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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:08 AM
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Obama's NAFTA SHAFTA... CTV story is TRUE after all.
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 09:31 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMpbpov-HcA

March 03, 2008 7:14 AM

The AP's Nedra Pickler obtained a Canadian government memo written after the senior economic adviser to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, met with members of the Canadian consulate -- a memo that seems to back up the Canadian Television story and ABC News follow-up reports indicating that Obama's campaign sent signals to our neighbors to the North that his anti-NAFTA rhetoric should not be taken seriously.

Obama adviser Austan Goolsbee's comments were summed up by Canadian consulate staffer Joseph DeMora this way: "Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign. He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans."

Goolsbee disputed the characterization, telling the AP, "this thing about `it's more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans,' that's this guy's language. He's not quoting me....I certainly did not use that phrase in any way."

The Obama campaign over the weekend falsely claimed the CTV story had been "retracted." It has not.

And in fact, the story seems today more alive than ever. That is, if the press does its job.

If.


more from AP:


SAN ANTONIO, Texas (AP) — Barack Obama's senior economic policy adviser said Sunday that Canadian government officials wrote an inaccurate portrayal of his private discussion on the campaign's trade policy in a memo obtained by The Associated Press.

The memo is the first documentation to emerge publicly out of the meeting between the adviser, Austan Goolsbee, and officials with the Canadian consulate in Chicago, but Goolsbee said it misinterprets what he told them. The memo was written by Joseph DeMora, who works for the consulate and attended the meeting.

Goolsbee disputed a section that read: "Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign. He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans."

"This thing about `it's more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans,' that's this guy's language," Goolsbee said of DeMora. "He's not quoting me.

"I certainly did not use that phrase in any way," Goolsbee said.

The meeting was first reported last week by Canadian television network CTV, which cited unnamed sources as saying that Goolsbee assured the Canadians that Obama's tough talk on the North American Free Trade Agreement is just campaign rhetoric not to be taken seriously. The Obama campaign and the Canadian embassy denied there was any inconsistency between what the candidate was saying publicly and what advisers were saying privately.

NAFTA is widely opposed in economically depressed Ohio, which holds its presidential primary Tuesday and is a key battleground between Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Both candidates said in a debate in Cleveland last week that they would renegotiate the trade agreement between the United States, Canada and Mexico, which is the largest trading partnership in the world, and threaten to pull out if it doesn't include more protections for workers and the environment.

"I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced," Obama said in the debate.

The memo obtained by the AP was widely distributed within the Canadian government. It is more than 1,300 words and covers many topics that DeMora said were discussed in the Feb. 8 "introductory meeting" between himself, Goolsbee and the consul general in Chicago, Georges Rioux.

Goolsbee "was frank in saying that the primary campaign has been necessarily domestically focused, particularly in the Midwest, and that much of the rhetoric that may be perceived to be protectionist is more reflective of political maneuvering than policy," the memo's introduction said. "On NAFTA, Goolsbee suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favour of strengthening/clarifying language on labour mobility and environment and trying to establish these as more `core' principles of the agreement."

Goolsbee said that sentence is true and consistent with Obama's position. But he said other portions of the memo were inaccurate.

He said he has been surprised that such a banal and trivial meeting with a low-level consulate official has created so much controversy and resulted in such an inaccurate depiction. He said he was invited to the consulate to meet the officials and get a tour.

He said the visit lasted about 40 minutes, and perhaps two to three minutes were spent discussing NAFTA. He said the Canadians asked about Obama's position, and he replied about his interest in improving labor and environmental standards, and they raised some concerns that Obama sounds like a protectionist.

He said he responded that Obama is not a protectionist, but that the Illinois senator tries to strike a balance between the economic struggles of working Americans and recognizing that free trade is good for the economy.

"That's a pretty ham-handed description of what I answered," Goolsbee said of memo's account. "A: In no possible way was that a reference to NAFTA. And B: In no possible way was I inferring that he was going to introduce any policies that you should ignore and he had no intention of enacting. Those are both completely crazy."

Tristan Landry, a spokesman for the Canadian embassy in Washington, said DeMora was not available for an interview Sunday. His only comment on the memo was to say that although consulate officials reach out to U.S. campaign officials to seek their views, "Canada does not in any way seek to interfere in U.S. electoral politics."

Canada supports NAFTA and does not want to see it interrupted.

The Canadian memo said that when Rioux "asked whether we could expect to hear more of this as the elections progressed, Goolsbee thought not. In fact, he mentioned that going forward the Obama camp was going to be careful to send the appropriate message without coming off too protectionist.

"As Obama continues to court the economic populist vote, particularly in upcoming contests like Ohio, we are likely to see a continuation of some of the messaging that hasn't played in Canada's favour, but this should continue to be viewed in the context in which it is delivered," DeMora wrote in the closing section.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said Goolsbee's visit was not as an emissary from the campaign, but as a professor from the University of Chicago. He was not authorized to share any messages from the campaign, Burton said.

Burton, who was on the call while Goolsbee described his visit to the AP, said, "It all boils down to a clumsy, inaccurate portrayal of the conversation."

Asked if he agreed with Burton, Goolsbee said he did.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrFPkleRZmbmPtPxHBGNAPSzfUtwD8V5OLP00
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:12 AM
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1. Is there a copy of the exact memo?
I would like to see this. I believe it, but a copy of the memo would confirm why CTV is not backing down on the story.

Left of Cool
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:20 AM
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7. CNN showed the memo this morning! ( a copy i believe) eom
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:24 AM
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9. Thank you
I will zip over there and take a look.

Left of Cool
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:12 AM
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2. This is getting serious. It may end up damaging the good reputation of
Chicago politicians.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:17 AM
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3. Big K&R!
This one will be the breaker..imo.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:53 AM
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16. I love your signature!!!
That's my favorite pic of a young Hillary.

As for the memo, I hope that it gets wide distribution in Ohio!!!!!!
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:31 AM
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27.  Tean Hillary better make an ad pronto and play it in TX and Ohio TODAY
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 10:31 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:18 AM
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4. Wow. That's Definitely A Lot More Substantial. I Had Kind Of Dismissed It As Probably False, But
now I'm leaning towards probably true. If they have a memo like that, and that is in fact what it says, then it would seem highly likely that the story is in fact true, which is definitely a black eye for Obama.

I would consider anyone not giving it some serious thought to think about how similar to rw defenders they'd be as it relates to the DSM, and how they kept declaring that those weren't bush's words but someone else's blah blah blah. Let's not sound just as foolish, ok?

Not saying it's true since I don't know for sure, but I don't think anyone should dismiss it out of hand now, now that this new information has come out.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:19 AM
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5. Of course, you left out this part...
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 09:21 AM by flpoljunkie
"On NAFTA, Goolsbee suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favour of strengthening/clarifying language on labour mobility and environment and trying to establish these as more `core' principles of the agreement."

(This is Hillary Clinton's position, as well.)

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:32 AM
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10. lets take a little look at Obama's Economic Advisor..Goolsbee..
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 09:54 AM by flyarm
( this was posted by someone on DU..sorry i didn't keep the posters name i just saved it in my files..my thanks to the original poster of this info..)i will go back and try to find who posted it to give them the credit for this info..


fly

edit to add: i believe this is who and where i got this information from...

i thank Marie26 for this information..i compiled it together..from some of her posts..

from this thread..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4818819#4819532

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WHY does Obama have U of Chicago economic advisers? Has anyone here read the "Shock Doctrine"? This is EXACTLY what Naomi Klein was talking about. Leaders promise populist, liberal reforms to the masses, while their U of Chicago economic gurus ram through free-market free-trade Friedmanism. I have no doubt that this conversation took place - Klein outlines a pattern in which leader's economists would warn/whisper to multinationals/free trade partners that their campaign rhetoric was just bread & circuses to appease the masses.


Obama's 3 Right-Wing Economists

by fairleft, Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 02:54:42 PM EST

To wake some of you up from your dreams, let's take a look at each of Obama's three chief economic advisors.

Obama's Right-Wing Economist Asshole #1: AUSTAN GOOLSBEE

Here's a start, some narrow right-wing economics from chief Barack Obama economic spokesman Austan Goolsbee, on trade (emphasis added throughout):

Austan Goolsbee (BARACK OBAMA): "I'm a University of Chicago economist and no one is ever going to be more in favor of open markets and free trade than an economist, so you would presume I'd be for anything that has the words 'free trade agreement' in it and all I'll tell you is this: I do believe there's no one more in favor of open markets than me . . ."

Spoken like a true DLC neoliberal 'all economists are Milton Friedmanites' asshole, right? Here's more Goolsbee news by way of ronkseattle, noting first that the top economic spokesman for and senior policy advisor to Obama is the DLC's Senior Economist.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/3/145442/8316

George Will column praising Goolsbee -

"The University (of Chicago's) economics department has been adorned by the likes of Milton Friedman, George Stigler and Gary Becker, each a Nobel laureate, each a conservative by virtue of his inclination to expect more utility from markets than from government interventions therein. ...

"Globalization" means free trade and various deregulations that supposedly put downward pressure on American wages because of imports from low-wage countries. Goolsbee, however, says globalization is responsible for "a small fraction" of today's income disparities. He says that "60 to 70 percent of the economy faces virtually no international competition." America's 18.5 million government employees have little to fear from free trade; so do auto mechanics, dentists and many others.

Goolsbee's rough estimate is that technology -- meaning all that the phrase "information economy" denotes -- accounts for more than 80 percent of the increase in earnings disparities, whereas trade accounts for much less than 20 percent. This is something congressional Democrats need to hear from a Democratic economist as they resist trade agreements with South Korea and such minor economic powers as Peru, Panama and Colombia.

Economics is the only academic discipline that in recent decades has moved in the direction that America and much of the world has moved, to the right. Goolsbee no doubt has lots of dubious ideas -- he is, after all, a Democrat -- about how government can creatively fiddle with the market's allocation of wealth and opportunity. But he seems to be the sort of person -- amiable, empirical and reasonable -- you would want at the elbow of a Democratic president, if such there must be.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine" re: Chicago School of Economics: a must read -
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/2/29/82036/7662


The U of Chicago economics is the focus of the entire book. Friedman taught at the U of Chicago, preaching radical free-market polices, free trade, privitization & the gutting of unions and social programs. (This is known as neoliberalism). His disciples at the U of Chicago became known as the "Chicago Boys" - and they spread around the world, inflicting their policies on one 3rd world country after another. They specialized in creating an economic "shock" to the country (inflation, coups, etc.) in order to weaken the country enough that they had to accept the poison pill of privitization. Once unions were dissolved/tortured, the free trade/free market shock could be administered, and the nation's resources could be privitized & sold to US multinationals.

Friedman actively advised Pinochet, & his economists assisted in the coup & became the economic advisors for the regime. U of Chicago economic advisors assisted genocidal dictators in Indonesia, assisted junta torture in Venezuela, promoted the imprisonment of Bolivian union leaders in order to implement their shock therapy. Klein's point is that Freidmanites don't care about freedom or democracy - in fact they will try to strangle democracy in order to protect corporate interests.

I really, really urge everyone to read this book. It will change the way you see the world. You will never be confused again. Once you see the pattern, it all falls perfectly into place. One of her points is that the "Chicago Boys" will attach themselves to both liberal and conservative regimes - and will often take advantage of leaders who aren't knowledgeable about economic issues by convincing the leader that their way is the ONLY way to run a country. Leaders will preach populism to their people, but will listen to their U of Chicago economic advisors. I'm starting to think that Obama is the neoliberal Manchurian candidate.

You Tube video on the Shock Doctrine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kieyjfZDUIc

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Goolsbee is a Friedman admirer He actually wrote a eulogy for the NY Times upon Friedman's death.

A Charismatic Economist Who Loved to Argue -

"One of Mr. Friedman’s major impacts on economics was in establishing a basic worldview. ... That view now holds sway throughout much of the profession.

When we heard the news at the University of Chicago that he had died, we actually stopped arguing and were quiet for a moment. It was a most extraordinary event for Chicago economists. Each of us seemed to contemplate Mr. Friedman’s legacy for ourselves. After that bit of calm, the argument resumed. It was, perhaps, just what the old man would have wanted."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/17/business/17milton.htm...

From his CV of published articles, he seems to oppose taxes on the wealthy or corporations as a drag on the market.:

"It's Not About the Money: Why Natural Experiments Don't Work on the Rich," in Does Atlas Shrug? The Economic Consequences of Taxing the Rich, J. Slemrod, ed., 2000, 141-158. Russell Sage Foundation and Harvard University Press, Cambridge, MA.

