To all women Hillary supporters -- as a woman do you really want to support a war candidate.

[Emillereid]

What's the point of electing a woman if all she's going to do is out-macho the worst men? I want my female candidate to expound female values and not cozy up to the arms industry. Will we let the Military-Industrial complex get the President they want? I'm sure they know what they're paying for?

Hillary Clinton receives the largest number of military donations…from the Defense industry.
Posted on October 19, 2007 by Lance
The ever famed ‘Military-Industrial Complex’ has picked their candidate of choice: Hillary Rodham Clinton. When Hillary takes office, do not be prepared to see an anti-war populist of any sort. She is as establishment as Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson, ready to declare war on Iran at a moment’s notice. The defense industry sees this and, I think, has made a good investment. Well, good if you’re a defense contractor. .... http://politicalinquirer.com/2007/10/19/hillary-clinton-receives-the-largest-number-of-military-donationsfrom-the-defense-industry/

Thomas B. Edsall
The Huffington Post
Defense Industry Embraces Democrats, Hillary By Far The Favorite
October 17, 2007 11:07 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/17/defense-industry-embraces_n_68927.html?view=print

The defense industry this year abandoned its decade-long commitment to the Republican Party, funneling the lion share of its contributions to Democratic presidential candidates, especially to Hillary Clinton who far out-paced all her competitors.

An examination of contributions of $500 or more, using the Huffington Post's Fundrace website, shows that employees of the top five arms makers - Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop-Grumman, Raytheon and General Dynamics -- gave Democratic presidential candidates $103,900, with only $86,800 going to Republicans.

Senator Clinton took in $52,600, more than half of the total going to all Democrats, and a figure equaling 60 percent of the sum going to the entire GOP field. Her closest competitor for defense industry money is former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney (R.), who raised $32,000.

Insofar as defense workers making political donations reflect the interests of their employers, the contributions clearly suggest that the arms industry has reach the conclusion that Democratic prospects for 2008 are very good indeed. Since their profits are so heavily dependent on government contracts, companies in this field want to be sure they do not have hostile relations with the White House. .... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/17/defense-industry-embraces_n_68927.html?view=print

[LostinVA]

1. "I want my female candidate to expound female values"

What exactly are female values? Please list them.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. Ironing shirts and baking cookies?

[tyne]

5. As a woman

I wouldn't call her a "war candidate", I'd call her a "do-ver candidate". Do-over after do-over after do-over.

[calico1]

7. Yes, that's what I want my female candidate to do,

AND know how to stand by her man.

:eyes:

[Catherine Vincent]

Pleasing your man?

[Emillereid]

9. Traditionally the female qualities in all of us have to do with nurturance -

care, compassion and connection to others. It's unfortunate that the feminine is dismissed as baking cookies and the like. There is nothing weak about the power of love and the goal of peace - in fact, I believe that if we don't find a way to put an end to war, it will ultimately destroy us all. Evolve or die.

[LostinVA]

10. That's nice and everything but your OP is quite disengenuous

It talks about donations from employees of those companies, not the companies themselves. Lots of people work for companies that go against their personal ethics.

Secondly, I want a pragmatist in office, not an idealist. Your post sounds awfully idealist to me.

[papau]

3. Huffington? - should anyone listen to Arianna?

[leftofcool]

4. List female values please

[grasswire]

6. you're making an awful lot of assumptions

How about comparing the donations of the defense contractors? You're only examining the relatively small contribution of their employees. Does anyone really think that a measley $52,000 is going to sway the politics of a presidential candidate and cause the candidate to go against the wishes of his/her own party members?

Please. That's naive.

[Tarc]

8. What's the matter, is the Obama camp running out of race cards to play?

So now they're printing out a few dozen gender cards to toss out? How sad. :nopity:

[Fredda Weinberg]

11. I compete in real life w/men. I will not forsake any weapons

simply because they're not considered appropriate for my gender. I retain all my feminine strengths, which makes me a formidable competitor.

Yup, that's what I want from my first female president.

[msongs]

12. obama consistently votes to support and fund the iraqi occupation nt

[LostinVA]

14. That's okay -- he's a man

:eyes:

[oasis]

13. Strong on national defense. Definitely a big issue for a mom.

That's why Hillary's " 3:00 am phone call" ads were so powerful. That's why scores of general's and admirals are backing her candidacy.

[Carolina]

15. HRC's calculated vote for IWR

followed by silence when it was clear GWB was going to war is when I started disliking her. Indeed, she continued to support the war in every way until it was clearly unpopular and could jeopardiaze HER and her POTUS plans.

Add in her abominable, low road, kitchen sink, GWB-like campaign and I will NEVER vote for her.

[Emillereid]

16. Obama actually exemplifies the feminine more than Hillary when he talks of

"changing the mind set that leads to war." Another way is possible. It's not the absolute amount of money that Clinton has received - it's the fact that the armament industry sees her as the best candidate to serve their interests.

I agree with John F. Kennedy -
- Mankind must put an end to war, or war will put an end to mankind.

Yep - he was an idealist too. Not bad company to have.

[VotesForWomen]

17. OK, so you're writing in Kucinich, right? i voted nader in 2004 over IWR; the time for that was 200

2002 and 2004; to make iwr a litmus test now just makes dems look weak and fickle. and most importantly- O is no different than hill on iwr/iraq war in any substantive way. combine that with hill's greater policy expertise, experience, and polish, and i just think she is the better of the two (O and clinton). mind you, i have a kucinich bumper sticker on my car, but as far as i'm concerned, there's no difference on the war between hill and O.

[carlotta]

18. I had to support a war candidate with Kerry last time

and I'll bet the rest of you did, too. So, although it does bother me, there are so many other Hillary Clinton qualities that I admire, I would have to answer, yes.

[katty]

19. don't want EITHER candidate worrying about 'female values'

anyone who wins the WH will be facing: iraq, healthcare, recession, job downturn, skyrocketing oil prices, dollar dropping....they don't need to know how to hold a Love-In or bake cookies, they need to get going and start WORKING.

[Emillereid]

21. Boy, in that statement do you denigrate women big time. It is unfortunate

that the feminist movement lost much of its beginnings in the 60s wherein we thought that traditional female values of nurture, compassion, connectedness and caring were qualities around which to build a just and equitable society. Instead women donned their three piece suit and entered into the corporate system with all the fervor of their male brethren and essentially aspired to traditional male values. The male comes forward as the universal, while females and all that they stand for are somehow less or weak. So discard all that is feminine and join the board and screw each other just like the big boys. Too bad. We sure could use more men and women who are not afraid to express their feminine selves and take on the problems that you mention.

You are probably not going to get this - I sense you have totally swallowed the myths of patriarchy.

[ProgressIn2008]

20. Meh, they're both pro-war candidates - you think Obama will address this:

Our economy is built (teeteringly so) on war-mongering. No candidate "filtered" to be a "serious" presidential candidate will even mention this as a problem. Case in point: the Dennis Kucinich treatment.