"FOX News purchased the video recordings of Wright's sermons from the church."

[Bluebear]

"Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain't! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty."

FOX News purchased the video recordings of Wright's sermons from the church.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,337308,00.html

I will be so glad when this vile campaign is over with. Why is a pastor talking about "riding someone dirty"? Why is a church selling sermon recordings to FOX news? Oy.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

1. "Tax Exempt". The most beautiful words of the sermon.

:kick:

[MadMaddie]

3. I am sick of all of the churches and their hate mongering preachers

They all need to be taxed and audited.

[NDambi]

16. AGREED..I'm sick of their giving to me...means giving to GOD..UGH

[JoFerret]

50. And "delivering" us from sin

Sick stuff.

[NDambi]

71. very sick..very sick

[Hoof Hearted]

27. And this preacher and his traveling revival show:

I'm surprised he hasn't had himself "raptured" Peter-Pan style at one of his productions to drive home his messianic status and his on-your-sleeve Christianity.

[Irishonly]

36. IRS Investigation

The IRS may be investigating Obama's speech to the UCC conference which is ridiculous. He didn't come close to crossing the line. His pastor's sermons do and if found guilty of crossing the line the church will lose their tax exemption. It doesn't matter if neocon churches get away with it, the IRS is cracking down on liberal churches. A church in Pasadena was investigated for having a peace sermon and was turned in because a conservative parishioner though it was anti Bush. It doesn't make it right but so goes the world we live in.

Read the IRS letter to the UCC. http://www.ucc.org/news/pdf/lettrirs.pdf

Watch Obama's June 23, 2007, address to General Synod. http://www.ucc.org/synod/video-archive.html

Read the text of Obama's speech.

http://www.ucc.org/news/significant-speeches/a-politics-of-conscience.html

http://www.wfn.org/2008/02/msg00183.html

Article about Obama's church

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB120511457633523621.html

Churches usually don't get audited for community outreach programs which is what many of them call it when they have a presidential candidate come to speak.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

38. If Focus On The Family retains tax exempt status, no other church should be questioned.

[Irishonly]

41. I am not disagreeing

Conservative churches and organizations have crossed so far over the line they wouldn't even know what it is anymore.

[JoFerret]

51. Fair is fair

Let's get the lot of them. Starting with the r/w and moving fast.

[Catherine Vincent]

2. Why is a man of cloth talking about blowjobs?

[Saturday]

4. This is from Obama's spiritual leader? Yikes! nt

[Straight Shooter]

5. Vulgar. n/t

[malik flavors]

6. How is this pastor a part of Obama's "vile" campaign? He has no part in the campaign.

[jackson_dem]

10. He has far more to do with Obama than Ferraro

Let's face it. Ferraro and Power will be forgotten in two months. Wright is going to be a big campaign issue if Obama is the nominee.

[KittyWampus]

12. Ferraro was part of Hillary's pathetic racist campaign. Own her, embrace the racism.

[jackson_dem]

19. That applies to attending a church for years

If one was offending by his views you would start going to a different church...Wright is also Obama's mentor...

You are right which is why it is great Hillary got rid of her. When is Charles Barron going to be denounced by Obama? It has been four months and still nothing from Mr. Unity. How about his national co-chair using the race card against Hill first and now to pressure black superdelegates to vote for Obama because he is black?

[Bluebear]

13. The whole frigging primary season is "vile" all around, thank you.

[ecstatic]

7. Well, from the looks of it... Clinton DID use us nt

[napi21]

8. If you think HIllary's campaign is Obama's biggest problem, WAIT

to see what FOX does whith those tapes!

I keep trying to tell all of you that the Hillary stuff is good for the Obama campaign because it's giving him a small taste of what a GE campaign will bring. The Pubs are going to be MUCH WORSE on him than Hillary or any of her surrogates ever thought of being!

I sure HOPE someone tells his strategists about this FOX purchase! At least it will give them a bit of time to plan a good response. I'm having a hard time thinking of what that might be though. He can't very well denounce the Pastor of his church, but if he doesn't the Pastors words have really pi**ed off a LOT of voters!

[Bluebear]

15. I cannot understand why this church would sell those tapes.

Better they would have told Fox "News" to piss off than to try to make a buck off the tape series.

[Critters2]

22. I think they sell Jerry Wright's sermons online, from the church website.

If that's the case, anyone can buy them.

I'm hoping the Association will discipline Wright. Hoping, but not expecting.

Critters
who knows what her Association would do if she preached this crap

On edit--yeah, they sell their worship service tapes online. http://www.tucc.org/store/index.cfm?action=catbrowse&catid=40

[Hoof Hearted]

30. I guess the Obama campaign wasn't able to find someone willing to outbid FOX.

Obviously the campaign couldn't buy the tapes, or a direct surrogate.

