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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:09 AM
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Has Hillary denounced and rejected Geraldine Feraro yet?
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 02:17 AM by ashling
just wondered. :shrug:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:11 AM
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1. still waiting for Mark Penn's memo
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:15 AM
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2. Nope, hasn't rejected OR denounced.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:48 AM
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15. She need not go there.....no reason.
She was asked her opinion and she gave it. Some liked it some didn't....that's life.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:13 AM
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19. Ms Power was aksed her opinion too. Can you spel hypocirisy
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:23 AM
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23. Was she asked her professional opinion of Hillary Clinton
or was it just an off the cuff, add-on personal opinion? You see, that's the difference, Ferraro gave a professional, political assessment.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:54 AM
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24. Do you think that Ferraro's comments are appropriate?
Is it something you would say?
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:13 AM
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20. Ms Power was aksed her opinion too. Can you spell double standards.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 04:16 AM by cooolandrew
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:17 AM
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3. she probably will after PA
:sarcasm:
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:14 PM
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31. If she wins... It's only because she's a woman... Just like Ferraro said. n/t
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liberaltrucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:19 AM
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4. Don't hold your breath
:grr:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:21 AM
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5. is there a thread here explaining why she should?
Because I am not seeing it, and I am no fan of Hillary, although I did vote for Ferraro once.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:22 AM
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7. See this video
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:36 AM
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10. okay, for pragmatic reasons
because some people cannot handle the truth, and because the media is flogging both of them for it. That I can see.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:20 AM
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21. OMG it's getting worse. Thank god Ferraro didn't get VP all those years back.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:31 AM
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9. Do you need a diagram or something?
She said the only reason Obama is doing so well is because he is black, and that he is lucky to be black. This despite the fact there are hardly any black politicians who are Governors or Senators. This despite the fact he has run a great campaign and has brought huge numbers of new voters to the polls (among other things). Furthermore, when the Clinton camp distanced themselves but didn't cut tehir ties to her, she said

"Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up. Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

I'm sorry, but Obama's luckiness at being black (assuming that is even true) fits under addressing "reality and the problems we're facing in this world"? How so? How is belittling him and how he's run his campaign addressing those? How is it at all appropriate to pretend being black somehow makes life easier in America (does that not belittle the plight of blacks who must deal with racism?)

Should these statements not be denounced? If Hillary was said to be doing so well "only because she's a woman", and hence implying she doesn't have the merit to be where she is, should not that be denounced as well? Have statements like that not been denounced in the past (though they were not made by the Obama campaign)?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:06 AM
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12. Facts are still facts. Ferraro was discussing reality.
Would a freshman Senator have won South Carolina if he was white? Especially running against the spouse of Bill Clinton? Would Oprah have endorsed a white candidate from Illinois? Did she mention some policy reason for endorsing him?

Obama came into this race with less experience and less name recognition than Edwards. Granted, the media helped, but it's hard for me to see how Obama would have gotten 90% of the black vote in Mississippi if he was a white candidate with the same experience who gave the same speeches.

I'm not sure what Ferraro was trying to prove by saying what she did, but I don't see it as either inaccurate or malicious. It's certainly not about being black makes life easier in America, but it has made it easier for a freshman Senator to become our nominee against an otherwise unbeatable opponent.

I am glad it has happened, but I am not sure why we need to pretend that race had nothing to do with it.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:43 AM
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13. He's run a great campaign and is an amazingly moving speaker
As some said in response to this, if he was white he'd be John Kennedy (even black he's been compared to Kennedy).

He might well have done even better if he was white. He had a hard time getting the white vote in S.C., and other States, such as Ohio (where 20% of the voters said race was important and 75% of those voted for Hillary) might have gone to him.

Would the campaign be different if he was white? Sure. You can't say it is "just because he is black" though. That's as wrong-headed as Chris Matthew's comment that Hillary would be nowhere without the Lewinsky scandal (I assume you objected to that, yes?). Good people find a way.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:10 PM
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30. Even Kennedy, though, did not run for President after only 3 years
in the Senate. He had six years in Congress and six in the Senate, had almost been nominated for Vice President, had won a Pulitzer Prize and was a war hero before he got the nomination.

Obama simply would not be taking 90% of the black vote, especially not against a Clinton, if he was white. Given the low turnout in primaries, that is enough to tip the scales in his favor. Apparently Democrats who are white are not as moved by his speeches. From the snippets I've seen, he isn't any better at speaking than Jesse Jackson or Bill Clinton. So I don't think his overwhelming black support is accounted for by his speeches.
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:55 AM
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25. and Hillary truly is a monster who will do anything to get elected.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:08 AM
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27. Exactly!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:21 AM
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6. The pressure is growing.
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 02:22 AM by Quixote1818
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:25 AM
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8. Maybe after her speech
conceding defeat in Mississippi
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 02:37 AM
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11. No she will reveal her tax dealings in the last 7 years first
then she will concede her 37% win in Mississippi.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 05:07 AM
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22. Didn't Ferraro Have The Same Tax Issue?
IIRC, she couldn't release her taxes for quite some time, something to do with her husband being affiliated with the Mob.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:46 AM
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14. Why? Ferraro is entitled to her opinion.
I remember her as a VP Candidate. Yea, a woman.
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travelingtypist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 03:49 AM
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16. Has Karl Rove denounced and rejected
push-polling, like would you vote for John McCain if you
knew he had a black baby?

Same thing.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:02 AM
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17. Ferraro was the token female candidate on the 1984 ticket with Mondale
and was resoundingly by Reagan in a landslide. How ironic.

and Hillary hired this loser for campaign advice? No surprise there.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:06 AM
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18. Nah, don't think we can expect that from hypocrites r us....
Edited on Wed Mar-12-08 04:12 AM by cooolandrew
Least there is one thing in this campaign it has shown all those who put power before the will of the people. Still waiting on the Spritzer denounce and renouncement of his endorsement. I won't wait up for it.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:05 AM
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26. In this day and age it is incredible that Ferrarro was not fired
The Hillary campaign insisted that the woman who called her a monster get fired. She was fired.

But Ferrarro still has her job.

I think this significant, and it also smacks of a plan. I fear that the Hillary campaign has, as part of a plan, to paint Obama as the "black candidate", contrasting to her being the "mainstream candidate". It would also like to peel off conservative Democratic voters who may themselves be racist. This may be the first time I can remember a race strategy for a Democratic nomination.

Hillary could help decrease these fears by firing Ferrarro and condemning what she said, much the same way she said Obama should condemn Farrakan.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:24 AM
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28. No. She just LIED and said Ferraro wasn't part of her campaign.
Can't wait for that Olberman SC tonight.
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codeindigo Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 06:28 AM
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29. has Obama denonced his Rev Wright?
he will be a huge problem in the GE! he claims "WHITE AMERICA" caused 911...explain HOW Barack entends on fight the RW and defend this remark his rev made right after the attcks.
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