Threats of white flight and woman flight...

[DevonRex]

I've kinda had it with the veiled threats that if Obama is the nominee then huge numbers of white democrats will vote for McCain, or that if we don't support Hillary it's at our "peril." For crying out loud, are there really that many democrats out there who want to continue in Iraq for 100 years? Are there really that many democrats out there who want to extend more and more tax cuts to the rich and the corporations who are shipping our jobs overseas? Are there really that many democrats out there who want more government interference in our reproductive rights? Who among us wants the republicans to control who gets to marry and who doesn't? Who among us wants the Justice Department run by the republican politicians again? Who among us wants the US to torture? Who among us wants republicans to continue their illegal wiretapping of American citizens?

If there are that many democrats who will support John McCain despite the dire consequences, then why the heck are they democrats in the first place? Because one thing is certain, either they're in the wrong party, or I'm in the wrong party. Or maybe I'm just on the wrong board.

[jackson_dem]

1. And black flight and male flight on the other side

The selective outrage of Obamanation is amazing.

[Usrename]

20. I don't think you're looking at this clearly.

To call it selective outrage just shows how far you have your head in the sand. I don't hear any Obama supporters saying that if Hillary wins the popular vote by a million and the pledged delegates by 20% that they wouldn't support her. I think many would support her, if she performed like a winner.

The fact that a lot of Obama supporters don't want to get behind a loser is a different argument entirely. Many people supported Edwards, and then switched to Obama when he dropped out. If Obama were performing as dismally as Clinton, then I think many of his supporters would move on to another candidate.

The fact that you think it doesn't matter who is winning and who is losing is just amazing. Why even go through this whole exercise of a primary to begin with? You're not thinking cleary. Losing is not the same thing as winning. By your illogic, we should just swear in the loser of the general election as president, because the election results are just people's opinions and they shouldn't matter.

Can anyone really be this clueless, or are you kidding yourself, or what? I don't get it.

[CitizenLeft]

2. about "white flight"

If it happens, I believe it will be because of the scab this Ferraro disaster has ripped off. I was kinda depressed last night after seeing that 72% of MS dems voted for Hillary - that's a bad sign. But tonight, Matthews pointed out a number that made me feel better: 24% of Hillary's white vote were due to REPUBLICANS CROSSING OVER to vote for her. A full quarter of her 72%. Remove that number, and that 27% number who voted for Obama rises considerably. I feel better.

However, I do believe that this Ferraro thing was carefully calculated - probably not her original comments, but most certainly Clinton's response - and aimed at those underemployed middle-class and rural white Reagan Democrats in PA who might vote for McCain anyway - specifically to turn them against Obama.

Now THAT'S what worries me.

[DevonRex]

5. Quite calculated, IMO

And my sister is a republican in Mississippi who was called by the Clinton campaign to solicite her vote. She had her husband had considered voting for Hillary just to beat Obama up, as Rush suggested. They decided against it, but I'm sure their son went ahead and did it, as he's a Rushie.

Yes, I'm terrified about all this. Thanks for responding by the way. That's the first thread I ever started. :)

[CitizenLeft]

28. oh you're welcome!

Yes... I have always believed in the inherent goodness of people, and that, if left alone, they will overcome prejudices on their own. But if someone stirs those ugly feelings, especially in this economic atmosphere, where people are losing everything - jobs, homes, cars, everything - if nudged, they'll turn to scapegoating. That's what's being attempted here... that very subtle "he's the affirmative action candidate" thing that is insidious and lurks in the backs of the minds of many middle-class and poor whites who are struggling, especially in "Alabama" areas. Racism, to me, is based on economics, and there are two dichotomous types: if you don't have a pot to piss in, you hate the guy who does. And if you have 3 pots, God forbid the guy without any pots should get one of yours. In times of economic prosperity, these tactics would be much less likely to succeed.

BTW, my one and only thread sank like a stone without a single reply! So I'm with ya! :hi:

[billbuckhead]

3. Working class whites, the elderly and Hispanics will vote for McCain

It's just a fact the arrogant politically correct crowd never thought that these groups had no white guilt and therefore saw through the hope-a-dope crap and saw Hillary's opponent for what he is, an male model reading someone else's speeches.

[anigbrowl]

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[leftofcool]

I think it remains to be seen...no use speculating until the GE

[DevonRex]

12. Hopefully everything'll settle down.

Sooner rather than later though. We simply cannot hand a victory to McCain.

[MADem]

4. How about the UNVEILED threats from the other team? Do those bother you too, or is it a one way

sense of outrage?

