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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:18 PM
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Poll question: On the substance, was Keith right? 92% of DUers think so.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 09:14 PM by Perky
Is Hillary being so malserved by her staff to the point where she must take the reigns back.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x104337


http://thenewshole.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/12/762678.aspx

Finally, as promised, a Special Comment on the presidential campaign of the Junior Senator from New York.
By way of necessary preface, President and Senator Clinton -- and the Senator's mother, and the Senator's brother -- were of immeasurable support to me at the moments when these very commentaries were the focus of the most surprise, the most uncertainty, and the most anger. My gratitude to them is abiding.
Also, I am not here endorsing Senator Obama's nomination, nor suggesting it is inevitable.
Thus I have fought with myself over whether or not to say anything.
Senator, as it has reached its apex in their tone-deaf, arrogant, and insensitive reaction to the remarks of Geraldine Ferraro... your own advisors are slowly killing your chances to become President.
Senator, their words, and your own, are now slowly killing the chances for any Democrat to become President.
In your tepid response to this Ferraro disaster, you may sincerely think you are disenthralling an enchanted media, and righting an unfair advance bestowed on Senator Obama.
You may think the matter has closed with Representative Ferraro's bitter, almost threatening resignation.
But in fact, Senator, you are now campaigning, as if Barock Obama were the Democrat, and you… were the Republican.
As Shakespeare wrote, Senator -- that way… madness… lies.
You have missed a critical opportunity to do... what was right.
No matter what Ms. Ferraro now claims, no one took her comments out of context.
She had made them on at least three separate occasions, then twice more on television this morning.
Just hours ago, on NBC Nightly News, she denied she had made the remarks in an interview -- only at a paid political speech.
In fact, the first time she spoke them, was ten days before the California newspaper published them... not in a speech, but in a radio interview.
On February 26th, quoting...
"If Barack Obama were a white man, would we be talking about this, as a potential real problem for Hillary? If he were a woman of any color, would he be in this position that he's in? Absolutely not."
The context was inescapable.
Two minutes earlier, a member of Senator Clinton's Finance Committee, one of her "Hill-Raisers," had bemoaned the change in allegiance by Super-Delegate John Lewis from Clinton to Obama, and the endorsement of Obama by Senator Dodd.
"I look at these guys doing it," she had said, "and I have to tell you, it's the guys sticking together."
A minute after the "color" remarks, she was describing herself as having been chosen for the 1984 Democratic ticket, purely as a woman politician, purely to make history.
She was, in turn, making a blind accusation of sexism -- and dismissing Senator Obama's candidacy as nothing more than an Equal Opportunity stunt.
The next day she repeated her comments to a reporter from the newspaper in Torrance, California.
"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."
And when this despicable statement -- ugly in its overtones, laughable in its weak grip of facts, and moronic in the historical context -- when it floats outward from the Clinton Campaign like a poison cloud, what do the advisors have their candidate do?
Do they have Senator Clinton herself compare the remark to Al Campanis talking on Nightline... on Jackie Robinson day... about how blacks lacked the necessities to become baseball executives, while she points out that Barock Obama has not gotten his 1600 delegates as part of some kind of Affirmative Action plan?
Do they have Senator Clinton note that her own brief period in elected office, is as irrelevant to the issue of judgment as is Senator Obama's…
…while she points out that FDR had served only six years as a governor and state Senator before he became President?
Or that Teddy Roosevelt had four-and-a-half years before the White House?
Or that Woodrow Wilson had two years and six weeks?
Or Richard Nixon… fourteen... and Calvin Coolidge 25?
Do these advisors have Senator Clinton invoke Samantha Power -- gone by sunrise after she used the word "monster" -- and have Senator Clinton say, "this is how I police my campaign and this is what I stand for," while she fires former Congresswoman Ferraro from any role the campaign?
No.
Somebody tells her that simply disagreeing with and rejecting the remarks is sufficient.
And she should then call, "regrettable", words that should make any Democrat retch.
And that she should then try to twist them, first into some pox-on-both-your-houses plea to 'stick to the issues,' and then to let her campaign manager try to bend them beyond all recognition, into Senator Obama's fault.
And thus these advisers give Congresswoman Ferraro nearly a week in which to send Senator Clinton's campaign back into the vocabulary... of David Duke.
"Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up.
"Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white.
"How's that?"
How's that?
Apart from sounding exactly like Rush Limbaugh attacking the black football quarterback Donovan McNabb?
Apart from sounding exactly like what Ms. Ferraro said about another campaign, nearly twenty years ago?
Quote:
"President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don't ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his "radical" views, "if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."
So... apart from sounding like insidious racism that is at least two decades old?
Apart from rendering ridiculous, Senator Clinton's shell-game about choosing Obama as Vice President?
Apart from this evening's resignation letter?
"I am stepping down from your finance committee so I can speak for myself and you can continue to speak for yourself about what is at stake in this campaign.
"The Obama campaign is attacking me to hurt you."
Apart from all that?
Well. It sounds as if those advisors want their campaign to be associated with those words, and the cheap… ignorant… vile… racism that underlies every syllable...
And that Geraldine Ferraro has just gone free-lance.
Senator Clinton:
This is not a campaign strategy.
This is a suicide pact.
This week alone, your so-called strategists have declared that Senator Obama has not yet crossed the "commander-in-chief threshold"…
But -- he might be your choice to be Vice President, even though a quarter of the previous sixteen Vice Presidents have become commander-in-chief during the greatest kind of crisis this nation can face: a mid-term succession.
But you'd only pick him if he crosses that threshold by the time of the convention.
But if he does cross that threshold by the time of the convention, he will only have done so sufficiently enough to become Vice President, not President.

Senator, if the serpentine logic of your so-called advisors were not bad enough...
Now, thanks to Geraldine Ferraro, and your campaign's initial refusal to break with her, and your new relationship with her -- now more disturbing still with her claim that she can now "speak for herself" about her vision of Senator Obama as some kind of embodiment of a quota...
If you were to seek Obama as a Vice President, it would be, to Ms. Ferraro, some kind of social engineering gesture, some kind of racial make-good.
Do you not see, Senator?
To Senator Clinton's supporters, to her admirers, to her friends for whom she is first choice, and her friends for whom she is second choice, she is still letting herself be perceived as standing next to, and standing by, racial divisiveness and blindness…
And worst yet, after what President Clinton said during the South Carolina primary, comparing the Obama and Jesse Jackson campaigns -- a disturbing, but only borderline remark...
After what some in the black community have perceived as a racial undertone to the "3 A-M" ad... a disturbing -- but only borderline interpretation...
And after that moment's hesitation in her own answer on 60 Minutes about Obama's religion -- a disturbing, but only borderline vagueness...
After those precedents, there are those who see a pattern... false, or true.
After those precedents, there are those who see an intent... false, or true.
After those precedents, there are those who see the Clinton campaign's anything-but-benign neglect of this Ferraro catastrophe -- falsely or truly -- as a desire to hear the kind of casual prejudice which still haunts this society voiced... and to not distance the campaign from it.
To not distance you from it, Senator!
To not distance you... from that which you as a woman, and Senator Obama as an African-American, should both know and feel with the deepest of personal pain!
Which you should both fight with all you have!
Which you should both insure, has no place in this contest!

This, Senator Clinton, is your campaign, and it is your name.
Grab the reins back from whoever has led you to this precipice, before it is too late.
Voluntarily or inadvertently, you are still awash in this filth.
Your only reaction has been to disagree, reject, and to call it regrettable.
Her only reaction has been to brand herself as the victim, resign from your committee, and insist she will continue to speak.
Unless you say something definitive, Senator, the former Congresswoman is speaking with your approval.
You must remedy this.
And you must... reject... and denounce... Geraldine Ferraro.
Good night, and good luck.
{/div]
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:19 PM
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1. He certainly was.
He was very respectful, too. Much more then I would have been. :evilgrin:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:22 PM
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4. He does the same thing with Bush complete contempt but alwasys says "Sir"
or "Mr. President"
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:58 PM
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47. Really.
So that's why I don't have my own fabulous talk show!!!

Excellent OP. Right the hell on.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:20 PM
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2. Yes, he was.
What I heard him say is that Hilary needs to take control over her campaign again, and not leave it all to her "advisors", who, in my opinion, are doing a very piss-poor job of it.

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:24 PM
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10. If Hillary isn't in charge of her campaign but her "advisers " are,
who will run a Hillary White House?
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:31 PM
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18. Do you think Obama micromanages his entire staff?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:42 PM
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24. Clearly he doesn't, but it is also clear that he lowers the boom immediately
on anyone who even nudges the line, let alone steps over it!
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:12 PM
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31. Absolutely. She loves to micromanage. I can't see Hillary turning anything over to anyone.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:17 PM
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32. Then she lacks the good judgment necessary to be president.
2 wins in the last 17 tilts?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:25 PM
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33. I agree. I think, she believes that she is as smart as everyone believes she is......
she believes to much of her own press.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:21 PM
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3. Nailed it.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:23 PM
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5. He left her a few outs by pointing out the Advisors.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:24 PM
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6. Shouldn't she have taken control of her campaign from day one??
:shrug: I'm just asking the question since she's the one putting it out there. If we are to judge these two by how they run their campaigns, it seems pretty obvious to me who I want answering the phone at 3 a.m.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:24 PM
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7. I agree that she is being malserved by her staff. But Clinton is not a racist.
To try to subtly paint the Clintons as condoning racism by only rejecting and denouncing is, as KO often says, rediculous.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:25 PM
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12. He didn't say she was a racist, but that by inaction she was allowing some people to think so (nt)
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:26 PM
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13. So, which is worse, a racist or someone who uses racist code language
for political gain?

