Obama says we are one America yet he attends a Jeremiah Wright's church

[jackson_dem]

What is his defense going to be in the general when the news breaks that his pastor and mentor is a racist and Obama, evidently, had no problem with his rhetoric? If he did he would have went to another church that does not have a racist leader. Wright even attacked Natalee Holloway as a teen white girl who "gives it up" in a foreign nation. His point was legitimate about the racist disparity in media coverage of white victims of crime and minority victims but the quote, and its sexism and racial nature, will be central to the attack on Wright, who believes there is a "white America" which "deserved" 9/11. He also thinks whites control the country (Barack apparently missed the memo). These are the three main quotes that will be killer in the general and then there are Wright's views on Israel, his friendship with Farrakhan, and his trip to Libya to meet with a state sponsor of terrorism Qaddafi of Lockerbie fame...

Can you imagine Hillary or Edwards associating themselves with a church led by such a person? Obviously folks don't agree with everything their religious leader says but you can bet most Democrats would leave a church led by a racist on principle. Surely a self-proclaimed "agent of change" would. Unless...

Obama swiftboated the Clintons on race by portraying them as racist against blacks (notice Hill has refrained from swiftboating Obama as racist against whites or as a sexist, both things would easily secure her the nomination but she is taking the moral high ground.). Hillary went from leading with blacks to now just 10%. If the same happens to Obama regarding whites we are done. How do we win with 10% of the white vote?

[Purveyor]

1. Sean? Sean Hannity...is that you? LOL! eom

[jackson_dem]

3. How politically naive are Obamites?

Wright will be an issue. How will Obama defuse it? Willie Horton had little to do with Dukakis and it killed him. Wright is Obama's mentor and was his pastor for years.

[AX10]

8. Obambots don't want to hear anything bad about their...

candidate.

[Goblinmonger]

21. Yes, but Hillary supporters

are SOOOOOO ready to hear bad things about her.

[BenDavid]

61. I can tolerate anything except the lies told about HRC and usually

all of it comes from obama people. It is going to come a point in time in real time that if anyone says anything against obama they will be labled racist.....but the problem is obama and his campaign were the ones to play the race card first and it was so subtle that many of you so called " I can detect a racist comment" never even equated what obama said in Dec. 2006,“minority candidates have ‘a higher threshold in establishing themselves with voters.’” laughable claim but a shrewd use of the race card to position Obama for future manipulation of the electoral process, and he and his staff played the race card again on January 9, 2008 that ran through the South Carolina primary.

First there was that very upstanding man of contempt jesse jackson jr on 1/9/08 saying that HRC did not care about black folks during Katrina. Hell, maybe jesse jr should have aimed his verbal attack at the mayor of new orleans that did jack shit to help the poor, black or white.

Next came HRC's statement that Martin Luther King’s dream of racial equality was realised only when President Johnson managed to get the 1964 Civil Rights Act through Congress? No more than fact, surely; an attack on Mr Obama’s lack of experience, certainly, but hardly a slur upon King. Mr Obama’s campaign is twisting things so that a comment about any black man is a comment about him, just as any attack on him is an attack on all black people. I ask again: who is playing the race card here?

[jgraz]

103. Who is playing the race card?

You are.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4583736

[bellasgrams]

39. I have been bringing this up occasionally, don't understand a

man running for any office going to a church with it's background. Just the fact that Lewis Farrakhan was honored there and that he made a flowery endorsement of BO should be a wake up call for everyone regardless of race. Farrakhan has been bad news for years. Maybe the Hillary haters here have been listening to Farrakhan speeches. I've also been wondering about his converting to christianity. Was it for political gain? His father was a Muslim polygamist, and his mother an atheist and brought up BO as an atheist. Then when he joins a church he chooses a black church? You would think a man running for office of all the people would attend an open multicultural church.

[jackson_dem]

76. It certainly says Obama has bad judgment. Isn't that his defense for his inexperience?

[anigbrowl]

Naive is the new nigger

(with apologies to African American readers - I think you see the point I'm making about the OP here. Please PM me if it bothers you).

Meantime, maybe you should look up the background on John McCain's religious endorsers.

Personally, I don't find Wright a racist, although he's unabashedly about using contemporary racial contexts to interpret the gospel message. Other than the fact that I'm not Christian any more, I wouldn't feel the least uncomfortable in his church. In fact, I found it an interesting angle on Christianity that I hadn't considered before, closer to my own private views about faith meant to me before I decided to look beyond theistic thinking for my spiritual fulfilment.

