It's clear the corporate whores want McCain for VP and dread Clark

[MoonRiver]

This is becoming blatantly and ridiculously obvious. McCain expresses NO interest in the position, so I can't imagine why the whores keep trying to shove him in our faces as a potential choice. Maybe they think it will get Kerry, and US, off focusing on the "other" war hero, who is actually a Democrat. Whatever, it ain't gonna work, at least not for this Clark fan. :D

[Padraig18]

1. Not working on this Edwards/Clark fan, either.

It's possibly the single-most absurd idea for a VP nominee I have ever heard suggested. Shows you what happens when media whores have too much free time and too little common sense, huh? :shrug:

[Mz Pip]

2. They're playing with us

Kerry won't pick McCain. Speculation is fun and the media need something to do for the next few weeks. Heaven knows they can't cover the scandals in the White House.

MzPip
:dem:

[Nashyra]

3. I have been thinking the same thing

Clark brings everything that McCain could bring in the way of national security experience plus more, why would McCain be such a great VP choice and not Clark. Something is not right here. There is clearly something going on behind the scenes that most of us are not aware of, of course maybe that is exactly what is supposed to be happening?

[MoonRiver]

4. I don't know but I sense the Pukes really fear Clark.

This must mean he's got something they know will undercut AWOL and chickenhawk Cheney. I still believe that a Kerry/Clark ticket would be the absolute best in terms of discrediting illegal resident.

[The Traveler]

5. The only advantage of McCain would be ...

the possibility of drawing more moderate republicans and independents towards the Democratic Party. The strategy here would be to first form a centrist coalition and gradually move it towards a more liberal platform. Me, I think it would be wonderful if it could be made to work. I'm unconvinced it could ever be made to work. McCain is a bit too right leaning on social issues. Though I really do respect him, we have more than enough talent with centrist appeal in the democratic party: Clark, Edwards, Biden to name a few.

[Leilani]

6. Did you see Hardball tonight?

McCain was on, said he's not switching parties, & he is a Republican. Also, that he doesn't want to be Veep. Said Bush in 2000 asked if he would be interested & he said NO. Also said there are lots of problems with the Repubs & he wants to work from WITHIN to fix. Also, said he is an independent voice from Arizona, which is tradition, & if he was to switch to become Veep, he would lose respect for honesty.

Next big story, they discussed Veeps, & Wes was mentioned. The reporter on Hardball, said Kerry does not trust Clark because he spread Kerry rumors. I thought this had all been resolved. He said Kerry doesn't think Edwards has enough experience, FP, security. Also said that Kerry will not pick Bob Graham, because of his diaries, which are considered really odd. Said that was the reason Gore did not pick Graham.

By the way, the reporter's name is David Shuster.

[MoonRiver]

8. Yes, I saw that interview. It was very, very interesting.

Matter of fact, that's what inspired this thread! So y'all can just blame ole' Tweety! :D

[Leilani]

9. I think it has something to do with Matthews hatred of Lehane

Remember when he had Lehane on, & grilled him? Ever since then, Tweety doesn't mention Wes.

Back when Wes was on Hardball for the College tour at Harvard, Tweety was pretty nice to him. Also said something about how much excitement Wes had generated in the audience.

Something happened to his attitude, & I think it had to do with Lehane.

[JI7]

16. those intern rumors ?

that's a bunch of crap . so if kerry doesn't pick clark they can all start talking about the intern thing and put it out there as if it's true and say kerry didn't pick him because of that. the only one that makes sense is the edwards one on foreign policy and experience but everyone knows if edwards is picked it will not be because of those things.

[leyton]

Hold up.

I thought Clark was DNC? Or is it basically whoever is not getting enough attention is being screwed over by corporations? I want Clark to be in strong consideration for VP, but if that doesn't happen, is it necessarily the fault of the corporate whores? Ultimately, Kerry decides who's VP, not the media. Geez.

[leyton]

7. dupe

cheers

[Auntie Bush]

10. The corp/media are always trying to find us the

candidate they fear least. Now they want a Republican.
I like McCain...but he IS a Republican. Why wouldn't we want a Democrat? Why wouldn't we want Wes Clark? :shrug:

[Bombtrack]

11. I really don't think Clark has shown more interest than McCain

If you wish to show evidence to the contrary feel free. You're the one charging conspiracy.

[Old and In the Way]

12. Clark would be an ideal choice, IMHO.

Kerry will need 1st rate counsel on Iraq. Cark could leverage his European coalition building experience to transition Iraq to a UN operation. Obviously he is one smart dude and his degree in economics might come in handy as we begin digging ourselves out of this trainwreck of an economy.

This country is going to need to Presidential caliber leaders to fix this mess. I hope Kerry taps him for Veep.

[tameszu]

13. Clarkie here who LOVES the McCain VP talk

You're right that it has something to do with the way in which the corporate news media is structured, but not quite the way you think: they are eating up the McCain for VP story because of one reason only: it's compelling and entertaining in the shallow and speculative way that cable and network news networks love, because it boosts ratings. But we shouldn't complain, because, as I've said before:

1) It will almost certainly NOT happen. Kerry hasn't offered it and McCain has pointed to all the reasons why it wouldn't work. This is equivalent to the Hillary candidate fantasies, when everyone who actually took politics seriously knew that there wasn't any chance that she was getting in by the fall.

2) This narrative is a FANTASTIC one for us, because it is directly attached to the "Bush is messing up things so badly that Republicans in his own party is really kicking his ass" narrative. Add McCain's happy words about Kerry to Hagel's and Lugar's, and we have Zell's know-nothing grunts completely trumped. We should lurve the media herd heading in the direction, and this Clarkie is willing to do EVERYTHING in his power to encourage it, and I'm sure the General would too.

[BootinUp]

14. I think you are right

Its not always easy to disconnect and look at it analytically like that. But no question this is hurting the shrubster.

[JI7]

15. 2 points

in this case, kerry will be the only one making the decision on vp and it will be based on lots of research, analysis, and thought. so media doesn't really matter. in fact vp picks are often surprises, someone most did not expect. so if the media does not report on clark this means he actually has more of a chance of being chosen based on history. in 2000 many thought gore would pick kerry or graham. but he picked lieberman. while it was known towards the end that lieberman was on the list not many actually thought of him being picked. the same goes for clinton picking gore. nobody would have thought he would pick not only someone else from the south, but from a state right next to him. and of course cheney picked himself for vp. most said bush would get frank keating or some california congressman like chris cox.but we now know and many knew then bush doesn't really control things.

but also important is that i hear others who ran in the primary are many times not chosen for vp. this was the case with bill clinton and george w bush also.

what this shows is we wont really know much until kerry makes his pick. we had two articles come out just days apart , one claiming kerry will make his vp pick early, the other one saying he is in no hurry and that the search is still very much in early stages without them having really done much in that area.

[BootinUp]

17. Yep

"We had two articles come out just days apart , one claiming kerry will make his vp pick early, the other one saying he is in no hurry and that the search is still very much in early stages without them having really done much in that area."

That was quite hilarious, their grasping at straws.