If it weren't against DU rules, I would cut and paste some of

[cboy4]

the nastier comments comments I've received (and read, for that matter), over the past few weeks by some very cocky assholes -- people I hope have learned a lesson about just how shitty it feels to have what they've been spewing, thrown right back in their faces.

Let's hope the usual suspects will stop shitting all over people who are down.

Payback is difficult to swallow, ha? I know!

Well, you should have thought about that in advance.

And this is not directed toward the nice group of Obama supporters who refused to act provocative.

The rest know who you are.


on edit.....typo

[Debi]

1. Wait....is this about me wanting to fold your ear?

I really didn't mean to offend you....x(

[LostinVA]

2. Damien -- check your PM

[cboy4]

31. Got it. They're unable to stop themselves, aren't they?

:puke:

[LostinVA]

33. It's pathological

[LeftCoast]

3. I had fun with it yesterday, but for the most part the unadulterated hate just brings me down.

I really don't mind intelligent discussion and criticism, but the blind venom-dripping hate is just too much for me.

[cboy4]

19. Let's hope it stops now that certain people were taught

a lesson.

[LeftCoast]

20. These people see a reality of their own making.

I doubt they'll learn any lessons unfortunately.

[KittyWampus]

64. so you're no longer pretending to be neutral?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Hmm?

You realize that last night was another victory for Obama, right?

Just checking.

[LeftCoast]

6. Are you serious?

[buff2]

7. Victory?

Losing 3 out of 4.....THAT'S victory?? KEEP HOPE ALIVE! :rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. He's lost two. Texas is still counting.

He's retain his massive delegate lead.

And now there are less states for Clinton to make a come back.

She's in deeper shit now that she was on Monday.

If you're having trouble following, think about it- would you rather be in Obama's position right now, or Clinton's?

[question everything]

32. Tell this to Obama who, graciously, congratulated Hillary

and showed class that most of his supporters on DU can take a lesson.

And why were there so many morose threads from your camp?

[JuniperLea]

45. This reminds me of the Freepers...

Who still believe there were WMD in Iraq, and that the Iraq invasion was directly related to 9/11... even after GWB said both were untrue.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

[DemBones DemBones]

71. Oh, yes, he is so, so classy. He spends the debates

either looking down his nose at her, with that smug, self-satisfied smirk on his face, or writing things on his note pad, not looking at her and giving no sign of listening to her. Maybe he's writing his next book.

Hillary Clinton has been quite gracious to him in debates. She watches his face and lsitens to him when he speaks, only ccasionally makes a note on her notepad.

You Obamababies don't get it that opponents criticize each other during a campaign.

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, or take some cheese and your whine elsewhere.

[question everything]

106. Um.... I support Clinton

My post was in response to someone who insisted that Obama won Texas, a claim that even Obama himself rebuked by congratulating Clinton. And, compared to all the nasty threads here on DU by the Obama supporters who could not take a single day of loss, Obama's reaction did show class.

[Hoof Hearted]

59. Massive.

:rofl:

Yeah, I'll bet you tell yourself that when you check your pants, too.

[IndianaJones]

65. that part probably doesn't work any more. nt.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

79. Yeah, massive.

You may have noticed that Clinton won RI, OH, and the TX primary and was barely able to put a dent in his lead.

:evilgrin:

[Hoof Hearted]

104. You may have noticed his national poll numbers are sinking like a Chicago gangster

with cement shoes in the Chicago river.

[CatnHat]

8. LOL

Dream on.

[cboy4]

13. I don't blame you for being delusional Bornagainhooligan.

You poor guy.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. I'll take you at your word.

But then, I've got math.

:shrug:

[buff2]

16. It's the kool-aid,cboy4...........

Too much of the kool-aid. :beer:

[cboy4]

26. Apparently.

:eyes:

[yardwork]

24. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. Indeed.

And math isn't just for the classroom.

[BridgeTheGap]

5. I have believed for awhile know that America is overwhelmingly populated

by people with the emotional maturity of teenagers, regardless of age.
The discourse on the primary here at DU serves to verify my belief!

[mtnester]

48. Nah, jusy plain old human beings...think about how amazing it actually is

that we have not blown our own selves to smithereens.

[redqueen]

9. Could the same not be said...

to all the assholey Clinton supporters who started this primary season out shitting all over everyone else's supporters, because she was the "inevitable" candidate?

Sorry, but this goes every which way... at every candidate's more assholey supporters.

I just have to hope most of them are trolls.

[buff2]

12. I'd be willing to bet that most of the Obama

"supporters" are trolls. They are showing up at the polls crossing over just to make sure Obama doesn't win the nomination.

