So Obama wins GOP voters (again) and somehow Hillary is the GOP choice?

[rinsd]

According to CNN exits, GOPers made up 9% of the voter in TX with Obama winning them 53 to 46.

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#TXDEM

[NJmaverick]

1. There are two types of choices

There are Republicans voting for Obama because they want to have a chance to vote for him in November

Then there are the Republicans that voted for Hillary because Limbaugh told him that would be the best way to hurt the Dems.

[rinsd]

4. Yes Republicans voting for Obama only have the purest of intentions?

:rofl:

While I have no doubts that GOPers are seeking to monkey around with the Dem primaries, this holier than thou attitude is laughable!

[NJmaverick]

7. Do you deny the FACT that there are Republicans who like

Obama???? Are you that out of touch with reality?

[rinsd]

12. You just insinuated all GOPers voting for Obama have pure intentions.

While all GOP voters for Hillary did so because Rush told them so.

"Are you that out of touch with reality?"

I would ask the same but I already have the answer.

[NJmaverick]

26. That is what Rush Limbaugh told them to do

Remember?

[rinsd]

31. See post #15 for a more critically thought out approach.

[democrattotheend]

15. I think Republican crossovers fall into three categories

1. Genuine supporters of a Democratic candidate. A lot of Republicans are fed up with Bush and looking for a change. Based on my experience in Columbus over the weekend, where I met a lot of Republicans who were torn between McCain and Obama for the primary and the general but said they'd never vote for Hillary, I think a majority, though certainly not all, of the Republicans who genuinely favor a Democratic candidate support Obama.

2. Republicans who are voting for the lesser of two evils. These people probably won't vote Democratic in the fall, but at least find one Democrat less objectionable than the other and are voting for the Democrat they'd rather have in the White House in case McCain loses. I think a lot of Democrats voted for McCain in the primaries in 2000 for the same reason. This group is probably more for Obama than Clinton, given the amount of hatred she (unfairly) inspires among Republicans and the fact that some Republicans like Obama personally even if they don't agree with his views.

3. Strategic voters. This group is much smaller than the other two, but at this point, I think it is safe to say that a large majority of strategic Republican voters are voting for Clinton. That may not have been true early on, since Republicans were somewhat divided over who would be easier to beat. But at this point, regardless of which Dem looks easier to beat, it was in their interest to keep our primary going for as long as possible. The fact that Limbaugh was advocating that listeners vote for Clinton yesterday probably increased the number of strategic crossovers.

[rinsd]

30. I think that is a fair assessment.

[NJmaverick]

42. That pretty much sums it up

Sort of negates the whole assertion of this thread.

[Maven]

20. And you interviewed both sets to see what their intentions were?

Or are you just making shit up to suit your agenda?

I'm gonna go with "making shit up."

[Mike Daniels]

38. Those are some mighty good drugs you're smoking

Repubs voting for Obama are doing so because they see him as the easier target to plaster with whatever dirt they plan on digging up come the general election.

Hillary may be more polarizing but she knows what to expect as far as attacks on her are concerned. For better or worse, the Clintons have already been up against the Republican machine and they came out as the winners in those battles.

[melody]

2. Yes, because Hillary has kept us from a clear nominee -- we have lost precious months of time

She has no chance of being the party nominee without backroom dealing.

We should be targeting McCain ... instead, they'll continue fighting each other (and weakening each other).

[Malikshah]

5. Do you plan on responding to the numbers and how they contradict

the dominant meme on this site?

Let's not let reality get run over by partisanship.

Look to unity.

[melody]

8. I believe that's what I said n/t

[Malikshah]

19. Unity? Nope-- rank partisanship that would make Rove take notice

is what I saw.

[melody]

41. I find that odd coming from an obvious Clinton supporter -- she has played by the Rove book

I just want a damned nominee ... whomever it is.

[Malikshah]

52. Really-- I'm a Clinton supporter. Last I saw, my vote in FL went for Edwards.

Such is life.

I will note this though. I've yet to have a Clinton supporter accuse me of being an Obama supporter.


Why is that?

Time for some soul searching folks. This isn't a game.

[rinsd]

6. Pssst Obama can only win the nomination on the back of Superdelegates.

[melody]

9. No, he will emerge the likely nominee -- he will have more delegates

Hillary is the one playing the superdelegate game ... she's the one dividing the party.

