Which would be more Un-Democratic?

[FlyingSquirrel]

[davidinalameda]

1. squirrels

since I can't follow your scenarios

[FlyingSquirrel]

3. Ok I'll make it simpler

Obama wins 4 of the remaining 6 contests, Clinton gets MI and FL counted. Clinton manages to wrestle about 30 delegates away from Obama in the various states through legal means. Obama still is ahead in pledged delegates and slightly ahead in the popular vote.

(1) Obama fails to get enough superdelegates and loses.
(2) Clinton fails to get enough superdelegates and loses despite all her efforts.

Oh, the hell with it. Stupid poll

How about this: What's more undemocratic, "Caucuses" or "Superdelegates"? That'll keep their attention.

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Here was the scenario (sorta rephrased):

***Warning*** this scenario contains some numbers that may be unfamiliar to many.

It counts TX & WA caucus and primary as separate contests.
It assumes that MI and FL are counted as-is, which leads to 849 superdelegates
It assumes that the number of total delegates needed to win would then be 2,208
It assumes that Clinton (oops, Candidate B) wins 5 of the next 9 primary contests, plus Guam.

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Obama wins "undemocratic" caucus contests 13 to 4 and "democratic" primary contests 21 to 20
Obama wins a total of 34 contests to 24
Obama was not on the ballot in MI, but is assigned the "uncommitted" delegates.
Obama was on the ballot in FL. That state gets counted as-is.
Obama wins the popular vote by a small margin (say, 20,000) overall including MI/FL.
Obama is somehow outmaneuvered and loses 30 additional pledged delegates to Clinton.
Obama fails to gain the support of about 420 "important people" out of 849
Obama loses.

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Clinton wins 4 of 17 "undemocratic" caucus contests and 20 of 41 "democratic" primary contests
Clinton wins a total of 24 contests to 34
Clinton is the only one on the ballot in MI, but Obama is assigned the "uncommitteds"
Clinton gets FL counted as-is.
Clinton loses the popular vote by only a small margin (20,000) overall including MI/FL.
Clinton manages to legally wrestle another 30 delegates away from Obama
Clinton gains the support of an additional 430 "important people" out of 849
Clinton wins.

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Pretty democratic, right? Much more democratic to have 430 people decide the election than those pesky undemocratic caucuses.

That's pretty much the point I was trying to make, but it didn't work well as a poll (too long-winded)

[davidinalameda]

5. superdelegates are more undemocratic

primaries count noses

caucuses count feet

you have to be dedicated to go to a caucus

[aquarius dawning]

2. I like squirrels. They're fun.

[fujiyama]

4. I'd vote for a squirrel over Hillary!

[FlyingSquirrel]

7. You do know that squirrels are rodents right?

[amborin]

6. squirrels

one issue i have with your write ups is that all primaries are not equal...some are big core dem states, others are solidly red states....yet others are crucial swing states

[emilyg]

8. I feed those little rats daily.