George Wallace once said he wasn't racist, but advocating racism was a way to win votes.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:35 PM
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22. Comparing Clinton to George Wallace is exactly what I'm talking about.
He did not say he was a racist. But he certainly tried to link the two concepts. When he tried to paint the 3am ad as racist (an accusation that even Obama supporters in the MSM called laughable), it was clear he had an adgenda.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:53 PM
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41. If you enable racism (actively or by keeping quiet) are you not a racist?
I think you are. I'm sorry to HRC supporters, but I think Hillary is up to her neck in this. But, true to form, she will not say or do anything until it's been "vetted" with her advisors, ... or a poll, ... or a focus group. She really has the worst inability to come down on an issue one way or the other, ... ala' her answer about whether illegal immigrants should be able to get driver's licenses. She obviously hadn't checked with her advisors on what the "right" answer was there. It's part of a pattern, indeed, and she's showing this pattern again and again when she supports explicitly or implicitly her surrogates and ad agencies when they use these racial undertones.

:dem:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:27 PM
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42. So, is George W. Bush "being malserved" by his staff? (Poor George.)
One of the skills a candidate for President MUST demonstrate is an aptitude for selecting staff, advisors, and subordinates with integrity and character and then an ability to supervise and direct their activities CONSISTENT with the candidate's intents.

This is fundamental. It is fundmental to business and the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act specifically insists upon it for every business in the United States, requiring each to maintain a system of internal controls that assures that any and all acts undertaken by employees and agents of the company are consistent with management's intents. Indeed, the FCPA specifically abolished "plausible deniability" for any criminal acts undertaken by the company due to the absence of such controls, deeming management responsible and extending mens rea as inclusive of a failure to assure such knowledge.

If Clinton is NOT in control of the behavior of her staff, that CONDEMNS her ability to be Chief Executive. Indeed, it is even a greater condemnation of her qualifications for Commander in Chief, since Command and Control are absolutely CRITICAL in the military ... all the way to the TOP!!

This is NOT "mere politics" and is the most legitimate examination that can be performed of a campaign - most of which is kabuki and Keystone Kops.

Clinton seems to be demonstating why she has a background bereft of executive experience. It's not a happenstance if, in fact, she's so unskilled in the fundamentals of the task.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:24 PM
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8. It was a noble plea for her to take control of her campaign and weed out some of her insane advisors
One would hope she'd listen, but I doubt it (given how the campaign has gone). Well, perhaps I'll be surprised.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:24 PM
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9. Unfortunately.
Hillary Clinton should never have agreed to walk down this road as strategy. As far as Ferraro goes, her history is clear for all to see it seems. I could never have imagined where we are right now.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:24 PM
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11. Hillary supporter voting YES!!!!!
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:28 PM
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14. well I'd have an issue with the question
since it suggests it's the staff to blame and she's this innocent bystander who doesn't have the leadership to keep them in control.
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jmg257 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:28 PM
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15. I don't blame it on her staff. She has not taken ownership of ANYTHING, (other then Bill'sexperiece)
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:28 PM
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16. Good thing Du doesn't represent the left
or Hillary might be in trouble... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:30 PM
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17. Has Keith ever had a Special Comment about Obama or his campaign?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:43 PM
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25. What has Obama done to elicit a Special Comment? nt
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:44 PM
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26. That was my point.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:01 PM
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28. Oh, sorry that I misunderstood you. I thought you might be calling for
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 09:02 PM by hedgehog
Olberman to denounce the Obama campaign as well out of a sense of balance. I'm glad to see we're really on the same page.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:40 PM
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37. How about having an anti gay bigot
spout anti gay bigotry on his dime. Oh, I forgot, hating faggots if perfectly fine.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:55 PM
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45. There you go again..with your
red herrings when nobody has said anything of the kind in Obama's campaign or his supporters but you wanna play victim.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:38 AM
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56. Obama had an anti gay bigot speak on his dime
It is a total lie to say he didn't. Even Obama admits that much.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:48 AM
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58. But the bigotry was not directed at Clinton
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:47 PM
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59. Well, there ya go..so it is a red
herring.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:04 PM
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61. so it is perfectly OK if Hillary gets an anti semite to speak for her
as long as Obama isn't the target?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:54 PM
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62. Did I say that?
You aew mixing apples and oranges here
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:37 AM
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68. It most certainly isn't different
He is every bit as hateful toward gays as your typical anti semite is toward Jews.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:54 AM
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70. Who?
Obama? Or McClurkin?

