TPM NAILS IT! Puts the current Rev. Wright controversy in to context: Its a manufactured controversy

[wndycty]

Tell It Like It Is

This morning Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright is in the news again. They did a segment on him on Good Morning America. And the main attention is to a video that has surfaced of a sermon Wright gave in January. Fox News got it and here you can see it on Ben Smith's blog at The Politico. It's racially charged and will certainly get a lot of play, though I'm not sure there's much in it that doesn't come out of the sermon tradition of African-American Christianity with a 60s twist. Last week, Obama, who has denounced various of Wright's statements, told a Jewish audience, Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with." Watch it yourself and make your own judgments. For myself, when watching something like this, it is often difficult to distinguish between what I actually find offensive myself and what it is ingrained in me to believe others will find offensive. Particulars aside, the political relevance is to show Wright as angry black man; and to tie him to Obama.

If Obama's the nominee, we will see no end of this kind of stuff. And there's probably some small benefit of getting a preview. But the simple fact is that we wouldn't be seeing this stuff now if it weren't for the fact that this is the kind of campaign Hillary Clinton's campaign has decided to wage -- often directly and at other times indirectly by not reining it in in her supporters when it crops up on its own. Wright is news today because Ferraro's been news yesterday. Are her comments racist? That's a loaded, too copious, word. And there've been cases where the Clinton team has gotten a bum rap on these matters. What I do know, however, is that Clinton's campaign and her surrogates have injected the subject of Obama's race into this campaign too many times now for it to be credible to believe that it is anything but a conscious strategy.
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It is insufficient to say that Republicans will do this in the fall so there's nothing to be lost in hearing it now from Democrats. Because by doing this now, as a Democratic campaign, they are mainstreaming the message. If Obama is the nominee, when this emerges again, no doubt in a harsher, more rancid incarnation, it will come pre-approved by dint of a Democratic campaign's imprimatur.
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[Zynx]

1. Of course it is, but that doesn't mean anything in politics.

[AX10]

2. Josh Marshall is openly for Obama.

His bias is clearly showing.
NEXT!

[Umbram]

3. AX10 is openly for Hillary. NEXT! (nt)

[jgraz]

15. Damn

:spray:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

79. people will see Hillary as a source of the noxious fumes

and will feel revulsion towards her and her minions.

[wndycty]

4. Just because he supports Obama does not discredit him

:kick:

[DURHAM D]

Josh is a total asshat - blames Clinton for Rev. Wright's mouth. jeez.

The children worry me - they can't put two and two together without screaming "conspiracy".

[housewolf]

55. I've seen nothing on TPM that indicates Josh Marshall

is either for or against EITHER candidate, and I read the site several times a day.

Look... friendly advice is attempting to be delivered to Hillary about her recent campaign tactics being unhelpful to the Democrats fall election. From what I've seen here, her supporters seem to be curiously resistant to any friendly advice, preferring to label it "bias".

[dchill]

71. It's just so maddening for HRC supporters...

when anyone in the media report the truth. Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Stephanie Miller, Ed Shultz, Josh Marshall, Markos Moulitsas, etc... All now relegated to their trash heap. Obama supporters? Sure, some of them, but all of them in it for truth against power. Add to their list ANY reporter who merely has the temerity to observe that something is wrong in the Clinton campaign - even thought something clearly IS wrong.

[saracat]

5. "Manufactured"? Obama has listened to this "hate speech for 20 years! This is the minister who

married him and baptized his children. He hasn't rejected anything he said. This is the basis of this church. He ties himself to Wright.He has listened to racism for 20 years!

[AX10]

6. All true.

[oviedodem]

11. Can you state for fact that he has these views for 20 years?? Secondly,

Have you come up with ideas in the last 5 years that were different than 20 years ago?

It is quite possible that early on Wright was never like this and this has surfaced in his later years.

[saracat]

13. There is research indicating that is the purpose of his church and his life. This isn't new.

[oviedodem]

22. Okay, now I ask: If we as democrats look down upon the influence of

religion in politics with regards to republicans (as some do), then why are we selectively singling out Obama on this when all across this county churches inject their political beliefs into their sermons and doctrine.

Furthermore, MOST Dems are for abortion and are Catholic/Christian. Last I checked both homosexuality and abortion are AGAINST the doctrine and beliefs of the Catholic church and are preached vehemently in sermons all across this country. Why then do we accept candidates who have heard those doctrines?

