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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:51 AM
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Should God damn America?
Yes or No.

Definition of ruse per www.dict.org
v : wish harm upon; invoke evil upon

So, which of you defending Wright's words want harm and evil wished upon our country? Speak up.

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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:52 AM
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1. Who's this God you speak of? Link?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:54 AM
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This is horse shit!
Wright is damning America for specific reasons. Some are valid and some are only partially valid. Should he have re-worded it? Perhaps. But he is right on target with the issues.
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:55 AM
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5. His words
"God damn America."

Do you want God to damn America?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:57 AM
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7. Don't believe in any god or the fact that any made up deity can damn anything
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:17 PM
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17. I think you need some Lee Greenwood
I think the words "God Bless America" taste bitter when you're born with some genetic quality that automatically puts you at a disadvantage with the majority of the populace, simply because humans like to abuse their gift of sight. I think the words taste putrid to anyone pigeonholed into some racial lower echelon where no matter how adept or clever or gifted, you're always less and pushed around more.

I think you have white privilege and you have no idea how bitter those words can be. How bitter all those patriotic songs can be:

"The white cracker who wrote the National Anthem knew what he was doing. He set the word free to a note so high nobody could reach it. That was deliberate." - Belize from "Angels in America" by Tony Kushner
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:54 AM
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2. The pirates are already on their way... (nt)
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:55 AM
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3. No.
Our rivers should flow freely as Mother Nature intended it.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:55 AM
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4. Hasn't he already? I mean seriously, he did give us dubya.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:55 AM
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6. Frankly I think that Americans are doing a pretty good job of damning ourselves,
Without any help from God. Economy going into the toilet, environment incresingly polluted, oil running out, inept leadership, imperial war, the more I look around, the more dam(n)age I see. It has gotten to the point where I'm isolating myself out on my farm for long periods of time just to commune with nature and let peace and sanity return to my soul.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:57 AM
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8. Why did Thomas Jefferson hate America?
"Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice canot sleep forever." - Jefferson, Notes on Virginia (speaking to the issue of slavery, and by extension to the present, of racial inequality).
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:58 AM
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9. If Rev Wright were running for office or affiliated with Obama's campaign, this would be a relevant
poll...
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:01 PM
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13. Obama is affiliated with him,
and that's a problem.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:08 PM
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16. Again.... Obama is as affiliated with him as Kerry is to his priest..... and...
this is no different than Kerry being pro-Choice while his priest is pro-Life.


Going to a church does not mean that someone agrees with everything the pastor says or believes.
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ebdarcy Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:59 AM
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10. If he wants to, I suppose he could.
Of course, he'd have to actually exist first.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:00 PM
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11. ...
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 12:01 PM by rucky
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:00 PM
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12. It depends. What is the appropriate response to the cruel acts
that continue to be perpetrated in all of our names?
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:02 PM
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14. That's not the only definition.
Try: "to condemn as a failure"

Yes, if God existed, I would think he would condemn America for its treatment of African Americans. That's kind of a no-brainer.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:07 PM
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15. I'm not defending Pastor Wright
But let's face facts, most Americans see nothing wrong with the past policies of the US, because they don't get to see the results of the bad policies on the evening news.

What if during the overthrow of Allende the American public got to see civilians being torturted and murdered, for nothing more then believing in something different?

How about educating the American public that without US support Saddam Hussein would not have been able to gas the Kurds, or show them how the Shah's secret police SAVAK, actually dealt with any who dissented!

Maybe we could educate the American public about how things under Bautista weren't all warm and fuzzy and then compare his government to Castro's, to see where they were similar and where they were different?

I don't wish harm or evil upon my country, that's already been done by intentional ignorance on the part of some of my countrymen.

What I do wish for is that people educate themselves on those policies that have resulted in the deaths of thousands, and sk themselves if those lives were thrown away needlessly.
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Not the Only One Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:20 PM
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18. God already damned us. Haven't you been paying attention for the past 8 years?
God apparently is a sadist. Fuck him.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:21 PM
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19. Judging by our current President,
and our Congress, and the decisions they've made and the people that have suffered, He already has...
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:22 PM
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20. here's the link & video of Wrights saying "we should be singing "God Damn America"
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 12:25 PM by ElsewheresDaughter

If Obama is the nom...this WILL cost us the White House.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1



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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:35 PM
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21. He should strike Bush and Cheney with lightning
when people are talking about America they are generaly talking about the government
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