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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 07:58 PM Original message |
Here Are The Numbers! Here is the Math! Obama Holds Every Card! |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. You are presuming Clinton camp doesn't know this and would drop out if they did so as not to |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. Yeah, it's not as if we're dealing with |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
63. Hey, zidzi! |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
2. Obama also has the most endorsements of dem sen/govenors |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. The ral dilema is that NEITHER candidate can reach 2,024! |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Its only unlikely that one could get a majority from just pledged |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
4. The Hillary campaign is not quitting. |
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Joe the Revelator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I think the math suggests that we do have a persumptive nominee... |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. This is the deal Clinton/Obama 2008... |
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WHAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
60. does not work well with others/...Clinton |
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CitizenLeft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #60 |
75. what WHAT? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Last I checked Supers still have to vote as the nomination cannot be clinched with pledged delegates |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. I'm truly sorry, rinsd, but the Super Delegates won't overturn the popular vote & pledged delegates |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. They're a pretty naive bunch. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Please submit your calculations how Hillary wins |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Simple. |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. And don't forget we need a re-vote |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. They will not go against the PDs |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. No calculations necessary, only the knowledge of how the game |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
62. OK. We'll use math and you can use your prayer rug. |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. It's called pragmatism, not faith. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. I'm gonna have to check but CNN reported earlier |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Some people are naive enough to think that two states... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Some of us are naive enough to believe that ... |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
78. Don't be surprised, and it has nothing to do with Hillary. The DNC |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
91. If they re-vote, then I don't object. |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
47. You are correct, but in fairness to both sides there should |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Here is the popularity vote as reported by CNN |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Leave it to a Clinton supporter to add in Florida and Michigan. Get a clue: They don't count. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
52. I would not be so certain about this. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #27 |
66. Regardless of whether they count, they were cast by real people |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:46 AM Response to Reply #66 |
72. You simply can not add. Again, Hillary can not win without gaming the system. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. She currently leads by 37,300 in the popular vote, quoth RealClearPolitics |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. You deceitfully include Florida and Michigan in your false tally. You have no shame. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Yeah Obama followed the rules...he had surrogates campaign for him in MI & ran TV ads in FL. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. The point of voting uncomitted was to allow those delegates to be "free range" |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. so are you backing off your previous post |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. You hold the bloody shirt of a popular vote advantage, yet ignore popular votes |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. Apologies for saying you supported the war in Iraq. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Thanks for setting the record straight on that particular point |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
86. So what if Obama's name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot - he could have gotten write-in votes ... |
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KnaveRupe (700 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. Actually, no. |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thank you for this. I was looking for some numbers. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. You are welcome. I thought it would be helpful for a reality check with numbers. |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. K/R. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
9. She majored in Miracles not Math |
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ExFreeper4Obama (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
12. Hillary is done and she knows it |
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CountAllVotes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. good point! |
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politicks (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
33. He'd help her out. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. Hillary is a FIGHTER....but she also knows how to "compromise." |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
39. Welcome to the DU! |
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KaptBunnyPants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
13. You assume the Clinton Party has ethics. |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. AMEN LOL |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
14. Raw Popular Vote Totals: |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
15. Well, I did the math and according to your numbers, |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. i think 56% |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I don't know whether it does or not. |
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politicks (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:40 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. It's actually 62%. |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
22. I appreciate the technical aspect of your post. Thanks. K and R. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
29. So what happens if MI and FL redo their primaries? n/t |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. It still wouldn't be enough even if she won big. Obama has 600,000 more popular votes already. |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Hold on to your hats I think she will win big |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
30. Great post DZ! |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:05 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. Thanks. Obama's total of popular votes is now 600,000 greater than Hillary's. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
31. The PEOPLE WILL SPEAK...on this........ |
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loveangelc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
37. Neither will have enough to clinch the nomination. If there's a redo in FL then the pop vote will be |
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JBoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
40. Hillary's got some cards. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
41. Your entire premise is fucked up |
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PITBOS (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. why do many posts from the supporters of the unethical one |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. Welcome to the DU, PITBOS. They do so because it hurts to lose. |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. No need to go all potty mouth, ruggerson. I know the numbers upset you, but that's just how it is. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
70. I realize this is the spin your candidate's campaign is promoting |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:55 AM Response to Reply #70 |
74. No spin. Just numbers. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. don't you know, the rules only matter when they favor obama. nt |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
43. Yeah but Hillary has the fear card and the Muslim card |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. IMO, it was designed to |
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JPZenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
49. Limbaugh Helped Hillary in TX - 1400 Fox Viewers Say So |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
50. K & R |
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joeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
53. Wait that can't be right. Those look like the identical margins |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
56. It's ok they hate the sums, just keep it our secret. =) |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
58. Great post. K&R |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
59. Yes, because without ethics the party then becomes something else... |
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DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:24 AM Response to Reply #59 |
67. I miss John Edwards n/t |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-05-08 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
65. somebody give her a cookie for coming in 2nd |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
68. You're right. Hillary can't win. We might as well eat that plate of crow now. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:59 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Under what scenario can it be made up? |
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LadyVT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
71. This is not how the nomination is decided (link) |
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CitizenLeft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
73. 25 MILLION people have voted in this primary... so far |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. Or we can kiss all of the young and new voters away |
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MyNameGoesHere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
83. Why do Obama supportes keep forgetting 2025 things? Math my ass. n/t |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
88. Your delegate numbers are too high. I think you counted the super delegates twice |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
89. DZ, I think this may change? |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. She can't overcome a 600,000 gulf of votes with the remaining contests. |
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mculator (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
92. So Hillary for VP... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
95. Hillary still holds one card |
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