It's all about the money. Jesus needs a lot of money, you know? At least the Jesus at THAT church. He must, otherwise, why would they sell the tapes?

[Critters2]

32. And again, the church has an online store where they sell tapes

to anyone with a credit card. No conspiracy. http://www.tucc.org/store/index.cfm?action=catbrowse&catid=40

[anigbrowl]

49. I think anyone who likes can buy them

Fox News probably bought them the way any other customer who wanted to have Wright's sermons on tape would. I have relatives who seem to enjoy watching religious services and sermons on video - I don't really get it but it's not that unusual.

I think you're leaping to conclusions and assuming Fox news negotiated the purchase of the church's video archive or something.

[Metric System]

67. Yeah but just because you buy a DVD or something doesn't give you the right to broadcast it. I would

assume copyright issues would come into play, no? I mean, if FAUX buys a DVD from Best Buy that doesn't given them the right to air it on their channel.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Ah yes, the most used logical fallacy against Obama so far

Guilt by association

[Bluebear]

18. Ah yes, this is not an anti-Obama thread it's an anti-church-selling-tapes-to -FOX-"News"- thread.

Thank you.

[Critters2]

25. They sell tapes of their worship services online. Anyone can buy them. nt

[laugle]

28. People tend to gravitate towards

people they connect with. Psychology 101............

[KittyWampus]

11. I guess I'll have to repost HOW Bill Clinton fucked over the black community with his banking deregi

deregulation.

[Hoof Hearted]

14. How revolting. Wright was in love with Bush, and Obama waxed poetic about Ray-gun.

Sprinkle with Fox Nuze,

Perfect.

[bicentennial_baby]

17. That's not even what riding dirty means....

Riding dirty means to be driving with drugs in your possession, a la rap song.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ridin+dirty

[Bluebear]

20. Bill Clinton was driving with drugs?

:crazy:

and :hi: :)

[bicentennial_baby]

23. Exactly...

:crazy: indeed.

I've been studying for a midterm since 10 am...I have no idea what's going on in here. :wtf:

And :hi: to you!

:)

[tishaLA]

52. It also means checking out someone else

when you're with someone (i.e., looking lustfully toward one woman when you're out with your girlfriend).

[anigbrowl]

54. News Flash: Language scientists discover existence of 'metaphor'

Massachusetts (AP) --

Scientists are top university MIT today were agog today over a new discovery. Called a 'metaphor', the hitherto-unknown rhetorical device can be used by speakers to refer to something while appearing to be talking about something else. "This is tremendously exciting," said D. I. Ogenes, a rhetoritician from MIT's advanced linguistic laboratory. "With metaphors, we can finally winnow the wheat from the chaff, while leaving less discriminating audiences waiting for the short bus."

[McCamy Taylor]

21. Why are we posting Fox News propaganda? Why does Obama respond to Drudge?

Stop the infighting!!!!!!

[Bluebear]

24. Why is this church selling the propaganda to FOX?

[tishaLA]

33. some churches just sell tapes of selected sermons

[Critters2]

35. This is exactly the case.

http://www.tucc.org/store/index.cfm?action=catbrowse&catid=40

[donheld]

55. Yes this is the case. That's what many churches do. My question is

why was Fox news interested in said church tapes. I wonder if they've
purchased tapes of John McCain and Hillary Clinton's church services.

[Exilednight]

26. The church wouldn't have sold the tapes if they didn't have an ax to grind with Obama.

[Critters2]

29. They sell tapes of all their worship services online.

You can buy them, if you want. Fox News just went to the church bookstore online and bought the tapes.
Take off your tinfoil. http://www.tucc.org/store/index.cfm?action=catbrowse&catid=40

[AX10]

31. Look, another preacher preaching hate.

[Critters2]

34. I hope the Association will deal with this behavior.

In the UCC we do have authorities we're supposed to answer to. Of course, I don't pastor the largest church in the denom, so the rules may be different for Wright and Moss.

[Perky]

37. Most big Churches Burn Sermons to DVD's for sale. They may not have even known Fox bought them

and they can get sued id the broadcast them without permission.