"Taxes, Organizational Form and the Dead Weight Loss of the Corporate Income Tax," Journal of Public Economics, vol. 69, July 1998, 143-152.

"What Happens When You Tax the Rich? Evidence from Executive Compensation," Journal of Political Economy, April 2000, vol. 108(2), 352-378 (concluding that higher taxes on the wealthy results in revenue losses)

"The Impact and Inefficiency of the Coporate Income Tax: Evidence from State Organizational Form Data,"Journal of Public Economics, 88(11), September 2004, 2283-2299.

"Investment Tax Subsidies and the Wages of Capital Goods Workers: To the Workers Go the Spoils?" National Tax Journal, LVI (1, part 2), March 2003, 153-166.

http://faculty.chicagogsb.edu/austan.goolsbee/website/r...

IMO one of the most important questions for Obama, or Clinton, is whether they adhere to Keynsian or Friedmanite economics. It's pretty clear that Obama's top economic advisor is a Friedmanite. What's even more troubling is that all of his top three economic advisors seem to hold free-market positions. http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2008/01/09/obamas-eco... / I'd be curious to see that interview, if anyone has a link.




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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:39 AM
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12. Are you really trying to defend Obama's outright LIE to the American voters?!?
shame on you!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:59 AM
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19. Obama seems to have a problem that way..he outright lied to the Iowa voters as well..
but sheesh..get those blinders on Obama supporters..and only take them off when the repigs beat our brains in with Obama's lies ...

what part of this do the Obama supporters not get yet?????????

When Max Cleland can be smeared and destroyed by these repigs..what makes you think Obama and his lies are going to stand untested by the repigs??????????

ahhh clue..Obama is no war hero...and the guy he will be going up against is..

fly..shaking head here...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:20 AM
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6. CNN showed the document a short while ago..and it is pretty damning..
that Obama's camp wasn't forthcoming with the full truth.

This does not bode well...not with me it doesn't ..not when Obama supporters have beaten the brains in here with anyone who seeks the truth.

I always thought as dems we didn't follow like sheeple..well Obama has proved me wrong..I always believed Dems sought out the truth..again..i have been proven wrong by the Obama supporters.

These stories have been sitting festering..i heard about some, from some top folks in the Edwards camp in Iowa...just sitting in the Hotel bar...so why has no one asked any questions that is supporting this guy?? don't you want to know what he will be hit with by the Repigs?? don't you care about truth?..why does truth scare you Obama supporters so much?? why your messiah may not be so damn perfect..well no one is perfect..not even your Obama..

but you and we damn well better know every pimple on his ass before we make this guy our nominee...

we have seen all of Hillary's pimples..and then some..and those of us who are old enough know that these repigs will spend every damn dollar they can get their hands on trying to destroy our nominee..and if we don't know his pimples on his ass now..we sure will by november..and if not totally by then..we will hear about it for the next 4 years after the election..count on that.

fly
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riskpeace Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:22 AM
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8. I thought this section from the AP article was interesting.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrFPkleRZmbmPtPxHBGNAPSzfUtwD8V5OLP00

Goolsbee "was frank in saying that the primary campaign has been necessarily domestically focused, particularly in the Midwest, and that much of the rhetoric that may be perceived to be protectionist is more reflective of political maneuvering than policy," the memo's introduction said. "On NAFTA, Goolsbee suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favour of strengthening/clarifying language on labour mobility and environment and trying to establish these as more `core' principles of the agreement."

Goolsbee said that sentence is true and consistent with Obama's position. But he said other portions of the memo were inaccurate.

He said he has been surprised that such a banal and trivial meeting with a low-level consulate official has created so much controversy and resulted in such an inaccurate depiction. He said he was invited to the consulate to meet the officials and get a tour.

He said the visit lasted about 40 minutes, and perhaps two to three minutes were spent discussing NAFTA. He said the Canadians asked about Obama's position, and he replied about his interest in improving labor and environmental standards, and they raised some concerns that Obama sounds like a protectionist.


That part about the meeting being 40 minutes but the NAFTA talk only lasting three minutes reminds me of the "16 words" defense. Just because they only spent 2-3 minutes on NAFTA does not mean that NAFTA was not the subject of the meeting.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:34 AM
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11. how I got 2 threads going on this same topic...I have no clue...sorry folks
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:44 AM
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13. We have been saying, Obama is just another politician.
Saying what he needs to say to win an election.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:46 AM
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14. and the Obama peeps here don't care that he LIED to the voters...in the other thread they are trying
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:50 AM
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15. More BS from CTV. They misrepresent a memo, then say Goolsbee disputes their version as inaccurate
When CTV provides actual clarification from Goolsbee, it sound nothing like their version.

