Dem in Miami today said to remind Dean that they only thought they would lose "half" the delegates.

[madfloridian]

This is in large part why the Democratic leaders here so knowingly went along with the GOP to move up the primary. Few said it out loud, but most just sort of winked and nodded...hey, we can handle losing only half. Don't worry about it.

Howard Dean was at a fundraiser in Miami today for the party. As usual, there are Democrats who want to announce loudly that they are not going, will not go, unless they get their way. Most really think he has his nerve to come to Florida anyway. Here is what one person said to tell him because she refused to go to the fundraiser.

Not in attendance: former state Rep. Elaine Bloom, a Miami Democrat who say's she's "very upset" with the state's outsider status and has told friends to remind Dean that when the state Legislature was looking at moving up the primary, that the threat on the table from the DNC was the loss of half the state's delegates.

"And that's what we ought to go back to," she said, noting that the national Republican party punished Florida in that fashion, stripping the state of just half its delegates. Florida lost all its delegates for participating in the early primary, which violated the national party's rules.

Miami Herald blog

Remind him that you thought you would only lose half. That is amazing. The party has been nearly broken as you guys have put Governor Dean up to scorn and ridicule....the irony is that he was not even at that rules committee meeting. They did their job, and he backs them up. That is how a party should work.

Other party leaders felt that way back then. Disrupting the system meant nothing to them, they felt they would only lose half, and they wanted to be in the media spotlight the week before Super Tuesday.

Florida was not your usual case that came before the rules committee of the DNC. Sure, there have been other states that tried, but none so blatantly. They made no pretense of even being honest about it. The party leaders went before the rules committee in August 2007, and they pretended they had been victims of the GOP here in this state.

The sad part is that the DNC rules committee had done its homework. They had a lot of information on how Florida had pulled some pretty bad stuff. They had transcripts of some exchanges on the floor of the legislature. They knew the state had made no effort to stand up to the Republicans in the legislature. That was all that was required for Democrats in an Republican controlled state to keep their delegates....stand up to them and oppose the bill.

Florida chose to go before the committee and pretend. They were caught in the act.

Laughter and sarcasm on the senate floor

Senator Geller presented an amendment to keep the senate from moving the primary ahead of February 5th. Here is the partial floor transcript of how it was done.

The DNC members had handouts that included quotes by House Minority leader Dan Gelber brushing off Howard Dean, and the following transcript of Steve Geller making the motion to move the primary to Feb. 5:

Geller: "...So the Democratic leader and the Democratic leader pro tem are jointly making this motion, which we will duly show them later, that we tried not to have the election on, um, before (Feb. 5).

President: "And so Sen. Geller are you urging a negative vote or would you like us to pass this vote?"

Geller: "Oh no sir. We really, really want this. Don't we senator? (sarcasm and audible laughter in chamber).

Did you see that? Geller said it was just to be able to show the DNC they made an effort. The wink wink nod nod did not work because the DNC knew they had been working with Jeb's buddy, House Speaker Marco Rubio since early 2006.

Here is the video about that meeting where the sanctions were given. There is an article accompanying the video. It is from August 2007.

DNC Panel: Florida's Primary Is Too Soon

Ignoring an impassioned plea from Florida Democrats — and the fact that their party's eventual presidential nominee could render their effort moot — a Democratic National Committee panel voted to strip Florida of all its delegates to the party's 2008 national convention unless it backs away from a plan to hold a presidential primary on Jan. 29 in violation of DNC rules.

Here is the sad part, where they pretended they had tried.

A three-person delegation representing Florida's Democratic Party said Republicans had forced the primary on them, despite their taking "provable, positive steps" to block the legislation.

Unfortunately the rules committee was prepared with transcripts.
They had been reaching out to Florida leaders for months, and they had been ignored and even ridiculed.

Now we have a lawsuit pending Monday, which the plaintiff has said he will take to the Supreme Court in the expectation of deciding the election.

There is division among us here. We have had friends get angry because we questioned what Florida did. The offer by Dean to have a revote is being met by flips and flops and more demands from state leaders.

It has angered the other 48 states, and it has caused the supporters of the candidates to be filled with bitterness toward each other.

Yesterday would have been the original primary date for Florida. The sniping got worse then and continues. I think they realize the enormity of what they did, and they don't know how to fix it.

