Why am I supporting Obama and not Clinton against McCain? Two reasons.

[Bicoastal]

1) In the event that the GE is a cakewalk, I'd rather win with Obama than win with Clinton, and

2) in the event that the GE becomes unwinnable, I'd rather LOSE with Obama than LOSE with Clinton.

It's just that simple.

[Olney Blue]

1. I don't understand why you would rather lose with Obama.

[Bicoastal]

2. Because then I'll know we gave it our best shot with a campaign I can be proud of.

Not a campaign that we'll look back on and say--"Well, we stooped to their level, and where did it get us?"

[Cha]

5. Great answer..

[not_too_L8]

6. thank you..n/t

[Olney Blue]

7. I like your answer.... but we were "nice" in 2000 and 2004.

And where did it get us?

[Bicoastal]

8. We were "nice," but we weren't smart.

Let's talk about 2004, which I feel we lost, and not 2000, which I feel we won.

Now, Obama is a strong candidate in the areas that Kerry was weak in--firing back at ugly rumors immediately, building a strong base with "outsiders" such as young people, blacks and independents, and generally making people vote for him because they WANT to, not because they HAVE to. If he can't win against McCain, who can?

Hillary? But Obama is doing better than Hilllary on a National Level and a Regional Level, and I've seen very little variability in those numbers. The Democrats as a whole simply like him better than they like Hillary, and they like the campaign he's running more than they like Hillary's.

So, when I say a candidate I can be proud of, I don't just mean a positive run with a minimum of dirty tricks and sliming. I mean a candidate whom Democrats really LIKE, not just respect. Who tries to bring Americans together instead of strengthening the borders between red states and blue states. What I'm saying is EVEN IF HE LOSES, it'd be good for the party. I don't think he WOULD lose the GE if Hillary puts aside her anger and gets behind his campaign, but if she does, that's her fault. And if Hillary was our nominee and loses, it'd once again be another episode in the Clinton Soap Opera, not a loss the party could get behind and accept.

[Olney Blue]

9. Nice post, Bicoastal.

:thumbsup: I think it was good that John Kerry has advised Obama's campaign- he said that we would never be swiftboated again, and you are right about Obama's punching back immediately. I have been impressed with that too.

[islandmkl]

3. Obama has a future that won't disappear after one GE defeat....

Hillary may or may not have another real shot 4, let alone, 8 years from now....

This political math in this regard favors the younger; experienced or inexperienced begins to fade with time....which is how it is 'counted' to begin with

[democrattotheend]

4. I agree with point 1, but not point 2

If we are going to lose I'd rather have Clinton at the top of the ticket. That way he's the one who gets another chance in four years.