[Drachasor]

52. You are going to have to back up that view with said research or you are just making up crap

[Bake]

81. It. Doesn't. Matter.

Whether they were 20 years ago or yesterday.

"God Damn America." Pretty much says it all.

Bake

[scheming daemons]

24. And by extension, therefore all Catholic Democrats are REALLY pro-life since their church teaches it

[DURHAM D]

29. Didn't he get the title and theme for his book from a Wright sermon?

I have been trying to figure out for some time who ghost write Obama's book - Audacity of Whatever. Perhaps it was the church secretary.

[Ino]

80. Here you go

Obama's literary efforts, in contrast to Hillary's at least, are an open book. As a relatively unknown young lawyer with a smallish book advance, Obama obviously couldn't afford a ghostwriter for his 1995 memoir Dreams From My Father, so he wrote the book himself. But anyone familiar with the story of Raymond Carver and Gordon Lish knows that editors sometimes do more than just massage an author's prose--they can also rewrite it. So I called Henry Ferris, who was Obama's editor on Dreams, to ask him how many of the words in that book were Obama's. Ferris didn't have too many specific memories of the work he did with Obama more than a decade ago. "He and his book now are seen in such different ways than I was looking at them at that time," Ferris explained. "I didn't take on the project thinking he'd be a leading candidate for the presidency." But Ferris was absolutely adamant about one thing: "He wrote it completely and totally all by himself," Ferris said. "No one helped him." He added, "The manuscript needed shaping and focus, it needed editing, a lot of which he did based on suggestions I made. He was a terrific writer, a great stylist. ... This was not a job where I went in and had to completely redo this book for him. He needed the kind of guidance any first-time writer would need."

For his second book, the 2006 The Audacity of Hope, Obama got enough of an advance ($1.9 million for a three-book deal) and was certainly busy enough with his work in the Senate--not to mention laying the groundwork for his presidential campaign--that no one would have blamed him for going the ghostwriter route. But, according to Rachel Klayman, the Crown editor who worked with him on Audacity, he didn't. "I get irritated when people ask, 'Does he have a ghostwriter?' because it's the opposite of that," Klayman told me. "Not only does he not have a ghostwriter, he's on an entirely different plane from most writers editors work with." Klayman said that Obama's writing process was similar to that of many authors: He'd write a draft of a chapter--oftentimes working at his computer late at night--and then send it to her and a group of other people (although in Obama's case these people weren't just friends but mainly political and policy advisors) for suggested edits.

As for what Obama sent in, Klayman said, "I've never worked with any other writer who needed less line editing than he did. That's how clean his writing is. That doesn't mean we didn't do some editing. I did a lot of different things. But he's sort of a self-editing phenomenon. Sometimes my role was to stand back and watch him edit himself." She added, "Working with him was so much like working with someone whose day job is being a writer. He is a writer as far as I'm concerned. Jacob Weisberg said he's more like a writer who became a politician than a politician who became a writer."

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[Imalittleteapot]

44. We have all listened to or experienced racism.

Doesn't mean we practice it. To insinuate that Obama is a racist because of his affiliation with Wright is like saying that I'm a bigot because my brother is one.

[Bake]

82. Maybe if your brother is also your long-time spiritual advisor...

Then I'd be concerned.

Bake

[tishaLA]

45. Of course he's rejected things he's said

And, for someone so invested in the notion of "two Americas," you have to be almost willfully ignorant to the traditions of urban black churches if this looks like something new to you.

[annie1]

93. yeah, that's a pretty edgy church for a senator. i might listen to it...

for a hot second, but eventually i would get irritated by it and leave that church. and i'm not even a senator. rookie mistake. and not sure i would bring my kids to that church. well, me, yes, sometimes i'm into black power, but as a senator, bad move.

[Metric System]

7. Everything is Hillary's fault! Unbelievable!!!

[housewolf]

56. Well...

what you suggest is obviously impossible.

However, what IS true is that the tactics used by her campaign and its surrogates is under her control.

[UALRBSofL]

8. Here's the deal

Where did Fox get the videos of Rev Wright and who was the mole from the church? Reason being, someone in the church had to tape his sermons and I would guess was offered a lot of money for the videos from Fox. That's what I'm curious about.