But I guess it's more important that you're finally proud to be a woman. :eyes:

[leftynyc]

27. NEITHER can win without

superdelegates. Has that gotten through to you yet?

[melody]

40. Yesterday, one would have -- has that gotten through to YOU yet?

Now, Clinton has cost us months of time and will now inflict even more damage on the likely nominee.

I'm happy to have Obama step down if the Clinton supporters simply must stand against the tradewinds.
NOW is the time to pick a damned nominee -- WHOMEVER they are.

[rinsd]

32. "you're finally proud to be a woman"

In addition to the sexism of this remark I find it quite funny since I do not have the proper genitalia.

But perhaps you can tell me how Obama secures the nomination without Superdelegates?

[melody]

33. Sorry -- wrong poster. Someone else is using your graphic, touting being newly proud of femaleness

The math is long and elaborate. I've made (and others have made) ten posts with it over the last two days. Seek and ye shall find.

[onenote]

14. Pssst HRC can only win the nomination on the back of Superdelegates.

Neither candidate is going to have won enough delegates through the primaries/caucuses to capture the nomination without superdelegates providing the margin of victory.

So was there some particular point that you were trying to make?

[rinsd]

16. That Hillary is using some backroom deal by relying on Supes while Obama is not.

[leftynyc]

22. Precious months of time???

The primaries started on 1/3. Or should have we just let Iowa decide our nominee?

[melody]

37. The GOP has a nominee -- NOW is the time to back ONE candidate

Since Clinton has made it impossible to do that without going to the convention, we've lost precious months
of time to do battle with McCain. Instead, Hillary will be beating up on Obama ... then again, maybe that
was the point all along. A united Clinton/McCain front against Obama.

[Malikshah]

3. Unfortunately, folks from Stephanie Miller to the partisans on this site

don't wish to look at the numbers.

I wish folks would just chill and realize that the Repubs are laughing all the way to the election as folks get their knickers in a twist over this.

[melody]

11. And what has caused this situation to exist -- the pigheadedness of one candidate who can't win

This is about nothing but Clinton's selfish ambitions.

[Malikshah]

18. Nothing but? Wow.. Glad to know you're all knowing and seeing.

Talk about generalization.

And so the irrationalities (i.e. not backed up by one iota of evidence) continue.

[melody]

34. *sigh* I have repeated all the evidence all night, just as you've posed as a seeker of unity

You just want Clinton to win.

I don't care who wins -- I want a nominee NOW. The only person who had the numbers to do that was Obama.
Now, we have nothing but a vastly weakened ticket.

[Malikshah]

51. Really-- as a stated Edwards supporter I'm shocked that my vote was switched.

Who'd a thunk it.

You guys on both sides of this wrestling match have really become the problem.

The weakness of the ticket comes from those who view this as some playground game complete with repeated cries of "No fair" "No do overs" "No cuts"

Where are the mats, graham crackers, and lukewarm milk when you need them?

[pleah]

21. And Obama doesn't have selfish ambitions?

He is a career politician, too.

[melody]

35. Last week, we had a likely nominee and a strong ticket

This week, we have seen Hillary Clinton seriously damage our front-runner, praise the GOP nominee,
and make certain we won't have a single nominee (and thus open the way to more damage to be done
to both of them) until the convention. If McCain wins in November, we'll have Hillary Clinton AND
her "supporters" to thank for it.

All because of one person's blind ambition.

[rodeodance]

29. "This is about nothing but [BO's] selfish ambitions" YUP

[melody]

36. Last week, we had a likely nominee and a strong ticket, as I said before

This week, we have seen Hillary Clinton seriously damage our front-runner, praise the GOP nominee,
and make certain we won't have a single nominee (and thus open the way to more damage to be done
to both of them) until the convention. If McCain wins in November, we'll have Hillary Clinton AND
her "supporters" to thank for it.

All because of one person's blind ambition -- HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, someone I used to admire very much.
Yesterday destroyed that for me and for anyone who truly wants a united Democratic Party that is strong
enough to crush the enemy.

[rodeodance]

44. Dems had a strong candidate with HRC--they are once again seeing the light.

[melody]

45. Seeing what light? Another long, divisive stretch of time attacking fellow Democrats?

But then, Hillary seems to be in favor of the GOP over any Democrat not named Clinton.

