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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:52 AM
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GERALDINE FERRARO on Leher News HR—Clinton advocate: [&other news]
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:25 AM by rodeodance

GERALDINE FERRARO on Leher News HR—Clinton advocate:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june08/demdiscuss_03-05.html

………Experience, electability debated

JIM LEHRER: Well, Geraldine Ferraro, let's be very specific here for a moment. The issue that the exit polls and the pundits say that really caused it to go the way it did, particularly in Ohio and also in Texas for Hillary Clinton, was this 3 o'clock in the morning thing, that she was ready to get that call as president and Barack Obama was not.

Do you agree that that's a legitimate issue and that's something that will not rub things too raw, if the two of them continue to debate that?

GERALDINE FERRARO: I think that was more of an issue where it was run in Texas than it was in Ohio. In Ohio, I understand that the main issue was the economy, and that's because things are such a disaster there.

You have people who are really concerned about how they're going to feed their families, where jobs are going, who can create jobs. And it was based on the substance of her stands on these various issues that they went out and voted for her.

And it was interesting to see where they did these exit polls that a lot of little, old ladies like me were voting for Hillary because we've seen all this. We have looked at who can get things done.

And to be quite frank, I mean, I can give -- I will give Barack Obama, you know, absolute praise for the best political campaign I have ever seen run. But this is not about process anymore; this is about who can be the leader.

And even his remarks on all the television shows this morning -- and I watched quite a few this morning -- was on process, counting the delegates, whether or not we can win, if the caucuses are here.

There are no caucuses in November. Can we win in November? Can he win in the large states where they're out counting votes in elections? That's an important issue.

And can he stand up? He can laugh about, you know, her experience. I happen to have been in Geneva as part of the Human Rights Commission during the first part of the Clinton administration. I was in Beijing with her. I have been involved in a whole bunch of NDI programs. I'm on its board.

I've seen her involvement in 82 countries that she visited. You know, you don't have to negotiate treaties in order to get experience. None of us did in the House or in the Senate. We had experience before we ever would embark on something like this.Florida presents a dilemma

JIM LEHRER: Geraldine Ferraro, do you see a scenario that has Hillary Clinton winning this nomination?

GERALDINE FERRARO: Absolutely. I was really rather surprised that Senator Bradley went into an attack negative mode, because that really wasn't his style when we served together in the Congress and he was in the Senate. And I will not do the same thing.

But let me just say to you that I feel very, very strongly, as does Leo, that there are lots of votes out there that should and will be counted.
You know, this whole situation with Florida and Michigan, I can't -- if I were an attorney representing Michigan, I'd just say, "Hey, listen, you're in deep trouble. I can't see how I could move the delegates to accept your position that you should be there when you violated the DNC rules."

But Florida is another instance. Florida, on the other hand, has had a situation where the date of the election was set by a Republican governor, a Republican state legislature. They had no choice: Either go to the polls and vote or don't go at all.

You have that right taken away from you because it's done by a Republican governor in violation of Democratic Party rules. And it was done so that Florida and the Republican Party would really be focused on in a way different from hanging chads (inaudible) four years ago and be in a position where they would become real players in the Republican Party, as they were with Rudy Giuliani dropping out and John McCain being endorsed by the governor.

So I think Florida really has a legitimate argument for being seated. In addition to that, both candidates appeared on the ballot, and neither one of those candidates appeared at any time or campaigned.

And I say that, as a Floridian part-time, I offered to go out and do a fundraiser for Hillary over the Christmas holidays when I was down at my home. And they said, "Don't do it. Don't do it. We're not allowed to campaign. We're not doing anything. We're not coming into the state."

So I know they didn't do that. That was an even playing field for both of them. And so that state, I would argue, with the delegates for them to be seated.

But that's what super-delegates -- I was part of the Hunt Commission that created those super-delegates in 1982. They are meant to be independent.

The unfortunate thing is that they're not supposed to make the decision on their political future, which is what Senator Bradley raised before. And he's right. Some of these people have had primaries against them or they're worried about it and they're getting pressure.

It was interesting to watch Congressman Cleaver from Missouri the other day say, "How come only African-American members of Congress are getting these kinds of pressures? How come nobody is pressuring John Kerry and Ted Kennedy?"

And, by the way, the co-chair of the Obama campaign, Governor Patrick, and now Patrick Kennedy in Rhode Island, where your state, you represent half of that state, where the state goes 58 percent-42 percent? You know…….

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_el_pr/democrats;_ylt=An7KhbYqxwyESUrcSITVXZOs0NUE


Clinton sees new race; Obama talks tough

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent Thu Mar 6, 1:37 AM ET

WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton declared Wednesday that her primary victories in Ohio, Texas and Rhode Island had reordered the Democratic presidential race in her favor. …..

One day after his worst showing in a month, Obama blamed negative attacks by the former first lady for his defeats and quickly made good on a promise to sharpen his criticism of her.

……..
The two states' governors, Republican Charlie Crist in Florida and Democrat Jennifer Granholm in Michigan, issued a joint statement calling on party officials "to resolve this matter and to ensure that the voters ... are full participants in the formal selection of their parties' nominees."
……..

The former first lady said McCain's ascension meant Democratic primary voters were looking at the race through a new lens. "It is now about who is strongest against the Republican nominee, John McCain," she said on CNN. "You know, people who voted a month ago didn't know who the Republican nominee was going to be.

"They didn't perhaps factor in that it will be about national security," she said of the fall campaign.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 09:59 AM
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1. AP: Wyoming at last is a Democratic player--Saturday
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_el_pr/wyoming_democrats;_ylt=AkODnWSWKpt4zqgrU7mpiR1h24cA


Wyoming at last is a Democratic player

By MEAD GRUVER, Associated Press Writer Thu Mar 6, 3:13 AM ET

CHEYENNE, Wyo. - Not since 1960 have Wyoming Democrats felt so relevant.


That year, at the Democratic National Convention, the state's delegation cast 15 votes that pushed Sen. John F. Kennedy over the top and made him the party's nominee for president.

……..12 delegates at stake in Saturday's caucus.

Only in the last few weeks have the campaigns stepped up their presence in the state, opening offices and calling voters and sending mailers. The first visits come Thursday, when former President Clinton makes three appearances. Obama and Hillary Clinton follow, each scheduling two events on Friday.

All the attention has Wyoming Democrats feeling giddy.

"It's amazing," said party spokesman Bill Luckett. "It's a once-in-a-generation type of opportunity for Wyoming to have a say in this presidential race."

The number of registered Democrats has grown by more than 1,000 since the start of the year, the secretary of state's office says. Republicans have 136,000 registered voters, compared to 59,000 Democrats.

………..
Clinton spokesman Blake Zeff said potential volunteers are reaching out. "We're going to be harnessing that enthusiasm to really bring out the vote," he said.

It remains unclear which Democrat might have an edge; no public polling has been done in the state.
……..
Meanwhile, the state's top Democrat, Gov. Dave Freudenthal, has said he doesn't like any of the candidates, Republican or Democratic, because they haven't spoken enough about Western issues. He hasn't endorsed anyone and will not say who, as a superdelegate, he will vote for at the national convention.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:03 AM
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2. Kick Rec
Thanks for posting! Nice to hear from Ferraro.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:31 AM
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18. yes. it is---hopes she gets a bit more active for Hillary
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:44 AM
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26. .
:kick:

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:05 AM
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30. :-)
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:03 AM
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3. Ferraro: The primaries don't count, turnout is "notoriously low"
Besides, the delegate totals from primaries and caucuses do not necessarily reflect the will of rank-and-file Democrats. Most Democrats have not been heard from at the polls. We have all been impressed by the turnout for this year’s primaries — clearly both candidates have excited and engaged the party’s membership — but, even so, turnout for primaries and caucuses is notoriously low. It would be shocking if 30 percent of registered Democrats have participated.

If that is the case, we could end up with a nominee who has been actively supported by, at most, 15 percent of registered Democrats. That’s hardly a grassroots mandate.

More important, although many states like New York have closed primaries in which only enrolled Democrats are allowed to vote, in many other states Republicans and independents can make the difference by voting in Democratic primaries or caucuses.

In the Democratic primary in South Carolina, tens of thousands of Republicans and independents no doubt voted, many of them for Mr. Obama. The same rules prevail at the Iowa caucuses, in which Mr. Obama also triumphed.

