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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:53 PM
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The nasty truth about Clinton's race-baiting campaign
It works in places like Ohio and Pennsylvania and she knows it. Ohio has alot of hicks and that's the cold hard truth. Many white Democrats in Ohio are skeptical of any black politician no matter what he/she brings to the table. Many will just look at the color of his/her skin. Clinton is just trying to subtly bring it to the forefront. I'm not very familiar with Pennsylvania, but from what I've read the demographics are similar to Ohio.

The sad thing is that she knows that she can't win the nomination through pledged delegates, the will of the people. What she's doing right now is dividing the democratic party for her benefit and she has been targeting Ohio and Pennsylvania. They're targeting Ohio and Pennsylvania for this specific purpose. This is a deliberate tactic by the Clinton campaign. Then when all is said and done she can say Obama can't win swing states like Ohio and Pennsylvania and she'll try to get the super delegates to overturn the will of the people. This is their goal.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:57 PM
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1. The race baiting is from Obama - Ferrarro is no racist -has lifetime of constant large
giving into AA community - said only that "concept of a black president" is driving many to vote for Obama - and noted that the concept of a women vice president was pushing her in 84.

She said this in an out of the way tiny meeting and it had no legs/no PR/was not picked up in the national press - that is it had no legs until Obama played the race card one more time and misrepresented what she was saying so as to score points with his supporters as the "victim".

You would think the 10th time he pulled the same race card via the same technique the media would be all over him - the fact that they are not reveals a sexist bias as seen on KO's Countdown on MSNBC - A program I no longer watch.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:02 PM
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3. oh because white voters outnumber blacks?
that sounds like a winning strategy.

Obama actually has to avoid being seen as the black candidate because it hurts him overall with white voters. He already has black voters, he doesn't need to remind them that he is black --I think they have figured out that by now. However, keep reminding voters that he is black reminds white voters that he is black (and different).

There is no reason for him to do this, but there is every reason for Clinton's campaign to do this.

And I don't recall Obama allowing his campaign to say that Hillary got where she was because she is white. A member of her campaign has been saying continuously for two weeks that he is where he is because he is black.

But you can't handle the truth.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:06 PM
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5. Are you suggesting ...
... that a statement made in an out of the way tiny meeting need not be as truthful as a statement made anywhere else?

And ah, yes, of course, let's hear about the "sexist media" one more time - because you know that if you say it enough times, it becomes the truth. I've heard that line from the GOP enough to know that it must be a fact.

By the way, is there a Professional Straw-Graspers Union, or are the people spewing this line just enthusiastic amateurs?

Just wonderin' ... :shrug:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:12 PM
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9. No, Ferarro has been repeating this for several months
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:17 AM
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36. She's been repeating it for 20 years
This is old hat to her. It's calculating, intended to inflame and certainly supported from the top of the Clinton campaign. And I don't mean Mark Penn.

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:26 AM
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41. Oh right.
She's been repeating it for 20 years? Well, Hillary was nowhere near years ago?
Where do people get off blaming Hillary for what Ferraro said?
It seemed like Ferraro expressed her own opinion, and Hillary had nothing to do with it, considering Ferraro said similar thing years ago.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:30 AM
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42. Hillary knew she had a history of racist statements and turned her loose
Ferraro is an experienced politician who has been in a national campaign. The idea that she somehow just wandered off the reservation is laughable.

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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:24 PM
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24. stupid post
nice blinders there
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:20 AM
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38. she's a Fox news consultant and made rounds on right wing media yesterday & today
Papau, go to America Blog and read about it.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/having-done-dirty-work-ferraro-is.html

Here's her Fox News bio:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34759,00.html

She has been making the rounds on right wing radio and tv all week.
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Splinter Cell Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:37 AM
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45. Step away from the joint
You've smoked yourself into a stupor.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:39 AM
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46. Sorry, but she's been public with her comments.
Where do you get your talking points?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:59 PM
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Ferraro's and Rendell's statements put in public
and therefore validate what many voters think in private, helping them rationalize voting against a black man. Without that validation, many more would fight against their private thoughts and try to evaluate Obama on the basis of something other than race.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:03 PM
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4. Having Rendell do it was a dead giveaway - but it won't work here in PA...
There are too many people fired up about Obama in the suburbs of Philly ~ and this just motivates them even more.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:09 PM
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6. I sure hope you're right.
And don't forget Indiana, right next door. If there's any state where this same tactic would work, it's there. And Michigan too. Cripes.

Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, the heart of the rust belt, economic hard times, and tons of Reagan Democrats - fertile ground for ugly tactics. A Clinton Perfect Storm. :-(
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:10 PM
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8. considering he won in Pennsylvania
and his Jewish identity didn't stop him from election and reelection.

and even though the man has no filter on his mouth, he should remember that he is governor and not suggest or validate the kind of behavior that racists in his state would be practicing if they voted against Obama because he is black.

but that's Rendell.

i'm tired of old line Philly politics. i can remember various conversations among Italian relatives in South Philly, and christian conservatives at church that always focused on how easy they thought black people had things, because those people were black.

i am so sick of it. they look at the world out there, like Ferraro did, and when they see black people successful, they automatically think --that guy didn't earn it. SOB's.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:18 AM
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37. And after you give Obama the win
Can you guys PLEASE get to work on kicking Rendell's fat ass out of office?

