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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:01 PM
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I think the DNC, the states, and the candidates should hammer out the Florida/Michigan vote.
I see Sen. Clinton rallying for whatever the hell she wants to do today because it's changed so much, and her minions bringing her talking points here, but really reaching to try beat up on Barack over this.

He apparently is the only one that respects process and follows the rules. Hillary, not so much.

Can you blame the guy for being a little nervous about a re-vote in the state where the 2000 election fell off the back of a truck ending in a judicial coup d'etat?

So, the fair thing would be to let them hammer it out. Wait, did I say fair? Nevermind.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:06 PM
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1. I am not a Hillary OR an Obama supporter at this point
I am a Dem nominee supporter

So, I think that FL and MI voters should have a revote if at all possible.

It wouldn't be fair to seat the delegates from the earlier elections because people knew that their vote may not count. Obama wasn't even on the ballot in MI.

But not to give FL or MI any say at all in who the nominee is doesn't seem right either, especially since neither Hillary nor Obama has enough delegates to win the nomination.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:09 PM
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2. I guess I cringe when I see the Clinton campaign being assisted by the GOP.
I don't trust the GOP as far as I could throw any of them, and this unholy alliance makes me very nervous.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:15 PM
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4. Did I miss something?
What had the GOP to do with this issue?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:18 PM
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8. concerns about a re-vote in Florida
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:16 PM
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6. But not to give FL or MI any say at all...since neither has enough delegates to win
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 10:17 PM by DJ13
You do realize that if those two states revote the total delegates needed to win the nomination increases, dont you?

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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:14 PM
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3. Hammer
There is nothing to "hammer out," and the candidates should absolutely not be involved at all. Those states know what they have to do to remedy the situation. The ball is in their court.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:18 PM
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7. No, I meant hammer out
so I will consider your "correction" how you would have phrased it. 'kay?

In my opinion a successful resolution will be cobbling together a plan that succeeds in not pissing someone off.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:16 PM
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5. He respects the rules
when it benefits him. Trying to finagle a caucus in Michigan, that was laughable.

A re-vote is the only fair solution, and let the votes fall where they may..............

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

Anything else would be a tainted victory!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:22 PM
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10. They ALL agreed to the disposition of Florida and Michigan 18 months ago.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 10:23 PM by AtomicKitten
It is Hillary that is reconsidering a decision she made and a plan she agreed to already as in a done deal. It was only when she realized she is losing and the math ain't looking good for her that this became a cause celebre for her and you. 'kay.

My point is a truly "fair" solution can really only be reached by the players involved. It doesn't help when candidates' supporters get involved, particularly in a place like DU.

But, hey, you go on with your bad self and make this yet another issue to be ugly over.
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laugle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:30 PM
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12. Snark...........
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:34 PM
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13. I agree: Demonizing Howard Dean and Barack over this is really disingenuous.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 10:34 PM by AtomicKitten
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:19 PM
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9. having the votes as is in MI is not fair to Obama since his name wasn't on ballot
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:26 PM
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11. Neither contest was fair.
Michigan for the obvious reason you stated, and both states because Barack didn't campaign and he's the new kid. Also, and more importantly and I hope the HRC people are listening up, many Dems in Florida didn't vote because they thought it would be a waste of time since it was announced well in advance they had lost their certification.

It's a sticky wicket to be sure, but I guess my point is that it is rather disingenuous for Sen. Clinton's people to attack Barack for simply deferring to the DNC and following the rules that have been set forth. But, hey, that never stopped them before.
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