churches that consider Jesus to be a black man are trying to pull him out of the Catholic European iconography where he looks like Kenny Stabler.

[boppers]

78. Black Jews exist, BTW.

There was a massive airlift from Ethiopia. Positing that Jews are "white" is just plain racist. FYI.

[durrrty libby]

18. Yea riiight

:dunce: :rofl:

[anamandujano]

5. Take a look at all the threads they've started to rationalize Wright's

rants.

They project racism endlessly on words that others use, but straight out racist rants are okay with them.

"Fairy Tale" is now a racist term. Go figure.

[scheming daemons]

14. The threads are in response to the coordinated carpet-bombing of Wright last night by Hillbots.....

Wright may or may not be a racist..... but Wright doesn't work on Obama's campaign... so whatever Wright says or believes has NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on what Obama says or believes.


Hillary's certainly not responsible for YOUR rants..... only for those who work on her campaign.


If Rev. Wright worked on Obama's campaign, this would be a story. He doesn't, so it really isn't.


Nobody can live up to a standard of defending every statement made by any person who happens to know them.

Are you prepared to defend yourself against the statements made by ANYONE who happens to know you?


That's ridiculous.

[anamandujano]

23. RATIONALIZATION--"Wright may or may not be a racist."

One has to hope that when you've finally exhausted yourself from spinning, your head ends up facing forward.

[scheming daemons]

30. Ok... I concede... Wright is a racist. This impacts on Obama HOW? Wright isn't part of campaign

I have racist friends. I'm sure you do too. Does that make you a racist?



Now... If I *HIRED* those friends to work on my campaign.... that would be a different story.

[anamandujano]

44. I don't have any racist friends.

I'm usually among whites so have heard some stuff over the years, when people assume it's ok to speak like that. I asked them straight out if they were racist and told them it was a lowly trait, that they were ignorant. Needless to say, there were some places I lived that after jettisoning these fuckwits, I had no friends at all.

And we'll all have to watch and see how this impacts on Obama.

The guy deserves to be busted on this, and I hope he is.

[scheming daemons]

57. WRIGHT deserves to be busted on this..... Not Obama......

Guilt-by-Association is ridiculous....

[elixir]

82. You yourself said "NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on what Obama says or believes" but it does. He attends

the church, so the sermons have everything to do with what Obama believes.

This is part of the candidate we're chosing for the presidency, this matters. It matters just as much as his marital status, his voting record, his driving record, his criminal record (or lack thereof). When we elect a president we are looking at all aspects of their life not just their last legislative vote.

[Jamastiene]

175. Precisely.

A person doesn't listen to a man preach that type of hatred every Sunday for 20 years and come away with anything but the same instilled into their own beliefs.

[GoldieAZ49]

146. Obama choose him to be his spiritual adviser - glad to see you admit

that Obama choose a racist as his spiritual adviser, which is closer than anyone on his campaign could ever be




Ok... I concede... Wright is a racist. This impacts on Obama HOW? Wright isn't part of campaign
Posted by scheming daemons



I have racist friends. I'm sure you do too. Does that make you a racist?



Now... If I *HIRED* those friends to work on my campaign.... that would be a different story.

[leftynyc]

88. FORGET HILLARY

and start looking ahead. How is this going to play with the idependent vote that Sen Obama is going to need to win the election? That's the only issue.

[NMMNG]

120. Whether or not he's acting in an official capacity,

Wright has been stumping for Obama for months--from the pulpit no less. If Obama didn't want to be associated with his hateful rhetoric he should have clearly disassociated himself long ago, but he chose not to. Now it's time for both to face the repercussions.

[gabeana]

19. point out what is not true

did white europeans not control the United States? I don't think Jesus was black but he sure wasn't white, so what is overtly racist, point it out, just don't say something is, back it up

This is one of my favorite quotes
"In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act"

George Orwell

[anamandujano]

45. Point out what is not true about what Bill Clinton said, or Ferraro.

Go ahead, give it a try.

[scheming daemons]

59. Bill and Ferraro are part of Hillary's campaign.... Wright is not part of Obama's.....

[saracat]

93. Obma has been giving campaign sppeches at that Church. That is party why the Church was busted

by the IRS. And Wright campaigns for Obama from the pulpit. He is as much part of Obama's Campign as Ferraro who wasn't "paid " staff and just one of 10o's of names onm the Finance Committee.

[gabeana]

148. Answer my question first

don't weasel out okay, and don't say just because. once you do then I will answer your question.
nice try trying to change the subject, it is cowardly though.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

6. OK, my football coach is a racist, so.......

I don't agree with him.

[uponit7771]

91. What grade were you in while he was your coach? ;-) Yeah, they're stretching

[gaspee]

7. Didn't you read the thread

That says African Americans can't be racist? And anyone who says they can is actually a racist...

And while I do agree to an extent that they cannot be racist at an institutional level because of power differentials inherent in our white, straight dude dominated society, they sure as hell can be on a personal level.

The backlash against all this racial tension rhetoric is going to be huge. It's already starting. And it's going against Obama for those who think it's going against Clinton.

Whether it's true or not, most people (especially Republicans I know) get pissed off if you repeatedly call them racists.

calling all Clinton supporters racists is about the fastest way I know of to lose the general election.

I think something the Obama fans keep forgetting in their passion is that fully 50% of Dems support Clinton, not Obama.

All this flinging about of the racism charges is going to lead to a McCain presidency.

[blogslut]

10. How is he racist?

In your view?

[rucky]

11. While reverse racism and sexism do exist...

Claims of such are generally not taken very seriously, and often abused for self-serving purposes. Before you jump in, you may want to carefully consider if this is a cause to commit to. You're going to have some strange bedfellows.

[shraby]

15. Obama is NOT his pastor.

Many priests and pastors say things that the congregation does not go along with.
Look at the Catholic church on birth control. Still condemns it but a goodly portions of Catholics think nothing of taking the birth control pill. Same with abortion. Even some years back, eating meat on Friday was against the rules.
Maybe the church he attends has other attributes that attract him and his family and his pastor isn't always the way he's being depicted.
Get real people!

[Beacool]

31. The good old reverend has been Obama's spiritual adviser for 20 years

and even married him. So, try another one........

[anamandujano]

48. Exactly, check out my post #44.

I never sat by while people said racist things without challenging them.

[wileedog]

75. So ergo you are declaring Obama a racist?

[durrrty libby]

17. Isn't the IRS investigating that church for preaching politics?

I "Hope" they get an amazing fine

[mrreowwr_kittty]

I "Hope" that you are just as forceful in demanding that white fundie churches get investigated too.

[rucky]

22. Jinx!

Pinch, poke, you owe me a Coke.

[durrrty libby]

42. All the asshole frauds preaching their nasty bigotry and politics

behind a pulpit need to lose their tax exception asap.Wright is in the same category as the

the conservative pigs.

[rucky]

20. I hope you hope all the conservative churches get one, as well.

But they don't seem to be under investigation.

[Irishonly]

50. It upsets me

It does seem as if conservative churches have gotten breaks. I read somewhere there are currently 44 churches that either have been investigated or are under investigation. The church where I attend houses our council of churches, works with other churches in the area to coordinate hot meals, homeless shelters and a food bank. Any time a church crosses the line it upsets me. Donations are down and if any of the churches or the council itself lost tax exempt I don't know if we could keep everything going or not.

[NMMNG]

109. You would be wrong about that

First Southern Baptist Church (CA)got hit earlier this year with an IRS investigation because the pastor endorsed Mike Huckabee. They turned around and called for their members to pray for the deaths of the members of Americans United, who had asked the IRS to investigate them.

Americans United works to get many RW churches investigated, though they also work to get LW churches investigated as well if they're in violation of the law. Fair is fair.

[Irishonly]

28. It's not clear

The sermon is question is from Christmas.

UCC may be investigated because of a speech Obama gave last summer during their convention and for the life of me I can't figure why. I sure didn't see it as a political speech.

Read the IRS letter to the UCC. http://www.ucc.org/news/pdf/lettrirs.pdf

Watch Obama's June 23, 2007, address to General Synod. http://www.ucc.org/synod/video-archive.html

Read the text of Obama's speech.

http://www.ucc.org/news/significant-speeches/a-politics ...

http://www.wfn.org/2008/02/msg00183.html


Investigation of the IRS go with which party is in power. During the 2000 election churches were investigated for stumping for Bush. The last seven years have seen a blind eye to political speeches in churches unless it is so blatant they can't ignore it.


Obama Pastors' Sermons
May Violate Tax Laws
Famous Parishioner
Disavows Himself
From Partisan Tilt

On Christmas morning, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. compared presidential candidate Barack Obama's impoverished childhood to Jesus Christ's. "Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," he then trumpeted. "Hillary can never know that."


Current Investigations

The IRS won't disclose how many congregations it is currently investigating. Last July, the agency reported that it was reviewing complaints involving 44 churches and 56 other nonprofits related to the 2006 election cycle and had, at that point, found 26 cases of improper political activity. The agency examined 110 cases during the 2004 elections, issuing 69 advisories, akin to warning letters, and revoked the tax-exempt status of five nonprofits, none of them churches.

