Are the voters in Wyoming having buyers remorse with Hillary?

[NJSecularist]

I believe so.

[tekisui]

1. I am curious if she even has a speech planned tonight?

Anybody know?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

23. You won't hear a peep.

[thunder rising]

2. No remorse, WY didn't even put a down payment on Clinton.

[stop the bleeding]

18. thats funny

:beer:

[ruggerson]

3. Hillary was never expected to do well in WY

despite the lowered expectations spin here to the contrary

[TwilightGardener]

4. Why not? Are there too many latte-sippers in WY? I don't see why

she can't do well there. Explain.

[tammywammy]

5. Too much republican cross over & independents

:rofl:

[Strelnikov_]

10. Worst coffee in the world

Maverick convenience store in Lusk WY, late-June 1985, 3:00 A.M..

About as far from latte as one can get.

It did serve it's intended purpose in waking one up, though.

[TwilightGardener]

11. Amen. I have been on that stretch of I-80 enough to know that

it's hot, and brown, and needs a lot of doctoring.

[ruggerson]

14. Because it's a caucus

Obama voters are younger, more activist, motivated types in general. They will show up at a caucus. Clinton voters, generalizing again, are older and not as tuned into the process and would show up at a primary, but not participate in a caucus.

There are 57,000 registered Dems in WY. Look and see at the end of the day how representative the vote totals in the caucus is of the entire state.

Them's the rules, and Obama will win this quite legitimately. But no one can make a rational argument that the caucuses are a method of selecting delegates that works to expand democracy and reach out to more voters. Most of them are relics of a much earlier time and will, hopefully, be abolished down the road in an effort to encourage more participation.

[NJSecularist]

16. Nobody was complaining when Hillary won in Nevada

[ruggerson]

20. Who's complaining?

Obama is getting a well deserved win. But, the caucus system being what it is, it's not necessarily representative of the will of Wyoming voters. It may be, but if you look at the few states that held BOTH primaries and caucuses (WA and TX for example) it's pretty easy to see that there are big differences between overall voter preferences in a primary and what happens in a caucus.

[TwilightGardener]

24. Why is it not repesentative of the "will" of the voters? Is someone

preventing Hillary caucusgoers from showing up? Seems to me she's got about 40% right now.

[ruggerson]

31. Because if a caucus, say, attracts 20% of registered voters

and a primary attracts 50% of registered voters, it's pretty obvious which one is more representative of the actual will of the voter. OBama could very well have won a primary here, too. Probably by a much closer margin. But, we'll never know.

[TwilightGardener]

39. If the voters have the "will" to see their candidate win, they show up. Nuff said.

[NJSecularist]

45. Very well said.

Each candidate knew the ground rules before they established an exploratory committee. They knew they'd have to win in the caucus format as well as the primary format.

[Leopolds Ghost]

57. Bad statistics

20% and 50% are equally accurate representations of the population.

Research is done with what, 1% of the population is a statistically accurate sample.

[angie_love]

25. Obama won the WA primary though and he only lost the TX primary by 3 pts.

[ruggerson]

28. but look at the difference in the numbers between the primaries and the caucuses

[angie_love]

44. you can't fault Obama for doing well in caucuses b/c hes more organized.

I mean really...what do you propose happen now?

[Exilednight]

17. WIth huge caucus turnouts this season, I could see an argument to promote the opposite.

[ruggerson]

21. You'd have a hard time making that case

There are very few, if any states, that have had a larger percentage turnout in a caucus than a primary (where the votes actually counted for delegates in the primary).

[TwilightGardener]

26. Caucuses are more time-limited and time-consuming. That doesn't mean

they're less valid.

[Exilednight]

37. Not really. I would point to the large percentagge increase in caucus turnout over previous....

years, and then point to the general age category of caucus goers, who do tend to be younger.

I would then argue that younger voters are the future of the party and have the ability to grow the party base better than those of us who have been around for a while and have failed to do so.