[wndycty]

12. Most Black churches have a broadcast operation. . .

. . .and this is most likely not a case of someone sneaking in with a camera.

[KoKo]

14. Many churchs now tape and video Pastor's sermons for the "shut in"

and those who missed church for one reason or another. Not saying that's the case with Obama's Church...but it's pretty common today.

[wndycty]

19. Trinity is a mega-church and they are very well known in Chicago. . .

. . .if HRC and the GOP wants to take out Obama over his church then they will be taking out a ton of Chicago's African American power brokers (including a number of HRC supporters).

In the '90's quite a few folk tried to get me to join Trinity because it is know that it is where a lot of the "Black elite" in Chicago go.

[UALRBSofL]

32. I wished you would leave Hillary out of what Fox was showing yesterday

The sound bites of Rev Wright. Anyway, It just occurred to me what you said that they tape the sermons and show them on TV. My next door neighbor use to go to the AME church and it comes on every sunday morning. She was an usher. And when she got sick she watched it on TV. Anyway, she passed away from cancer, and, I sure miss her. She was the only neighbor that liked me and my partner and she was a black lady, whereas all the white folks don't have the time of day for us. She use to make us cakes about every other week. When I'd work in the yard with her, she would ask me to come over for breakfast.

[Celebration]

53. I figured it was a kind of social thing

People tend to go to church where their friends go to church. Or, they might have a good youth basketball program. It is rarely about the sermons.

[annie1]

98. oh. i didn't know that. that's kinda cool. : ). the guy just sounds edgy...

but how edgy does he get? and does barack bring the kids there?

[ecstatic]

9. Is Clinton's campaign behind this? It seems curiously timed with the Ferraro eruptions too nt

[TwilightGardener]

10. This is what upsets me: Because it's DEMOCRATS, like Ferraro, saying this

racist shit and putting out this "scary" black/Muslim stuff to tie it to Obama, the GOP now has free license to do it with Democratic permission. Where people would have seen clear attempts to undermine Obama on his race for political advantage during the GE, and probably would have rejected it, this sort of shit is now going to be accepted because it comes from OUR party, and thus doesn't look like politics. I hope Hillary and her campaign staff rot in hell. I have no further use for them as human beings. Keith is right--she decided to run as a Republican to Obama's Democrat.

[publicatlarge]

20. The issue of race in this campaign...

...is being trotted out now to destroy both the Obama and Clinton campaigns. That's the Rovian frame.

This is all leading to a brokered convention in Denver - and who the eventual nominee will be is anyone's guess. Maybe Gore or Edwards. Probably Gore.

[KoKo]

21. Don't forget the Repugs are already working to undermine our party and

they have a hand it pitting the two candidates supporters against each other. Just because it seems to be Obama supporters or Hillary supporters pushing news....remember it's the McCorporate Media that decides how much air-time any story gets. I have no doubt that Repugs are using this all to their advantage and even stirring the pot and adding a few ingredients of their own to the mix.

Josh is correct that getting it all out there diffuses it somewhat when the Repugs start unveil their BIG GUNS... We need to remember that Repugs have access to all the Bush/Cheney Surveillance...FBI, FISA, CIA. I expect there's alot of stuff they have that will be hitting the fan and much they will try to say is coming from Dems...when it's from their own secret vaults.

[saracat]

23. Hillary made Barack join a "racist " Church? Hillary had him married by a racist minister and had a

racist minister baptize his children? Or may this isn't a 'big deal to you? Barack "chose " this church If has always stated its allegance was to Africa, not the Us. This minister intrusts his people to sing "God Damn America" and blames all whote Americans for 9-11? This is just like a demented old Uncle who Barack "doesn't find that controversial?." This isn't anything about being Muslim. He isn't Muslim but he does appear to be racist. I hope Baracks Campign rots in hell too then.

[scheming daemons]

27. Obama has already stated that he disagrees with his former pastor.....

...just like John Kerry disagrees with his church's stance on abortion.

[LisaM]

100. The Catholic church is set up very differently

and along with being anti-choice (which I disagree with), I might point out that they are also against the death penalty (as Kerry is), and against war. The previous pope was very active in promoting peace. And I actually called my local church to complain when I felt the church was campaigning against Kerry and have attended sporadically since then.