Revoked Status

Since Congress amended the tax law in 1954 to restrict campaign activity by nonprofits, only two churches have had their tax-exemptions revoked, according to the IRS. The most recent case involved Branch Ministries Inc., which ran a church in Binghamton, N.Y., and placed full-page ads in two newspapers in 1992 urging Christians not to vote for then-candidate Bill Clinton. The IRS decision was upheld on appeal.

Losing tax-exempt status would be a serious blow to any church. It likely would be subject to income taxes and not be able to solicit tax-deductible contributions. Any IRS investigation -- even if it doesn't lead to any action -- can embroil a church in months, sometimes years, of costly legal battles.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120511457633523621.html

[David__77]

33. Chuches are allowed to "preach politics" so long as they don't explicitly endorse.

If he said "vote for Obama," that would be a violation of the tax exempt status. But I've seen nothing like that here. Pastors do, however, effectively support candidates EVERY election cycle. Kerry got support from pastors last time too.

[KoKo]

117. I've never had a minister in my church or ones I've attended urge support for a candidate...

And, I've moved around a lot...attended, Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterian churches all over the East Coast. Maybe this is something new? I hear the RW Evangelical Churches in the South put out flyers for candidates but I think that is wrong and they should lose their tax exempt status for that. :shrug:

[David__77]

131. There's a difference.

Like I said, explicitly endorsing candidates is a no-no, but Wright never did that. I personally think the laws should be stricter with churches, but the current law is the law.

[housewolf]

24. Clinton campaign's conscious strategy to inject Obama's race into the campaign now

"... the simple fact is that we wouldn't be seeing this stuff now if it weren't for the fact that this is the kind of campaign Hillary Clinton's campaign has decided to wage -- often directly and at other times indirectly by not reining it in in her supporters when it crops up on its own. Wright is news today because Ferraro's been news yesterday. Are her comments racist? That's a loaded, too copious, word. And there've been cases where the Clinton team has gotten a bum rap on these matters. What I do know, however, is that Clinton's campaign and her surrogates have injected the subject of Obama's race into this campaign too many times now for it to be credible to believe that it is anything but a conscious strategy.
...
It is insufficient to say that Republicans will do this in the fall so there's nothing to be lost in hearing it now from Democrats. Because by doing this now, as a Democratic campaign, they are mainstreaming the message. If Obama is the nominee, when this emerges again, no doubt in a harsher, more rancid incarnation, it will come pre-approved by dint of a Democratic campaign's imprimatur."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/183228.php

[David__77]

26. Let's break it down... It's NOT racist at all.

"...Jesus was a poor black man who lived in a culture that was controlled by rich, white people. The Romans were rich, the Romans were Italian, which means they were European, which means they were white, and the Romans ran everything in Jesus’s country."


TRUE! The white Romans ruled over the oppressed people of color, including Jews and other nationalities. This colonialism leads right into the current world order. It's a fact - people of color were enslaved and subjugated for thousands of years.


"It just came to me within the past few week...why so many folk are hating on Barack Obama. He doesn’t fit the mold: he ain’t white, he ain’t rich, and he ain’t privileged."

Obama IS a target because of his skin color. Again, a fact. He doesn't fit the elite power mold.

"Hillary fits the mold. Europeans fit the mold. Giuliani fits the mold. Rich, white men fit the mold."

Clinton is a woman, but she was the First Lady, and achieved a proximity to total power in that role. However, women face sex oppression, and I would not phrase this the way Wright did, but this is not racist, though perhaps insensitive to patriarchy.

"Hillary never had a cab whiz by her and not pick her up because her skin was the wrong colour. Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over as a black man driving in the wrong."

True. She is a white person who has not faced racism. Nothing racist in saying so.

"Now I am sick of Negroes who just do not get it. Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home. Barack was. Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain’t never been called a n----r. Hillary has never been had a people (?not sure?) defined as non-present (?not sure?).
Hillary ain’t had to work twice as hard to get accepted by the rich, white folk who run everything or to get a passing grade (when) you know you are smarter than that C student sitting in the White House."

He's simply exhorting Black people to see that Obama understands racism because he is of African descent. He's troubled because it does appear that Clinton is, at a minimum, insensitive to the implications of racism with her refusal to reject Ferraro, for instance.

"Oh, I am so glad I got a God who knows what it is to be a poor black man in a country and a culture that is controlled and run by rich, white people. He taught me, Jesus did, how to love my enemies. Jesus taught me how to love the hell out of my enemies and not to be reduced to their level of hatred, bigotry, and small-mindedness. Hillary ain’t never had her own people say she wasn’t white enough. Jesus had his own people siding with the enemy. That’s why I love Jesus, y’all. He never let their hatred dampen his hope. There is a name I love to hear. (?not sure?) I love to sing his words. Sounds like…' (video cut off)."