He won his delegates fair and square, but those delegates represent the wishes not only of grassroots Democrats, but also Republicans and independents. If rank-and-file Democrats should decide who the party’s nominee is, each state should pass a rule allowing only people who have been registered in the Democratic Party for a given time — not nonmembers or day-of registrants — to vote for the party’s nominee.

-- Geraldine Ferraro, Hillary endorser

Maybe Media Matters can inform Ferraro that she's wrong about turnout.


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:14 AM
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13. "We have all been impressed by the turnout for this year’s primaries"
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:42 AM
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23. "but, even so, turnout for primaries and caucuses is notoriously low."
She full of it!

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:44 AM
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25. ha ha--taking part of the sentence out of context to go neg on Clinton is your "fix"
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:03 AM
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4. Ferraro makes a convincing argument in favor of including Florida's delegates.
No doubt someone here will say it's because she hates democracy ...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:07 AM
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8. Yes, she does--as does Hillary
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:09 AM
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9. Florida was a more real primary than any caucuses. Primaries are inclusive & ALL were on the ballot
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:13 AM by MookieWilson
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:11 AM
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12. Yes. thanks for the reminer--all WERE on the ballot
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:41 AM
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22. no. but i would ask her, name recognition, and example of campaigning in txas
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:41 AM by seabeyond
and other states how it shortened the gap between hillary and obama. if it is really fair in jan to have an unrecognized obama against an easily recognized name clinton.

i think it may be a point she didnt consider. i think she would put time in thought in answering. and i would like to hear her answer.

i hadnt thought of it, as i am trying to look at this thing fairly. once it was raised and i thought about it, it was clear to me there was a strong advantage to hillary.

just gotta be fair, in looking at this.

i also have issue with all the voters that knew it would not be legit, and didnt vote now getting the SURPRISE it counted, and they being disenfranshised. i would be pissed. she didnt address that
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:17 AM
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37. She gave a good response for the FL issue.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:21 AM
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39. yes she did, and i think it was an honest one for her. and i appreciate it. and i dont think
she totally thought it through. and once she did then she may have qualms and revise her answer. she is not god, ....she is a good, honest woman, but not perfect. her answer is not THE answer. i would have liked to hear her think it through a little more.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:23 AM
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41. perhaps---she was one 4 guests--not much time for long answers
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:20 PM
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64. She forgot to mention that all the democrats but one
in the Florida congress voted with the republicans to move to date up. If they hadn't done that, maybe Dean and those of us keeping track would feel sorry for them. :shrug:

madfloridian has a journal with all the info on the Florida fiasco, if you want to read the blow-by-blow of what went down there.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:03 AM
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5. Misery loves company.
nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:06 AM
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7. Good moring
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:08 PM
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60. Oh, what would we do without getting our required daily/hourly/minutely dose of your nastiness?
Thanks for the kick!

:boring:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:04 AM
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6. Kick
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:36 AM
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43. :-)
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:09 AM
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10. I heard her on TOTN yesterday
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:35 AM by susankh4
she was eloquent and well informed.

Thanks for the Lehrer link. I am listening now!

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:10 AM
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11. You bet.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:17 AM
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14. Clinton-Ferraro!
Might as well make it a 50-state sweep for McBush.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:25 AM
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16. still in a sour mood I see.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:09 PM
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61. Ooh, nothing but anger and hate from one who supports the so-called 'hope' candidate.
Thanks for the kick, again!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:24 AM
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15. Hillary is campaigning behind the Magnolia Curtain in Mississippi.

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Hillary is campaigning behind the Magnolia Curtain in Mississippi.
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4915209#4915209
4915209, Hillary is campaigning behind the Magnolia Curtain in Mississippi.
Posted by TacticalPeek on Wed Mar-05-08 06:21 PM


She's coming to the Jefferson Jackson Hamer Day Dinner tomorrow night in Canton, Mississippi.