Tell Governor Dean we only thought we would lose half the delegates? That statement says it all.

[madfloridian]

1. Florida House leader admits they did not try to fight the GOP..blames Dean

for causing problems. It is amazing, it really is.

Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP

Of course we didn't fight against the bill. When the Republican leadership made it clear that this was their priority, Democrats had two choices: support something their constituents support and that was going to become law anyway; or support the DNC Rules Committee enforcement of a primary system that our constituents revile. For me, this decision was easy.

Here is more from the pdf version of his letter. It shows a skewed version of the events.

Today, toe-tapping Republicans with their excesses and over-reaching, are imploding on the national stage. Leave it to Democrats to create a distraction born out of a nuanced disagreement over some arcane party rule. The truth is our disagreement today isn't about some principled belief as the primary schedule is hardly premised on some inviolate notion of fairness. On all things important – protecting public education, providing quality health care, defending the middle class – we are in lock step.

So let's try to avoid creating another "ooops I did it again" moment, and focus on positioning our party for a 2008 victory. You can be certain that the Republicans view our flare-up as a welcomed opportunity to gain an Election Day advantage. We should all be cognizant of that, and make sure, whatever we do and say, that winning in November remain our priority.

It was the Florida Democrats who created the "oops" moment. They organized the bloggers and notified the media it was the fault of the DNC.

They have never admitted they did the wrong thing.

[Me.]

38. Wasserman-Schultz (?)

Tried to make the argument on Faux that they had to vote for the bill because it had a provision for paper ballots. What I don't understand, and wish someone would ask, is why they (the dems) didn't try to include some type of amendment. That would have given them a legit out. But lets dace it, they knew what they were doing and didn't give a damn. They thought they would only lose half their delegates? So does that mean it didn't matter to them if half the people who voted in their state were disenfranchised? Also, my impression is that in the beginning they were winning the PR campaign, but as this has been playing out they are, more and more, being exposed as duplicitous hijackers of the election process.

[Dr.Phool]

2. They only thought they'd lose Obama's half of the delegates.

[madfloridian]

3. I can remember talking to some of the leaders who were pushing this.

They were so casual. It was like just don't worry, half is not a problem.

And the effing nerve of the Democratic leaders here who refuse to attend fundraisers when Dean comes here....they have to announce it loudly.

[roguevalley]

51. makes you wonder who the dipshits here were, Dean or the dimwits

that put us in this position. Damn, I wish Florida and Michigan had followed the rules.

[madfloridian]

12. Did you know FL and MI lost a lot of bonus delegates?

Think they will try to reclaim them if there is mail-in?

I did not realize this.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=868

"“If MI or FL had moved their caucus or primary to a date later than it was in 2004, they would have received a bonus. The bonus is calculated as a percentage of the elected delegates (‘base delegation’): 10% for moving to March, 20% for April and 30% for May/June. This was a generally futile attempt to prevent front-loading.

“If MI/FL had done this during the 30-day period when they were allowed to correct their non-compliant plans, it would have been automatic. Now that they have to petition the Rules and Bylaws committee for permission to correct their plans, there will be discussion of whether it is fair to reward them with a bonus for returning to compliance with the rules at this late date.”

"Given that the bonus delegates were intended “to prevent front-loading,” Michigan and Florida Democrats – even if they do schedule legitimate June primaries or caucuses – don’t seem to have much of a case to now ask for the bonus delegates, given their efforts to engage in the very kind of front-loading that the rules set out to deter.

What have they lost? Here’s the math:"

You need to read it. They lost a lot.

[madfloridian]

4. Not just Florida...for ages the LGBT community is suing and playing it publicly.

It is disgusting to me to see this lawsuit against the DNC being played out in public. They attack some really good people. I know some backstory, and much of this is just plain undeserved and ugly.

Our party does not deserve the good people we have trying to make a difference.

Florida is trying to undermine, Michigan is as well. Now the gay community is dragging good names through the mud right out in public and not in the courtroom. The DNC under Dean has been totally silent, and they have NOT done this publicly.

There is more to this lawsuit than meets the eye. It is going to hurt the whole party, taking up money needed for the election.

http://pageoneq.com/news/2008/blade_dnc031208.html

It makes me sick.

Hillary's campaign is trying to hurt the reputation of a good and classy man because she wants the presidency badly enough to do anything.