Racists are the enemy. Wright urged his audience to love their enemies despite it all. He pointed out that the country is controlled by a white power elite. Do you deny this? What on earth is racist about any of this???

[ContinentalOp]

29. Apparently he's opposed to rich white people controlling everything

therefore he must be a racist. Why can't he just let rich white men exercise the power that is their god given right? :eyes:

[boppers]

90. ty, David_77 for breaking it down.

People who aren't racists have nothing to be upset about when they read this speech.

Apparently, there are some folks on DU waking up to their own prejudices.

[David__77]

130. This is a test, actually. The "anti-racist test." Who will capitulate to white chauvinism?

I like these political moments. They really put people to the test. This is the "anti-racist test." To me, much more important than the Clinton-concocted "commander-in-chief test."

How many on DU can pass the anti-racist test?

[Beacool]

27. No, they won't have a problem with it.

Don't you know their playbook by now? Hillary, Bill, Cuomo, Young, Johnson, Ferraro and anybody else who says anything against the Anointed One is a blatant racist. The fact that they are all fellow Democrats doesn't matter a damn bit.

Everybody on their side who race baits and plays the race card is invisible to them.

Ahhhhhhh, ain't politics grand?

:eyes:

[Not the Only One]

34. It's not racist, just run-of-the-mill idiocy that can be found in pulpits across the USA

You will hear some of the most idiotic things you have ever heard in church pulpits across the country. The stupid things Wright says are just one example. There's a ton of prejudice in churches.

I always thought it was odd that Obama's mom Stanley Ann was such a strong advocate for atheism, being able to speak intelligently about why she believes that way in a Dawkins/Hitchens sort of way, but that Obama didn't seem to respond to any of it. I wished someone would ask him about it, just to satisfy my curiosity. I'd love it if Obama were an atheist, too. Religious people do so many stupid things and defend their actions because they claim God supports it, but, of course, God can't defend himself from those charges.

[Straight Shooter]

35. I think Jeremiah Wright influenced Michelle's thinking more than Obama's.

I think Michelle's experiences would resonate with Wright's rhetoric of lashing out, moreso than Obama's would. I'm basing my opinion on what I can glean from his upbringing and apparently his popularity as a youth.

Can anyone shed some light on what kind of discrimination Obama would have experienced growing up in Hawaii, such that he would be sympathetic to Wright's views? I honestly do not know the ratio of people of color to whites and whether he would have been subjected to the same overt and covert discrimination that perhaps Michelle was.

[Seabiscuit]

36. I bet the Republicans will be jumping all over this and

I'm sure they'll dig up all kinds of things on Rev. Wright by the end of the election and make Barack look guilty by association. The republicans will make Barack Obama look like Malcom X and Rev. Wrights congregation look like the Black Panthers. I don't know how Barack will be able to distance himself or cut off ties with Rev. Wright but this isn't good news for the GE. Obama must deal with this now!

[dbonds]

38. That isn't racists, it is against racism.

[elixir]

49. Wow, Saracat. This stuff is awful. I didn't realize how crazy and dangerous this guy is.

For the democratic party's sake, Barack should get rid of him. This will be a huge issue in GE.

[uponit7771]

89. He's not on Obamas campaign and not even his pastor!!!

[saracat]

94. Funny. Obama says he is his pastor.

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Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11
Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric'
Barack Obama, Rev. Jeremiah Wright
By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI
March 13, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."
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Is Obama's Pastor a Liability?

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

Copyright © 2008 ABCNews Internet Ventures

[loveangelc]

58. As an Obama supporter, I have a problem with it.

[scheming daemons]

60. And so does Obama..... so relax.....

....

[saracat]

96. No , he doesn't to quote "He doesn't think it is especially controversial".

"In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial."

ABC News march 13,2008

[GoldieAZ49]

149. So do I

and a nauseous feeling about the whole thing

[bling bling]

63. Show me where Obama said something inflammatory and then post about it.

Until then, you got nothin'.

What has Clinton done lately to disprove she's not in bed with middle-east corporations. Seems like I heard there might be some seriously eyebrow-raising info on her tax returns, further proving that the Clinton's and the Bushes are part of the same Good-ol boy network. You've liked the last 7 years, eh? Well you may be in luck if Hillary can claw her way to the nomination and then McCain wins. Mmmmmmmmm....more of the same please!!

[leftynyc]

95. FORGET HILLARY

It's time to think ahead to the general and how this shit is going to play with independents. And if you don't think guilt by association works, perhaps you can explain the 100 threads on Ferraro's asshole comments. This is the man Sen Obama has called his spiritual advisor. Now, work from there.

[bling bling]

99. OK, here you go:

So you're saying everyone who goes to church must have the same viewpoints on non-religious issues as their Pastor? Niiiiice. Where's your patriotism? America has this thing called a constitution. Anybody who loves America knows from a young age that we have freedom of speech. Why do you want to take away that right? Are you scared? Well, that just proves that your side is too wimpy to handle managing the country because I have news for you, this is a country with lot's of different people and lot's of different viewpoints.

In other news, McCain wants to keep troops in Iraq and is very seriously prone to starting war with Iran. He's been accused of being a hothead and I have heard people at the Pentagon quoted as saying that McCain's temper and anger management issues would make them concerned about him having access to the red button. I'm dead serious about this.

Now we can talk about Pastergate or we can talk about serious shit that involves your kids and my kids and the real world we all live in.

[leftynyc]

101. My side??

What the fuck are you talking about? I've never voted anything but democratic my whole life so you can stuff your insinuation.

Good luck getting the stupid press to actually speak of the issues - you know, the same press that wrote 1000 stories about John Edward's haircut. It doesn't matter what YOU want to discuss. The issue on the table is how the independents are going to react to this preacher. So get your head out of the sand and think like an adult.

[bling bling]

105. Uhh....

that was a hypethetical conversation with the GOP. You were the one who said, forget Hillary, what about the GE? So I said, OK, here you go.

Sorry I responded. It was obviously a waste of both of our time.

[leftynyc]

108. I toally misunderstood your post

and apologize. My fear is by the time the pubs get through with this pastor being linked to Sen Obama, they're going to have everyone believing Sen Obama is a black panther who is looking to overthrow the government. Their side never plays fair and if they were able to turn Sen Kerry into a traitor, this will be a piece of cake for them. And it doesn't even have to come from the McCain campaign - the swiftboat guys didn't come from a campaign - but that's what sunk Sen Kerry and it was lies from start to finish. Here they have the pastor on tape and Sen Obama trying to compare his spiritual advisor to a funny uncle.

[bling bling]

112. No need.

I didn't make it clear. There's no point in trying to communicate a point if it doesn't resonate and I didn't do a good job communicating it.

The bottom line I'm trying to make is that I think we can all think of ways to overcome Pastergate when the republicans try to use it to smear Obama. This is a very easy thing to do by saying, "yeah, AND?" and changing the conversation back to McCain and stuff that really IS pretty scary, like his anger management problem scares the heck out of me and I think most people don't even know about it.

[leftynyc]

115. What pisses me off is

that that Hagee guy that McCain hangs out with would have been the perfect foil to use against McCain. Now we can't use that. We can't use our experiences (when I say our, I mean liberals) to say how this is going to play. I never, in a million years, would have thought people would believe that John Kerry was not a hero and one fantasically untrue ad was able to accomplish just that. This is going to scare the very independents that are needed on our side.

[saracat]

97. Here you go, in regard to Wright :

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial."

[bling bling]

100. So the fuck what Saracat??? Seriously. So the fuck what?

Spell it out for me because I don't understand exactly what your problem is here. Are you skeeered of a Paster?

Have you noticed how buddy buddy Clinton is to McCain? Does that not "concern" you too? Remember McCain? He's the guy singing "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran!" He's the guy who's associates admit that he has a concerning anger management problem. He's the guy who's associates say they actually can't believe how quickly and severely McCain can lose his temper and it would concern them to have THIS guy in the White House with access to the button.

Hmmmmm.....your "concern" really "concerns" me. I have kids, though. You obviously don't have anything better to worry about than playing along with Rove and his "concern" games to keep people on the defense.

Fuck that. How about you Defend McCain, he's obviously your choice over Obama. Defend him and convince me he's not going to take this country into another war in the middle east. Because that's scary, for real.

[zulchzulu]

67. That's it! Obama should drop out because of his pastor at a church

Oh wait!

It looks like Media Matters has exposed the same nonsense here that Hannity was exposed for using:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200706280002?f=i_related

:boring:

[treestar]

73. Hillary did have to work twice as hard

Or maybe ten times as hard, she's a woman.

But so what. Merely because Sen. Obama heard this does not mean he adopts it.

[GodlessBiker]

76. Should we refuse to vote for Catholics because of the insane things the Pope says?

[uponit7771]

111. RIGHT!!!

[JVS]

163. As long as you still vote for methodists, hillbots should be happy.

[Lex Talionis]

81. "Jesus was a poor black man..."

