We progressives are about to become extinct. We are doomed. We are screwn.

[Seabiscuit]

Last fall I used to eagerly tune in to the last 10 minutes of "Countdown" just to listen to Keith Olbermann's courageous and brilliant rants, which he dubbed "special comments" about Bush and his criminal cohorts in D.C.

He was hailed right here on DU as the lone progressive voice in the MSM. And he was.

Until he was joined by Rachel Maddow, from Air America. We all cheered the new team.

Then tonight it all crashed to earth with an ugly thud. The hot-air baloon we were riding high on was set on fire.

First, Keith poisoned his own show and his "special comments" section by smearing a progressive icon, Geraldine Ferraro, falsely accusing her of racism and falsely accusing her of using Republican talking points for her comments about how the Republican-controlled media, for which KO works, has given life to a candidate, Barack Obama, that he wouldn't otherwise have, simply because of his skin color. He used his own Ferraro smear to attack Hillary Clinton, which is itself a sexist Republican smear tactic.

Shame on you, Keith Olbermann.

That travesty was followed by more trash talk from Rachel Maddow on the subject. For the first time I found myself agreeing with Pat Buchanan, while Maddow threw both Ferraro and Clinton under the bus.

Shame on you, Rachel Maddow.

I don't know whether to weep, smash the TV, or turn my back on politics forever, and perhaps even begin preparations to expatriate from this dismal swamp. Olbermann and Maddow have sold out their principles, and allowed themselves to be co-opted by the Repuke powers-that-be on MSNBC.

Now there's no news on TV at all except what occasionally plays on PBS, where I heard that an Obamanoid hate group was calling Ferraro's employer to try to get her fired.

Color me not just disillusioned. Color me thoroughly disgusted.

[yourout]

1. Your missing you sarcasm thingy.

:sarcasm:

[krkaufman]

128. Yeah, I kept waiting for the obvious hand tip...

... but it never came.

[ingac70]

2. He didn't falsely accuse her...

she has a history.. said the same nasty shit about Jesse Jackson 20 years ago.

[sakabatou]

3. So one show = the whole show being ruined?

[Seabiscuit]

9. This one travesty is so huge it shows a gaping hole where Olbermann's integrity used to be.

I no longer have any respect for him whatsoever.

He's history to me now.

[Exilednight]

24. Olbermann's integrity? Maybe Hillary and Ferraro should think of their own integrity.

[Usrename]

25. Wait a gosh darn minute here. Keith is the one who still has integrity.

When Rush made his idiotic statement about Donovan McNabb and lost his job on Monday Night Football, Keith was right there with exactly the same commentary. What do you think has changed?

Certainly it isn't Keith or the Obama supporters, they have remained consistent. What is it about this kind of talk that makes it unacceptable when Rush does it, but acceptable when the Clinton campaign does it?

For a reminder, here is what Rush Limbaugh said:
"Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."

Sound familiar? Keith isn't the one who is lost, although you may be.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

104. and hillary has earned your respect? how exactly?

rumors of muslim schooling, drug dealing, and worse? Now, there is a stand up person I want leading my country. NOT.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

56. He's been railing on the Clintons and anyone who supports her for weeks.

It's really quite shocking. He doesn't even attack McCain....

[Seabiscuit]

63. Intelligent post #5.

Thank you pointing that out.

[BornBlue]

111. Neither does she,

in fact, I remember her saying that McCain was more qualified than Obama. She is the one throwing the sink at him, but thats ok if you see it the other way. People like you who follow her, and take her word as law, are going to cost us the White House in the fall.

[WCGreen]

132. My thoughts exactly...

People are so on edge here that one errant comment, one wrongfull look, one misstatement is suddenly the end of the world as we know it...

But I, on the other hand, feel fine...

[K Gardner]

4. You agreed with Pat Buchanan's comments, and Gerry's comments, and

Clinton's passive-aggressive support of the comments? Wow.

[GarbagemanLB]

6. Buchanan is a TRUE progressive!

:sarcasm:

[krkaufman]

129. Yes, generally I'd have to double-check myself ...

... if I find myself nodding in agreement with Buchanan. And then shower.

[GarbagemanLB]

5. 'We progressives' side with Obama. Nice try, though. It must be painful to see all the progressives

turn against Hillary.

