DU you does NOT represent the real world. A UNITY TICKET WILL WORK and here is why. (numbers inside)

[musicblind]

Let’s end this MYTH that a unity ticket will never ever work because “Clinton is too hated, she’ll drag down the ticket. Obama supporters will never vote for her.” And ABOVE ALL ELSE lets stop pointing out personal opinions as if they were representative of ANYONE but yourself! No more “Well I know THIS democrat will never vote for a ticket with Hillary on it.” … To that I say “Good for you, but you don’t represent reality. You represent a messageboard that is greatly skewed towards VERY hardcore Obama supporters and political junkies.”

The reality is, a FIRM MAJORITY of democrats will be satisfied with either Clinton OR Obama as the nominee. The hate does NOT run as deep as many of you would like to pretend. Here are the numbers from CNN’s exit polls:


Ohio
73% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
66% of democrats would be satisfied if Obama is the nominee

Texas
71% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
65% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee

Rhode Island
75% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
63% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee

and now… in Vermont… which is extremely hostile territory for Clinton and very pro-Obama…

Vermont
70% of democrats would be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee
82% of democrats would be satisfied with Obama as the nominee

Even in Vermont... 70% would be SATISFIED if Clinton came out on top.

PLUS, many of the people who voted “unsatisfied” are not saying they will never vote for the other candidate, just that they wouldn’t be fully satisfied. The truth is, on top of that, many will come around once this is over! So no more claiming that unity ticket just wouldn’t work when the numbers are flat against you. DU doesn’t represent America. It represents .001 percent of the population if even that. It also represents a portion of the population that IS NOT representative of America, because we are the people who live off of politics, take it personally, invest emotionally, care enough to spend all day arguing on a messageboard. Heck, I know professors who TEACH politics who wouldn't care enough about these candidates to spend all day arguing on a messageboard. (I honestly don't even think the candidates takes this as personally as some of the poeple on these messageboards.) Most people do not regard politics in the way we do, and most political junkies do not view politics in the way we do, and you know it. Yet, despite knowing this, you people use YOUR LIVES, and the lives of others on this messageboard to justify reasons why a unity ticket would not work??? Right …

[Exilednight]

1. You're making assumptions, and assumptions never pan out ....

the one thing that will keep me from voting for Obama is if Hillary is on the top of the ticket.

I'll go third party before I put her in the oval office.

[shraby]

4. Remember the Supreme Court!!!

We need a Democrat in the White House to keep the Supreme Court from going far far right.

[Exilednight]

7. I remember, and Hillary is just as good at picking a conservative justice as McCain is. Hill ....

is not Bill.

Just because they share the same last name does not mean they share the same politics.

[musicblind]

5. It is not an assumption

I am not assuming that nearly 70% of democrats are satisfied with Hillary on a ticket. I am stating hard numbers that show this. I am not assuming that a firm majority of democrats would be perfectly okay with a unity ticket. I am stating hard numbers that show this. Geesh.

Again, you point to your personal opinion as though it were representative of anyone besides yourself and the people in your immediate life. When you can find an exit poll that shows 70% of democrats saying they would never vote for Hillary Clinton, then you might have something.

[Exilednight]

11. 70% of Democrats leaves 30% to vote the other way. Even....

if half of 30% (15%) swings to McCain, kiss the election goodbye.

Gore lost by 6 delegates and less than a thousand votes.

[musicblind]

17. I addressed this in my OP

It didn't say 29% wouldn't vote for Hillary. It said that 70% would be SATISFIED and 29% may be less than SATISFIED. Many Edwards supporters were less than satisfied when he dropped out, though few of them are going to vote for McCain. It doesn't work that way. To assume 15% will NEVER EVER vote for Hillary IS an assumption and is not based on numbers or reality. That same thinking would mean that if 67% of Dems would be SATISFIED with Obama then 16.5% would never ever vote for him. BUT, in reality, most of those people will. This poll shows us that most of the voters in the democratic primary WOULD be satisfied with either of these candidates. We also know that most democrats have a history of voting for candidates they are not satisfied with ...

[Exilednight]

22. You're right and wrong ....

"We also know that most democrats have a history of voting for candidates they are not satisfied with ..."


What we do know is that many, not most, but many, Democrats have a habit of voting cross ticket. This has always been the party's problem Move to far left and you alienate the moderates, move to close to the center and alienate the far left. Repugs keep people in their party, and then reach out to independents and across party lines.

Independents have always decided elections, and that is the missing puzzle pieces. Hillary's negatives turn off some in her own party, it will also turn off independents and she sure as hell is not going to get any repug to cross lines.


Hill is not Bill. If the ticket were Obama as President and Bill Clinton as VP, then it would be a slam dunk.

[Trajan]

2. YAY Music ....

Im an all inclusive kinda fella .... I like them all ....

[musicblind]

8. I agree

I like them all too. Well, MOST of them. I certainly like Hillary, Edwards, and Obama a lot. We ended up with three very good top contenders this time around.