"Burton, who was on the call while Goolsbee described his visit to the AP, said, "It all boils down to a clumsy, inaccurate portrayal of the conversation."



It appears CTV got caught distorting an event and they're now trying to distort it even further in damage control.


You started two threads. This is really a desperate attempt to give credibility to a failed RW distortion.



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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:58 AM
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18. it was an accident & you fail by even attempting to defend this outright LIE to the voters by Obama
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:06 AM
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22. Yooo Hooo..CNN has already showed the document..maybe the Obama supporters need a time out?
to get the next set of lies in order????????


yes brought to you by the same guy who lied to voters in Iowa..seems Obama believes in the ..any means nessesary motto...lie to the voters..with what they want to hear...motto...


go to time out Obama supporters..CNN has already exposed the document..and i will tell you ..having lived in Toronto for giant parts of 22 years..i believe in CTV's credibility more than Obama's..

and my husband worked for several media outlets in Toronto...

fly
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:57 AM
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17. Didn't they deny they met with someone at the embassy, not the consulate?
I guess I'm confused and maybe it's a minor point, but I thought the denile on both sides was that a meeting took place with the Canadian embassy, versus the consulate.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 09:59 AM
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20. yes they did deny that they spoke to any Canadian officals about NAFTA
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 10:00 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:05 AM
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21. I have not seen a denial that they met
I haven't found anything that says the Obama campaign denies that someone from their campaign met with a Canadian gov't official. If you have a link or something, that would help. Thanks.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:09 AM
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23. "Obama Adviser Denies CTV's Latest On NAFTA"
"February 29, 2008

The New York Observer managed to track down Austan Goolsbee, the Obama adviser who, according to the latest report on Canada TV, was the one who may have told a Canadian official that Obama's anti-NAFTA stump speech is merely "campaign rhetoric."

And Goolsbee denies it:

“It is a totally inaccurate story,” he said. “I did not call these people and I direct you to the press office.”
Meanwhile, Obama spokesperson Bill Burton also denies this latest round, via email:

This story is not true. There was no one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere, who said or otherwise implied Obama was backing away from his consistent position on trade.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/obama_adviser_denies_ctvs_late.php


Closely followed by....

"Another Version Of The Goolsbee Story From ABC News"

Below we noted that The New York Observer had gotten Austan Goolsbee to deny that he'd had any conversations with any Canadian official about whether Obama's NAFTA stump talk was mere "campaign rhetoric," as Canada TV reported.

“It is a totally inaccurate story,” Goolsbee told The Observer “I did not call these people and I direct you to the press office.”

But ABC News reached Goolsbee, too, and they had a different conversation:

ABC News' Jennifer Parker spoke to Goolsbee, a University of Chicago economics professor, Thursday who would not confirm or deny that he had a conversation with Georges Rioux, the Canadian Consulate General in Chicago. Rioux, in meetings this week in Ottawa, would also neither confirm nor deny any conversation took place. Both men did say that they know each other.
So, according to ABC, neither of those two men would confirm or deny whether they talked. The Obama campaign has a statement out today that doesn't explicitly mention Goolsbee, but said the story is "not true," and added that "no one at any level of our campaign, at any point, anywhere, who said or otherwise implied Obama was backing away from his consistent position on trade."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/another_version_of_the_goolsbe.php
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:17 AM
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25. Sounds like they have some fudging room, but Goolsbee
clearly tried to wiggle out of this. Looks like he went off the reservation, as they say.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:19 AM
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26. What makes you think he
was off the reservation? Why shouldn't the statements of Obama's chief economic advisor be treated as representative of Obama's views on the topic?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:15 AM
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24. On his campaign plane, Obama said: "It wasn't true.".....
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:37 AM
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28. Right, in discussing it with someone from the Embassy
Again, I don't deny that they're trying to wiggle out of this, but technically they didn't meet with anyone from the canadian embassy.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:15 PM
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29. Hillary Rules
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blocker Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:16 PM
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30. Heres the truth : link provided
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