It is like a planned effort to divide from all sides and from all corners. Planned to divide.

[madfloridian]

6. If you read the article...and you should...there is a mention of Dean's wrath.

I have Dean's comments somewhere. They were defending DNC leader Leah Daughtry, a very fine Christian, and head of the convention committee.

Dean reminded them that they were not playing the lawsuit out in public, and he strongly took up for Leah when they publicly accused her of anti-gay bias..

Wrath? That's wrath? We donate quite a bit to the DNC, and when they are constantly being sued, maybe I can post more about the lawsuit when they attack unfairly on line.

[madfloridian]

8. In case one does not want to read it...perhaps you should.

I feel so sad this is happening, and they have taken this lawsuit public every step of the way.

"Kimmett told PageOneQ that the visit he and Connolly paid to Naff's office was not related to the Hitchcock case and that they were not representatives of the Democratic National Committee or the case's named defendants. In the lawsuit, attorney Joe Sandler represents the DNC.

"This is another effort to escape accountability," Hitchcock's attorney Lynne Bernabei said earlier today. "These statements are made from the same whole cloth that has Howard Dean lying to the LGBT community about what he will support and then betraying that trust in back rooms."

Explaining that he will not be intimidated by the visit and meeting, Naff writes: "Of course, to suggest that the Blade would abandon a story because a couple of angry lawyers made a scene in the lobby constitutes wishful thinking. One thing every journalist learns early on is that when people start yelling and making threats, that means you're onto something."

Contacted by PageOneQ for comment, DNC spokesman Damien LaVera explained that the Committee does not comment on current litigation.

The entire editorial will be posted late Thursday evening or early Friday morning at the Washington Blade website: http://www.washingtonblade.com"

I think the DNC is being classy...they only respond in court.

I am very angry about this. I am going to start speaking out about it.

[Cha]

5. hilary's half..that's too bad for

hilary but better for our country.

[UALRBSofL]

7. I just want to say the DNC could determine what penalty they wanted

They could have stripped half the delegates but Dean decides to strip florida of all it's delegates and sends Donna Brizille to do his dirty work. For the record, stripping all the delegates instead of half was Dean's decision.

[Debi]

37. It was a very real option for the DNC rules and by-laws committee

and the FL legislators should have considered it.

Laughing in the face of the Chair and the governing body of the national party isn't helpful for anyone.

[MaineDem]

63. I doubt if it was Dean's decision

It was the Party's Rules & Bylaws Committee that made the ruling.

Where is your proof?

[anamandujano]

9. So, I guess this means he's afraid of a re-vote in Florida too.

Internal polling?

[madfloridian]

10. I have no clue who you mean is afraid of a revote.

I do know that it is Hillary's superdelegates causing the huge problems we have.

I am quickly learning to despise Hillary, and I never did before. What has been done in my state is shameful

[madfloridian]

11. I posted this because people are accusing the DNC of not following rules.

Let me see, who was it not following the rules? Who was it willing to accept the loss of half the delegates to have me firsties?

Were they working and meeting with Michigan all along as well.

This is why all of Florida's delegates were taken away. Because losing half meant nothing. Because they did not tell the truth to the rules committee and they were found out.

[sybylla]

46. And I thank you for it, Madfloridian

You've been the sane voice through this entire debacle. If it weren't for your informative posts, the lies and the scorn would stick.

The more that comes out, the more disgusted I am by the whole thing. I'm beginning to think there should be no second chance at selecting delegates until the Dem leadership in Florida and Michigan come out and apologizes for their own tactics in this. It's one thing to go against the rules. It's another thing entirely to try to bury the DNC leadership simply to cover your own asses.

Please keep up the excellent work. :toast:

[madfloridian]

65. Your statement is quite true.

""It's one thing to go against the rules. It's another thing entirely to try to bury the DNC leadership simply to cover your own asses."

[madfloridian]

13. More from the article:

""I am a person that believes in rules, and believes in procedures, because I don't believe in chaos," former U.S. Rep. Karen Thurman, chairwoman of the Florida Democratic Party, said after the vote. "But at the same time, I still believe the rules that were written, and the ones that we highlighted, specifically say that if you put provable and positive steps, and you can prove that, that in fact, there should be at least an obligation to look at what they can do instead of imposing."