[redqueen]

14. I'm not going to play 'crystal ball' to try to claim one group has more trolls in it.

And as for crossover votes... who won Texas' semi-open primary last night?

[cboy4]

17. Yes redqueen, the same can be said about all of the

"assholey Clinton supporters..."

But the Obama people, as a whole, have been far, far more obnoxious.

And while some of the more provocative jerks have been obvious trolls, others have been DUers for quite a long time and should know the hell better.

So while I didn't even vote for Hillary in California, I have her supporters' backs.

Indeed I do.

[redqueen]

18. *sigh*

Sorry... I just don't see that "the Obama people, as a whole, have been far, far more obnoxious".

Were you around this forum a lot when the primary first started?

[cboy4]

22. Yes I was around this forum a lot when the primary first

started.

And I was around a lot during Obama's winning streak.

However the ugliness has been night and day in comparison.

[redqueen]

23. Our perspectives differ, then. Greatly. I see it as about even.

Or... it could be that I'm just not interested in keeping a scorecard, and calling out those I personally feel are 'in the wrong' more often.

:hi:

[IndianaJones]

28. regardless of who you support or not, you honestly think its about even? c'mon. nt.

[cboy4]

29. Yes, it's clear you haven't been keeping a scorecard

which accounts for your lack of knowledge about this subject.

It hasn't been even...you don't even need a scorecard to know that.

And if the people I'm referring to were truly only simply "in the wrong more often" as opposed to relentlessly cruel, it would be all good.

[redqueen]

37. Sorry... I should have said cruel & nasty... as you're right...

it's not a matter of being wrong so much as acting like complete fuckheads.

I still won't take your word for it that you're correct in your perception.

[Bluenorthwest]

92. Obama boosters are the worst at the rot

I don't vote until May and at this point I'll be filpping a coin, they are similar, or simply voting against Obama's gay baiting and religionism.
But on this board the Obama people are by far the most nasty, off topic and frankly rude and brimming with all sorts of prejudices that they feel no need to hide. On other sites, it got so bad I left them forever. Actual calls to violence against gay people, which obviously is not Obama or even at all typical of his supporters, but let me tell you read one that says they are coming Jamaica style to throw acid in our faces and another saying they expect Obama to close gay businesses and if he does not it means his boosters are supposed to set them on fire, read one or two of those, along with a million less violent but equally smug ' you gays think Obama is going to pay for your drag parades with Federal funds, get real, he's a Christian man and he Hates depravity. Give up on your rights, and just hope to survive.'

Read a few of those Red, and the winner is clear. Oh, and one of the calls to violence was on Obama's own website and stayed for 12 hours after I placed phone calls to 3 different campaign offices and his digs in DC. Sorry, but this is how it has been.

I backed Kucinich, then mildly Edwards. Now I'm just a Democrat wondering what happened to the Party, revival bashings and votes for war.

[IndianaJones]

94. they know that..its called being disingenuous. all you have to do is look at the front page. nt.

[redqueen]

98. I understand that that's how you see it.

But once again, I don't see others' perception as fact... nor will I.

We took the same path (Kucinich, then Edwards)... it was Open Govt & DLC which swayed me towards Obama.

[Bluenorthwest]

102. What you are doing is

Not treating the facts with perception.
The events that I reported happened. So you don't have the same priorities as I do. Big deal.

Why don't you do us all a favor and explain what you mean by Open Govt. as a reason to vote Obama. I assume you refer to some rhetoric of Obama's, not his actions, as he voted a very strong and Excelon Yes on Dick Cheney's energy bill, made in secret meetings. Yes, for the Nukes!

Open government. Ready, begin.

[redqueen]

103. Sorry, what I mean is that we all perceive things differently.

It's not my perception that some nutball posts on whatever site are any indication that you're correct in your perception that it's mostly Obama's supporters being assholes, that's all.

As for Open Government, I mean the vote on the bill for Open Government... Obama's and Clinton's votes in the Senate have been nearly identical. That's one of the few where they both voted, and they voted differently. He voted for more open govt, she voted against.

I'm well aware of his vote for Cheney's energy lobbyist pals' bill... and I don't like it. In fact, before I'd decided between Clinton and Obama, I harped about it often in this very forum.

[Phillycat]

30. But there are so many more assholey Obama supporters!

And they are so much more assholey! Honestly, that was a big help in pushing me to the Clinton camp after Edwards dropped out. They were so obnoxious, it was like, well, I don't want to be THAT, so I'll try this over here. And after doing my research, Hillary was much the better candidate in so many ways.

[redqueen]

34. I'd never use assholey supporters as a reason for my support for a candidate.

And sorry, but without some kind of survey results, I'm not likely to take anyone else's word for it, as far as which camp has been nastier.

I was a Kucinich supporter when this primary season started, and when I was here at the beginning it was my opinion based on my perspective (though I'd never try to present it as fact) that Clinton's supporters were far more arrogant.

[Phillycat]

38. I wouldn't either, of course.

As I said, I DID MY RESEARCH after first being pushed into the Clinton camp by that emotional response. I am not a moron, you know that, and I'd appreciate your not treating me like one.

I was an Edwards supporter until he dropped out, and the entire time, I've thought Obama's supporters were much nastier. As you say, there is no empiric evidence, because no one sits all day and counts threads. But I've spent a lot of time in here, barring the week here or there when I just couldn't take it and banned myself from GDP to clear my head.

OT: I had no idea until today that you were an Obama supporter. That really surprises me, I must say. I've found Obama supporters in general to be sort of overemotional and uninformed, and you are neither of those things. What makes you support him, may I ask?

[redqueen]

40. How did I treat you like a moron?

:wtf:

I was an Edwards supporter after Kucinch's deal with Obama... but that has nothing to do with my not perceiving that either camp was more guilty of being obnoxious.

As for the reasons I support Obama... I waffled back and forth between he and Hillary for weeks, I wasn't pleased with his vote for Cheney's energy bill... and I was downright offended by his comments about Reagan... but what sealed it for me was his vote for Open Government, and her vote against - as well as his not being in the DLC, and her continued membership with that organization.

[bling bling]

67. You didn't. No matter what we say they retort that we attacked them

It's been part of the game they play to victimize themselves and label Obama suppoerters sexist, arrogant, you name it.

I would never intentionally try to offend anyone but I don't care who I offend on the other side right now because they pretend they're offended regardless of what we say. I'm going to say what I want to say about what I think about Hillary and her supporters. Because I've learned the response to me whether I'm diplomatic or not will be EXACTLY the same anyway. The response to you with the poster feigning insult over you calling her a "moron" when you didn't say anything of the sort is exactly what I mean.

I especially love the posters who metaphorically slap Obama supporters in the face in the SAME post where they demand we be respectful to Hillary people. I say WTF?? to that too.

[redqueen]

69. No, please don't...

let's try not to make it worse, ok?

That's my problem with this whole thread... it isn't part of the solution, but rather exacerbates the problem.

*sigh*

[bling bling]

70. Don't what?

[redqueen]

72. Don't not care who you offend on the other side...

I thought you were referring to the Clinton supporters... if you meant the republicans, then nevermind. :)

[bling bling]

75. Well, I think you must have misunderstood me then.

I said I would never *intentionally* try to offend. But I'm going to keep it true and call it how I see it without worrying about who thinks it's offensive or insulting. What I mean is I don't want to walk on eggshells anymore, when all I'm doing is saying my opinion. Everybody is so easily offended and insulted over nothing. And I've seen so many *feigned* insults here lately by clinton suppoerters that it makes it hard to care anymore if I'm accused of it. You (not you specifically, but in general) say something totally innocent and get accused by an "insulted" Clinton supporter for being sexist, or for calling them a moron, or whatever.

I appreciate your trying to elevate the discourse. I think it's admirable.

[redqueen]

77. Oh I see...

heh, I thought you were going to join the "if it's payback, it's fair!" thing.

[DemBones DemBones]

81. As you know, I'm a long-time Kucinich supporter and

I agree that there were some very obnoxious people here supporting Clinton but most of them seem to have left and been replaced by even more obnoxious people supporting Obama.

[Hoof Hearted]

60. Only the media ever perpetuated, packaged, sold and bought that "inevitable" crap - and those who

believed them or wanted to use the theme for their own reasons.

Hillary Clinton NEVER took this nomination for granted, "inevitable" was a creation of the media, a deliberate "who does this woman think she is" smear designed to package her the way they wanted and to push their horse race.

[redqueen]

61. It was echoed here ad nauseam...

before Obama won Iowa, anyway. And probably for a while after.

Again, I'm not keeping a scorecard, so I'd have to check to be sure... but it was echoed here, and very obnoxiously. By Clinton supporters.

[LittleClarkie]

78. Indeed

Once you pick a candidate, all you can see is the vitrole on one side. But I reckon it's still both sides.

Just depends on who's winning.

And my first turn off re: Hillary was that inevitability thing you mention. Before anyone cast a vote we were told that she was the nominee, that no one had ever overcome such a frontrunner who was so far ahead, that anyone who was supporting someone else might as well just give up.