And Bill will be in Hattiesburg, Meridian and Tupelo Friday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3211485&mesg_id=3211485

Obama has no scheduled appearances as of now. We'll see if he comes here to defend.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:29 AM
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17. Gov. Ed Rendell, PA, Press Release


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Gov. Ed Rendell, PA, Press Release
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4915036#4915036
4915036, Gov. Ed Rendell, PA, Press Release
Posted by susankh4 on Wed Mar-05-08 06:15 PM

3/5/2008
Statement from Governor Ed Rendell on Yesterday’s Election Results
"Last night made clear that there has been a momentum shift in this race. Despite being outspent two-to-one, despite Sen. Obama benefiting from outside political funds, and despite all of the glowing press coverage he received leading up to March 4th, voters ultimately chose Senator Clinton. I am confident that Hillary is heading into Pennsylvania with momentum and a new energy.

"The people of Pennsylvania are focused on the two largest issues facing our nation - the state of our economy and national security. On both counts, Pennsylvanians understand how important it is to elect someone who is truly ready to become President and Commander-in-Chief. Hillary is ready to lead our nation, returning us to both prosperity and peace.

"We look forward to making our voice heard in the coming days and playing our part in determining the Democratic nominee. And when we do, the people of Pennsylvania will send a clear message - we want a President who is ready, not one we hope will one day be ready."
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:32 AM
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19. Ferraro: Break the rules, caucuses are bad and admits Hillary didn't do much as First Lady
Thanks for clearing that up, Geraldine.

For a better interview, listen to Bill Bradley.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june08/demdiscuss_03-05.html



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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:36 AM
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21. YOU obviously did not read the OP before you spewed your foolish comments!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:35 AM
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20. Latest poll shows Hillary would be our strongest candidate against McCain
Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Latest poll shows Hillary would be our strongest candidate against McCain
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4923299#4923299
4923299, Latest poll shows Hillary would be our strongest candidate against McCain
Posted by Apollo11 on Thu Mar-06-08 05:10 AM

I have seen a lot of people here on DU saying that only Obama can win in November and so if Hillary were to be the nominee, we would be "SCREWN" (i.e. John McCain would cruise to an easy victory).

I have been looking in various places for recent polls that compare how Hillary and Obama would perform in the general election against John McCain. The only updated polls I could find are the rolling polls from Rasmussen Reports. The pattern since Feb 5th is very interesting.

Around 3 weeks ago (mid-February), Obama was beating McCain by up to 8 points. Hillary was losing to McCain by up to 6 points. So it was looking like only Obama could beat McCain!

But now, McCain beats Obama by 5 points, but Hillary is almost tied with McCain. So maybe Hillary is the strongest candidate to go up against John McCain? :eyes:

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history

This information has been posted here already during the past few days but still a lot of folks seem to believe that Hillary cannot beat McCain. So the point of this thread is to let folks know that Hillary's numbers have been improving over recent days, leading up to March 4th.

I know Obama has more pledged delegates and it's very hard to see how Hillary could catch him. But the fact is that neither can become the nominee without the support of superdelegates. I expect that the SDs will take a number of factors into consideration, including the results of national opinion polls.

It will be interesting to see the results of polls done after March 5th. If Hillary's numbers continue to improve, it will undermine Obama's claim that he is the most electable candidate.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:42 AM
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24. HM: Pennsylvania is a closed democratic primary

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Pennsylvania is a closed democratic primary filled with downscale older white democrats
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4916395#4916395
4916395, Pennsylvania is a closed democratic primary filled with downscale older white democrats
Posted by Herman Munster on Wed Mar-05-08 07:21 PM

If Clinton Country would be a state, it would be Pennsylvania.

Not only does Hillary have the demographics, she has Ed Rendell's statewide machine behind him and Philly mayor Michael Nutter's machine.

She's probably going to win going away by 20 points or more.

Then she'll ride that momentum wave to win North Carolina and Indiana a couple weeks later.

The math won't matter at that point. Hillary will look like the winner and the superdelegates will flock to her. If she can pull out a nationwide popular vote victory, that will give the superdelegates any cover they need. They'll say they are putting forth the one man, one vote principle. Something that doesn't happen in caucuses which are biased against working people, families with children, older people that can't get around to caucus.
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:47 AM
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27. How come nobody is pressuring John Kerry and Ted Kennedy?"
It was interesting to watch Congressman Cleaver from Missouri the other day say, "How come only African-American members of Congress are getting these kinds of pressures? How come nobody is pressuring John Kerry and Ted Kennedy?"
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:51 AM
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29. Let's not forget Deval Patrick...
Will he be endorsing Hillary? After all, he along with Kerry and Kennedy should be following the "will of the people" of Massachusetts no?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:08 AM
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31. I love the reaction of Obama when told Kennedy would have to vote for Clinton


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject I love the reaction of Obama when told Kennedy would have to vote for Clinton
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4526958#4526958
4526958, I love the reaction of Obama when told Kennedy would have to vote for Clinton
Posted by bigtree on Sun Feb-10-08 05:39 PM

if the SuperDelegates were apportioned as he said he wants them . . .


