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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:34 AM
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Is There A Difference Between Hillary and Hillary's Campaign
It's hard to imagine that someone that has carried the Dem banner for so many years and has survived so many battles seems to have succumb to tactics that are less than admirable. I started thinking to myself how this could happen. It just doesn't seem like Ms. Clinton to be so, so...not like Ms. Clinton.

It made me wonder if there is a difference between Hillary Clinton and the Clinton campaign.

I think some of you know what I'm referring to. Has Hillary surrounded herself with some of the worst campaign advisors possible? If so, does this reflect the "real" Hillary? I suppose she remains responsible for her campaign and it does reflect on her. It is also hard to argue that "if she can't control her campaign, what kind of leader would she actually be?"

Having said all of this, is her campaign really a reflection of the kind of person that she actually is?

I find it hard to believe.

-P
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:35 AM
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1. But it would reflect how her administration would be run
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:41 AM
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5. Is there a difference between an employer and an employee?
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:42 AM
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7. I tend to think so...
Either the campaign has taken on a life of its own and cannot be completely controlled or...well, I just don't know.

-P
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:54 AM
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11. Is there a difference between an employer who holds their employees accountable and one who doesn't?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 04:02 AM
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14. So who gets to decide? The employer or public opinion?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 04:09 AM
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15. Public opinion, almost always. That's business. Unless your business is out of the public view.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 04:20 AM
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17. Who is to say public opinion is right if they are not aware of all the facts..
and the msm gives them a biased opinion for assessment?
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:43 AM
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8. I understand your point...
But I do not necessarily agree.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:36 AM
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2. It seems like Mark Penn has been trying to destroy her campaign from within,
little by little for the past few months.

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:37 AM
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3. And that Kneecapping Attack Dog as your spokesman doesnt help.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:58 AM
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12. "Kneecapping Attack Dog as your spokesman?" .... arf!
What are you talking about?



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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 04:11 AM
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16. Howard Wolfson
I cringe when he speaks.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:38 AM
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4. I have wondered the same, but she IS still responsible - the buck stops there (n/t)
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:41 AM
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6. I Know...
...it is just so hard to watch Hillary in this kind of campaign. I simply can't understand how someone of her caliber could be...be...I don't know the word. I find it hard to believe that her campaign is who she really is.

-P
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:43 AM
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9. But you can believe Mark Penn would act like that
Right? So I think you have part of your answer right there.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 03:52 AM
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10. I have to wonder about Hillary's judgment.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 04:01 AM
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13. It bothers me too.
You realize that she would put the people managing her campaign into her White House if she won, right?

Well, I don't want Mark Penn anywhere NEAR the White House. Honestly, he reminds me too much of--well, you know. And that goes for several other people advising her as well. Compared to Hillary's staff, Obama's staff is fairly well behaved. They call Hillary "monster"--fft, they're gone. But the people on her side have called Obama a LOT worse, and stay on indefinitely.
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