[stuntcat]

14. (yup)

(it's what I want.. cooperation and stuff. I think the two of them would win together. but I don't have much faith left in people.. if McCain beats Clinton/Obama then it's just a last confirmation that we're headed straight for Hell. but if the two of them won together it would mean a lot for me.
Anyway I've lost hope, humanity's a bunch of doomed apes whatever happens.. McCain/Rice will scare the country into electing them and we'll soon go down in flames, it's better to just end it quick I guess :P the sooner we fizzle out the better.)

[SteppingRazor]

3. I agree that Obama can put Hillary on the ticket as VP, and that it would do some good, but...

I also think there are other people he could put on the ticket that would be more beneficial.

[NDambi]

6. I'm not voting for Hillary for Pres, VP or dog catcher

[musicblind]

10. Again you state your PERSONAL opinion as though

it represents anyone but yourself, or as though it should hold weight on the issue of a unity ticket. You MAY not vote for a ticket that has Hillary on it, but the vast majority of people will, and you know this to be true.

[NDambi]

15. Hey, as far as her on the ticket with Obama I speak for myself..but..

I have spoken with many others that say, if she's the nominee they won't vote for her, either, of course that never included Obama on the ticket. So perhaps, you're right.

I won't vote for her. I've stated it plainly. Period. Hope that helps you. More power to the people that do..their vote, their choice. Ain't America Grand.

[Eurobabe]

20. I've heard it too, from people that surprised me

Younger voters are really turned off by Clinton. It's sad. How does she capture them if she is the nominee? :shrug:

[musicblind]

21. With Obama, the man they love, as her VP of course!

[LostinVA]

23. Yup

[Eurobabe]

25. don't count on it. n/t

[NDambi]

27. He's in the lead..he won't be the VP and she won't over take him

[musicblind]

28. Then she can be his VP

and unify the party as well as maintain an appeal to indies and youths. (btw, I would fall into the youth vote as well, though maybe the slightly higher end, but still I would. Thought I'd mention that before someone else tries to say I am condescending to the youth.)

[NDambi]

30. Ugh...her on the ticket makes me ill..sorry

[bowens43]

9. Once again, Democrats will not elect the president.

Without the independent voters, no candidate can the win the presidency. Independents don't like Hillary, they prefer McCain to Hillary. Any ticket that includes Hillary will lose.

[Exilednight]

12. Exactly, it's always independents that elect the President.

[musicblind]

16. Indies may prefer McCain to Hillary right now

though I don't know the exact polls you are referring to, but I HAVE seen the polls showing that Obama does better than Hillary when facing McCain.

I would be perfectly happy with an Obama/Clinton ticket rather than Clinton/Obama. If it were an Obama/Clinton ticket, indies WOULD vote for it. They would be attracted by Obama. Their dislike of Clinton is NOT the same as the hatered on this messageboard, it is a mere preference. It would not be enough to push them off of the ticket with Obama at the top. Though, for that matter, I think a Clinton/Obama ticket could also draw some Indies as Obama can do a very hard push to bring them onto the ticket. However, yes, an Obama/Clinton might draw the most.

Either way, I think the power of an O/C or C/O ticket wins this fall against anything McCain can put up.

[susankh4]

13. Thanks!

And what a unity ticket that will be!

:grouphug:

[Armstead]

18. If you are correct, tell the candidates they'd better work something out SOON

Although your characterization of DU members is condescending, you only reinforce the problem by noting that most people don't pay as close attention as most do here.

Yes, the "anyone but a Republican" portion of the country, including loyal Democrats, would likely bite their tongues and vote for whomever is the Demo nominee.

But the only way to get a meaningful victory is to reach independents and some marginal disaffected Republicans.

But the more crap Hillary slings at Obama, the more those swing voters who are not paying close attention will say "To hell with both of them. I'm sick of the Democrats bickering. I'll go with McCain."

[musicblind]

26. Don't take it as

a condescending post towards DU. It is merely a reality check, because many people are arguing based off of their hate for Clinton and not reality. I personally love DU! I am so glad I found this site, because I myself am a hardcore political junkie who feels vastly different about this process than people in the real world... just like the others on this board. The difference is... I admit it.

[NoBorders]

19. Not sure it would fly, but not sure what the alternatives are either

I'm not thrilled with the idea of Clinton on the ticket, but it's difficult to see how this shakes out in any kind of harmonious way otherwise.
Obama will retain the pledged delegates throughout the rest of the primaries
Clinton will argue that she has won the big swing state of Ohio, and other 'big' states
Counting the FL and MI delegates without a re-vote would be a disaster (especially MI).

There will be no easy way out for the SD's to decide this.

The only way this goes down without serious acrimony is for one of them to concede at some point or run on the same ticket I guess.

[workinclasszero]

24. If Obama could stand having her as VP

I could support the ticket.

Clinton/Obama?? NO SALE.

[ORDem]

29. Clinton should be nowhere near the Presidential ticket, on top or bottom.

She will bring out the Goopers in droves and that's the last thing we need. Everyone focuses on the Presidential race and forgets that we need fillibuster proof majorities in Congres, or NOTHING will get done. The Goopers will block our every move. There is no hot burning Gooper issue on the table this year (9/11, gay marriage, etc.), so let's not endanger it by even talking about putting a RW lightning rod on the ticket.

:dem: