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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:36 AM
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Ferraro claimed that Susan Rice and others from Obama's camp called her a racist...
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 10:37 AM by jenmito
and owe HER an apology. And she went on to say something like, "I hope this will be the last time the Obama camp gets to play the race card like this..." :wtf: She is clearly trying to stir up trouble, accusing Obama (and his camp) of calling HER a racist?!?! And then on Morning Joe this morning they kept playing that clip and accepting HER claim that these people are calling her a racist. (Of course, if this were true, it would turn off some/many white voters to Obama which I think is the goal of Hillary's camp/supporters). Can any Hillary supporter or Ferraro supporter provide a quote where anyone in Obama's camp called her a racist?
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:40 AM
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1. ...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:41 AM
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3. Yes. Crickets also come to mind.
:D
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:40 AM
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2. If she supplies the verified e-mails along with Hillary's tax records...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:43 AM
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4. Of course she won't be able to do that. I just hate how the media's not questioning that claim
about people calling her a racist. Especially since Susan Rice, Axelrod, and Obama himself have all said they do NOT think she's a racist or that it was even a racist COMMENT, but divisive and ridiculous.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:44 AM
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5. Paging Clinton. Mrs. Clinton, if you truly objected to this type of language
why is Ferraro still race baiting all over the country? Do you really think we can't see through the fake resignation/letter thing?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:46 AM
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7. Exactly. As KO said last night, if she WANTED, Hillary could tell Ferraro to stop this BS.
But of course she won't. As usual, she's allowing others to do her dirty work.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:46 AM
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6.  What's even funnier
Susan Rice was on Joe's show when she criticized Ferraro's statements.

People make a mistake by crying racist whenever someone calls them out on making inappropriate comments. There is a difference between saying something racially insensitive and being a racist. Ferraro was quick to claim that they are calling her a racist. That's not true. She got very defensive and tried to become the victim.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:50 AM
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13. That's right! So Joe should've SAID that Ferraro lied about Rice. He didn't.
Nobody called Bill Clinton or Jim Shaheen racists, either, which she ALSO claimed. It was said that they "played the race card," which is not the same thing at all.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:55 AM
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19. John Ridley was trying to offer his perspective
But they were dismissive of his remarks.

Hillary Cliton had the same reaction when she was criticized for her clumsy LBJ MLK analogy. She claimed she was hurt that she was being accused of being a racist and that she has worked throughout her career to help black people. No one called her a racist.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:47 AM
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8. But Ferraro is a racist.
Don't expect an apology from me.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:52 AM
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16. But she went on national tv and said Obama's people called her a racist which they didn't.
That's designed to turn white voters against him. I hope it doesn't work.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:47 AM
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9. ...pins make loud sounds when they drop in quite rooms....
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:48 AM
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10. Wow , what did she want
She clearly stated, but for his race he would not be in the primary. If that's not clear enough, What is?
Why are these Dems acting like Republicans?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:58 AM
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22. There have been many instances of Hillary supporters "acting on their own"
saying things that should be out of bounds. Coincidences? ALL of them?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:48 AM
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11. Stop
go back where you were. Please, seriously stop.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:51 AM
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14. Where was I?
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:48 AM
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12. Some in the American Populace can read underneath the response from the O camp
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 10:51 AM by Oleladylib
ever so clever...the race issue stays on the table ..because it is...as is the gender issue..The only difference is gender bias is much more tolerated in this country of WASPM
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:58 AM
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23. Let me get this straight.
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 11:00 AM by americanstranger
Here are the responses from the Obama camp - first, from the candidate himself:

“I don’t think Geraldine Ferraro’s comments have any place in our politics or in the Democratic Party. They are divisive. I think anybody who understands the history of this country knows they are patently absurd,” Mr. Obama told the Allentown Morning Call. “And I would expect that the same way those comments don’t have a place in my campaign they shouldn’t have a place in Senator Clinton’s either.”

And then from the campaign:

“When you wink and nod at offensive statements, you’re really sending a message to supporters that anything goes. We call upon the Clinton campaign to take swifter action,” said David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Mr. Obama. “She ought to be removed from those positions. There’s no other way to send a serious signal that you want to police the tone of this campaign.”

In a conference call with reporters this afternoon, Representative Jan Schakowsky, Democrat of Illinois, joined in the criticism. “It’s disappointing that Clinton supporters have sought to diminish Senator Obama’s candidacy to say that in some way he’s been given special treatment because of his race. Any and all remarks that diminishing Senator Obama’s candidacy because of his race are completely out of line.”


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/obama-aide-criticizes-ferraro-comments/

The two responses don't even use the word 'racism' - just 'race' in a benign context. But they're the insidious statements with a divisive sub-text?

Damn. Up is down.

- as
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:01 AM
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28. Thanks for providing those quotes!
:hi:
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:09 AM
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35. No problem. People can claim that Obama said anything.
I saw the 'tea party' claim this morning and Googled the actual quote. It was nowhere near what the poster was trying to turn it into.