Yea, right. I saw a picture of him yesterday. He's white with blue eyes. (do I need the sarcasm thing?) Desperate times call for desperate measures, I suppose. I notice this is getting a lot of play on other sites as well. MSM will run with it soon for all its worth. Y'all did hear about the Governor who was paying $5,000 an hour for a hooker? Now that's news.

[uponit7771]

86. That must've been so good "hookin"...I'm male, I'm thinking of a career change :-)

[CreekDog]

85. Guilt by association

No matter where you go or who you associate with, you can only be as good as their worst moment.

:eyes:

[NMMNG]

98. It's sick as hell

I can't believe people here are defending his hateful, bigoted ranting.

[uponit7771]

106. What did Wright say that in that sermon that wasn't true!?!?!?!? Thank you in advance

[NMMNG]

113. Obama was raised in a single parent home?

Not.

Obama "ain't" rich and privileged? Since when?


And why does the demonization of white people, Italians and Europeans as a whole not bother anybody here? Broad brush much? If any white preacher was making such a generalized claim about black people the shit would be hitting the fan like nobody's business.:wtf:

[GoldieAZ49]

151. And if a white preacher was telling his congregation

to sing the nation anthem this way because of black people in this country there would be riots

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=4443788&page=1

The more it is defended the sicker it makes me

[NMMNG]

153. I *am* sick

I'm disgusted as anybody by the way minorities are treated in America but that sort of demonizing screed is simply unacceptable.

There are plenty of homophobic people in the nation (and the world), but I would never engage in or endorse an anti-straight rant along the lines of the one Wright went on.

[LibraLiz1973]

102. I could never listen to someone who was supposed to be smart use the word AINT

as many times as this idiot did.

[GodlessBiker]

116. Ain't that a swell way to get off to a lousy start.

[Beregond2]

104. Racist?

OK...this is the fourth time I have read this, and I've watched it twice, and I have yet to see a racist word in it. He is addressing the racism Obama is confronting in his campaign. He is drawing a parallel with the oppresion of ancient Jews under Roman domination. He is making the point that it is very difficult for a white person to understand the black experience in this country. How is any of that racist?

What IS racist is the attempt to spin this into an issue for Obama.

[uponit7771]

110. They're both black so for racist it's an easy association. Next Obama will have to apologize for the

...black pizza boy who got a speeding ticket

[EFerrari]

119. David Duke would be proud of this OP.

[amborin]

107. "whose" church

[EFerrari]

118. Supporting your own community isn't racism. Loving your people isn't racism.

Pointing out the crap black people go through in this country isn't racism.

Another appallingly awful insensitive, opportunistic OP.

[NMMNG]

122. Um

Supporting your own community isn't racism. Loving your people isn't racism.

If that's the case, every White Supremacist group is not engaging in racism, they're merely supporting their own community and loving their own people.

Racism is racism no matter who is engaging in it. Demonizing all White/European people and Italian people is racism. Why don't people get that?

[Political Heretic]

125. Because that's not what he did.

[David__77]

128. ALL white people aren't being demonized.

Who do you claim is doing that? Not Wright. He's damning racist white power. There are plenty of anti-racist whites - true, not enough though. Racism permeates every segment of American society. Its pores are oozing racism. The progressive community is infected with racism as well. The LGBT community is affected by it. The women's liberation and reproductive choice movements - affected. The core of racism is perpetuated by those in power. Those in power are white people, principally white men. That does not mean that every white man is the enemy and no one said so.

[NMMNG]

132. Where did he specify?

I didn't hear him specify "racist" whites. It was a screed insinuating all blacks are poor and oppressed and most, if not all, whites are rich oppressors. Hillary never, blah blah blah.... Well guess what, neither did Obama. He was as privileged all his life as she was so that nonsense about him being so downtrodden doesn't fly except in fantasy land. Wright is spewing racist hate rhetoric to inflame people and it's obviously working.

[David__77]

134. Specified here: "the rich, white folk who run everything."

He didn't say "white folk." He said "the rich, white folk who run everything." Not the middle class, not the poor white people. I think it's pretty clear. It's no more bigoted than were I as a gay man to complain about "rich, straight people who run everything." Clearly, I would be talking about the power elite who are doing things detrimental to my interests. Can you relate or see this?