[SOS]

121. We progressives were "screwn" in 1982,

when automatic delegates were added to the mix in order to permanently silence and disempower the left wing of the Democratic Party.
The notion that a critique of a DLC centrists' campaign equals the death of progressive Democrats is amusing.

[ProSense]

7. Progressives? Didn't Hillary's campaign just claim Obama is a flaming liberal?

This primary is marked by complete lunacy!

[mudesi]

8. OH MY GOD WILL YOU CLINTON LOYALISTS GET A GRIP!

[meow mix]

12. its pretty sad. god i cant wait till this is over.

i have serious primary fatigue

[against all enemies]

10. Since when was Hillary the Progressives choice?

[krkaufman]

131. I was wondering that, myself. The DLC isn't exactly the progressive braintrust. n/t

[Generic Brad]

11. If progressives agree with you on this -

then I no longer consider myself progressive. Have fun at the extinction party.

[Seabiscuit]

13. I get this sickening feeling that it will be at least 12 hours before one intelligent comment

is posted in this thread. I also get this sickening feeling that the swamp that GD Politics has become is, pathetically, fairly representative of what this country has become.

[Zensea]

23. It's hard to respond intelligently

to a post that is so dualistic in its dimensions and engages in over the top rhetoric.
I'm sure you'll find another "savior" or "prophet" to imbue all your desires in soon enough.
If I really cared about this sort of thing I'd save this original post of yours and call your attention to it in a few months when you do.

[Lorien]

27. I've only read about tonight's show (no cable) and I don't back either HRC

or Obama. Originally I had hoped that Gore would enetr the race, when he failed to do so I backed Kucinich.When Kucinich dropped out I joined the Edwards camp. Now I'm done compromising and will hold my nose and vote for whatever they choose for us-but by "they", I didn't expect to include Olbermann and Maddow! Shouldn't they be ripping McCain a new one and not choose sides during the primaries? What if, by some fluke, Clinton ends up as the candidate-then what? It's as if Obama fans smell blood in the water and are now in a killing frenzy. I just don't get it. I honestly don't see much of a difference between the two candidates when it comes to policy, which is why I have not supported either one. So why all the rancor? If things continue as they have half of all Democrats probably won't show up on election day, when it really COUNTS. Who wins then??? Certainly none of us.

[Seabiscuit]

43. This is the first intelligent post I've seen in this thread. Thank you.

Your evolution this year parallels my own - Kucinich - Edwards - uncommitted. And now disgusted.

[cali]

81. Your OP is puerile hyperbole

and you're simply delusional if you think GDP is representative of anything. Aside from that, what gives you the right to speak for progressives? You certainly don't strike me as remotely progressive.

[Cali_Democrat]

14. HAHAHAHAHA

Hillary supporters just can't see that she's morphed into a Republican.

[RC]

18. What you mean "Morphed"?

At best she was another DINO.

[elixir]

106. Tell me how Hillary is a republican?

[Johnny__Motown]

15. You are on the Dark Side now... come back into the light, Renounce Hillary, regain your soul

[golddigger]

112. No don't think so. I'm looking for a president not a messiah.

[Seabiscuit]

119. Intelligent post #14.

[Orsino]

16. We're always on the verge of extinction.

It's only when things collapse that we get any play, or when things are fine.

[cindyw]

17. Dude, if you find yourself agreeing with Pat, it's time to take a step back and look at the big

picture

[mikelewis]

19. You should smash your tv... honestly, just take a hammer and bash in the screen... I dare you....

Come on... video tape yourself smashing the tv and post it on YouTube so we can all really see just how pissed off you truly are. Honestly, I think you may be agitated but hardly smashing-of-TV angry... I think you're blustering... that's what I think... I think you're not even a true Hilary supporter... a true Hilary supporter would already have smashed their tv's and maybe even pooped on their own rug and smeared it in... bluster, bluster, bluster.

edit for grammar (your to you're sort of thing)

[JoFerret]

20. So much for reason and broad mindedness. So much for actual "progress"

Drag us all down, K.O., with the msm clown act.
Hope you are getting well paid to betray us all for this nonsense.

Who will you turn on next? Who else is not "pure" enough and must be cleansed with your righteous hiss and spittle?

[Seabiscuit]

64. Intelligent post #6.

[PVnRT]

89. "Intelligent" = "Agrees with what I said"

Kind of sad, really, but not altogether unexpected in GD: P.

EDIT: Smilie managed to sneak in there.