Frankly, I think the OP is just a subtly-worded racist argument, of the form 'he's a nice young man and we are impressed by his efforts, but he is only an imitator, after all - he has come to think that by acting like us, he could be one of us.'

:puke:

[votenovember2008]

104. Religious Endorsers

Jeremiah Wright isn't just a religious endorser, he's been Barack's pastor for 20 years. He married him and baptized his children, he needs to repudiate the fact that for 20 years, he apparently supported the following doctrine. I challenge you to read the following and change black to caucasian and tell me that any democrat would not be slaughtered. This pastor seems like the exact opposite of the KKK. One might not choose their endorsers but you do choose your church.

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.

Just a thought!:-(

[JoFerret]

2. Crikey!

.

[SoonerPride]

4. I think now you know why he is ex-Pastor

Not only guilt by association, but guilt by "you once knew this guy who is now batshitcrazy"

um, good luck with that.

[jackson_dem]

6. Why didn't Obama leave the church if he was outraged by his racism?

How many folks go to a church with a racist zealot as the pastor? Exactly...That is the problem.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

11. It's not attendance that's the issue.

Is this the man who brought Barack to Christ?

Attending a church with a wacky pastor is one thing. Citing him as a keystone in your development as a person is another.

[jackson_dem]

13. That too. Look at what happened to the Clintons with blacks when they are called racists

Guess what happens if the same thing is done to Obama with whites, who are three out of four votes...

[QC]

24. Somebody needs to let the church know that he diesn't work there anymore.

http://www.tucc.org/pastor.htm

[Critters2]

105. Because he reached retirement age? nt

[votenovember2008]

106. 20 Years

But he was his Pastor for twenty years. He must have been sleeping in the pew for 20 years. And if you have seen any of the videos on YouTube that seems relatively impossible!

[mcctatas]

5. Unless......?

:puke: the high road seems less and less attainable for hillbots every damn day!

[jackson_dem]

7. Yes! We can HOPE it away

Our party is being taken down the drain by the naive wing of the party.

[judaspriestess]

9. what high road is that?

the same one this hateful pastor is on??

LOL

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[judaspriestess]

18. are you looking in the mirror when you say that?

obama supporters are saints?

[VolcanoJen]

12. I heard John Gibson make this argument on Wingnut Radio just this morning.

Sometimes I like to hear what the nutters are saying, so I thought I'd tune in.

You should call in, jackson_dem. Woulda fit right in.

[jackson_dem]

15. Exactly. Wright will be a huge issue in the general election. What is Obama's defense?

"I didn't agree with what he said but I remained at the church nonetheless. Who among us doesn't go to a church led by a racist?"

[VolcanoJen]

25. Sounds like you'll lead the charge!

Sure, it's an argument. It's a weak-ass argument that appeals to the worst in human beings, but apparently, you find it to be convincing enough to take your own ride on it.

If a Catholic attends a church led by a priest accused to have abused young male members of his congregation, does that disqualify congregation-goers from public office? Sounds stupid, doesn't it? Spirituality is private. The flock is not judged by the actions of the shepherd, not when it comes to religion. Good God, by your logic, Europeans must hate me for living in a nation led by a drunken, reckless, war-mongering fool of a President.

The entire country is burning to the ground, and this is the issue you feel will be huge in the general election? I'm not blowing it off... I know wingnuts love to distract and distort when they have no legs left upon which to stand. I get what you're saying... and maybe you're playing armchair strategist here, but it's a sideline argument that doesn't really fit onto the kitchen table that most Americans will be voting on come November.

[jackson_dem]

26. Apples and oranges. The folks didn't know about that abuse. Obama knew about this

Let's be realistic. Look at what Obama did the Clintons with blacks over a comment on Obama's Iraq record. What do you think the rethugs will do to Obama with whites? How do you win in America with 10% of the white vote?

[VolcanoJen]

32. Obama's going to get 10% of the white vote in November!!???!!

90% of the white vote loves unending war, $4.00 a gallon gasoline, the sinking dollar, no access to credit, stalled wages, skyrocketing prices and defunct American credibility?

You think 90% of white people are going to vote for McCain because of something Obama's preacher said?

You're not even qualified to be an armchair strategist, if that's what you're thinking.

[jackson_dem]

36. Hillary is getting 10% of the black vote after being swiftboated on race by Obama isn't she?

How effective will swiftboating Obama on race be? Maybe he won't fall to 10% but any damage will be magnified since this group represents three out of four voters.

