As an Obama Supporter I have to Admit the Canadian NAFTA Story Troubles Me!!

[Bullet1987]

Regardless of whether it's true or not, perception is everything in politics and this will probably hurt Obama more than people realize. I personally think there's something fishy about the whole thing...and I don't totally believe it because I know newspapers can say anything and claim a "source" told them so. But knowing how light Obama is on his criticism of NAFTA to begin with, stories like this don't dampen the real rage I have for our trade policies to begin with. And as far as I know, the Obama campaigns reply against it wasn't all that strong anyway...so what's that all about?

[NightWatcher]

1. there is no "there" there

Obama will overcome this nonsense as will he any other garbage thrown at him

[sniffa]

2. Does Rezko bother you?

If not, then this shouldn't either.

[Bullet1987]

7. Rezko doesn't bother me as much because it's not a polical issue

like our trade policies are. I think Obama can be hurt on appearing pro-NAFTA much quicker than the Rezko story. I mean, so Obama knew the guy...so fucking what. I'm sure Clinton has glad-handed plenty of shady people in her career. Unless it's shown that Obama did something illegal, there's really nothing else here.

[LSparkle]

3. Oh, were you listening to that cow Kiki McLean?

I read somewhere this morning that even the Canadians involved in the conversation can't understand what all this hoopla is about ... just another tempest in a teapot, courtesy of the Clinton campaign.

[BeyondGeography]

4. Looks like it troubles the Labor Party in Canada, too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLJJ88HTiX8

This is about the Conservative Party in Canada trying to make Obama look bad, and they're starting to be called on their bullshit in their own Parliament.

[berni_mccoy]

5. CTV is owned by Reuters, the same people who brought you black looters carrying diapers in Katrina.

while the same picture of a white couple carrying food were called survivors.

[JBoy]

24. CTV is not owned by Reuters.

CTV is Canada's largest private broadcaster - it's owned by CTVglobemedia.

[berni_mccoy]

25. Do the research Jack. It's CTVglobemedia is owned by Woodbridge Corporation

And Woodbridge is entirely owned by Thomson, who just merged with Reuters last May.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CTVglobemedia

[JimGinPA]

6. The Clinton Camp Put This Out...

The MSM is just feeding off it. It's been debunked as far as I'm concerned.

[BringBigDogBack]

10. agreed.

[nonconformist]

11. The Clinton camp made Obama do it?

Boy, that is one powerful Clenis!

[JimGinPA]

16. The Original Article Said BOTH Camps Had Contact

Both denied it. Hillary then accuses Obama of lying? :eyes:

[bellasgrams]

23. DU is the only place the Clinton Camp has been mentioned

as usual when their idol does something stupid they run to cover his tracks regardless how dumb it sounds.

[anigbrowl]

8. Eventually you'll learn to love free trade

I actually don't want to see Obama tack too far to the left on this. I am a strong free trader, and it's not because I own a shipping company or factories overseas. I just generally believe much more in free markets than I do in tariffs.

[mmonk]

9. There will be a lot more insinuations before it's over.

All the republicans will have to do and their media people is collect it all. They are sitting back probably starting to smile.

[rodeodance]

37. yes, because he has not denied it.

[Drunken Irishman]

12. Every election cycle false statements are circulated on every candidate.

This is no different and Obama will do just fine.

[malik flavors]

13. the truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLJJ88HTiX8

[Bullet1987]

15. Yea...the Canadians looked ready to fight!!!

[DJ13]

14. Why does it trouble you? Its unimportant outside of Ohio

And I've never been certain that Hillary would lose there anyway.

Its Texas thats important, and Hillary's smear that Obama is pro-NAFTA only helps Obama in Texas.

[Bullet1987]

17. NAFTA is a VERY big issue outside of Ohio

So you're slightly wrong on that level.

[applegrove]

18. Apparently Canadian consulate called the Obama campaign. That

means it wasn't initiated by Obama. So I think he is safe.

[hfojvt]

19. realistically though, I don't think that trade with Canada is a problem

It's not like we are losing jobs to Canada because of the low wages they pay there. Except for prescription drugs, we probably sell more to Canada than we buy.