Obama said superdelegates should follow the wishes of the voters.

"My strong belief is that if we end up with the most states and the most pledged delegates from the most voters in the country, that it would be problematic for the political insiders to overturn the judgment of the voter," he said.

When it was noted that Sen. Ted Kennedy is one of his superdelegate supporters, even though voters handed Massachusetts to Clinton on Super Tuesday, Obama said, "Well, I mean, we can make arguments back and forth on this."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/02/09/2008-02-09_hillary_clinton_and_barack_obama_battle_.html
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:11 AM
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32. Yes, one has wonder. And some obama surrogates are them "uncle toms" shameful
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:14 AM
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35. Here is the story
Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Perhaps Obama's Uncle Tom campaigner's got to her already?
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4919308#4919824
4919824, Perhaps Obama's Uncle Tom campaigner's got to her already?
Posted by Tarc on Wed Mar-05-08 10:21 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics/story/510737.html
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:17 AM
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36. Two can play that game.
Maryland's Governor, Lieutenant Governor and Senior Senator endorsed Hillary, yet Obama won Maryland. Maybe it's time to put pressure on them as well.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:49 AM
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28. "Why Clinton isn't dead"


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Topic subject "Why Clinton isn't dead"
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4925224#4925224
4925224, "Why Clinton isn't dead"
Posted by suston96 on Thu Mar-06-08 09:16 AM

The scope of Hillary Clinton's latest resurrection can be appreciated only in light of the elaborate preparations that had been made for her expeditious burial. That she is very much alive can be attributed to her true grit but also to the revelation that Barack Obama is not a miraculously perfect candidate after all.

Assuming that Clinton would at best eke out a victory in Ohio on Tuesday to end her long losing streak, prominent Democrats were organizing a major private intervention. A posse of party leaders would plead with her to end her campaign and recognize Obama as the Democratic standard-bearer. To buttress this argument, several elite unelected superdelegates (including previous Clinton supporters) were ready to come out for Obama. Those plans went on hold Tuesday night.


I know, I know - Robert Novak - but still a sensible study.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/05/AR2008030502888.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:12 AM
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33. Thanks Rodeo
Great Post

Hillary for President!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:19 AM
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38. Madam President--so nice sounding.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:38 AM
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44. Madam President
I'm looking forward to that!!! It's going to happen.

:woohoo:

Hillary all the way to the White House!!

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:12 PM
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48. Keep visualizing it.;-)
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:13 AM
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34. K & R
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:07 PM
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47. :-)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:21 AM
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40. Hillary is going to win Mississippi! I can feel the momentum!
luv this supporter--great thread:

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Hillary is going to win Mississippi! I can feel the momentum!
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4922132#4922132
4922132, Hillary is going to win Mississippi! I can feel the momentum!
Posted by jlake on Thu Mar-06-08 01:16 AM

She's back in this - and in a big way.
Obama just can't close the deal.
He failed to slam her with a knockout punch.
The tide has turned, and Obama has peaked.
Hillary will be the Democratic nominee.
Obama really should drop out for the good of the party.

Go Hillary
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:27 AM
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42. Rasmussen- Pennsylvania -The Hill 52% Obama 37%
I suspect this is the bump after the three state win. but nice nice nice:-)

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Topic subject Rasmussen- Pennsylvania -The Hill 52% Obama 37%
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4925929, Rasmussen- Pennsylvania -The Hill 52% Obama 37%
Posted by DemocratSinceBirth on Thu Mar-06-08 10:11 AM

In Pennsylvania, Hillary Clinton has opened a fifteen percentage point lead over Barack Obama. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey shows Clinton attracting 52% of the vote while Obama earns 37%.