Damn right it will hurt him. It is Obama's preacher and mentor. He said nothing about Wright then. He didn't leave the church. Look at the damage done to the Clintons with blacks when they were swiftboated largely because Bill used the word "fairy tale" regarding Obama's Iraq record. Compare "fairy tale" to Obama-Wright.

[VolcanoJen]

42. You have issues.

The country is moving on without you. I know it's painful, but that's what's happening.

A lot of shit went down between the 2004 election and today, but you're fighting a Rove fight in a Change election.

I can't reach you at this point. I'm not blowing off the issue you brought up, but that's not the issue people will be voting on in November. It might reach, maybe, 5% of the lizard-brainers out there, but even they have looked at the gas prices and smelled the coffee.

I hope you'll be ok, I really do. But I'm growing increasingly concerned with you lot.

[jackson_dem]

45. That is very naive. The election will solely be about the issues.

Democrats are preferred on practically every issue yet McCain leads Obama and Hillary in most polls. Connect the dots...

[VolcanoJen]

49. Seriously, would you like a cup of soup or something?

When's the last time you looked at a state-by-state electoral map poll?

And even if I bought into your bullshit logic, seriously, eight months before an election? My. Wouldn't we have been marching to the conventions with Nominee Clinton and Nominee Giuliani, the day after Super Tuesday?

This election has surprised us at every turn, and is likely to continue doing so. The country is moving on, and leaving your old-world politics behind. I hope you're going to be all right after this all shakes down.

[jackson_dem]

53. More ignorance

The polls will change in the next 8 months. Guess what usually (Carter, Reagan, Dukakis, Bush 00', Kerry) to the "new" candidate of "change" after the other party machine hammers at them... Obama is very weak as a general election candidate and his mentor is one reason why.

You are drinking the kool aid if you bought Obama's lies about a new politics. His campaign uses the same tactics campaigns have used since 1800.

[VolcanoJen]

59. You either own a crystal ball...

.. or a sack full of hellacious weed. Remember all those "Big States" Dukakis and Mondale won, only to have them go completely red in the fall? And I'm the one who is drinking whacky punch?

There's just no hope for you guys, spinning desperately in Bizarro-Ferraro World. Enjoy your travels.

[jackson_dem]

63. Dukakis was a "candidate of change" who once led by 17 points

He won everywhere, blue states, red states, purple states. Yet he lost by 7 points. What happened? I thought early polling doesn't change? Dukakis led by 17. Obama leds by 4-5...

You ignored Carter 76' (led by 35, won by only 2), Bush 00' (led by 11 at this time in 2000 but lost by 0.4), Kerry (led by 8 at this time but lost by 3). Obama is immune to this trend against a candidate who is not in the White House? :eyes:

[VolcanoJen]

65. I was a paid staffer for Michael Dukakis.

And I still adore him. I'd love to tell you what happened, but you wouldn't listen.

Hint: Shitty Campaigner. Kinda like Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

71. Hillary is a bad campaigner? Why is she tied with St. Obama the greatest politician ever?

yeah, and George H.W. Bush was such a great campaigner... :eyes:

Dukakis got "swiftboated" before the term existed on Willie Horton and patriotism...We have another candidate vulnerable on both but let's just "hope" things work out and pretend he isn't vulnerable on William Ayrers and the stupid decision he made to stop wearing a flag lapel pin.

[VolcanoJen]

74. Let the record show that jackson_dem threw the "Lapel Pin" card down, with all chips in.

Get out of my party.

I'm not even being cute, here. You have no earthly idea what you're talking about.

[jackson_dem]

79. You are naive if you think that won't be a general election issue. Ask Dukakis

Obama is too cavalier to realize the political damage that can do to a candidate. Dukakis lost in part over vetoing a bill required the pledge of allegiance.

You are a prime example of the Obama cult: any criticism of Obama's weaknesses must be censored.

[VolcanoJen]

85. Censored? Oh, hell no.

I want you to air this shit in public. No way should this kind of hate-spewed filth go on in private.

I'm all for it. Have any posts left? Give me another. Keep it coming.

[Binka]

102. Kudos Jen

You stomped on this asshole's non existent nuts. Braver than me, I would have told him to go fuck his Hillary paid bullshit artist nonsense with somebody that wanted it up the ass. My new hero. :loveya:

[tabatha]

52. Swiftboated?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-lehr/still-hung-up-on-geraldin_b_91232.html

[jefferson_dem]

34. Sadly, it seems Hillary and her supports have not alternative but to go "scorched earth."

At the moment, this means promoting racial division among Democrats.

[jackson_dem]

38. Yeah, because Hillary has been winning every state that votes on racial lines...

[VolcanoJen]

54. I almost blasted you!

Damn, I'm getting the J-J Dems confused around here. :-)

:hug: JEFFERSON_DEM :hug:

[ampad]

86. It says quite a bit about a person

I agree with you. It says quite a bit about a person that would bring this up with all the crap that is going on in this country. I could turn around and say "Hillary better come out really hard against her Iraq war vote or she is going to lose the election" I'm not talking about saying it was a mistake once but really come out and tell the people she made a mistake and that her judgement was based on politics. I guess because my family is a military family those issues mean more to us than this crazy ass pastor who I know doesn't even preach at said church anymore. I think this is just fake concern in all honesty. I got friends who are worried about their husbands coming home in pine boxes. Most of them are not worried about Obama or Hillary's church or religion. If only we had the luxury to worry about silly wedge issues like most people.

[pdxmom]

14. I cruise the RW hate radio shows every day and Jeremiah Wright

was the topic on every one of them. No breaking news. It's the talking point of the day.

[jackson_dem]

16. That is preaching to the choir. Wait until this hits the msm...

It has gotten some coverage over the past 2 weeks but the real blitz will come in the fall. What will be Obama's defense? If he is swiftboated as racist toward whites we are done. Look at what Obama's swiftboating of the Clintons on race did with blacks. How do we win with 10% of the white vote?

[VolcanoJen]

35. "Obama swiftboated the Clintons on race."

You're living in bizarro-ferraro land. Enjoy your stay.

[jackson_dem]

46. Yeah, which is why the Clintons--for the first time in their careers--are losing the black vote

And badly. 90-10 in MS.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

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Obama has run a dirty, smearing, race baiting campaign

Personal Attacks/Smears/Lies (may overlap with race baiting)

Jesse Jackson Jr. (Obama’s national co-chair) implies Hillary is a racist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

Obama campaign memo that was integral in swiftboating the Clintons on race. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/read-obama-cam...

Obama spokesman continuing the swiftboating of the Clintons on race before South Carolina. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/01...

Obama praising Reagan, using him to attack Bill Clinton. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaoYD7iZG9w

Obama attacks Edwards and Hillary in Iowa for what he would do himself in Nevada. http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/29/53807...

Obama takes a page from Rove and attacks Edwards in Iowa on his strength. http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Obama%20Oppo%20on...

Obama attacks Edwards, using the familiar “Edwards is a phony” meme Obamites used on the netroots. “"Part of the problem John would have in a general election is the issues he's taken on now are not the issues or the things that he said four years ago, which always causes problems in general elections," Obama said of Edwards,”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/29/53852...
(To know what Edwards actually said four years ago read http://home.att.net/~midnightflyer/jednc04.html )

Edwards on Obama’s campaign tactics.
Earlier in the debate (this is what Edwards was alluding to. Obama is replying to Hillary):

St. Obama: But when you comb my 4,000 votes in Illinois, choose one...... try to present it in the worst possible light, that does have to be answered. That does have to be answered.

Later in the debate:

EDWARDS: The question is, why would you over 100 times vote present? I mean, every one of us -- every one -- you've criticized Hillary. You've criticized me for our votes.
OBAMA: Right.
EDWARDS: We've cast hundreds and hundreds of votes. What you're criticizing her for, by the way, you've done to us, which is you pick this vote and that vote out of the hundreds that we've cast.
(APPLAUSE)
http://www.cfr.org/publication/15300 /


David Axlerod, Obama’s top adviser, claimed on television that he could not remember anything Edwards had done in the Senate—even though four years earlier he was listing the great things Edwards had done in the Senate when he was working for Edwards. Is his memory that bad or was he lying?

The Obama campaign smears Bill Clinton with a lie:

We've just obtained an email that shows that the Obama campaign yesterday circulated a negative, and ultimately false, story about Bill Clinton -- that he allegedly made money giving a speech on September 11, 2006.
This email is unusual in that it is flagging something potentially negative not about a primary rival but about the former President -- one who obviously isn't running in the Democratic primary and who remains popular with Dem primary voters.
The email, which was sent out by Jen Psaki of the Obama campaign and circulated to reporters (not us) on an off-the-record basis late yesterday

-snip-
The story spread about Bill ultimately turned out to be false. It ended up on Drudge yesterday, where it was given heavy play for many hours, though there's no proof that it was given to Drudge by the Obama campaign. After Drudge posted it, The Observer's Politicker blog thoroughly debunked the story, pointing out that Bill's schedule proved that he'd actually given the speech the night before, on Sept. 10.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/6/15/13559/6539

The Obamite thread about Hillary included two criticisms Hillary mundane criticisms Hillary leveled against Obama, including one in which she said Obama offers false hope. There is no need to document the countless attacks, usually veiled, that Obama has made on Hillary and to a lesser degree Edwards. We all know it. He does so in almost every speech! Here is a sampling, courtesy of the website http://www.attacktimeline.com /

(Obama went on the attack two days after beginning his “positive” campaign)

02/12/07 HEADLINE: Obama's first salvo targets Hillary Clinton


06/15/07 Obama campaign pushes opposition research falsely accusing Bill Clinton of giving paid speech on 9/11/06.


06/16/07 Obama campaign pushes opposition research referring to Hillary as ‘(D-Punjab).’ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

07/27/07 HEADLINE: Obama likens Hillary to Bush; Hints at poor foreign policy
http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-6788300/Obama-l...

10/12/07 Obama says Hillary is leading 'because she's Hillary Clinton as opposed to Hillary Rodham.'
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID...

10/11/07 Obama accuses Hillary of trying to 'massage the past.'
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/11/sitroom....

10/12/07 Obama campaign says it questions 'what principles, if any' Hillary has.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/th...

10/13/07 Obama says Hillary is willing to 'go along with Bush policies.'


10/15/07 Obama says Hillary is 'the most calculating politician in this race.'
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2007/10/15/most-p...

10/28/07 Obama says Hillary believes 'you should hedge and dodge and spin, but at all costs, don't answer.'
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/51280c12-85aa-11dc-8170-00007...

10/30/07 Obama chief strategist: Hillary 'has a special-interest obsession.' http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21536415

10/30/07 Obama says Hillary 'has not been truthful and clear.'
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21528787/page/13 /

11/01/07 Obama chief strategist says Hillary passes 'everything through a political calculator' and is not 'forthright.' http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na...


11/01/07 Obama campaign said Hillary 'offered more of the same Washington political calculation and evasion.'
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/campaign-call-revea...

11/02/07 Obama said Hillary has 'one position one day and one position another day.'


11/07/07 HEADLINE: Obama: Clinton flip-flops on energy
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?...

11/14/07 Obama surrogate Larry Tribe: ' not really a phony, though she plays one on TV.' http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2007...

11/18/07 HEADLINE: Obama accuses Clinton campaign of mud-slinging with Novak column
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/1...

11/27/07 Obama Mocks Hil 1st Lady Role


12/18/07 Obama Hits Hillary In New Hampshire Mailer
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/12...

12/21/07 Obama Camp Registers Anti-Clinton Web Sites
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4036024

12/18/07 Clinton makes nice, but Obama questions her character
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/071218/usa/us_vote2008_c...

12/27/07 'Barack Obama's right hand man thinks may have had something to do' with Bhutto's assasination.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blo...

12/27/07 Obama's campaign links Bhutto's assasination with Hillary's 'different judgment'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1207/Obamas_Paki...

12/27/07 Obama links Bhutto's assassination to politicians like Hillary who 'have not made particularly good judgments.'
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007...

12/28/07 Obama's campaign says Bhutto's assasination was 'yet another manifestation' of Hillary's poor judgment.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7590.html

01/09/08 Obama supporter calls Hillary one of the ‘guardians of the status quo.’


01/10/08 Obama supporter mocks Hillary’s teary moment and says ‘don’t cry’ to Obama.
] http://www.nypost.com/seven/01102008/news/regionalnews/... /

01/10/08 Obama supporter doubts Hillary’s sincerity and says ‘those tears have to be analyzed.’
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/01/10/200...

01/11/08 Obama supporter suggests Hil’s tears were crocodilian.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/01/11/2008-01-...

01/18/08 Obama suggests Hillary was not truthful and was 'willing to say anything to get elected.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...

01/18/08 Michelle Obama says Hillary represents 'the same old thing over and over again'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/20...

01/18/08 John Kerry says Hillary uses ‘the kind of politics I expect from the other party.'http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/18/m-Kerry/#/O... /

01/21/08 Obama accuses Hillary of being 'willing to say anything to get elected.'http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/21/debate.transcrip...

Yesterday: Obama releases a lying ad in Wisconsin. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hU0EWZcx3NAS1qa1M6s7...

For months: Obama has lied about his plan being universal, aside from a short interlude of honest which disappeared as soon as Iowa and New Hampshire approached.