But this seems like a different situation. Megachurches are generally set up around a charismatic leader, which, as I understand it, is what Wright is. I don't know if you have been following the new pope around, but he is about as opposite of charismatic as you can get!!!

[TwilightGardener]

38. Sorry, Obama's nutty rabble-rousing preacher isn't Obama, and it isn't even his whole denomination.

It's one man in one congregation, and sometimes he goes over the top--whoopie-doo. Same as a priest who says stuff that I disagree with or find offensive in my church isn't me, and doesn't necessarily represent my views. I guarantee, you could put videotape in many individual churches across the country and hear all sorts of crazy shit. It's just that this man is a skeery angry black man--oooohhhh!!! Be afraid, America!

[saracat]

87. But would a normal person but them on a campaign committee?

Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee
From http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wrights_com... :

March 13, 2008

Wright's committee

Jeremiah Wright, in the news today because video of a sermon (parts of which had been reported, and disavowed, before) adds some heat to the discussion of his relationship with Obama, has generally been described as connected to Obama only informally — a religious figure with whom Obama has said he disagrees at times, a kind of cranky uncle.

But he also has a formal role on the campaign.

Wright is a member of Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee — the sort of largely honorary, advisory body that in recent days has recently been used mostly to throw people off who say controversial things.

The Obama campaign couldn't immediately say whether he'd remain on the committee.

More info on the committee from http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/obama/obama120407pr.htm... :

[housewolf]

61. No, Hillary didn't "make" Obama choose any church but

she is responsible for the tactics used by her campaign and it's (her) surrogates, and THAT's what everybody is saying... that her campaign tactics are causing harm to the Democratic Party and it's chances in the General Election.

[housewolf]

57. She's campaigning right out of Rove's playbook

Her campaign tactics are indistinguishable from Karl Rove's at this point.

[Bake]

83. Like they wouldn't have done it anyway?

What universe do you LIVE in, anyway????

Bake

[Bigleaf]

16. I was just going to post something about this without reading the TPM article.

Ferraro...Fox News...Rev. Wright

Is it possible Clinton, using both Ferraro and Fox News, where Ferraro is a regular on Hannity, is deliberatley stirring all this race shit up? Now Hannity has these Wright tapes. When did Fox get them? Did Fox, in cahoots with Clinton, get the tapes first and that then allowed Hillary to send Ferraro out there as a pawn to start all this shit so they could come back with the Wright tapes? Makes me wonder. This shit seems like it was planned. Hannity can play the Wright tapes all day long and I'm sure Ferraro can get as much airtime as she wants.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

17. People don't always agree with their teachers or Professors either

just because they happen to be there it doesn't mean that you agree with them.

[annie1]

96. would you continue to listen to them for 20 years? i had a professor who..

would say 'australian women look like dogs', then he would email me shit. i told him to take me off his list, i told the school and i was done with him.

[DemGa]

18. Apparently, there's no end to what can be blamed on Hillary---NT

[wndycty]

25. Marshalls argument is we all knew the GOP would do this, now it will be done. . .

. . .with the blessing of Hillary's campaign.

[DemGa]

35. That may be the argument, but it's based on conjecture--

Blessings? I've seen so many arguments based on things we should accept are true i.e., Hillary's "racist tactics," etc.-- but are based on wild speculation. It's exceedingly dishonest and pollutes the discourse.

Now why hasn't Obama "reigned them in"?

[wndycty]

48. But the HRC camp has definitely fanned the flames. . .

. . .these are not coincidences or mistakes they are done or purpose. The Clinton's previous popularity in the Black community was not something that happened by mistake, the Clinton's know the Black community well. They know the sensitivities, this is done on purpose.

[Cha]

76. Ah yes, hilary's "campaign"..

[DearAbby]

26. They go from one racial attack to another...

trying to manufacture a controversy that has racial overtones...why am I not surprised?

[SunsetDreams]

91. no kidding

[GeorgeGist]

28. Shock Doctrine 101

Manufactured reality generates enormous stupidity at a profit.

[Rex_Goodheart]

30. Wow... blaming Clinton for Obama's church affiliation

is pretty lame.

The truth of the matter is that TPM can cry foul all it wants but the Reverend Wright is a big issue among voters, and Obama needs to do something to distance himself from that racist idiot or he's doomed.