In late February, before Clinton’s comeback victories in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island, the former First Lady’s lead in the Keystone State was just four percentage points. The big difference between that poll and the current result is found a among men. Clinton now leads by seventeen percentage points among women and eleven among men. In the previous survey, she was ahead by fifteen points among women but trails by fourteen among men.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/pennsylvania/pennsylvania_democratic_presidential_primary
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 11:45 AM
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45. Things are looking real good in Pennsylvania!
:woohoo:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:06 PM
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46. I hope she has lots of "boots on the ground"
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:16 PM
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49. 'Feet on the Street'
for Hillary!

:patriot:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:17 PM
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50. hey, i like that---
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:36 PM
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51. Here's a first, at least recently... Clinton leading Obama vs. McCain
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Topic subject Here's a first, at least recently... Clinton leading Obama vs. McCain
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4906406, Here's a first, at least recently... Clinton leading Obama vs. McCain
Posted by Kurt_and_Hunter on Wed Mar-05-08 12:01 PM

This polling does NOT include any post-Ohio/Texas polling, so two days from now it seems likely that Clinton will have a lead outside the margin of error among Dems and Dem-leaners, and will reach the point of beating McCain in this tracking poll while Obama trails McCain. The margins are close, and polls are just polls, but the psychology is powerful. This is the sort of thing that will freeze super-delegates for a while.

Prior to the past three days, Clinton had trailed Obama every single day for three weeks (edit: Today's number is Clinton 48%, Obama 43%.). Clinton has regained a solid lead (twelve percentage points) among women nationwide. That margin that expands to twenty points among white women. Yesterday’s victories for Clinton mean there is a growing likelihood that the campaign could stretch on in to the summer without a winner. Rasmussen Reports will be polling the Democratic Primary Race in Mississippi, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and other states this week.

It is important to note that while Clinton had a very good day on Tuesday, Rasmussen Markets data still shows Obama with a 71.9% chance of winning the Democratic nomination. That’s down from a recent high of 87%.

Looking to the general election, John McCain has a slight lead over both Democrats. McCain now leads Obama 48% to 43% and Clinton 46% to 45% (see recent daily results). A Rasmussen Reports video suggests that the Clinton victories in Texas and Ohio are good news for John McCain. In Washington State, McCain leads Clinton and is essentially even with Obama. The Governor’s race in Washington is also a dead-heat.

Nationally, McCain is viewed favorably by 52% and unfavorably by 45%. Obama’s numbers have slipped a bit recently and he is now viewed favorably by 50% of likely voters nationwide, unfavorably by 48%. Clinton earns positive reviews from 49% of Likely Voters nationwide and negative assessments from 50% (see recent daily results).

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/daily_presidential_tracking_polling_history

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/general_election_match_up_history

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ADDED ON EDIT: Gallup just confirmed the Rasmussen move. Again, this polling does not yet include any bump from Ohio/Texas:





"For the first time in nearly a month, Hillary Clinton outpolls Barack Obama in national Democratic preferences, 48% to 44%. The latest three-day average primarily reflects Democratic attitudes before the outcomes of Tuesday night's primaries were known. National Democratic preferences began to shift in Clinton's favor on Sunday, gained momentum on Monday, and remained favorable to her on Tuesday. Any impact her success in Tuesday night's elections may have on national preferences will be reflected in tomorrow's Gallup Poll Daily election tracking report."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104788/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-48-Obama-44.aspx


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:38 PM
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52. "I for one do not believe that imitating Ken Starr is the way to win the Democratic primary"
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Topic subject "I for one do not believe that imitating Ken Starr is the way to win the Democratic primary"
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4926334, "I for one do not believe that imitating Ken Starr is the way to win the Democratic primary"
Posted by bigtree on Thu Mar-06-08 10:38 AM

from HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/06/clinton-aides-compare-oba_n_90220.html

Clinton Aides Compare Obama To Ken Starr

March 6, 2008 11:10 AM

Aides to Sen. Hillary Clinton accused Sen. Barack Obama of adopting Republican talking points and acting like Ken Starr for launching a more aggressive campaign following his losses in Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island on Tuesday.

Citing few specific instances in which Obama had averted to GOP form, Howard Wolfson, Clinton's chief spokesperson, nevertheless denounced the Illinois Senator's new rhetoric, such as pressing for Clinton to release her tax returns.