[John Q. Citizen]

21. Some people can't handle the truth. Remember how you wondered what people saw in bush?

I know I did.

But I also wonder the same about people who would defend purposely injecting race into the democratic primaries in an attempt to to divide the party.

Yes, i wonder how you can not read what you write, how you can not hear what you say.

Have you ever considered the possibility that Olbermann is objective and you aren't? Have you considered that possibility?

[Danger Mouse]

31. Consider the source. He puts people on ignore if they disagree with him...

and has an ignore list of over 400 people, and growing. And he's proud of that fact, btw.
He wants an echo chamber, and runs off crying when he sees something he doesn't agree with and can't handle with his fragile little ego.

[John Q. Citizen]

36. That's amazing. I'm probably on his list.

[Danger Mouse]

38. probably i know i am. let him have his sad little world where he's always right and it's everyone

else that's wrong.

[bicentennial_baby]

40. i'm on it!

:hi:

[Danger Mouse]

50. are you in the 'seabiscuit ignore list club' too?

we have 400 members!

[RandomKoolzip]

22. Just because they don't like Hillary Clinton's campaign? Really?

By that standard, the majority of DUers and the majority of the Democratic party aren't progressives, and are about to become extinct at the exact moment when the cultural and political zeitgeist is finally swaying to our side. Which sounds like bullshit, frankly. Here you are praising Pat Buchanan and damning the Dem frontrunner, and WE'RE the ones betraying the party? Wake the fuck up.

BTW, they weren't false accusations anyways.

[Eric Condon]

26. "progressive icon?"

Sorry, but after establishing a pattern of inane, blatantly racist and increasingly offensive comments, I'm not sure if Ferraro can really be called a "progressive icon."

[unblock]

28. they pretty much wiped us out in 1968

ever since then, they've kept just enough of us around to keep up their hate.

[populistdriven]

29. Maddow threw two steaming fluke-ridden donkey livers under the bus.

thats all the two of them are worth

[Danger Mouse]

30. hillary clinton does not represent progressives AT ALL.

neither, IMHO, does barack obama.

[Avalux]

32. Your blind faith is clouding your judgement.

If you're going to weep, weep for what the Clinton campaign is doing to the Democratic party.

The only person who said an "Obamanoid hate group" was calling Ferraro's employer was Ferraro herself - that started with her. She's lying her ass off and won't stop the divisive crap; she intends to keep driving the train all the way across PA hoping to influence white voters who might not be too sure about voting for a black man. Now that she's 'resigned' Clinton doesn't have to say anything.

It's disgusting.

[Colobo]

33. An Obama-hating Hillary loyalist has spoken.

[Danger Mouse]

39. let's all listen carefully.

[DarienComp]

34. I'd suggest reading OPERATIONMINDCRIME's post on the subject.

Maybe you'll learn a thing or two.

[Carrieyazel]

35. Olbermann can't look like he's an unpaid Obama surrogate.

That's what it's looking like. And I usually enjoy Keith.

[Seabiscuit]

44. Intelligent post #2.

[Danger Mouse]

49. why don't you say what you REALLY mean?

'post which agrees with me #2'

[anonymeme]

37. Thank You, Seabiscuit.

Thank You, Seabiscuit. I'm With You! ~*:applause:*~

[Seabiscuit]

45. Thank you right back!

I guess my vanity at least would suggest I refer to your post as Intelligent post #3.

[ProSense]

41. Hillary, the last best hope

for killing off progressive ideals

[AX10]

42. KO has greatly disappointed me.

My father says that after a lifetime these kinds of things will not mean much to you because you have learned so much and have dealt with so much. I am young, so it's a disappointing day.
I'm done with him.

[Seabiscuit]

46. Intelligent post #4.

Your father is wise. But I may be older than him (almost 63) and yeah, I brush off most stuff like this, but this campaign season has been far uglier than any in my lifetime, and to see the only non-Repuke voices in the MSM so completely co-opted as they were tonight is very disheartening, even at my age, because it's really all we had left. And now they've turned to shit as well.

[Drunken Irishman]

59. So those who agree with you = intelligent, those who don't = selling out progressives?

A helpful hint, don't post while intoxicated, it just makes you look foolish!

:hi:

[AX10]

60. Well.

my Father is older than you by a few years.

[Seabiscuit]

65. Good for him! And I wish him many more very wise years.

[GeorgeGist]

47. For what it's worth ....

Evolution doesn't care that you don't have the critical thinking skills to survive.

[Seabiscuit]

51. The ultimate in hypocritical Obamanoid insults? Accusing MOI of a lack of

"critical thinking skills"????

OMFG!!!

:rofl:

A big fat juicy welcome to my "ignored" button!

[Danger Mouse]

53. welcome to the 'ignored by seabiscuit' club!

:hi:

[Seabiscuit]

48. 22 "Ignoreds" so far. And about 20 more soon to be (when I get around to it).

Looks like the "ignoreds" are out in force tonight, and have brought their little tag-team brothers and sisters along.

[Name removed]

52. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[XemaSab]

80. Can you add me to that list?

thx

[TheZug]

54. Get real: HRC is to progressivism as Ratzinger is to liberation theology.

She and her DLC pals have always been about gutting progressivism from the party to make it more "electable"--i.e., less distinguishable from the Republican party.

Now it may be true that Obama is not particularly more progressive than she is, but to trumpet her as some champion of progressivism is laughably, pathetically, even disturbingly absurd.

How can you be so blind?

[Zodiak]

61. Intelligent post #1

Hey, if someone else can do it, I can, too. :evilgrin:

Although what I really mean is that I agree with you...I admit that freely.

[usrbs]

87. I have to guve you that one

Although I think Hillary is better than Bill. And I'm undecided whether or not Obama is one degree to her left or one degree to her right. I've seen both directions on different issues.

[Cameron27]

55. Maybe, just maybe

if all the vile sexist comments made on his own network irked Olbermann half as much as Ferraro's remarks, I could take his special comment seriously. Since he never utter a word when Matthews was at his worst, or made any mention of the Donny McClurkin travesty when the LGBT community was protesting, I have to consider this as Obama partisanship.

[Seabiscuit]

68. Intelligent post #7.

[amborin]

57. agreed: shame on Olberman and shame on Maddow

where has there been any protracted bashing of any rethug?

why all the media hoopla about Spitzer's personal life peccadillos while all the corrupt republican con artists are at large and unindicted?

[Seabiscuit]

69. Intelligent post #8.

[Armstead]

58. Hillary equals the progressive movement? Surely you jest.

Hillary has been part of the cabal doing everything possible to destroy the progressive movement for the last 20 years.

[cooolandrew]

62. Geraldine Ferraro talks about tax returns, link..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3qOi_l1RGY




















maybe

[Dinger]

66. It's Be Nice If He Stuck It To The Pukes, Like The "Old Days"

I remember.

[Seabiscuit]

70. Intelligent post #9.

[Dinger]

71. Thank You : )

And I miss John Edwards.

[Seabiscuit]

73. As do I.

Come to think of it, where was KO when MSNBC was busy as a bee ignoring JRE?

[Dinger]

74. Nowhere,

that's where. Edwards was eliminated, and not by voters either.
He did SUSPEND his campaign, maybe he could reconsider?

[Seabiscuit]

84. I'm not holding out hope for him to reconsider.

The last hope I have is for him to be Attorney General in a Clinton or Obama administration.

Neither the DNC nor the MSM will allow him back in. They're the ones controlling this farce of a primary season.

[cali]

83. Please put me on your ignore list if I'm not already on it

I've long thought of you as the antithesis of intelligence. You wouldn't know intelligent if it booted you a swift one.

[Dinger]

92. Smear/Call-out of A Fellow DUer? Not Cool

This kind of thing is o.k.? I suppose it is if it's a Hillary supporter.

[Qanisqineq]

94. then why don't YOU put that person on ignore?

seems to make more sense than you asking someone else to put you on ignore because you find that person to be "the antithesis of intelligence".

:shrug:

[Dinger]

95. Because Certain People Get Away With That Here, And They'd Rather Shove It In Our Faces

Kinda obvious here, isn't it?

[Maribelle]

97. You're way OTT on this

stuff a sock in it, sugar

[Dinger]

110. That Goddamn SMEAR Of A DUer IS STILL There?!

What in the fuck is that all about???? Apparently this is o.k. now. Wish I'd have gotten the memo.
Now I can get busy, since I now have a green light.

[woolldog]

67. If you find yourself agreeing with Pat Buchanan on this issue

and disagreeing with so many progresive icons, and you consider yourself progressive, I'm going to humbly suggest that maybe there's something wrong with you're viewing this issue.

[Seabiscuit]

72. Just did a little housecleaning...

and now the score is:

9 posts worth my personal kudos;

42 posts from "ignored".

[Danger Mouse]

77. You are literally one of the most pathetic posters I have ever seen on DU.

[Beacool]

75. Yep, it's a sad day when I agree with Pat more than anyone else on the panel.

At least Pat is trying to be objective and doesn't go into the fits of outrage that the others are so prone to do. The even sadder part is that the people they keep throwing under the bus are fellow Democrats.

Whatever, after this is all said and done, the party will be so divided that we can start getting used to saying President McCain. Leave it to the Democrats to fuck up royally!!!!!!

[Seabiscuit]

86. Intelligent post #10.

[Beacool]

100. Thanks!! LOL!!! n/t

[BornBlue]

117. Well, at least you and Hillary have something in common.

She seemed to have agreed with him too. A few weeks before the Ohio/Texas primaries his advise to her was to pull out all the stops and go as negative as possible, and what did she do? I really do think she is a Republican . . .she is listening to Buchanan.

[lefty_thespis10]

76. keith is just giving a fair analysis like he is known for.

and by denouncing hillary's campaign tactics, i can hardly see how sexism is somehow involved. Hillary is doing this to herself, keith is just giving an honest opinion.

[Perry Logan]

78. Ferraro ought to sue his ass for calling her racist.

[JVS]

79. Ferraro destroyed her own legacy and is no longer an icon at all.

Don't blame Keith

[MadHound]

82. When you find yourself agreeing with Pat Buchanan,

Then you really should reconsider where you're going and what you're thinking.

Secondly, as much as Hillary supporters are :puke: trying to deny it, Ferraro's comments were indeed racist. They are much along the lines that Rush got fired for, you know, that Donovan McNabb only got as much attention as he was getting because he's black. Or knuckledraggers all over the country who try to rationalize why they weren't hired by stating it was because the winning candidate was black. It is belittling to make such a statement about any African American, and if you truly don't see that, then perhaps you need to rethink your own morals and believes.

As far as far as Olberman and Maddow, their comments aren't disrespectful and mean spirited. I see them more as trying to do an intervention for a good friend of theirs. A lot of the talk last night was about how Hillary needs to reign in her campaign staff and advisers, and guess what, they're right.

Sorry, but I think that your outrage is colored by your support for Hillary. Step back and try to be objective about this matter.

Oh, and as far as progressives go, we're doing find despite your claims to the contrary. Remember one of the key things about being progressive however, looking truth square in the face, no matter how much it hurts. Have you ever thought that it isn't progressives, Olberman or Maddow who have a problem, but yourself? Especially if you're agreeing with Buchanan and a statement that, change the event and players, was widely considered a racist spew by Rush Limbaugh. Think about it, and stop letting your partisanship blind you to the facts.

[rucky]

85. I know you're not going to believe it from anybody here...

but it seems to be the other way around, as to whom is abandoning their progressive ideals. If KO and Maddow can stray from the path, in your opinion, then why are "icons" Ferraro and Hillary beyond reproach?

I know were in the middle of a shitstorm right now, but I hope that when this all settles down, we can start thinking clearly again.

[Rockholm]

88. I Agree 100%. Thank You and K&R!

I will say this again....Obama IS where he is because he is black, just as Hillary IS where she is because she is a woman. Look at the list or more qualified and experienced candidates that are no longer in the race.
This should put them on equal footing, but Hillary continues to be the lightening rod. And Obama continues to get the free ride.

[Seabiscuit]

90. Intelligent post #11.

[Vinca]

91. If Keith hadn't said anything about Ferraro's remarks, that would

have been offensive. The only one agreeing with Ferraro is Pat Buchanan - doesn't that tell you something?

[dionysus]

93. aww

here's your banky

[libbygurl]

96. Wonder what they said/will say about

this, though:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x104375

Another sin of Hillary - wrong skin colour!

[Seabiscuit]

102. Intelligent post #13.

[Maribelle]

98. Keith has certainly gone through some sort of metamorphose.

I remember on one show with Tweety, when Tweety was talking about how he was "warming up to Hillary", Keith responded that he had noting to warm up from. It was very shortly after that, Keith plunged metaphorically into the black abyss.

[Raffi Ella]

99. It's incredible isn't it?

I can't believe what this primary has come to.Keith Olbermann feels justified in taking sides and using smears against one of Our Candidates in a "Special Comment"??