[depakid]

20. I think it would (or should) trouble any rational person

as it suggests that the candidate's may have been duplicitous about a pretty damn important issue. Not having a dog in this fight, I guess that's easier for me to say- but reading some of the responses isn't very encouraging about people's attitudes.

They seem to run from denial- it's all lies- or it's a Hillary planted story.

Well, if the story turns out to be true (and I have no reason in particular to doubt it) what then?

Basically, the candidate goofed, and made an impolitic and potentially revealing statement- and I expect to see more and more of them as time goes on. So should you- and the campaigns reactions (damage control) will say a lot about its chances come November.

[DerekJ]

21. As a Canadian I urge you to take the NAFTA story with a grain of salt.

Jack Layton (Canadian NDP leader) called it “False accusations”, and if somebody with the stature of Jack Layton came out saying that it’s false accusation then he got information that those were false accusations, and there is some political ploy in the works.

[Patsy Stone]

26. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[DerekJ]

27. Thanks :) nt

[applegrove]

29. Yes welcome to the DU fellow Canadian.

:hi:

[bellasgrams]

22. B1987 Thank you for being truthful, it's seldom heard from the folks on

on your side.

[dansolo]

28. I don't believe either one of them is vehemently opposed to it.

I suspect that each would try to increase the labor and environmental concerns. The real key will be how they handle the tangential aspects, like perhaps eliminating tax incentives for companies that move their manufacturing to other countries. I think that NAFTA is one small piece in a very large puzzle.

[Hutzpa]

30. With all the information

available, you let a smear trouble you, why don't you spend some time

doing research, this is not the time to get weak.

Remember this, the corporatist and lobbyist are not going to

give up easily, if you think its an easy fight then you have

just pack and go home, because its not going to be pretty.

[amborin]

31. really troubling how he lied about the meeting ever taking place

okay...i suspect Goolsbee did indeed reassure the Canadians....

and certainly even if things occurred as Goolsbee says...that he merely reassured Canada that Obama only wanted more guarantees on labor and environment (which Bill Clinton also wanted and demanded), but did not want the US to bow out of Nafta....welll.....even that is different from the much stronger stuff Obama was telling Ohioans....

so that's troubling

but what's even MORE troubling is Obama's denials that any meeting between Goolsbee and the Canadians ever took place....Obama flat out denied it

it was only when the evidence was presented to the media---that a meeting did indeed occur---that Obama, caught red handed, then said, oh, well, 'he did't know about it'

that is simply unacceptable

If Obama didn't know about a meeting, he should have said he didn't know, that would have been truthful

instead, Obama denied any meeting ever took place

then, caught, he squirms out by saying he didn't know....

[cooolandrew]

32. Malloy debunks it here, link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgpAvckNixM

Written article here too...

http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=6a0ad227-2175-4142-8c40-a21c6e301223&k=46757
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.FOR the love of god folks turn the MSM off they are destroying our lives. Watch Olberman though. Always listen to headonradionetwork.com and novamradio.com for real news. Let'get our man past the post.

Here is what to do...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yel3hRs6h54
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[amborin]

33. no, it's not debunked at all...

sure, canada now said that goolsbee didn't say 'pay no attention to obama's statements'

canada said that b/c the US complained canada was interfering in US elections

i suspect goolsbee did say to pay no attention

but that's not my point....

the point that has been raised is:

Obama DENIED that ANY meeting had taken place between Goolsbee and the Canadian folks

only when Canada released written PROOF that said meeting DID INDEED TAKE PLACE, did Obama then say that 'he didn't know about it'

that's the lie

[ThatBozGuy]

34. ..

[FrenchieCat]

35. Is this your night job? Kicking old threads?

Based on the title, I assume?

Sounds like a Hillary supporter. Lacking education but still found his way onto the Internet. :eyes:

[rodeodance]

36. OHIO Unions on feb 28 asked him to deny the reports--he ignorned. and instead

the day before the election called a press conferance and as you say--not deny the reports.

Why not???