When faced with what people actually said as opposed to what posters here think they said or heard someone say they said, they have more of a hard time smearing. Case in point - no repsonse to what I posted there from the poster who claims that Obama said something 'devisive.'

- as
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:41 AM
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37. Yup. Thanks for setting the record straight. And of course, not one poster has yet posted
a quote by anyone from Obama's camp calling Ferraro a racist.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:59 AM
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26. Who in the Obama camp called her a racist like she claimed? TIA.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:52 AM
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15. The interesting thing is she has gotten a lot of emails
From who she calles the Obama supporters and the Obama camp as well as phone calls and so I would assume they are calling her racists. I'm not her so I don't know what is going on in her life or what phone calls or emails she has gotten. I would assume she might show these emails to the media in the coming weeks showing people calling her racists and threatening her. I'm not sure of any of this, just guessing.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:56 AM
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20. She named names. Susan Rice did NOT call her a racist. Unless she sent her an email calling
her a racist or others calling her a racist, her claims are lies. And nobody's questioning her.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:53 AM
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17. I understand that Senator Clinton's supporters,
periodically when they're feeling down, launch attacks as a way of trying to boost Clinton's appeal.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:53 AM
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18. Why did she bring up race in the first place if it wasn't a problem for ferraro?
It has nothing to do with a candidate's qualifications, and she should know better since she fought for discrimination against women.

Everything indicates that since she brought it up in the first place, she has a problem with people of color

The fact that Clinton condemned her comments show that Ferraro has a problem with race







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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:00 AM
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27. You know, I don't know. She has done a lot over the years for the country
She has made this statement before when Jessie Jackson ran in 88. But, I just don't believe she is a racist. I think she looks at things not from an emotional since, but, I think she is very logic oriented.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:11 PM
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45. You are probably right, she isn't a racist, however
this statement was worse than what she said about Jackson

I won't rehash all the arguments why her accessment is incorrect, but one thing is for certain, at best it is racially insensitive

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:58 AM
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21. Ferraro is being a real jerk about this and the media are playing along.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:06 AM
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31. Of course they're going along. And in the same breath they say Obama's getting a free ride. n/t
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:59 AM
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24. Someone needs to provide a straight jacket for Ferraro - she has gone completely mad.
She is an embarrassment not only to the Clinton campaign but to the Democratic Party itself.

I think there has been a pattern of injecting race by her campaign and I am starting to think it's deliberate. She knows that much of PA is redneck territory and that by amping up Obama's race she creates anxiety in those most likely to be affected by race stuff. Despicable!
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:07 AM
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33. I agree...
And Hillary should publicly ask her to STOP it...if she really was against her remarks, which I doubt.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:15 AM
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36. You don't know what your talking about
What do you mean Hillary is injecting Obama's race to the campaign? I think most people knows he's a black man and if they don't know his full name by now then they have had there head in the sand. I believe your calling the residence of Pennsylvania backwards racists, and, if that were really true, they sure as hell don't need Hillary to tell them what color he is. Give it a rest why don't ya.

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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:24 PM
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44. First of all, even Carville describes PA as Philadelphia and Pittsburgh with
Alabama in between. It's not a matter of informing Pennsylvanians that Obama is black, but constantly reminding them 'that for some reason it's an issue' which creates anxiety.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:59 AM
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25. Awww ...boohoo baah baah boohoo ...sniffle snif
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:01 AM
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29. I saw her saying she had received phone calls and emails doing so, but I
don't think she said WHO had sent them or called. So I don't think there are any links to support her statement, unless she passsed on the emails.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:04 AM
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30. She said Susan Rice and Jan Schakowsky called her a racist. Let's see proof. n/t
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 11:05 AM by jenmito
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:09 AM
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34. She claimed the email attacks and "threats" came from the Obama camp
I wouldn't be surprised that it came from supporters but I doubt they came from the Obama camp.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:34 PM
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38. It would be incredibly stupid if anyone did email her.
But there seem to be a lot of tensions between the two campaigns, so I guess anything is possible.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:00 PM
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42. ferraro is a tool and political op who
went over like a lead balloon. Now she's goin' down lyin' her head off and when Obama wins the presidency she can thank her for being part of the reason.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:06 AM
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32. I call her a racist too
& I'm not apologizing.

dg
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:36 PM
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39. Something tells me you're going to be waiting an awful long time
They won't answer your challenge, because they CAN'T. However, they'll keep repeating the same tired claims in other posts, and whenever they're challenged there, they'll simply attack you as an Obamite.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:57 PM
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41. I think so, too.
And I know they're reading the thread.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:54 PM
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40. Thanks for the post. I heard Ferraro's statement and wondered
whether there was any truth to it. I think it is extremely sad to see someone I have admired twist herself into knots trying to deny the clear import of her words and then trying to paint herself as a victim of the firestorm she ignited. Truly pathetic behavior.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:07 PM
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43. No problem. I just saw a clip of what she said again, and she claimed Rice and Schakowsky called
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 01:09 PM by jenmito
her a racist on TV!
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