But many members of the committee said Florida Democrats had not proven they did all they could to prevent the date change and, regardless, the DNC had to enforce the rules to preserve some sense of order to a process that has become increasingly front-loaded.

James Roosevelt Jr., the committee's co-chair, said the legislative record demonstrates their point. "It makes it clear that the Republicans were the moving force behind the selection of a date that violated both the Democratic and Republican rules, but the efforts to oppose that were form over substance," he said."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/25/politics/main3204004.shtml

[Hissyspit]

14. So help me out here. Some in Florida wanted to move the primary ahead because they

wanted to have greater influence on the nomination process, and now, with the loss of delegates, which was an outcome unforeseen or without alarm and warning, they have no influence at all, but if they had kept the Florida primary on its original date, Florida voters might have possibly, actually, more than likely, swung the nomination back over to Hillary, thus having, postulatively, the most critical influence of all in this election?

Am I figuring this right?

[writes3000]

15. Yep, you've got it. Ironic as hell, right? n/t

[Hissyspit]

18. Correction: I meant an "outcome NOT unforseen."

Edit lime limit is up, so I can't fix that in post.

[Catherina]

21. Yes. More dishonest manouvering n/t

[madfloridian]

22. Exactly.

March 11, 2008, the day that will live in Florida infamy.

[Hissyspit]

33. Thanks, madfloridian. I was waiting to see what you had to say.

It looks not so much ironic, now, as bone-headed.

[madfloridian]

34. But the June 3 day they submitted today...makes them the decider again.

I want to think it is coincidental, that they always get to be in that position. Only Montana and South Dakota are on that day with Florida. And the angry campaigns will continue until at least then.

[struggle4progress]

16. "Who knew hookin up with th'Pubs to kick our National Party in th'nutz would piss folk off?"

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. its the Super Delegates they are excited over

how do you divide them up evenly? They aren't committed.

[tsuki]

19. Spin. Spin. Spin.

This spin may play well with the retirees, but the business owners know who to blame for the loss of revenue that a primary election would produce. They are looking at the shot in the arm to the economy that $100 million dollars would have produced in these hard economic times. The newspapers and local TV stations come to mind, as well as restaurants, hotels and motels, and convention centers.

And in a state that has a repressive attitude toward small business, where more BS rules fly out of Tallahassee, where code enforcement officers have handguns and pursuit light and bang on little old ladies' doors to threaten them with dire consequences and mega-fines for having a 'garage sale' sign on the side of the road, where "the rooles are the rooles," where there is zero tolerance, to claim ignorance of the DNC rules is STOO-PID.

I remember when the Democratic Party brought Dean to Destin to give him "what-for." They jacked the price of the tickets up so high that supporters were shut out. We were forced to stand outside.

The Florida Democratic Party wants to return to bankruptcy? Let them. No more cash from me. I support the candidates that the Florida Democratic Party won't, like Raul Martinez.

This BS would work on Republicans, and maybe that's where these people really belong.

[madfloridian]

20. Good points...speaking of Florida party bankruptcy....who bailed them out in 2005?

Yeh, right. Dean did.

[tsuki]

48. They think that the mail in vote will get them out of hot water. No

one wants the expense, and what is the point.

[leftcoastie]

23. It's a twofer;

They can complain about Hillary should be able to take all her votes to the convention and at the same time they (DLC dems) can blame Dean for the fiasco and have him ousted after HRC steals the nomination.

[Capn Sunshine]

24. FWIW

I met with several "super delegates" last night, during one of a series of meetings and conference calls this week among party officials. There were two issues, this one and the "other one" which I won't elaborate on here, but suffice it to say Hillary's campaign has now received messages from everywhere in DNC officialdom regarding their egregious recent conduct.

Even the Hillary-committed super dels agreed that Fla and MI are WAY out of line, and knew exactly what would happen if they pursued this course. One Hillary super-del told me that it would be a complete outrage to seat the delegations. They can still vote within the DNC guidelines, how they do it is up to them.

By the way, Hillary supporter or no, we are all on very cordial terms, most of us recognize we are Democrats first and members of a campaign second. There's no WAY anyone would tolerate in the real world the kind of crap that goes on here on DU. Most avoid the internets precisely because of this stuff. Of course in our real life meetings, we don't have people who post at Freep or LGF pretending to be DNC or Central Committee members to start trouble, unlike here and elsewhere on the net.