First of all I agree McClurkin is a bigot but Ferraro did not attack African American She went after Obama.

It would be apples to apples if McClurkin was advocating for Obama and as a bigot suggested that Hillary only had appeal because she was straight.

Now as an aside. Should Obama apoligize for McClurkin's views? Well he repuditated them and rejected them. But the LGBT cmmunity insists that he publicly say he is sorry for putting him up on stage. I understand how offensive it was....or at least I can begin to appreciate the offense.
But to merit a special comment by KO, the litmus test would seem to be a pattern, a persistent pattern, of doing the same thing over and over again for tactical benefit. That has not happened in the case of Obama and the LGBT Community.


But I still insist that you are trying to draw a comparison and contrast which just is too far a reach.

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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:54 PM
Original message
Nightmare on Dupe Street
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:56 PM by Perky
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:54 PM
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63. Dupe of Dupe
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:55 PM by Perky
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:54 PM
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64. Dupe
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 09:55 PM by Perky
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 02:03 PM
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60. and where did I say it was?
I would presume if Hillary had an anti Semite speak you would be appalled and Olberman would have given a special comment despite the fact that Obama wouldn't have been directly insulted.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 11:44 AM
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57. It most certainly isn't a red herring, saying that is dishonest
and callous. How can you say that a man supporting and performing for Obama isn't fair game when he's a raving gay-hating horse's ass? If Obama had taken care of this it wouldn't be an issue. But it is.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:14 PM
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65. It is not that it is not fair game. it is simply mixiing apples and oranges
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:32 PM
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19. No, she is directing this, she has the reins n/t
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:34 PM
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20. he eluded to that, and mentioned the "pattern"
i was suprised..
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:34 PM
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21. without question
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:38 PM
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23. If she can't control her campaign staff, then...
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 08:39 PM by totodeinhere
how could she be expected to manage her staff effectively if she were the president? It has been a long standing rule of thumb that candidates manage their campaigns in the same way they would govern should they be elected. If there ever was a reason not to vote for Clinton, this is it.

(Edited for typo.)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 08:46 PM
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27. WOW!
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:06 PM
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29. Yes.
n/t.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:08 PM
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30. Why yes, he was n/t
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:28 PM
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34. I think he gave her too much credit. She isn't being ill-served, she's calling the shots.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:37 PM
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35. kick
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karmicglee Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:39 PM
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36. Of course. DU is 90% pro-Obama
Those results are to be expected.

If a poll were made of say, the next PA primaries, Obama would win easily here. Doesn\'t mean he will win the PA primaries.
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:43 PM
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39. So it was untrue? Or does the truth hurt?
Hillary Clinton is losing it and making us all sad in the process.
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karmicglee Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:38 PM
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40. Yes, it was untrue
And a DU poll doesn\'t make it true, which is what the OP implied.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:57 PM
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46. The majority says it's true and your
whining doesn't make it less so.
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verelsol Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:16 PM
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66. That is a logical fallacy. Majorities do not determine the truth
It is possible for a majority of people to believe something, and for it to be false.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 10:24 PM
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67. Sorry
I am not crazy about either of the candidates but Keith was spot on here.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:41 PM
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38. thats about the percentage that feel gays are whiny and given to fits of false outrage too. nt.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:33 PM
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43. Check this out...........
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:59 PM
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48. "Cancer of Racism in the dlc"..
hmmm? I'll check it tomorrow if I feel like I take it.
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 11:50 PM
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44. Pretty much nailed it.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 12:59 AM
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49. I think KO was dead wrong on this one
Hillary is the one running this campaign, she bears the responsibility for what happens and what her employees say. I understand that he needed to allow he some cover, but I have no such restrictions. Her surrogates are racist, her campaign is racist and she and her husband are racists.



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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:12 AM
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50. the damage has been done -DNC should apply Zell Miller rule
now.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:16 AM
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51. That's because only KO "dittoheads" still watch his show
and they are the ones "voting" here.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:16 AM
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52. That's nice.
More divisive and insulting comments form ClintonCo.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:22 AM
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53. No, many of us who support Clinton have long stopped watching him
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 05:51 AM
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54. You may be delusional, too.

"she has *earned* more votes in more crucial states"

:wtf:

She's actually losing, there is a difference, you know. That seems to be the real problem with people.

Some folks just cannot accept the reality that she is losing, not winning, and nothing is being stolen from her.


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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:06 AM
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55. I thought it was over the top to call Ferraro's comments racist. Keith often overreacts.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:38 AM
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69. Not even arguable.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 11:57 AM
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71. You are deluded if you think that your poll was correct. what a dufus!
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:01 PM
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72. You are a liar
It is only 91%
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 12:05 PM
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73. Newsflash: Close To 100% Obama Supporters Voted In This Poll. Many Hillary Supporters Have Left GDP
That is all.

O8)
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