[rodeodance]

49. you are one mixed up SWOONER. good luck

[rodeodance]

47. btw---your comments illustrate to me that you see BO has lost his MOJO.

[melody]

48. And your incessant one-line, regurgitated spin quotes illustrate to me you think this is a game

We're fighting for the goddamned survival of our nation and our people -- I don't give a flying fuck about
Obama's MOJO or lack of. I want ONE nominee. Thanks to you people, we won't have that until the convention.

[rodeodance]

50. too bad--his mojo is gone. Did you see all the beatiful headlines of Hillary's win today ?

[onenote]

10. and "very conservative" voters preferred HRC by a huge margin

58% to 42% -- and they made up 7% of the voters. Which suggests that Obama got support from moderate repubs who might actually vote for a Democratic candidate in the fall, but Clinton may have gotten votes from conservative repubs. Maybe those conservative repubs really believe rush and will even support HRC over McCain in the fall. But I wouldn't bet on it.

[rinsd]

28. Hillary still beat him amongst moderate conservatives though.

Picking some other red states going with your "very conservatives won't vote for the Demo nominee" theory. I am going with those states where CNN had enough data for both moderate & very conservative voters so some red states are not included. And I did not include red states with caucuses because we do nto have data for them.

Obama thumped Hillary in AL with the very conservatives while in a near tie for moderate conservatives.

Hillary won very conservatives handily in AR though she won moderate conservatives by an even higher margin.

In TN, Hillary won both, winning the very conservative demographic by a higher margin.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. Hey, Don't Be So Cruel. Facts Hurt Their Brains, Don't You Know That???

Take it easy on them. We real Dems should never want to purposely put people in pain...

:rofl:

[mmonk]

17. Imagine how helpful they would have been

without the ditto heads coming in to offset them.

[marlakay]

23. I bet his will vote for him in Nov while hers

will be voting for McCain...thats the difference!!!!!!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

24. Obama folk are is FULL SPIN mode today (more than usual)

[rodeodance]

25. REC

[CitizenRob]

39. This is where you engage your critical thinking skills.

9% of Dem ballots were cast by Republicans in Texas.

Of that 9%, 47% went to Hillary, roughly equivalent to 4% of TOTAL Dem ballots.

Final Texas results:

O:48% H:51%

I personally find it difficult to believe that ANY registered Republican would vote for Hillary after the last 16 years of malignment by the right wing media. It is in fact within the realm of possibility that Republican voters did win Texas for Hillary. We don't know the intention of each voter since there is no polling data on the subject though. Perhaps hese Republicans HONESTLY voted for Hillary.

But what I've learned is that "Honesty" and "Republican" rarely belong in the same sentence.

[yardwork]

43. Wait, I thought that Hillary won because the Republicans voted for *her*

Damn. I can't keep the spin straight around here.

[Lilith Velkor]

54. When they vote for her, it's a dirty trick

When they vote for him, it's because they have had a genuine change of heart and are eager to vote for him in November, and they can't possibly be trying to bring out the racist vote because racism doesn't exist anymore in America so stop saying that, you racist.

Something like that. :crazy:

[yardwork]

56. That's what I thought. LOL!

[GodlessBiker]

46. Limbaugh told repukes to vote for Clinton in OH and TX.

[yardwork]

57. I'm sure that plenty of racist repukes complied in OH and TX.

They probably would have done it anyway. They're not going to vote for Obama or Hillary in the general election. Racists won't support a woman, either. Unfortunately for them, they hate McCain too. The racists hate everyone left in the race. Too bad for them. LOL!

[amborin]

53. again: Obama supporters use Bush/Rove/Orwell Double Speak

[jeffrey_X]

55. Read this carefully

I'd hate for you to miss anything.

The GOP voters who are voting for Obama are people who are moderate, independent and could one day be progressive democrats. People do change parties you know.

The GOP voters who are voting for Hillary are hard-core right wing nuts and Rush Limpball supporters who hate the democratic party with all of their heart and soul.

[yardwork]

58. This post is satire, right?

"My candidate is a god-like person who motivates people to do only good. My candidate's opponent is a hateful slimeball that appeals only to traitors."

Do you realize how silly this sounds, especially when comparing two candidates who are virtually identical on the issues?

[rinsd]

59. LOL.

My candidate's voters are pure as the driven snow while your candidate's voters are pure evil.

And people wonder why Obama supporters are called a cult.