[Lucinda]

39. Wow. Are they airing the clips?

[theredpen]

40. It was on Fox News? It must be toally reliable and unbiased!

[QC]

43. Don't worry--the GOP commercials made from these "sermons" will be on every network this fall. n/t

[theredpen]

44. I don't think so

What content would these GOP commercials contain? From the article, this is what I come up with:

"Barack Obama goes to a church where the pastor trashes Bill Clinton! Vote for McCain! His pastor respects Bill Clinton!"
"Barack Obama belongs to a church that blurs the line between church and state! Vote for McCain! He'll keep religion out of the public square!"
"Barack Obama's now-retired pastor made racially divisive remarks and Obama has distanced himself. Vote for John McCain! He's proud of John Hagee's divisive remarks!"

Yeah, I see this as Republican gold. :sarcasm:

[QC]

45. They are already making hay with Obama's rather unusual church.

Chances are that there's more here than just the pastor preaching about blowjobs on Christmas. I expect they will have a field day with them.

[theredpen]

47. "Chances are" -- Faux Newspeak

Starting a statement with "chances are" is one of those things you do when you don't have any facts.

Only the religion-bashing contingent on DU would think that attacking Barack Obama and his church is going to work for the Republicans. All Obama has to do is defend the pastor's religion freedom and the Republican base will eat it up.

This is all he has to say: "I've said many times before that I disagree strongly with some of Rev. Wright's viewpoint, but I think its more important that, as Americans, our first Amendment right to preach what we believe in our churches is not infringed by either the government or attacks in the main stream media." They. Will. Eat. It. Up.

[QC]

56. Yeah, the Republican base will rally to the defense of this guy.

How dare you criticize this man of God, they will shout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPjVp3PLnVs

You really need to quit bogeying that joint,dude.

[theredpen]

58. This is *my* joint, dude.

You show up every few weeks with some crappy shwag and then you act like I owe you. Totally lame, dude.

Anyway, this doesn't have any legs. The last thing the Republicans need to do is make the problem of associating with caustic preachers into a major campaign issue. The last thing the Republicans need to do is highlight improper political activity by preachers.

We're talking about people who rallied around on the grounds that his religious freedom was under attack. Look, I don't get it either, but that's the way these people think.

If Hillary Clinton wanted to do an enormous favor for Barack Obama, she'd go on the attack with this issue. The wingnuts will rally his defense on principle.

[anamandujano]

70. Kind of like "some people say" from Keith?

[Seabiscuit]

42. This guy sounds a little insane and hateful, what kind of pastor other than the RW nutjobs talk like

this? That's disgusting that people have to hear a sermon with that crap.

[theredpen]

63. Oh dear, he's hating on the wealthy, elite (and all-white) power structure

Next thing you know, he'll be trying to keep up upstanding white folks from flying the "stars and bars."
:eyes:

[themink]

46. How can we trust a man who sits idly by while his "mentor" spews this filth

No wonder Obamarosa hates america, just about anybody would after listening to this garbage for 20 years

racism, antisemitism, anti american rhetoric. And there sits the candidate of hope and change, quietly twiddling his thumbs and listening to this.

[jefferson_dem]

48. Obamarosa?

FU.

[Metric System]

68. HiLIARy, Hitlery, Shrillary, Billary, Shillary, Monster- all names used by Obama supporters on DU.

[judaspriestess]

53. Welcome to DU themink

[theredpen]

60. Racism? Anti-Semitism?

Where?

It's now racist to point out that this country is run by rich white men who couldn't care less about the poor — particularly if those poor have dark skin?

Oh yeah, there's something you DON'T HEAR EVERY DAY on DU.

:eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

57. If you believe that advertising this pastor's words are going to do

Obama in, just remember that the ovewhelming majority of Black Americans attend church every sunday.

Mess with this religion business, and the Democratic party will lose the Black vote for decades to come.

Those pushing this will only have yourselves to blame......because those with the most to lose aren't African-Americans.

Now, go for it, but don't look at me when it explodes in your faces.

But Mark my words, which I will bookmark.

[theredpen]

59. I agree.

We need Clinton to attack Barack on this. Given the image of Hillary Clinton attacking a preacher — on any grounds — the wingnuts will cry foul. They will kill the story.

[Bluebear]

61. That's right FrenchieCat, you go ahead and excuse anything. ANYTHING as long as it suits you.

[theredpen]

62. What's she excusing?

[Kaylee]

64. Exactly what I was thinking...

Don't mess with the black church. It is the social and political foundation of our community....even today.

[tandem5]

65. ah foxnews prepping for general election I see nt

[Kaylee]

66. I want to know who's the poor sap that has to listen to 1,000 hours

of sermon for that little nugget of "faux" gold.

[Beacool]

69. Nice going reverend, nothing nicer than race baiting from the pulpit!!!

So, this is Obama's spiritual adviser.......

Too precious!!!!

:thumbsdown:

[Iceburg]

72. spiritual adviser for over 20 years/nt