[NMMNG]

140. Right

And there are no rich folk running things who are anything but white. :eyes:

The man is only feeding the nonsense that blacks are nothing but victims (and therefore whites are nothing but hateful oppressors) schtick with his lie that Obama was raised by a single mother and insistence that he, unlike Hillary, was never privileged. Racism and oppression exist and are a serious issue, but for crying out loud the notion that there's no chance for non-whites in America is utter bullshit and this man is doing nothing but fueling hatred towards white people.

[David__77]

143. OK, you've made your position clear.

You echo those who complained of the "incitement of resentment" in Black people through the civil rights struggle. America OWES amends and reparations to Black people for the disenfranchisement, slavery and oppression that mark the country's history. You're perfectly clear on this.

[EFerrari]

129. No. Sorry, Buffy, but no.

Read the thing over again and consider the context.

[NMMNG]

133. The context?

It's OK to spew hatred as long as it's against white people, and lie as long as non-white people benefit?


Sorry, I don't buy it.

[EFerrari]

135. Where is this hatred you are reading?

I don't read it. The man is pointing out the obvious.

[NMMNG]

141. I guess you'd have to be white, Italian or European to understand.

But then I don't see how "urban"="racist" so maybe I'm just clueless.

[EFerrari]

142. No, serously, can you point to the words?

Because I don't see it.

This isn't a "gotcha" -- I just actually don't know where the problem is.

I can pass for white, Italian AND European, lol, but obviously relate to my family members who don't or can't.

What he said was hard, blunt but, as far as I can tell, it was also true. :shrug:

[NMMNG]

150. Oy vey

Who cares about what I’m going through? Who cares about what poor people have to put up with? Who cares about what a poor black man has to face every day in a country and a culture controlled by rich white people?

Somebody missed that — you got nervous, because we got some white members here.

Right there he admits he's aware his remarks are anti-white, because why else would people be nervous because "some white members" were there?

The Romans were rich, the Romans were Italian — which means they were European, which means they were white

They were European, which means they were white. I guess that means they were bad. BTW, do you know that when Italian people came here decades ago they were actually considered "Brown people"? They weren't considered white enough for the "really white" people, and were treated accordingly. But according to Wright they're white people and therefore shit. Furthermore Jesus' problem was not with the Romans, it was with the Jews (they were, after all, the ones who despised him and turned him over to the Romans for crucifixion). Therefore ranting against the "white Romans" is bull on its face.

It just came to me with— with— with— within the past few weeks, y’all, why so many folks are hatin’ on Barack Obama. He doesn’t fit the mold. He ain’t white. He ain’t rich. And he ain’t privileged.

Right. Obama is as white as he is black (though he hypes his blackness to the hilt and essentially ignores his whiteness). He's much richer and privileged than many people, though he and his surrogates try to pass him off as a struggling product of a single mother in an attempt to allow him to "bond with the common folk".

Hillary fits the mold. Europeans fit the mold. Giuliani fits the mold. Rich white men fit the mold.

What a broad-brush statement. Since when are all Europeans rich and white? But I guess to Wright they are, and therefore the enemy BTW, Obama "fits the mold" too. He's not poor or disadvantaged and only fools buy that story.

Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single-parent home. Barack was!

Neither was Obama. That "raised by a single mother" thing is a lie.

Hillary ain’t never been called a n*****! Hillary has never had her people defined as non-persons!

And what of the countless sexist terms Hillary has been called? Women have been treated as property and abused, but that's for a different thread.

He taught me, Jesus did, how to love my enemies. Jesus taught me how to love the hell outta my enemies! And not be reduced to their level of hatred, bigotry, and smallmindedness.

So white people are his enemies? Wow.

[EFerrari]

154. There's no good way to do this and you won't like it.

Who cares about what I’m going through? Who cares about what poor people have to put up with? Who cares about what a poor black man has to face every day in a country and a culture controlled by rich white people?

Somebody missed that — you got nervous, because we got some white members here.


Right there he admits he's aware his remarks are anti-white, because why else would people be nervous because "some white members" were there?

(Because it's uncomfortable to be white and know the history.)

The Romans were rich, the Romans were Italian — which means they were European, which means they were white



They were European, which means they were white. I guess that means they were bad. BTW, do you know that when Italian people came here decades ago they were actually considered "Brown people"? They weren't considered white enough for the "really white" people, and were treated accordingly. But according to Wright they're white people and therefore shit. Furthermore Jesus' problem was not with the Romans, it was with the Jews (they were, after all, the ones who despised him and turned him over to the Romans for crucifixion). Therefore ranting against the "white Romans" is bull on its face.

(You are putting words in his mouth. He never said anyone was shit. Yes, Italians faced horrible bigotry here. And it's not bull to condemn the Romans for collaboring with a politically convenient prosecution. So, no, ranting against the Romans is not bull on its face.)