I am stunned that he thinks himself the moral judge and jury of Hillary Clinton's Campaign and thinks he is doing a public service by publicly calling her out using smears!Half the Country DOES NOT BELIEVE the smears against her!HALF THE COUNTRY is behind her enthusiastically and fully!HALF THE COUNTRY LOVES her!

His was nothing more than a hit piece on one of Our Own.He had no right!And I just hope and pray that people will understand after what he did last night that his version of Faux News that he's turned his show into doesn't even remotely resemble real journalism.It doesn't anymore than Bill O's show does.He has not only jumped the shark but he has lost ANY and ALL credibility.

I do not WANT my Own Faux News for the Left!Keith Olbermann is nothing but a divisive and small time sensationalist to me that has interjected himself into the Democratic Primary -what he has done can only lead to more division and anger and hurt and based on WHAT!??His OPINION and obvious BIAS.I will never forgive him for what he's done.

[Seabiscuit]

101. Intelligent post #12.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

114. who appointed you final arbitor of "intelligence"? Nothing but a TON of self-kicks.

[Raffi Ella]

125. ha,thank you!

Your OP was inspiring. :thumbsup:

[golddigger]

105. Excellent post DemEtienne. My wife and I both look at each other last

and said the same thing, "Keith has jumped the shark.":kick:

[Raffi Ella]

126. thanks goldigger

yeah,he definitely did,sad day for me.

[BornBlue]

120. Then why is she losing?

"HALF THE COUNTRY LOVES her" I don't think that is anywhere close to the truth. In fact, I am pretty sure, correct me if I am wrong, that a large portion of the country DISLIKES her.

I dislike her, but if she gets the nomination I will vote for her in the fall because getting the White House into the hands of the liberals is way more important than my person pride. She should feel the same way, but we can see that it is more about her personal glory than the good of the country. Even when you disagree with someone in your party, if they begin a movement that sweeps over the country and energizes a new base for your party, you should not stand in the way and do everything you can to bring him down by any means necessary. She is no team player.

[golddigger]

122. Losing what? Last time I looked you needed 2025 delegates to win

Obama has not reach that number yet and never will.

[BornBlue]

124. Is she closer to 2025 than Obama?

Cuz, you know when someone else has more than you, you are considered to be losing, or if you don't like that word, how about not in the lead? She has not lost, yet. I think you may have been confusing losing with lost.

[libbygurl]

103. Just curious - what is KO's political persuasion/registration? Dem? Indie? Repub?

Just wondering what Maddow's excuse is. To think I was rah-rahing her here on DU months ago.

[golddigger]

107. I think Keith stated on one of his shows that he does not vote.

[Seabiscuit]

127. He did???

[golddigger]

109. I might add though that he has a agenda since his best bud David Schuster was suspended.

[Slagathor]

108. It is the end of something...

it's the end of a monopolistic and paternalistic attitude that has kept the idea of progressivism stagnant for decades and impassive and impotent in the face of a) 8 long years of a center right presidency held by a DINO, and then b) 8 long years of neo-con nonsense.

For a while people believed that old school progressives such as Kucinich or even Edwards represented a way forward, but that, too, was antiquated political thought. Obama is the way forward. He is the future.

Complaining about it just makes it more and more clear that you're living in past of your own construction. Good riddance to old notions of progressivism. If your stance had been any less effective, we'd all be in re-education camps. So yeah... well done, now get out of the way.

[Seabiscuit]

116. Oh, brother, another live one.

Joined up March 4, 106 posts, untintelligable video-game-character handle, a post as dumbed-down as they get, and of course, it's gotta be a budding Obamanoid!

My "ignore" button's getting sore.

[goletian]

113. if you think olbermann has shamed himself, you must not be as progressive as you think

he was on point about ferraro.

[golddigger]

118. I'm still waiting for that special commentary from Keith on how Obama

used homophobia McClurkin to go after the evangelical vote in SC.

[snooper2]

115. Ferraro and Clinton

are not progressive...

First wrong assumption...

[Fox Mulder]

123. I'm confused by this:

He used his own Ferraro smear to attack Hillary Clinton, which is itself a sexist Republican smear tactic

How was it sexist?

[cottonseed]

130. All the true progressives have been put in a sack and beat.

Mark, Harold, and Hill should be proud.