We'll get rid of Arnie if you do. Promise.

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:23 PM
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23. Right--they made it OK to evaluate him, and reject him, on his skin color.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:21 AM
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39. Bill, Ferraro, Rendell, all blowing the "silent whistle"
and they know exactly what they are doing.

This is why we like Obama, because we are sick of the Clinton's and the
way they keep everyone divided.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:59 PM
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2. Sad and stupid old thinking. This is a very poor campaign.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:10 PM
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7. "Ohio has a lot of hicks" and Pennsylvania's the same?
Thank you for the nasty truth about race-baiting.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:13 PM
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10. Funny how that works, huh?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:17 PM
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15. Ohio and Pennsylvania don't count anyway, I suppose.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:16 PM
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14. Look at the exit polls in Ohio
Race was a big factor in their votes
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:17 PM
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16. I didn't see a category for hicks.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:20 PM
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18. That's my terminology
Did you see 60 minutes? The man who said he was having second thoughts about Obama crystallized my opinion.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:23 PM
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22. Lovely terminology. Do you call West Virginia Democrats hillbillies?
Or do you wait until after they vote for Clinton?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:28 PM
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26. I'm from PA, I have family in Ohio. OH and PA are chock-full of hicks, gun nuts, elderly, and
Eastern/Southern European Catholics. Very suspicious, very tribal, and very reluctant to change their way of thinking, where I'm from.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:30 PM
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27. I hope you canvass for Obama.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:33 PM
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29. Well, I'm in Nebraska now, and they LURVED Obama out here.
In PA...I doubt it. I know of which I speak.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:22 AM
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40. Just like in MS and Obama won that vote 2:1 just as he won the sexist vote 2:1
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:13 PM
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11. I agree with the nasty part
It's how I think of most of these Obama supporter whining posts.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:13 PM
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Just keep saying it until it becomes "fact" -- a familiar tactic---NT
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 11:15 PM by DemGa
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:13 PM
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12. You have no clue what your saying
What do you mean Hillary is bringing Obama's race to the forefront? I think most people knows he's a black man and if they don't know his full name by now then they have had there head in the sand. I believe your calling the residence of Ohio and Pennsylvania backwards racists, and, if that were really true, they sure as hell don't need Hillary to tell them what color he is. Give it a rest. You've been on this racist jag all day long.
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karmicglee Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:15 PM
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13. Wall Street Journal editorial board: Obama playing the race card
The once Obama ally has turned against him:

Is it just us, or does Barack Obama seem a mite too quick to play the race card when facing criticism from political opponents?



http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120536677319031953.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:21 PM
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19. Did You Just Join Today To Cite A Right Wing Rag & Slam A Democrat?
Interesting.
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karmicglee Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:34 PM
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30. You have been slamming a Democrat all day
Hillary Clinton.

More interesting.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:46 PM
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32. Sorry, No. Find One Negative Post About HRC From Me Today- Bet You Can't
:dunce:
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karmicglee Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:49 PM
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33. I just saw like 10
And by the way, how many of anti-Hillary posters have yo condemned today? A wild guess: zero.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:57 PM
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35. Provide A Link To One Or I'm Calling You Out For The Troll That You Are...
Hint; there are none.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:21 PM
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who wrote the piece?
do you know? Seems a little mis-informed doesn't he?

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."


Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:44 PM
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31. That's just a warning from the RW money guys that Obama is not allowed
to defend himself in the future, no matter how nasty and racial the GOP gets against him. That's all that is.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:19 PM
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17. Hillary and Barack are TIED in OH and PA against McCain.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5035202&mesg_id=5035202

Quit dissin' on those states saying they're racist. It doesn't help the Obama campaign in the LEAST.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:21 PM
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20. I'm not saying they're all racist
But there's a good amount of racists within those states.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:23 PM
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21. And a good number of sexists too, I would imagine.
Your stereotyping of OH and PA does NOT help the Obama campaign, so why continue with it?
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:25 PM
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25. I'm not totally sure about Pennsylvania being subtly racist
But my opinion of Ohio is solid. I've been there many times and I know how it works over there.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:31 PM
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28. PA is subtly racist. Have no doubt.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:49 PM
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34. Looks like you got the essence of the Hillary campaign.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:51 AM
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43. character seems to be a more taboo subject than race...
nobody even discusses it...and if it is inferred everyone is up in arms. You can take an aspect of one person such as "bigot" and the whole person becomes bad. To me, character has to do with making decisions in a complicated world...judgment. I think Ferraro and Hillary lack judgment. Is it as easy to have bad outcomes with good intentions as it is to have bad outcomes with bad intentions??? probably not and then you have to look at intentions...so narrow intentions such as winning lead to worse outcomes than broad generalizations such as helping...so naivety is bad to persons with focused intentions ..and then you end-up with a character mish-mash.

aaarrgh I'm tired of hearing about race, sex, class, religion...etcism

character is more important to me

I consider Hillary a cheat and I won't vote for her because I don't trust her judgment.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:28 AM
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44. Right. She's going for the redneck vote. It worked in Ohio. Now on to PA. nt
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