Race Baiting

Everyone thinks race became an issue in January. In fact is was introduced into the race in November by the Obamas. Remember this was at a time when Hillary looked bulletproof in Nevada and led big in New Hampshire. Obama was in a close three way battle in Iowa (this was before Edwards faded in Iowa, only to recover late but it was not enough). He needed to build a firewall in South Carolina. The exit poll from the South Carolina primary makes it very obvious how he did it.

November 12, 2007:

With polls showing African-Americans have yet to give overwhelming support to White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), his wife Michelle said "black America will wake up and get it" in an interview running on MSNBC on Monday. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/12/michelle-obama...
(this was at a time Obama was in the 40’s with black voters in an eight candidate field. Clearly his wife expected him to get well more than the 40’s and we now know what tactics they used to go from the 40’s to the mid to high 80’s)

Obama supporter Charles Barron, a NYC councilman, (November 2007): “Why wouldn’t black people support a black candidate who is ready to lead America?" http://www.observer.com/2007/obama-celeb-supporters-ups...

November 30, 2007. Obama supporter Chris Rock at a Harlem event:
A few minutes later, the comedian Chris Rock picked up on that theme. “You’d be really embarrassed if he won and you wasn’t with him,” Rock said. He altered his voice to comic affect. “‘I had that white lady. What was I thinking? What was I thinking?’” http://www.observer.com/2007/obama-celeb-supporters-ups...
Jesse Jackson Jr. implies Hillary is a racist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7ndAA

Obama campaign memo that was integral in swiftboating the Clintons on race. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/read-obama-cam...

Obama spokesman continuing the swiftboating of the Clintons on race before South Carolina. http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/01...

Jesse Jackson Jr. playing the race card to win over superdelegates. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/2/14/225232/180

In an interview, Cleaver offered a glimpse of private conversations.

He said Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. of Illinois had recently asked him "if it comes down to the last day and you're the only superdelegate? ... Do you want to go down in history as the one to prevent a black from winning the White House?

[tabatha]

60. You have thrown the kitchen sink of links -

many of them not about race, many of them from Obama supporters.

Why don't you just break it down to something simple, direct and that proves your point.

Do you think anyone has the time to wade through all of this - most of which is irrelevant.

[katandmoon]

17. Because Obama is a sacred cow

[0007]

19. This is Bill O'Reilly stuff and only fit for FUAX News.

jackson_dem are you hitting on all four? As the first poster said, he believes you are Sean Hannity.

[uponit7771]

20. What has he said that was racist?!?!?! My Goodness! Do you know what racist is?!?!

...racist is NOT stating facts about a situation or talking about racial issues k?

[jackson_dem]

27. He said "white America" (what happened to 1 America?) "deserved" 9/11

That doesn't qualify but saying Obama's Iraq myth is a fairy tale does? :wtf:

[GarbagemanLB]

30. Wow! I didn't know his pastor spoke for him! Where are these press briefings this guy is giving?

[LadyVT]

22. Search on youtube under Obama and mentor. (link)

a speech from Obama's "Spiritual Advisor." Appalling IMO. See what you think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPjVp3PLnVs

(it has been posted up and taken down all day, so if it's not there, you will have to search)

[jackson_dem]

31. Wait until Wright's racist 9/11 comments hit the msm...

If you folks that the swiftboating of the Clintons with blacks was something just wait until Obama is swiftboated in the general as being racist against 75% of voters. How do you win with 10-15% of the white vote?

[GarbagemanLB]

43. Hannity and Colmes and Hannity's America has been covering it for weeks. Nothing there, but nice try

[jackson_dem]

48. What are the ratings for Fox "News"?

Wait until it hits the night newscasts and the major papers...

[VolcanoJen]

62. Obama flew the plane into the World Trade Center.

By the time you're done spinning, that's what the Bizarro-Ferraro people will claim.

Shit, who needs Hannity when we've got you? Worst Person In The World!

[jaysunb]

23. Sunday Morning : the most racist time in America.

Black churches serve an entire different purpose than others. Maybe if you understood the community a little better you'd see this a lot different.

But don't worry, we'll continue to be blind loyalist and keep our feelings to ourselves as not to offend.....:evilfrown:

[jackson_dem]

28. That won't cut it as a general election defense

I agree fully with Sunday morning being the most racist time btw.

[scheming daemons]

29. Do you agree with everything your pastor says or does?

[jackson_dem]

40. I am not a member of any religious organization

But if I were a member of a church with a racist pastor damn right I would walk out and find another church asap...

Obamites are confusing the merits of this with the political issue. No one has offered a realistic defense Obama could use in the general.

[scheming daemons]

82. Obama offered a perfect "excuse": "I disagree with a lot of his viewpoints, but he is a friend."

...

[loveangelc]

33. Will you ever stop your disgusting race-baiting posts? Fuck.

[VolcanoJen]

37. No.

This has been another edition of Easy Answers to Simple Questions.

:hi:

:hug: loveangelc :hug:

[jackson_dem]

41. Good point. Obama could have stood up and said something like that to Wright

He didn't. He remained silent and keep attending his church. His silence may amount to approval. It certainly will in the minds of many when the rethugs swiftboat Obama as racist against whites in the general. Remember what happened the Clintons when they were swiftboated as racist against blacks by Obama? They went from leading to 10-15%. How is Obama going to win with 10-15% of the white vote?

[ingac70]

47. 10-15% of the white vote? You pull percentages out your ass. n/t

[jackson_dem]

51. That is the percentage Clinton is getting of the black vote after being swiftboated as racist

[SemiCharmedQuark]

56. My grandma is racist, and I wouldn't say that to her.

Not because I don't disagree with her vehemently, but because I've known her most of my life and respect her. I don't respect her racism and I calmly urge her away from her racist views, but the very next day, she'll be saying the same crap. I don't avoid her, I enjoy the time spent with her. She raised me from the age of 3. I would say she had an influence on my life. However, I would never hire her as an adviser to me in any way. Certainly, her ignorant and racist views do not represent my views.

I guess my point is, you can respect, love and admire a person, even if they have hideous ideas. The pastor wasn't in Obama's campaign. If he was in the campaign, I would absolutely agree with you.

[jackson_dem]

66. His defense will be: "I oppose his racism but I respect him"

How will that play with swing voters?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

70. That reflects more on the swing voters, and less on Obama.

[jackson_dem]

73. So you are comfortable with four years of a President McCain?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

78. So we should just vote on who is most electable

Im going to vote for the candidate that I think is best.

I think if he presents it in such a fashion, people will be able to relate to it. I think just about all of us have a crazy relative that we love, but completely disagree with.

[jackson_dem]

80. We should take into account electability

McCain in the White House would be a disaster.

[votenovember2008]

107. Respect

I can understand you respecting your grandmother, we do not choose our families, but we do choose the friends we associate with. I'm just thinking, would you associate with a congregation that espouses the following. I think not, I would hope you would walk out and find a church that believe that we are all one.

"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community." Trinity United Church of Christ - Chicago

[tabatha]

58. He was not silent.

[jackson_dem]

64. What did he say? "Present"?

[dchill]

72. Uh - he did. Months ago. Get away from this disgusting...

frame. You KNOW who has initiated the race-baiting in this campaign, but you make excuses and go right into projection. I call on YOU to reject and denounce yourself. Obama has never swiftboated the Clintons, and you know it. Projection.

[loveangelc]

84. Since when does Obama get 10-15% of the white vote?

if he only is receiving 10-15% WHY is he beating McCain? Just the black vote?

dumbass.

[cooolandrew]

44. you can't go through life and not come across objectionable people butyou don'thave 'em on the stum

stump.

[tishaLA]

50. I'm really sickened by these criticisms of Obama's church

Because it is a very progressive church and it is rooted in the Liberation Theology movement that informed much of the anti-fascist movement in Central and South America in the 70s and 80s until Popoe John Paul II shut the movement down. Obama's church's progressivism on issues like LGBT rights, women's rights, community involvement, and economic bifurcation are things that I THOUGHT characterized the best of progressivism.

I know that I have never agreed 100%--or even 90%--with any rabbi who has led a congregation to which I belonged, and I think a great number of Catholics would be hard pressed to try to explain away the differences they have with their church on things like the Iraq war and contraception. But we would never seriously ask Catholics to provide a point by point refutation of their church, nor should we ask Sen Obama to do anything similar. Nor would we ask members of the Greek Orthodox (or Armenian Orthodox, etc.) church to defend segregating themselves in their worship--something Sen Obama's church doesn't do, BTW--or accuse them of racism or ethnic supremacy.

Progressives attack Sen Obama's church at their peril. Many, many African Americans belong to similar churches, especially in urban areas. Is that something we want to do? Let's leave it to the republicons....and then let's defend the progressive values, if not all the words, that underscore the church's general ethos.

[jackson_dem]

57. How about we nominate someone who doesn't have a racist pastor?

Obama is a weak general election candidate and Wright is one reason why.

[tishaLA]

67. That's unresponsive to anything I wrote

If you want to pursue this scorched earth policy, we will all, as a nation, face the consequences. If Hillary wins the nomination, it will alienate a large number of African American voters; if Sen Obama does, it will increase the racial divisiveness that is already out of hand. Either way, we assure a McCain victory. And that is far worse than any minister who doesn't preach a message of false inclusion.

[jaysunb]

83. You're full of it !

there hasn't been a poll yet that shows Obama losing to ANY republican.

[jaysunb]

81. Good post.

I tried to address this in my post ( # 23 ), but I don't think it will matter to many.

[Cant trust em]

55. another sorry grasp from the hand of desperation

Your candidate is dying politically and character defamation of Obama is not going to change that.

[Name removed]

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[VolcanoJen]

69. It's starting to shake down that way, sadly.

I'm getting dizzy.

[jackson_dem]

75. The racist vote went more than 2:1 for Obama just yesterday

As did the sexist vote by the same margin...

[jackson_dem]

77. McCain "spirtual adviser": "destroy Islam"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3000665

This and Hagee. If we run Hillary we can use these two things against McCain. If we run Obama Wright hurts us more than hagee and Parsley hurts McCain.

[VotesForWomen]

87. O-babies are cluess about how this stuff is going to play in the GE. nt

[GoldieAZ49]

88. check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM

[anonymous171]

89. Former pastor genius

[Cameron27]

91. Rev. Wright

was Obama's spirtual advisor, so I don't know why it matters that he retired. I just saw the video for the first time and it's disgusting. It's not controversial, it's hate mongering.

[blogslut]

90. So Wright is a racist because he speaks of white oppression?

How is that racist exactly?

[Cameron27]

92. It's mysogynistic,

what he said about Hillary was disgusting.

[blogslut]

93. Explain how?

Ms. Clinton is a wealthy white woman who has no idea what it is like to grow up with a high melanin content. She does not know what that life is like. What did he say that was misogynistic?

[jackson_dem]

95. What he said about Holloway wasn't sexist?

[blogslut]

97. Holloway?

Do tell, I missed that. Another quote perhaps?

[jackson_dem]

98. Read the OP

[blogslut]

100. I would prefer a text of the speech

Not cherry-picked words wrapped in scare quotes.

EDIT ADD: Nevermind. I found it. I can see why you wouldn't want to attribute the sources, Wingnut Daily-Town Hall.

Did it ever occur to you that the term "give it up" also refers to death as in "give up the ghost?"

[Cameron27]

96. "She does not know what life is like."

I'm done, I won't debate this nonsense with you. Unfortunately, Obama will also be done when the GOP is finished using the Reverend's comments against him.

[blogslut]

99. Okay

Be done. You know it's true. I'm a white woman and I know it's true.

I have absolutely no concept of what it is like to be black or brown. However, I do have the ability to recognize that there are privileges allowed to me because my skin is pale and my hair is straight.

So, be done with me. That won't change the fact that what I say is true.

[jackson_dem]

94. How is Obama leading if Wright's claims are accurate?

So you believe America, or at least the white portion, "deserved" 9/11 (as if only whites were killed on 9/11 :eyes: ) like Wright?

[writes3000]

101. I don't like Wright or his statements but your posts are out of control.

When almost everything you post is an extreme, exaggeration taken to the hilt, it's time to take a breath and get some perspective.

I will look further into Wright and Obama's past and recent relationship with him. Obama will probably be questioned about him. It may hurt him. It may not. We will soon see.

But your extremist posts do little to convince anyone of anything beyond those that already side with you. Just my opinion.

[undeterred]

108. As a white person who occasionally attended Wright's church

when I lived in Chicago- I certainly didn't have that impression of him (Wright). I had black friends from work who went there and since it was the same denomination I belonged to (UCC) I visited a few times, including on Christmas. Sure it was a different culture, and the sermons were directed towards the needs and issues of the black community but I never felt that there was any hatred towards white people. This was long before 2001 but I have a feeling things are being blown out of proportion. I also expect that Obama, being a very busy person who travelled quite a bit, wasn't exactly a regular church attender. He probably wasn't keeping track of the pastor's foibles.

Farrakhan is another story. I lived in Hyde Park for many years and for a while I was about a block away from his complex of buildings. He totally creeps me out. His bodyguards used to wait in cars with their lights off on the exit from Lake Shore Drive so you would almost run into them. He hates whites and blacks who disagree with him and makes no secret of it.