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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:37 AM
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The Continuing Confusion of Clinton Supporters
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 08:39 AM by berni_mccoy
Clinton supporters are confused. They are confused as to why Clinton did not immediately denounce and shut down Ferraro's racist statements. Deep down inside they knew what Ferraro said was wrong. But when Clinton didn't come out and denounce the remark and days passed, they grew more confused. Why did Ferraro speak such horrible words in the first place? Why didn't Clinton come out and shut it down, like Obama did with Powers. As other well-known and long-time Democrats came out and denounced it, they became more confused. Some Clinton supporters were so confused that they began defending the racist remarks and pattern of behavior in the campaign. Some were so confused that they began echoing those remarks and asking what the problem was. And some became so confused that they started questioning their support for Clinton. When Clinton came out with her 'apology' that she did not agree with the comments and was sorry 'if anyone was offended'...they grew seriously confused. When Ferraro came out and instead of apologizing, blamed Obama for it, the confusion grew into a crazed chaos. Some began blaming Obama for being a racist, some said they apologized and it was over, some continued to echo the racist remarks, some started thinking about dropping their support.

When Keith Olbermann, a man who has been a staunch supporter of Clinton and the Democrats, a man who many Clinton supporters viewed has a heroic figure, brought crystal clarity to the situation, everything did not become clear for them. Many of the Clinton supporters blamed Olbermann for being 'one of the guys' and that he lied (which he most certainly did not). They attacked him as if he was Karl Rove incarnate. Olbermann is someone who even the night of this most recent Special Comment were recording KO religiously on their DVRs. This is someone who has carried the Democratic flag through the MSM for us. And now, he is attacked by the confused Clinton supporters for speaking the truth.

They feel he has taken sides, even though, Olbermann clearly stated, "this is not an endorsement of Obama". He stated that this was a message to Senator Clinton to straighten up her campaign, to take control of it. Because her campaign certainly has gotten out of control, much the way that her supporters have. The confusion has led many Clinton supporters to believe that Olbermann, along with a host of many other Democratic supporters in the media, her at DU and abroad, have taken 'sides.' They have not taken sides. It is Clinton who has pushed her campaign so far to an extreme that it appears that everyone else but Clinton and her remaining supporters are on one side and everyone else is on another. That place, for her supporters, is the same place that Bush's remaining 19% are for him.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:59 AM
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1. Bravo...and yes
Clinton's divisive campaign is beginning to even divide her supporters.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:08 AM
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2. Great Post
They are confused and angry
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:13 AM
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3. Not confused, just not buying the MSM bullshit,
and make no mistake KO is part of the MSM.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:35 AM
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4. I'm sorry for you.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:37 AM
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5. Anyone who defends the actions of the last few days...
... is either a) a person who is aware OR unaware of their own underlying racist tendencies, b) one who is truly brainwashed into not seeing any fault in this candidate/campaign, no matter how blatant or c) a decent person who has been spun and spun and spun into a state of utter confusion.

Because I am a HOPEful person, I think the majority of Gerry/Hillary defenders are in that last catagory.

Sadly, I think that the fact that so many Hill supporters didn't see anything wrong with the statement is an underlying sign of racism itself. If the WHOLE WORLD is telling you that comments are racist, or at least can easily be CONSTRUED as racist - then there IS something wrong with the statement and you need to take a long hard look at yourselves in the mirror and figure out what you truly believe.

In a very short time, Hillary will be done with her campaign (one way or another) and I suspect most of the people who have either been brainwashed or confused or spun will come around. This FOG of negativity Hillary has everyone wading through will lift and everyone will fall in line behind Barack.

That small percentage of "democrats" that continue to defend and continue to see NOTHING racially hurtful or divisive in the statements, well I suggest that they should find a new party and candidate. I believe you will find the GOP candidate's views align most closely with your own.


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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:39 AM
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7. messboys ... strawberries ... (clink, clink, clink...)
and I'm sure KO & Obama are card-carrying members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy too.

Okie-doke.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:44 PM
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17. oh please. he is not. or he would have kissed bush's ass
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:39 AM
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6. Bravo, Bernie. Well said. K&R
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:40 AM
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8. Its too late for Hillary to clean up her act, her true "colors" have become known
and many of us will never trust a word she says, ever again.

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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:57 AM
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10. Amen to That and
Keith Olberman remains one of the great hero broadcasters of our time. He was the first to come out and speak against Bush and this administration, torture, wiretapping, etc., etc., etc., - and he has not let the 50 Bush scandals die.

He's not going to lose that many viewers.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:51 AM
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9. Keith loves his countyr and clearly would be for HRC if HRC ahd a positive vision.
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:52 AM by cooolandrew
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:57 AM
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11. Yes, that is it exactly. She has ruined her own campaign.
Whether it is her own failure of management or bad advice from her campaign staff, she has failed and should not be electable on that point alone.
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:59 AM
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12. Thanks
and I think you have coined a new collective noun

A Confusion of Clintonites
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:29 AM
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13. lol, not what I was going for, but I'll take the credit for it.
Thanks.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:45 AM
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14. Yes, I am sure
that I want to recommend this thread. Thank you for reassuring me that I am not losing my mind.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:53 AM
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15. Hillary wanted to see what the focus groups said before she did anything regarding Racist Ferraro.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:45 PM
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18. Cold and calculating.
Everything is calculated to be the best STRATEGIC decision. Not the best PRINCIPLED decision. :puke:
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 09:28 AM
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23. Thus the reason why she sent thousands of young men and women to die in the sands of Iraq.
And why she will never -- ever -- be fit to be president.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:41 PM
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16. K & R
:thumbsup:
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:50 PM
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19. Wow. Looking at the current posts in GD:P... there is a chorus of confusion from Clinton supporters
They are trying to dig up everything and anything they can, reaching far and wide, making things up and reaching to extremes to try to hurt Obama and the messengers of their reality. It's really, really sad.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:05 PM
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20. kick for the KO crowd!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:59 PM
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21. She's in total control of her campaign - KO was just giving her the benefit of the doubt
That was very generous of him.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:05 PM
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22. This all began with everyone blaming the clintons for playing
the race card back in january sometime after 1/08/08 and up and until 1/21/08, but instead of buying into obama's campaign saying it was the clintons, the whoremedia should have stopped and saw it was the obama campaign that started playing the race card and then blamed Hillary Clinton......it would seem that obama has the audacity part down pat. But it’s more like the audacity of bigotry and ignorance.

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