It was that initial smugness that turned me off straight away. Though I had no candidate at that time, I was less inclined to even give Hillary a look. I was not going to be assimilated. Resistance was not futile.

[redqueen]

97. Yup... before even one vote was cast.

The gall... ugh.

[IndianaJones]

10. rec. nt.

[Catherine Vincent]

21. I agree.

They know who they are.

[ronnykmarshall]

27. Oooooo!

I wanna see!

[Maddy McCall]

35. I wanna see!

(As long as it's not me! :blush: )

[cboy4]

36. lol, it's not you.....that's for sure.

:)

[redqueen]

47. How about me?

[cboy4]

63. Oh heck no.

You're suffering from acute denial about the atrocious behavior of others at the very most. :)

[redqueen]

66. Heheheh

:P



Honestly... I don't know anymore... I told someone "fuck you" yesterday, so... *sigh*

Then again, that was for saying they wouldn't vote for the nominee, so... maybe that's a less offensive kind of assholey obnoxiousness? I hope so, anyway...

[MonkeyFunk]

39. me, too!

I wanna see!

[ronnykmarshall]

41. Show US!

Show and tell time!

[LostinVA]

42. I'll show you mine if you show me yours

[MonkeyFunk]

46. umm...

er...

*cough*

umm...

you're talking about our stamp collections, right?

[LostinVA]

51. Duh

[ronnykmarshall]

52. Tee-hee!

[Midlodemocrat]

43. Me, too!!! Me, too!!!!

[JuniperLea]

44. I hear that...

But denial is more than a river around here today;)

[redqueen]

50. So if I don't agree that Obama's supporters are nastier...

then I'm in denial?

Is that it?

It can't just be differences in perception?



I'm starting to wonder if some DUers on here aren't actually keeping scorecards...

[JuniperLea]

56. No, that's not the point...

It's the backspin from "Hillary should throw in the towel if she loses Ohio and Texas"... now that she has crossed the imaginary line drawn in the sand of DU, another is being drawn. It's like an old Bugs Bunny cartoon...

I think those who have the better perspective are those who don't have a dog in this race. I couldn't care less who wins this, as long as a Dem wins and the idiots who claim they can't vote for one or the other in the general get a clue.

[redqueen]

57. I didn't swtich immediately from Edwards to Obama.

So I was without a dog in the fight for a while... still no clear "winner" as for as moral high ground, from my viewpoint.

That line has been redrawn multiple times, by supporters from all sides.

[rodeodance]

49. yes. lets hope so.

[berni_mccoy]

53. Pot, meet kettle. Hillary supporters have been as bad if not worse.

[Seabiscuit]

54. Only those "cocky assholes" failed to see the "payback" humor in this silly poll:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4893098

[redqueen]

55. Sorry, but I didn't see it as silly...

I thought you were serious, and reacted accordingly.

So does that mean you consider me one of those "cocky assholes"?

[Hoof Hearted]

58. Can I get an AMEN!!!! Some of the worst went into hiding as soon as results started rolling in.

Big plates of crow are hard for the terminally immature to handle.

I am hoping (I probably ask for too much, but a person can dream) that we can begin to have a few substantiative discussions in here.

[Seabiscuit]

105. I noticed the same phenomenon last night. They went into hiding.

It left them speechless.

By now they're beginning to crawl out of the woodwork again but haven't really learned how to put words together yet.

[writes3000]

62. YOU TOLD ME I HAVE NO SELF-ESTEEM

And you're complaining about the shitty comments you've gotten?

What did I say to you personally that deserved that comment? Nothing.

Look in the mirror, please. Take a long look.

[writes3000]

68. Still waiting for a response, cboy4. n/t

[Jamastiene]

115. Uhm, How can you possibly support your candidate when

this is what they stand for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU">The Dirty Truth About Obama

[LostinVA]

73. Glad to see your caps key isn't really broken

Whew.

Cboy has proven himself around here, and tends not to say things without a very good reason.

[writes3000]

74. He's calling out posters who make nasty personal attacks

I want him to answer me on his own nasty personal attack.

And I'm still waiting.

[LostinVA]

76. The man does work, you know

[writes3000]

83. He also makes uncalled, nasty personal attacks

Just like the ones he's calling out.

So I'm still waiting.

[LostinVA]

85. Wait -- I remember that post

You were the one who brought up the whole self-esteem thing in the first place.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4841209#4841549

[writes3000]

88. That wasn't the original thread that started it.

In the original thread, cboy4 did exactly what I claimed. And here, in this very post, he reiterated the notion that those that didn't agree with him have no self-esteem.