"I for one do not believe that imitating Ken Starr is the way to win the Democratic primary," he said, referencing the Clinton-era special prosecutor who is despised by Democrats.


Obama Aides Signal More Aggressive Attack Against Clinton

"If she wants to make issues like ethics and disclosure and law firms and real estate deals and all that stuff issues, as I've said before I don't know whey they'd want to go there, but I guess that's where they'll take the race,'' David Axelrod said.

In a conference call with reporters, Axelrod stepped up calls for Clinton to release her 2006 tax returns, and said the campaign would continue to pressure her to be more transparent.

"The vetting of Hillary Clinton has yet to start,'' Axelrod said.


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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 12:41 PM
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53. AW FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!
Geraldine Ferraro works for Blank Rome and Hill hired them to be media hit men.

This is all canned propaganda.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:13 PM
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56. Thank you for your contribution
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:10 PM
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62. Thank you for the kind words, and the kick. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:02 PM
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54. Obama and the NAFTA is TRUE
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4927540, Obama and the NAFTA is TRUE
Posted by ElsewheresDaughter on Thu Mar-06-08 11:52 AM

so this new brouhaha over it beings Clinton is total BULLSHIT!

Harper is just trying to cover his Chief of Staffs ass so he doesn't get fired.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/03/04/harper-obama.html?ref=rss

PM denies top aide leaked Obama NAFTA memo

Opposition demands Harper's chief of staff be fired
Last Updated: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 | 5:47 PM ET Comments15Recommend80
CBC News

Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Tuesday denied the top official in his office leaked a memo of a meeting between an aide to Barack Obama and a Canadian diplomat over the Democratic presidential hopeful's NAFTA position.

The controversy has dominated headlines ahead of Tuesday's crucial four-state vote and given Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton fresh ammunition to criticize her Democratic rival amid a rancorous campaign for the party's presidential nomination.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the leak of a memo describing a meeting between a Barack Obama aide and a Canadian diplomat over the Democratic presidential hopeful's NAFTA position 'regrettable.'Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the leak of a memo describing a meeting between a Barack Obama aide and a Canadian diplomat over the Democratic presidential hopeful's NAFTA position 'regrettable.'

Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the leak of a memo describing a meeting between a Barack Obama aide and a Canadian diplomat over the Democratic presidential hopeful's NAFTA position 'regrettable.'


The media storm began late last week after someone told Canadian and American news outlets that Obama advisers had tipped off Canadian diplomats that their promise to reopen NAFTA was just empty talk aimed at winning votes in Ohio.

After Obama and the Canadian government denied the allegation, someone leaked a diplomatic memo describing such a conversation between Obama's economic adviser Austan Goolsbee and Consul General Georges Rioux.

The memo, written by a consular employee, says Goolsbee privately told Rioux that Obama's attack on free trade is "more reflective of political manoeuvring than policy."

An ABC News report identified Harper’s chief of staff, Ian Brodie, as the source of the details of a meeting to reporters.

The prime minister said his government is trying to find the person responsible for leaking the memo.

"It was not my chief of staff," Harper said during question period while under fire from NDP Leader Jack Layton, who demanded Brodie be fired if it is confirmed he tipped off reporters to the details of the meeting.

"The leak of this particular document is not only regrettable, as the Canadian Embassy in the United States has already said, it is completely unacceptable to this government and we will do our best to find out who did it."

But the prime minister spoke only of the leaked document and did not address specifically who told reporters of the meeting.

Layton accused Harper himself of "interference," alleging the prime minister personally authorized the leak in order to discredit the Obama camp and aid the Republicans, a charge Harper vehemently denied.

"The reality is what we're talking about here is a report that someone in the consulate to Chicago wrote to their superior," Harper responded. "There are literally thousands of documents like this written around the world by Canadian officials. It's ridiculous to think that the prime minister's office even ever sees these documents."
Tories using government to do 'dirty work': Rae

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign has faced tough questions over a leaked Canadian memo that says his position on reopening NAFTA was 'more reflective of political manoeuvring than policy.'Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign has faced tough questions over a leaked Canadian memo that says his position on reopening NAFTA was 'more reflective of political manoeuvring than policy.'

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama's campaign has faced tough questions over a leaked Canadian memo that says his position on reopening NAFTA was 'more reflective of political manoeuvring than policy.'
(Rick Bowmer/Associated Press)

Liberal foreign affairs critic Bob Rae said it was clear the Tories are trying to help Republican friends at the expense of Canadian interests.

"They will do what is necessary to help Republicans. They're a nasty, unprincipled bunch, who are incompetent to boot," Rae wrote in a blog.

The controversy could play to the Republicans' advantage in November and hurt the Illinois senator in Ohio, a potential swing state where job losses have made the 15-year-old free-trade deal highly unpopular.

Obama and Clinton have both said they want to reopen the free-trade deal between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico to ensure better environmental and labour standards.
Trade Minister David Emerson and Finance Minister Jim Flaherty said U.S. officials should not forget the benefits of the agreement and hinted Canada could respond to a NAFTA pullout by renegotiating U.S.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:12 PM
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55. K
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:50 PM
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57. Clinton's Wins Halt Move of Superdelegates to Obama
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4932354, Clinton's Wins Halt Move of Superdelegates to Obama
Posted by Tarc on Thu Mar-06-08 04:06 PM

Oh my. Well, I've never been the type to say "I told you so", but...

Ahh, fuck that, who are we kidding?

I TOLD YOU SO.

March 6 (Bloomberg) -- Hillary Clinton scored more than just three presidential primary victories this week. She also helped freeze a movement of top Democrats set to call on her to concede to rival Barack Obama.
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A group of uncommitted ``superdelegates'' were ready to make a show of support for Obama by trying to pressure Clinton to give up, said Tim Roemer, a former congressman who's rounding up backers for Obama. Now, after her wins in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, many will still back Obama without calling on Clinton to quit, he said.

Obama, an Illinois senator, aimed to knock Clinton out of the race by capitalizing on an 11-contest winning streak to claim the mantle of undisputed front-runner. The 795 superdelegates -- party officials and lawmakers who aren't bound by primary results -- are critical as neither candidate is positioned to gain enough delegates through elections to win the nomination.

``Instead of being a slam dunk for Obama, it's a horse race again,'' said South Carolina Representative John Spratt. Spratt said he's undecided after Clinton's success this week, even though Obama is his ``presumptive choice'' because his constituents backed him in the state's Jan. 26 primary.

Neither campaign is letting up. Yesterday, Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams and adviser Harold Ickes waited outside the Senate chamber to huddle with Charles Schumer, a Clinton supporter who represents New York with her in the U.S. Senate. Clinton's husband, former President Bill Clinton, is among those making calls to superdelegates.

- http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/ascl6e69rqry
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 05:51 PM
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58. k
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:05 PM
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59. Kickety-kick, and Recommend!
:kick:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 06:13 PM
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63. Hillary's right. Mississippi is the worst state for women in numerous studies.
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4928582, Hillary's right. Mississippi is the worst state for women in numerous studies.
Posted by Maddy McCall on Thu Mar-06-08 12:46 PM

In studies on the status of women, Mississippi ranks FIFTY-FIRST. At the bottom.

Mississippi only created a Status of Women commission in 2000, thanks to Democratic governor Ronnie Musgrove, who listened to a group of women activists in the state. However, the state still refuses to fund the commission. So you have a commission of women who desire to study the status of women in the state, but the legislature won't allocate money to the commission to study this. This state commission has not even been given office space.

We have no women in Congress. There is a huge wage gap between men and women in the state. Women in Mississippi are at the bottom of the four socioeconomic indicators--health insurance, college education, business ownership, and poverty. On the composite index for reproductive rights and women's health, Mississippi is at the bottom.

http://www.iwpr.org/states2002/pdfs/USRIB.pdf

Mississippi wasn't ranked lowest just once. Mississippi CONSISTENTLY ranks fifty-first in the status of women. The bottom. Imagine as a woman living in a society like this.

When you rip into Hillary Clinton for her remarks about Mississippi...please keep in mind that she's right...and when you take her comments and attempt to defend the state as being somehow victimized by Hillary's comments, PLEASE keep in mind the women of my state, who are SUFFERING for the very reasons that Hillary mentioned.
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