[wndycty]

34. Tell me who Hillary's minister is? What church does she belong to?

What is her churches belief's? Tell me more about Hillary's faith.

[UALRBSofL]

40. I know they are methodist but I can't tell you

What church she goes to or anything like that.

[wndycty]

42. Or who her minister is? Or if he has ever said anything crazy. . .

. . .maybe if its relevant for Obama it might worth looking into for Hillary.

[Bake]

84. I'm sure if he/she had said anything crazy, somebody would've already dug it up.

And Methodists are usually pretty harmless (no offense intended, Methodists!).

Bake

[DURHAM D]

60. See my post #58 if you want to know something about Hillary's faith. eom

[DURHAM D]

58. She has kept her church membership in Little Rock at her Methodist church.

Hillary is a Methodist and remains close to the Minister of her church when she was growing up (you can google for this - it is everywhere) and to her current Minister.

If you really want to know about Hillary's faith - she gave an interview last summer that is very candid. Go to cbn.com - the interview was with David Brody. Go to David's page and search "Hillary Clinton interview". It is 30 minutes long and it is just audio - no video. It is really worth a listen if you are actually looking for an answer to your question. However, if you are looking for something to slam or hate on Hillary with you really, really won't like the interview.

[wndycty]

59. What is her minister's name?

What is the name of her church?

[DURHAM D]

62. It is probably The First Methodist Church of

Little Rock, Arkansas. I can tell by your questions you don't know jack shit about mainstream protestant faiths.

[wndycty]

69. You can insult me if you want, but I'm not religious. . .

. . .so I'm looking at this from the stand point of fairness. If you would like make my ignorance of "mainstream protestant faiths" an issue have at it. lol

[DURHAM D]

70. Just listen to the interview I referenced if you are actually intellectually curious... eom

[hfojvt]

66. The ministers are moved around at a Methodist church

The bishop-equivalent puts a pastor in a church and then moves him/her every four to six years, although members can pressure them to either get rid of a pastor or to keep one a little longer, but a Methodist church will not, in general, have the same pastor for 20 years.

[housewolf]

65. There was a recent in-depth article about her religious views & activities

Here's a snippet - there's much more at the link

"In fact, Clinton's God talk is more complicated—and more deeply rooted—than either fans or foes would have it, a revelation not just of her determination to out-Jesus the gop, but of the powerful religious strand in her own politics. Over the past year, we've interviewed dozens of Clinton's friends, mentors, and pastors about her faith, her politics, and how each shapes the other. And while media reports tend to characterize Clinton's subtle recalibration of tone and style as part of the Democrats' broader move to recapture the terrain of "moral values," those who know her say there's far more to it than that.

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

Clinton's faith is grounded in the Methodist beliefs she grew up with in Park Ridge, Illinois, a conservative Chicago suburb where she was active in her church's altar guild, Sunday school, and youth group. It was there, in 1961, that she met the Reverend Don Jones, a 30-year-old youth pastor; Jones, a friend of Clinton's to this day, told us he knows "more about Hillary Clinton's faith than anybody outside her family."


more... (it's a 4 page article)
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

[Melinda]

68. Well, there is her membership in "The Fellowship" where she worships w/Santorum...

Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. "A lot of evangelicals would see that as just cynical exploitation," says the Reverend Rob Schenck, a former leader of the militant anti-abortion group Operation Rescue who now ministers to decision makers in Washington. "I don't....there is a real good that is infected in people when they are around Jesus talk, and open Bibles, and prayer."

-snip-

When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

Clinton declined our requests for an interview about her faith.

Secret, elite.... sounds like cult to me.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer-2.html

[Window]

31. K/R.

:kick:

[Imalittleteapot]

33. Not hate speak.

Wright speaks the truth, in my opinion, and like pastors all over America attempts to lift the spirit of the congregation. Hillary has never been accused of not being white enough, has she? White males have been running the show, haven't they?

However, I can see how Wright's sermon could stir up the bigots. I know someone who is scared that so many blacks are voting for Barack - like it's some kind of plot for a black revolution. :shrug:

[wndycty]

36. "However, I can see how Wright's sermon could stir up the bigots. . ."

Truer GOD DAMNED words have never been spoken!

[MonkeyFunk]

37. Just about every controversy

in this campaign has been manufactured. That doesn't diminish the impact.

[hfojvt]

78. at least some things

are still "made in the USA" even if by an Australian company.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. It's a continuation of the Ferraro fiasco.

They're trying to portray Obama as an anti-white racist.

:rofl:

[wndycty]

41. Yeah and let the HRC/FAUX NEWS cartel play that game so that can continue . . .

. . .to go down in flames.

[UALRBSofL]

47. I don't think Hillary is involved in this mess with Fox, just my opinion

when they were showing tapes on Fox. But to change the subject, I don't think there are as many racist black folks as there are racists white folks. In my experience, black people are more accepting of me and my partner then many white people. I'm not saying all of them but my partner and I had more discrimination from white people then black people.

[displacedtexan]

43. Is Josh Marshall no longer accepting comments?

Hm.

[RememberWellstone]

46. Obamarosa and others close to him

are the ones that are killing his chances. Anyone near him is showing his inexperience, they cannot keep their mouths shut. Monsters, Anti-semetisim, race baiting, not proud to be an American the list is growing.

[wndycty]

49. Oh please explain the origins/meaning of "Obamarosa"

:kick:

[durrrty libby]

50. I "Hope" that asshole bigot loses his tax exempt status asap

[wndycty]

51. Well you will be happy to know the IRS is now investigate the entire denomination. . .

. . .not just Trinity. Someone heard your prayers and is going after the entire United Church for Christ. I'm sure you are thrilled.

[durrrty libby]

73. Love to see the fraudsters and bigots hiding behind a pulpit exposed and punished

[Scurrilous]

54. K & R

:thumbsup:

[DerekJ]

63. They can’t find enough dirt on Obama, so they start attacking his

pastor, his prof. Next probably his dog, if he has one. Don’t be shocked to see a headline like this:
“Obama’s dog parks at the neighbors”

[zulchzulu]

64. Media Matters exposed the same story spewing from Hannity

http://mediamatters.org/items/200706280002?f=i_related

It's part of Hillaryworld's "Pennsylvania Plan"...

[wndycty]

67. Sort of like a "southern strategy"

:kick:

[Strelnikov_]

75. Yep n/t

[DURHAM D]

72. That was a correction on the issue of church mission = black separatism.

Not related to current discussion.

[Strelnikov_]

74. Phase 1 complete. Phase 2, OP Scary Black Preacher, initiated n/t

[wndycty]

77. LOL, so true

:kick:

[uponit7771]

85. What did Wright say that in that sermon that wasn't true!?!?!?!? Thank you in advance

[wndycty]

86. Kick

:kick:

[Beacool]

88. So...................

Rev. Wright opens his big mouth and spews venom in two separate sermons and it's all Hillary's fault?????????

WTF, alternative world does this a-hole live in!!!!!!!

:wtf:

[NMMNG]

89. Don't you know?

The Clagina is responsible for all evil these days. :eyes:

[SunsetDreams]

90. I agree

desperation at it's best.

[annie1]

92. lol. he blamed it on hillary. that's pretty fucking lame.

[karmicglee]

94. TPM blaming Clinton

I don\'t get it. How is Clinton to blame for Wright saying that America deserved 9-11?

[better tomorrow]

95. probably because Clinton knew about 911

just like all the other Illumnists.....

[annie1]

97. inside job. vote ron paul. :D

sarcasm, no one freak out.

[karmicglee]

99. And she crashed the stock market in 1929

Having been alive at the time is not a requirement.

[Maat]

101. People may disagree with me, but ..

I do not believe that what Rev. Wright says was racist. If he were a racist, he would have talked about hating whites because they were white. He does, however, describe his church as being "Afrocentric" (as I recall). To me, that is very different from racism. Rev. Wright is merely pointing out a reality. Just because he recognizes the struggles African-Americans uniquely face, that does not mean that he is sexist or something else that is negative. He has a record of being pro-human-rights, and has spoken out repeatedly for marriage equality.

One of my pastors is like a favorite auntie; I don't always agree with what she says. It doesn't mean that I'm going to leave the church. The fact is that both churches I go to are open and inclusive, and welcoming and affirming. That's enough for me. I wouldn't go to a church whose philosophy espoused racism, but I don't believe that Rev. Wright is a racist. He has to long a history of successfully working with many activist groups.

Link evidencing Rev. Wright's support for marriage equality:
http://www.nbjcoalition.org/about/supporters.html