[Bluenorthwest]

101. Look here Showbiz,

you were there saying that not boosting Obama is hating him. Hyperbole was met with hyperbole. That amazes you? Hate? Do you know what it is? It is not voting for the other Democrat in a Primary.
I am shocked to hear you are 20 years into a career. You write like a petulent child.
Oh, and in showbiz, the public jobs are actually public, on camera. Some office full of like minds is far from living a life like that of an out actor or musician. Ever buy lube and sign an autograph at the same time? Yeah, I thought not.
See public, hate, self-esteem, all of these words have meanings. They are not terms of art. If you were public and out, you'd name your job and company and self right here in public. You are cloistered and semi-out. Protected by showbiz from the reality most gay people face. I speak because I know.
Good day.

[writes3000]

109. Nuance and sarcasm

I guess they aren't subtleties you picked up. I don't believe not supporting Obama is hating him. But the OP's suggestion that any gay who could support Obama and not be upset/alarmed/etc re: McClurkin must have no self-esteem is hyperbole. My sarcastic response was that all gay people "must" hate Obama based on that ridiculous hyperbole.

I'm out. I'm out at work. I'm out to my family and friends. I hold hands with my partner at restaurants and he puts his arm around me as we walk down the street. I'm very, very comfortable with my public and private self. Thanks.

Lastly, I'm absolutely stomping my foot and creating a scene exactly because I want the OP to recognize HIS part in the problem he's complaining about. And based on the long lack of reply, I leave here having made my point.

[LittleClarkie]

80. Just like the states Hillary didn't win, that comment didn't matter

Only the comments against Hillary supporters matter. The rest are justifiable criticism, doncha know.

[writes3000]

84. That seems to be LostinVA's point above.

cboy4 said it so it must have been justified.

I'm interested to know how it was justified since I didn't attack or insult cboy4.

[LostinVA]

86. He didn't say you had low self-esteem, btw

[writes3000]

87. Oh yes, he did.

And others pointed it out to him.

[cboy4]

114. writes3000, not one person in the world likes to hear

they need to work on their self confidence.

Fortunately, I have a lot of confidence, but if I didn't...I wouldn't like to hear people tell me the truth.

You know, the people who dismiss the McClurkin situation remind me of, for instance, the Log Cabin Republicans.

Talk about people who hate themselves deep down inside.

I've had discussions with a couple of Log Cabiners, and I've told them in frank terms that they have a certain type of emotional problem because of their accute self-hate. And emotional problems pertain to self esteem/self confidence/self love, etc. -- I'm not saying they're crazy.

And yea, they fly off the handle when I tell them. And I understand that.

I'm just trying to be honest because it helps people improve.

It's my view that Log Cabiners hate being gay, hate everything gay...and therefore don't have a problem hanging out with a Republican Party that would outlaw homosexuality if they could. It's their way of disassociating themselves with homosexuality.

I don't think you or other people who are giving Obama a free pass don't like being gay. But something's up writes3000. That's why a majority of gay people are so mad about this.

So, it's not a matter of you "deserving."

It's a matter of you and others being told the truth, which is that people who are confident don't let other people walk all over them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

82. Post Them Without The Names...That's Within The Rules

~

[Beausoir]

89. Do people here actually PM you with nasty comments? That is insane.

Honestly, that has never once happened to me and you seem MUCH nicer than I am.

[redqueen]

90. It's happened to me...

it was the first time it ever happened to me, and I was deeply shocked.

[Beausoir]

93. That would freak me out. Creep me out. Isn't that against the rules?

[redqueen]

95. It's definitely against the rules.

And yes, it sure did creep me out.

[LostinVA]

91. It's happened to me plenty of times

[Beausoir]

96. I think you have some interesting "groupies" for lack of a better term.

The Fred Phelps stuff, the hompohobe stuff.

Creepy.

[LostinVA]

99. I'm so lucky

Today I was basically told I needed to get fucked by a man.

[Beausoir]

100. Oh FFS! My god. Wow.

I guess I'm just going to hideout in my relative obscurity and hope the freaks don't find my inbox.

[joshcryer]

107. I hope that person got banned!

Incredible.

[LostinVA]

110. Nope

[Beacool]

108. Don't worry, payback is in November.

For me, no Hillary on the ticket, no vote or vote for Nader.

:shrug:

[redqueen]

111. Because of supporters' behavior?

Not issues... not for the good of the planet... not for the betterment of SCOTUS...

:wtf:

[Beacool]

112. I can't stand Obama for various reasons.

I can probably only be persuaded to vote for him if Hillary too is on the ticket. If she's not, then I have to do some serious thinking and decide whether to stay home, write in her name or throw my vote to Nader.

[redqueen]

113. That's pretty sad. (nt)