So now Keith is the bad guy?

[Pawel K]

Ok, first Kennedy was irrelevent to all the Hillary supporters. Then according to these ame people the huffington post was filled with a bunch of liberals bent on destroying this party. Now there are some people here that actually are saying democratic underground is crap because most members here seem to support Obama. All that I could not understand but I can not believe these same people are now smearing Keith Olbermann, the only true liberal with a voice on the major networks. Are you people out of your fucking mind? If you are willing to destroy this party for Hillary why don't you just come right out and fucking say it? Hillary already said McCain would be a better president than Obama so I really don't understand why this shocks me but I am so fucking disgusted with you joe lieberman types that never learn a fucking thing, I am now finally convinced you have no shame in destroying this entire party if Hillary doesn't win.

[LakeSamish706]

1. Great post, you hit the nail squarely on the head... n/t

[feedingfrenzy]

50. He has been the Bad Guy since he started lying

a few months back.

[papau]

2. Keith has shown his bias against women in general and Hillary in particular - deal with it

[Divine Discontent]

5. Keith shows horrible bias

against George W Bush and Karl Rove... I'm sick of it!


It sounds like anyone that decries the nefarious moves of the Hill Campaign is attacked as being anti-woman, which is laughable. Never mind the shitty direct racist attacks that fall out of their mouths like dung - "he's only where he's at because he's black!"

[C_U_L8R]

6. criticism = sexism

what a phony baloney argument ....or more correctly, excuse.

[amborin]

32. criticism === racism

[TheWraith]

46. Except that NOBODY has EVER made that argument.

The only things that have been called racist--and not even by the Obama campaign, which has never made such a suggestion--is cases of racist or racially charged commentary like Geraldine Ferraro's rants against Obama as an Affirmative Action candidate.

The only ones using accusations of bias to stifle criticism are the Clinton campaign.

[peaches2003]

7. You are not biased against women if

you do not support Hillary! I have been a feminist since before many of you were born, so don't tell me I don't support women in government, business or anywhere else. BUT....we have progressed way beyond the point where women have to support any and every woman for any and every position, including supporting Hillary for President JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN! Women will only have reached equality with men when the selection for all positions is gender neutral.

[Divine Discontent]

9. right on! eom

[mimitabby]

23. Bravo, Peaches!

" I have been a feminist since before many of you were born, so don't tell me I don't support women in government, business or anywhere else. BUT....we have progressed way beyond the point where women have to support any and every woman for any and every position, including supporting Hillary for President JUST BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMAN! Women will only have reached equality with men when the selection for all positions is gender neutral."


I couldn't have said it better.

[Why Syzygy]

45. Me too. I was never anything other than

a feminist. But I've never been a femi-nazi. I never even believed in that term.
Until now. Now that we see the tactics. Now that I've been felt the brunt of their personal cruelty.
Now I believe there is such a thing.

[MadHound]

8. Links, transcripts, quotes, evidence?

On matters like this, I'm not willing to take the unsourced word of a known partisan.

[napi21]

13. Did you REALLY listen to his rant? He wasn't slamming Hillary,

he was telling her she's getting ROTTEN advice from her advisors! I agree with him! I think Hillary would make a great Prez, but the people who are telling her what to do on the stump are just WRONG and they're hurting her campaign!

I'm right there slamming Tweety and the rest of the talking heads for what I see as not only bias but close to Clinton haterd in a lot of what they say, but Keith didn't do that! I don't understand your problem with Keith uness you didn't really listen!

[papau]

28. he implied her campaign had something to do with her supporters comments - but gives O a pass

[Pawel K]

36. No, he said Hillary should have distanced herself from those comments by getting rid of her

and getting rid of her instantly like Obama did, not wait around for her to resign on her own.

Stop lying.

[ScottS]

20. How delusional can you be? Kieth is great!

[Hugabear]

30. He's also shown bias against men - deal with it

So now criticizing a woman is sexist?

Huh.

[Pawel K]

37. Thank you papau for proving my point, I appreciate it.

[Norwood]

38. Oh would you please be kind enough to give us some proof of his sexism

Post your proof here too, we've been dying for someone to actually give us some evidence.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5044401

I know you wouldn't accuse someone of such a thing without some kind of evidence right? That would be a move straight out of the Republican play book :)

[superkia]

39. This was a quote a pulled from someone talking about Irans...

president and I thought it might help you think about what you said and what KO said.


"I know I'm a Jewish lesbian and he'd probably have me killed. But still, the guy speaks some blunt truths about the Bush Administration that make me swoon..."


Sometimes bad people actually speak the truth, not everything someone you don't like says is wrong. I didn't see the commentary until today and I didn't see anything sexist about it. I just thought of some of the nasty tactics that the Clintons have used in their kitchen sink campaign and how she smiled and said she looked forward to this part of the game.

Maybe its just because Obama wasn't my desired first choice and I can think without some preconceived bias.


Unless you support Clinton our hate Obama, I really missed why you made your comment. Does your perception of KO being biased against women make the substance untrue? Or...could you go into what he lied about because he is biased against women?

[Hieronymus]

42. By all means, give details of how Keith has shown a bias against women.

[DJ13]

3. Right on the mark

:thumbsup:

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[buff2]

10. Did you know that his "commentaries" always end up

on YOU TUBE for Millions to see?I thought he was on OUR side.....he should keep on the subject of BUSH and what he continues to do to our country.......he should NOT bash Hillary OR Obama. But since he has shown his bias,we don't have to worry about Obama,do we? Nice work,Keith....you have just handed the rightwingnutjobs another free ad about how our party is so divided. Geesus....:eyes:

[Voltaire]

27. Are Democratic Party divisions a secret??

who gives a DAMN what the GOP says or thinks??

[verges]

48. So if a pundit

gives the Repubs a talking point or two it's bad. But if one of the candidates does this by putting the Repub above their Dem opposition, it's alright? Is that what your saying?

[northzax]

11. you know, it's odd

I don't hear anything from the Hillary camp about 'destroying the party' I only hear this from the Obama people and from other people of, frankly, dubious connection to the 'party' in the first place. odd, ain't it?

Olbermann's rant was ridiculous, just as many are. I hope that Obama supporters are ready for him to turn the heat on President Obama when he doesn't pull the troops out of Iraq in the first month as promised. I trust I will come back here and see the same people still talking about how great Keith is?

[Texas Hill Country]

15. Keith did that comment for ratings. Period.

[verges]

49. Y'know, your right.

It is odd. Could it be that Hillary and company are the only ones that can't see that they are the problem?

[Captain Hilts]

12. I liked him when he was a skeptic. But not as an advocate. nt

[SeaLyons]

14. Please check out

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27216

please read and try and learn a "fucking thing"...

[bunnies]

16. Could you link to a bigger Hill Shill?

No you cant. Because there isnt one. :eyes:

[SeaLyons]

24. Hill Schill - Obamaland

what's the difference......Her article was right on.

[americanstranger]

18. Taylor Marsh = HACK.

Sorry. She's so biased she creeps me out.

Besides, wasn't she against Hillary before she was for her? Anyone who would compromise their principles that easily can't be taken seriously.

And you think KO is biased? Wow.

- as

[SeaLyons]

25. duh....

yes, I think KO is biased and so do you.

[americanstranger]

26. I do? Huh.

I thought he was pretty much doing what he always did - seeing a bad situation and commenting on it.

Marsh? She must be getting a nice paycheck from Hillary '08, because it wasn't that long ago she was deriding Clinton as a 'Queen Bee' who wouldn't give sufficient access to liberal media. The only thing that could possibly swing her so hard around is that she's getting something back from the Clinton campaign.

- as

[grantcart]

17. Ultimately this is a party for exactly two people and then the rest of the party

[Texas Hill Country]

19. Did anyone listen to Ferraro? She was talking about more about sexism not necessarily race.

did everyone skip over the part where she included women of any color??? why doesnt any attack that? Because race is the flashpoint and it gets ratings. That is why... and Keith's comments were for ratings. Period.

[Iceburg]

21. He's an excellent sports analyst --- he's out of his league in journalism.

In sports, hope, hyperbole, lies, name calling -- "cheering for one" are not only expected but rewarded. Journalism (quality journalism) demands the absence of ad hominem attacks, and a strong foundation of fact. Obermann's skills in the sports realm are barriers to success as a credible journalist. He should take his ball and go back to the park from whence he came.

[amborin]

33. exactly...and let's be clear: Olberman is NOT a journalist, just a tv hack

who moved up from being a radio announcer

these tv idiots are NOT journalists

someone like John Burns or many other brilliant journalists are

not some idiot TV show guy

though of course they label themselves as journalists but no one buys into those claims

[Life Long Dem]

22. Even the elderly on their death bed wouldn't be so cruel to leave Hillary to her grandchildren.

Or would she? Sort of like destroying the environment because you won't be here.

[irish.lambchop]

29. I'm sorry, I couldn't read your post because

I couldn't make myself look away from your avatar . . . :rofl: but I think I agree with you.

[amborin]

31. just like Paul Krugman is now the bad guy, to Obama supporters

only Paul Krugman is a world renowned brilliant leftist economist

while Olberman is just a guy who moved from radio announcer to tv blatherer

[Pawel K]

35. Where are the posts bashing Krugman?

show them to me.

Facts are a bitch, aren't they?

[krawhitham]

34. Anybody that speeks bad about HRC is a BAD guy

Thought you understood that

[Growler]

40. Agreed

[elixir]

41. Keith Olbermann has lost all objectivity towards the campaign at this time.

[elixir]

43. As pointed out earlier, it's ironic that KO takes Hillary to task for fueling the GOP when his

ridicule of her gives the GOP more ammunition. KO was way off course applying guilt by association to Hillary. Ferraro made some stupid race infused comments, Hillary is not responsible. It's as simple as that.

Many people have very high regard for Ferraro, I don't know her history well enough to make that judgement. I respect her efforts and regret that she made the statements.

[Pawel K]

44. You didnt listen to what Keith said, did you?

He never claimed Hillary was responsible for the original comments. His beef was with the fact she wasn't fired instantly, like Obama did when one of his campaign workers called Hillary a monster. But again, simple facts don't stop you guys from spewing your bullshit so I expect for you to keep bashing KO without ever actually listening to what he had to say. Enjoy your closed minded world, we'll all thank you when McCain is the next president and young people such as myself are sent off to Iran. Because at this point it would take a miracle for Hillary to win and as Huckabee knows miracles don't happen. And at this point Hillary has almost ensured that Obama will not be able to win against McCain.

[jconner27]

47. is funny coming from Obama supporters

When Paul Krugman came out against Obama and use you know facts to back it up, Obama followers went bat shit crazy calling him an opinion journalist

When Joe Wilson said Obama will fold once McCain raises his voice at him.. Obama nation threw him under the bus.

When Larry Johnson said Obama don't know the difference between CIA and the FBI you couldn't say anything.

Keith has admited he is not a jouralist and the three men I mention one is a respected journalist and the other two you can't aruge with.