It just came to me with— with— with— within the past few weeks, y’all, why so many folks are hatin’ on Barack Obama. He doesn’t fit the mold. He ain’t white. He ain’t rich. And he ain’t privileged.



Right. Obama is as white as he is black (though he hypes his blackness to the hilt and essentially ignores his whiteness). He's much richer and privileged than many people, though he and his surrogates try to pass him off as a struggling product of a single mother in an attempt to allow him to "bond with the common folk".

(Not according to the one drop rule.)


Hillary fits the mold. Europeans fit the mold. Giuliani fits the mold. Rich white men fit the mold.



What a broad-brush statement. Since when are all Europeans rich and white? But I guess to Wright they are, and therefore the enemy BTW, Obama "fits the mold" too. He's not poor or disadvantaged and only fools buy that story.

(He didn't say all Europeans are rich and white.)



Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single-parent home. Barack was!




Neither was Obama. That "raised by a single mother" thing is a lie.

(This is reaching in the extreme.)


Hillary ain’t never been called a n*****! Hillary has never had her people defined as non-persons!


And what of the countless sexist terms Hillary has been called? Women have been treated as property and abused, but that's for a different thread.

(And has nothing to do with this one.)


He taught me, Jesus did, how to love my enemies. Jesus taught me how to love the hell outta my enemies! And not be reduced to their level of hatred, bigotry, and smallmindedness.


So white people are his enemies? Wow.

(That's your misconstruction. I'm sorry. It's not there. The point of his speech is to work against oppression. You've made it about all white people, he didn't.)

[NMMNG]

155. Who the hell uses the "one drop rule" anymore?

And if they do then my SO is just as black as Barack Obama though no doubt Wright would consider her white for his purposes.


And if I made this about all white people I'm not alone. But then people have been making every goddamn thing HRC says and does about black people (how the hell is "urban" a code word for black for crying out loud????) so what goes around comes around.


Basically what this is is more of the same Obama and his surrogates can do no wrong no matter what the hell they do. His supporters will defend him to the end. Fine. Let him deal with the RWers when the time comes because they are not going to listen to pathetic defenses by True Believers.

[EFerrari]

157. The one drop rule is alive and well in the sewers of America.

This is going to be a hard year.

[Political Heretic]

124. I agree with every single word of the transcript you posted.

:shrug:

[Emit]

127. Yes,

according to Rush Limbaugh. n/t

[Whisp]

139. listen to racist rhetoric for 20 years. ??

sorry, it is IMPOSSIBLE for blacks to be rascist toward whites in the same way reversed. You'd need a time machine and historical surgical knives.

just as it is IMPOSSIBLE for women to be sexist toward men in the same way the system has been toward women.

There's this thing called history and example.

[saracat]

152. Wow! that is warped. So if I really treat men badly it isn't "sexist" ?

I can discriminate against them in favor of women, and it isn't sexist? I can disciminate against whites in any manner that I want and it will never be racist.Wow!

[Whisp]

156. you as an individual would be very sexist

for treating men badly based on their gender alone.

but heres the difference is (and what I meant by my post above) - these men you may pick on will never feel the historic weight of some vast matriarchal influence which allows him less money for same work and be treated as second class citizens and be defined by their sexual functions in a denegrating way. etc., just because YOU are a sexist.

I am speaking about the historic economic and religious system being sexist, and racist against women and black and so many others. gnerally, the white male seems to wield the power so i find it almost laughable that blacks can be 'racist' against whites in the same sense.

Another word will have to invented because the true meaning of racist is already taken.

[noel711]

147. So...

Like you've never despaired our country?
You've never wanted to slap someone
upside the head because they just don't get it?
Never been frustrated with prejudice and racism?

Of course this is provocative!
Real preaching should be!
Of course he's pushing the envelope!
That's how you get people engaged!

The real question here is:
Never worshiped in an African-American church?
That's how many Black preachers do it....

Not preaching hatred, but taking a different
pespective.... to put you in another's place.

Like it or not, he has a point.
And if you see it as racist,
think about yourself.

[jackson_dem]

164. Wright says "white America" is to blame for 9/11 and Obamites can't see how that is racist

Let alone a big general election liability...

[bhikkhu]

172. Wright is not running, and Obama's message is entirely different

[jackson_dem]

165. What happened to "unity" and "transcending race"?

This thread is hilarious. So much for "unity" and a "post-racial" politics. More proof of Obama being a fraud...

[meow mix]

166. the outrage!! lol

:rofl:

[anonymous171]

169. Was he on radio shows and television stations saying all these things?

Is he an official voice of the Obama campaign?