This forum is NOT representative of the mainstream, which is probably just as well. And there aren't that many people here, in the BIG scheme.

This forum is more 'activist' and way more LEFT than most Dems are. They actually think they're the party center, but they aren't. Some pull the "take my ball and go home" act routinely.

They're a wing--an important wing, certainly, but they, some of them, don't realize that you need TWO wings to fly....!

[boston bean]

7. Duh, it's only Hillary's supporters. Can't you see that?????? nt

[MADem]

19. Heh, heh...you know that old saying about the mote and the beam in the eye!!

Whatchagonna do?

[DevonRex]

10. Both bother me, actually.

And yep, we need all our parts.

[BumRushDaShow]

8. A well-reasoned and welcome post! K&R

The fear-mongering is truly sad.

:kick:

[DevonRex]

17. Thanks.

I wish we could all just take a deep breath, a step back, and many other cliches.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. The Hillbots are just throwing a temper tantrum right now because their princess lost

[emilyg]

23. Keep thinking that.

You won't get my support.

[trayfoot]

11. AND........

I am tired of veiled threats that if Clinton wins, then the black community will stay at home!

[Cali_Democrat]

18. The only way Clinton can win is to thwart the will of the people

She needs super delegates to overturn the results. Shit, I would stay home also. Not the same as you hillbots throwing temper tantrums for no reason.

[hedgehog]

13. I have family in Ohio. A cousin's son was in a bad accident,

nearly lost his leg and is now in desperate need of rehab that he can't afford. An aunt commented that he can't get proper medical care, but all the blacks shoot each other and show up at the hospital and get free care and put the hospital into a deficit.


Folks, do you see what is happening? Instead of asking why a country this rich doesn't have universal health care, my aunt is building a grudge against "those people". We need to stop allowing the Right to divide us into white vs black or women vs black.

[walldude]

21. Problem is it's not the right doing the dividing anymore.

But I do agree it would be nice to put a stop to this and gang up on the people who are busy planning to attack Iran while we sit here fucking around.

[hedgehog]

22. Iran, Iraq, health care, college costs, home mortgages, etc

we need to get back on track.

Obama reviled the system for charging usurious rates for college loans Monday. Unless you were able to watch his town meeting in Mississippi live on the CNN web site, you didn't hear that.

[walldude]

25. Preaching to the choir here friend...

I'm behind Obama. I'll vote for Hillary if she gets the nom but I'm hoping I won't need to.

[Blue State Bandit]

14. Just watched Bill say that Obama's Camp "Threatened Lewis".

I almost laughed out loud, but I was working and I had to bite my tongue.

[emilyg]

24. How do you know they didn't?

They threatened to get Ferraro fired.

[Blue State Bandit]

26. John Lewis's own words.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AY9Ybgwcpnw&feature=related

[exsoccermom]

15. Please stay

The Democratic Party has to be able to accept differences. I learned that I was a Democrat on my Grandfather's knee when I was a wee tot. I always voted for the Democratic candidates (well, I did vote for Charles Mac Mathias, but he was a better democrat than the one running). Sometimes it's hard to vote for the candidate (Kerry). This time I might not be able vote for the Democratic candidate. So, just let us do what we have to do this time. We will give you the same freedom when you need it.

[exsoccermom]

16. Please stay

The Democratic Party has to be able to accept differences. I learned that I was a Democrat on my Grandfather's knee when I was a wee tot. I always voted for the Democratic candidates (well, I did vote for Charles Mac Mathias, but he was a better democrat than the one running). Sometimes it's hard to vote for the candidate (Kerry). This time I might not be able vote for the Democratic candidate. So, just let us do what we have to do this time. We will give you the same freedom when you need it.

[KaptBunnyPants]

27. I never thought I'd see this much overt racism from Democrats.

We have Clinton supporters in here saying that people shouldn't vote for Obama because he is black while at the same exact time trying to complain about unfair accusations of racism. Well, fine all you "hard core realists", how many votes do we lose running a woman? Hillary's campaign has made the stance that sexism is more virulent than racism, and that this oppressive force has handicapped her campaign. If sexism is really so abundant and venomous that it could strike down her in HER primary, then how can you think there's any advantage to running a white woman over a black man? It is almost certain the the same racist idiot who won't vote for a black candidate would rather have a war hero protecting him from the terra-ists than some woman. Both candidates are equally crippled by bigotry; this racist whisper campaign is as self destructive as it is shortsighted.