[madfloridian]

32. Glad to hear she has heard from officials.

Unfortunately, if they stop reading the internet...they will miss good stuff as well as bad.

I have been so angered by the behavior of my state because hubby and I have paid a price for it. Though some views are changing now, in the beginning things were different.

Our Florida leaders in some areas are now asking why they can't get volunteers to do the ground work. Gee, I wonder.

My reaction to the fiasco of FL and MI is deep anger because I felt it personally. I can not watch Bill Nelson, Wasserman Schultz, or Hillary on TV anymore. It goes very deep because I have lived among the lies.

[papau]

39. thanks for the update - egregious recent conduct is not the feeling in the Senior community of Dems

where Obama race card playing by constantly claiming what his supporters do doesn't matter while what Hillary's do does when that supporter is just stating a demographic truth about Dem primaries is the "egregious recent conduct" that should be discussed.

[madfloridian]

40. I am a senior Dem, a woman, and I find the statement ""egregious recent conduct"

very true. I am glad she is hearing from Dem officials.

[Capn Sunshine]

56. What the HELL are you talking about?

Have you been on Mars, or is this one of the Kool Aid overdose symptoms?
Look, I don't know what "Senior community" means.

I'm just telling you what is going down at Delegate and Central Committee level. We're all rational members of the national party structure. Ignore me if you wish because I support Obama, but I'm telling you, this shit ain't gonna play. It's harmful to everyone in the party, not just your candidate and some of her online supporters.

I've spoken with senior staff of the Clinton campaign, and they get the message, loud and clear. Maybe now Hillary's overzealous online keyboard commandos will get it as well.

[madfloridian]

57. Thank you and....

:applause:

[Carrieyazel]

25. Looks like the Repukes did the right thing, stripping only half the delegates.

Why the f*%# did Dean strip ALL of them? This is now a mess that we won't be able to clean up very well.

[madfloridian]

27. Perhaps you could read the CBS article I posted. Florida lied to the rules committee

So now I will say why the ^%$#&* did Florida lie to the rules committee.

[Carrieyazel]

31. Yes, Florida blew it, that's for sure.

[madfloridian]

26. Florida senator doesn't care that Obama and Hillary think.

That is an odd statement for him to make.

"Despite hesitations from the Obama team, “Democratic leaders in Tallahassee see few alternatives to the mail-in plan,” writes The Washington Post.

“I don’t care what the Clinton or Obama campaigns think,” said the Florida Senate’s Democratic leader, Steve Geller. “I don’t represent Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. I’m the Senate Democratic leader of Florida. My goal is to get the votes of 4 million Florida Democrats to count.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/13/the-early-word-off-the-trail/

That would be this Geller, who compared Howard Dean to Cartman on South park.

Our Florida Democrats have so much class.

[riona]

44. All this self -righteous blathering doesn't impress me

If the State gov't was so interested in voter rights, they would have followed the rules from the beginning. Apparently they were stupid enough to think that they could run roughshod over everyone and eventually their "plan" would be accepted, hook, line and sinker. At this point, I wonder how accurate that primary was anyway. How many people stayed away from the polls thinking their votes wouldn't count? Well, now it looks like millions more will be spent for a do-over to cover up the State's mess. Gee, I feel so warm and fuzzy knowing we have representatives who really care.

[cooolandrew]

28. God bless Howard Dean. A true Dme a great man..

He'll get through this I feel.

[UALRBSofL]

30. If Dean was so popular then why didn't people

Vote for him in the primary in 04, but chose to vote for IWR-Kerry? That's what I find interesting.

[Capn Sunshine]

59. he was sandbagged by the Clintonistas

The party told him in no uncertain terms after a third place in Iowa, he must bow out for the good of the party.

Funny how that same message did not apply to Hillary after her third place in IA.

[madfloridian]

60. And after 11 straight losses...no one told her.

Capn, do you remember when Dean said running for president again would not matter unless the party was changed. It was set up just one way then. Not to Dean's benefit.

[Independent-Voter]

29. Florida, along with Ohio, with ALWAYS find a way to fuck things up.

God damn, those 2 states could fuck up a wet dream.

[UALRBSofL]

35. I don't appreciate you calling my state out like that

You need to delete your post.

[Independent-Voter]

64. Show me how Florida and Ohio have somehow managed to get their shit together regarding elections

[Debi]

36. Maybe next time they'll read the DNC's rules instead of the RNC's rules

before making their decisions :banghead:

Good job again mad!

[madfloridian]

41. Video Dean today on American Morning..."Dean: We need to find a fair way"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/13/dean-we-need-to-find-a-fair-way/

FL and MI want to find a way that helps them, the two campaigns want a way that benefits them....he says there will be a way in the middle to be fair.

[John Gauger]

42. Then they were right to take all of them.

That's the thing about a deterrent: it's kinda supposed to deter. If it doesn't, then you get a better one. Maybe next time they'll think twice about fucking with the system. That's the whole point of taking the delegates away.

[madfloridian]

43. It was not just your usual defiance by a state.

The DNC was well up on the facts. It was an organized attempt, and the state worked with the GOP on it.

It's tragic how well it worked here when they lied about Dean being the one to blame. I am not sure Florida will heal from this.

[UALRBSofL]

47. You don't understand. Our legislation is over like 2 to 1 republican

And whether the democrats vote no or yes on a bill it goes the way of the republicans. They have a big majority in florida so the democrats can't get anything passed.

[Demeter]

45. It's All Our Fault That the DNC Doesn't Follow Beltway Rules!

Hillary and Co. thought they could pull the kind of tricks Congress is famous for. Well, that doesn't work in the rest of the country!

[liberal_rxstudent]

49. Sigh....

This is ridiculous!! I can't believe that our leaders are really this insolent. Wait...yeah, I believe it because I am seeing this. They do not care AT ALL about tearing apart this party, and at whose expense?! Dean and the DNC did NOTHING wrong..nothing. It seems that so many people have adopted the attitude that our FL leaders have taken to. If any people should feel disenfranchised, it should be all voters. Our leaders think that it is a joke to PURPOSEFULLY move up the date with the insane notion in their heads that- eh, we'll at least get half of the delegates. This enrages me, and I am sickened with these so called FL dems- they are doing nothing but trashing the people who are trying to keep the party in order. I am sickened...to say the least. :puke: :mad:

[madfloridian]

50. I share your sigh.

And add another. :shrug:

[NastyRiffraff]

52. I think Dean is handling this very difficult situation beautifully.

I support Hillary, but I think Dean is doing all he can do to bring all the players together: the candidates and the state party officials (sort of like herding feral cats).

Dean had no choice but to enforce the rules when FL & MI broke those rules. He warned them, again and again, publicly and I'm sure even more strongly privately. For his pains he got the finger. What's he supposed to do, shrug and say "no problem," which would open up a path for any state to set their primary date as they please in the future? You think this is chaos? Try to picture the future consequences.

That said, Dean has said repeatedly that he's committed to doing everything he can to seat the delegates of both states, and working with the two states even after they've publicly criticized him. Now, it's up to the states, and of course both candidates, to agree on a fair solution. As Dean said, it won't be easy, but it's doable if everyone puts aside their egos. (Yes, Obama and Clinton, that means both of you. Stop blaming each other and work towards a solution.)

[madfloridian]

53. I appreciated that he said the people of FL were hurt by their state political leaders..

and that he wanted to be fair. We may all have our own versions of fair, but his has to be different.

I agree, he has done the best he or anyone could have done.

[madfloridian]

54. "A donkey with an apple in its mouth once walked across a bridge"....

This revised Aesop tale is so apt right now.

With apologies to Aesop:

A donkey with an apple in its mouth once walked across a bridge. In the pond below, it thought it saw another donkey with a bigger, redder apple. The donkey reached down for the reflection of its apple, and dropped the real apple instead.

Moral: that’s what happens when jackasses overreach.

When jackasses over reach

The state was willing to drop half its delegates into the pond, and not worry about them. Then they lost all of them.

[bluerum]

55. Why not just say "We are greedy, arrogant and stupid. Our primary should count."

The more I hear and read about this, the less I think that their (MI AND Fla.) delegates should be seated.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

58. The Repubs only lost half in Florida....

n/t

[Beacool]

61. Great job DNC!!!!

Florida will probably go Republican just like in the past two elections.

How does President McCain sound?

[madfloridian]

62. Whatever you say. FL is already Republican. Even our Dems are Republicans.

They don't even realize it either. They act like Republicans to win...and now they have become just like them.