[TwilightGardener]

22. So Clinton's base is the ignorant and unmotivated? And you're happy with that?

[ruggerson]

27. No, they're just average voters

who aren't political activists. Not being tuned into the day to day happenings of this campaign doesn't mean you're ignorant and uneducated. It just means you have other concerns and priorities in your life. Of course, there are conversely some Clinton supporters who are very politically active. IF there weren't, she would not have supporters here at DU.

[TwilightGardener]

29. I saw lots of average voters at my caucus in Nebraska. I didn't see

anyone who looked like "activists". Our room went 60-40 Obama. Average Nebraskans on a Saturday, that's it. Sorry, that's a bullshit meme.

[ruggerson]

34. It's not a meme

it's demonstrable fact. A primary, by and large, attracts more voters than a caucus does. Empirical evidence tells us that is the case.

[TwilightGardener]

36. Again, caucuses are time-controlled, so that limits participation. But unless there's something

that's stopping Clinton supporters from showing up, then both she and Obama have an equally fair shot. So her losses (and wins, she's had a few caucus wins) can't really be legitimately explained away as a process issue. It just shows that her support is extremely fickle, shallow, and probably based on the Clinton brand-name.

[KittyWampus]

47. And Obama wasn't expected to win Ohio or Texas.

[slinkerwink]

53. there were NO polls in WY

and her 'momentum' after Ohio and Rhode Island should've led her to a win in Wyoming!

[frogcycle]

6. huh?

when did they "buy" her?

[FlyingSquirrel]

7. People on the ground in WY said her campaign just got there a few days ago

And Obama's been there for several weeks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4962489#4962676

[K Gardner]

30. Hillary to WY: "Caucuses are NOT Elections." CNN just played a clip of

her actually saying that in Cheyenne yesterday at a rally. She said "People who vote for me don't know what caucuses are and so they don't go."

Is she fucking crazy?

[FlyingSquirrel]

33. In a word, yes. I believe she is crazy.

[adoraz]

38. LOL, I can't believe she said that

[TwilightGardener]

40. What? Is she shitting us?

[frogcycle]

46. damn, I think maybe it is getting to her

we may need an intervention

[Cha]

49. Yes. And she's turning

her surrogates into zombies.

[City Lights]

50. OMG, she gets more ridiculous with each passing day.

Now she's insulting her voters too. :rofl:

[NDambi]

52. "Is she fucking crazy? "

Abso-fucking-lutely!

[krkaufman]

55. Wow. Still not ready ... on day 409. Ugh. n/t

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4872232

[krkaufman]

56. As Kos coined it... it's part of her "Ignore 40 States Strategy" n/t

[Cronus Protagonist]

8. Based on what?

A gut feeling?

[joshcryer]

9. You do? She'd doing better than she's ever done in a small population red state caucus.

[NJSecularist]

12. Voters in Wyoming are clearly rejecting Hillary after her big win in Ohio

Clearly, buyers remorse.

[ruggerson]

15. lol

even from here I can see the smirk on your face as you're typing.

[Renew Deal]

13. Between the polls and Wyoming, it's clear that people object to Hillary endorsing McCain.

[surfin]

19. Her buddy Cheney could not get them motivated for her

Did you see the videos on here yesterday of Cheney speaking and then followed Hillary saying the same thing. They had several of them.

[TheDeathadder]

32. her buddy?

Dick's his cousin.

[surfin]

41. I wish I could find those videos on here yesterday

Maybe someone knows about them and you will see her copying (sorry for hillary people xeroxing) his words and giving them out.

[TeamJordan23]

35. Even if she did, she would not congratulate him again. nm

[skooooo]

42. From the way Obama is running up the numbers...

...it would seem so.

[NJSecularist]

43. Agreed

The voters are clearly having second thoughts.

[HeraldSquare212]

48. The voters are now getting serious.

[City Lights]

51. All signs point to yes. eom

[Beacool]

54. Oh please, so much nasty B.S. on this board!!!

Obama was predicted to win WY because it's a caucus state and he'll definitely will win MS thanks to the African American vote.

[AtomicKitten]

58. Clearly, and how about the momentum shift? Dayum.

:thumbsup: