Not only did Hillary not read the NIE, Condiliar Convinced Hil to vote YES on Iraq! The True Story!

[Dems Will Win]

CONCORD MONITOR STAFF: CONDOLEEZA RICE TOLD HILLARY CLINTON THAT "DICK MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN CONFUSED" ABOUT THE WAR AUTHORIZATION BEING FOR WAR INSTEAD OF INSPECTORS

When Hillary couldn't MAKE UP HER MIND about IRAQ, she ended up turning to Condoleeza Rice for guidance! Hillary asked her if the Authorization would be used to put inspectors back in or take us to war as DICK CHENEY was implying. Rice convinced her to vote for the war with these very words: "Yes, that's what it's intended to do. I think Dick might have gotten confused."

And Hillary bought it. About Dick Cheney maybe getting confused about the almighty power she was thinking about giving him!

THEN TO TOP IT ALL OFF SHE DOES NOT EVEN READ THE N.I.E., AS BOB GRAHAM DID, WHICH STATED IN THE FOOTNOTES THAT THERE HAD NOT BEEN WMD IN IRAQ SINCE 1995

Clinton: Rice linked Iraq vote, inspections

Submitted by Monitor Staff on Fri, 2007-12-21 19:47.

Following up on what Ambassador Richard Holbrooke told us earlier this week regarding Hillary Clinton's vote to authorize the use of military force against Iraq, we asked Sen. Clinton today if it was correct that Colin Powell had persuaded her that the resolution could be a vote to avoid war rather than a vote for war.

She replied: "No, it wasn't Colin Powell. it was Condi Rice. Condi Rice told me specifically when I was still weighing all of the evidence, and I had been to the White House one last time -- I think, if I'm not mistaken, it was Oct. 8 -- and I'd had the whole presentation by the CIA and others and I hadn't asked any questions, I had listened. And I went back to my office, and Condi Rice called me and said, You didn't ask any questions, do you have any questions? I said I only have one: Will you use this authorization to put inspectors back in, so that we can find out whether any of this is true, how much WMD he still has or has reconstituted? She said, Yes, that's what it's intended to do. I think Dick might have gotten confused."

Monitor: And you had no reason to doubt her?

Clinton: "I did not. Because -- certainly I didn't rely on the Bush administration. I did a lot of my own due diligence, I talked to a lot of people in my husband's administration, I talked to Tony Blair, I talked to a lot of sources, and I had the same question: Do you think he still has these kinds of capacities? And the rationale made sense to me. When we got there after the first Gulf War, he was much further advanced in his nuclear program and we knew he had used chemical weapons. When we discovered his nuclear program in '91, the inspectors went in and for seven years dismantled everything that they could find. In '98, he threw the inspectors out, which at least to me raised the possibility that they were getting close to something, and therefore he wanted them out. The Americans and the British bombed every site that he prevented the inspectors from going to that we had a record of, but we had no good intelligence as to what was or wasn't there. And the idea behind any concern about Saddam Hussein was rooted in his personality and his governing philosophy. He was a megalomaniac.

"Putting inspectors back in -- which the United Nations voted for, the Security Council was all in favor of -- was a way to really put some checks and balances to find out what he really did have. What we know now is that Bush had no intention of letting the inspections run their course. But the argument of putting inspectors back in, backed up by force -- because Saddam never did anything that didn't have at least the backup threat of force -- was not on its face totally illegitimate. So I was willing to give him the authority to do that, and he misused the authority."

PLEASE RECOMMEND IF YOU THINK NOT READING THE NIE AND BEING DUPED BY RICE WAS A MISTAKE, EVEN THOUGH SHE WON'T ADMIT IT!

[Submariner]

1. Hillary must have been making vote decisions based on her

intended run for the presidency, because it was quite obvious, to me anyway, that Condi, Bush, Cheney, et al, were lying through their teeth about the non-existent threat from Iraq.

[Dems Will Win]

3. Yes, and she knew that. Voting for the war was a political calculation

That's why she didn't bother reading the NIE, not knowing what was in it, after Graham pleaded with her to read it, was her way out, her excuse for voting yes.

An aide did read her a summary of the NIE, but that did not include the footnotes that said there had been no WMDs since 1995...

[bjobotts]

51. She didn't vote "for war". It was AUMF. Rice was National security advisor

She was supposed to be the one who knew behind the scenes. At that point in time everybody believed Rice. It was known to most that the NIE did not have the latest intell. This happened after 9/11 was still ringing in our ears.

BTW...this is a very old story that changes in meaning and perspective the further the country is away from 9/11 and before knowing that we were all lied to by Bush and the press. It was not known at the time that Bush would use the AUMF as a first tactic instead of a last resort.

Seems every month somebody joins with the GOP and the media in their main mission of destroying the Clintons...it's been going on for years and their Number 1 response is always, "She's destroying herself...we aren't". For those who are keeping their eyes and minds open it's as clear as it can be. This is the way she dealt with it and it is not a deal breaker. Next you'll be spouting how McCain's vote was better.
Can't find anything good enough from White water. noquarterusa.net presents alternatives to all the Clinton bashing.

[Dems Will Win]

54. Yes but she herself is saying that Condiliar said that Dick was confused

and she bought Condiliar's BS about Dick and so???

That right there disqualifies her from the Democratic nomination!

[earthlover]

64. Was it 3AM when she was duped?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

52. That means she is weak caving into the GOP

[earthlover]

63. this gave her a form of "plausible deniability" I guess

Wiser souls might question why she didn't, for the good of the country, and with all these lives on the line, bother to read the intelligence estimates available to her....

[Kikosexy2]

47. Oh my! I Gasp!!!...

Again I ask if Obama runs against insane McCain and if Obama loses...who's to blame? Oprah? You? Me? Hope and empty rhetorics?...who's going to get blamed?....

[Dems Will Win]

2. Wow - already on the Greatest page. Thanks!

I finally found a picture of Condoliar that makes her look good.

[MojoMojoMojo]

4. Hillary said she regrets the vote.You believe Obama takes no Lobby or PAC money.

And you are faulting Hillary for being gullible?

[Dems Will Win]

7. She is not gullible, she is a liar. No one could have believed Cheney was thinking inspectors

and might have gotten confused. She voted YES and did not read the NIE and just used RIce as an excuse to the Monitor.

Read it again, maybe in bigger type will help:

I went back to my office, and Condi Rice called me and said, You didn't ask any questions, do you have any questions? I said I only have one: Will you use this authorization to put inspectors back in, so that we can find out whether any of this is true, how much WMD he still has or has reconstituted? She said, Yes, that's what it's intended to do. I think Dick might have gotten confused."

Monitor: And you had no reason to doubt her?

Clinton: "I did not.

[JTFrog]

9. Sure she did.

"If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from," Mrs. Clinton told an audience in Dover, N.H., in a veiled reference to two rivals for the nomination, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina."

[earthlover]

65. Hmmm....we could have afforded a lot of health care with the trillions we spent on Iraq Hill....

Think of the children

[maximusveritas]

5. In the Code Pink video, Hillary says she spoke to people she trusted

Apparently that included Condoleeza Rice.

[Dems Will Win]

8. She also said she asked Bill and he said to vote YES on Iraq

There goes him being an asset again!

[earthlover]

67. But....didn't Bill just say he opposed Iraq War from the START?

Something's fishy here. Maybe there is a word "is" somewhere that we need to find the meaning of.

[pocoloco]

6. I was wrong!!

She is both a liar and also has shit for brains!!

[Dems Will Win]

15. You get 2 Presidents for one!

[JVS]

10. It just keeps getting worse.

[FrenchieCat]

11. Sorry, but I do not want Hillary near the Red Phone.

that is all.

[CoffeeCat]

12. more Hillary Iraq whitewash. Very pathetic.

Every time Hillary opens her mouth to rationalize and explain away, her Iraq war vote, please
remember that she knew exactly that this was a vote for war, and that we would be going
to war--because she damn well knew that this is what the neocons had wanted for years.

Don't believe me? Look at this letter, to then-President Bill Clinton in 1998. The
neocons ask Bill Clinton for war with Iraq. This letter is signed by Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz,
Perle, John Bolton and other assorted neocons. Bill Clinton received and read the letter
and rebuffed the neocon request for war.

Here is a copy of that 1998 letter: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Hillary Clinton damn well knew that the neocons had been shopping around the Iraq war for years.
They asked her husband for the same war. He said no, but then they return with Bush at the helm--
riding a wave of Sept 11 fear and spinning tales of mushroom clouds and WMD.

The neocons have never hidden their agenda! They want global domination and they spell it out on their Web
site for Pete's sake! Iraq first, then Iran...they Syria.

She knew. They all know. Please don't be bamboozled by Hillary's lame excuses. She knew what
the neocons wanted and she gave it to them.

Please, America. Wake the hell up.

[frog92969]

60. That says it all.

And makes any excuse WORTHLESS.
She knew exactly what she was doing, and wouldn't even have had to stand alone against it.

[Sonnenschein]

68. Obama is not any better. Pro-Isreal. Afraid of offending jewish votes.

He has shown that he would say anything to get votes.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. I Read The Last Two Paragraphs And Understand Them Completely.

Not sure why after all these years, so many here still have such trouble comprehending the simple to understand explanation contained in those two paragraphs, and why that isn't anywhere near as melodramatic as the ignorant rhetoric they spew as it relates to her position on the IWR. It just shows how absolutely disingenuous so many are when they reference that vote, and turn her into some evil villain over it. Such ignorant bullshit.

[Voice for Peace]

20. Because it is a serious question of judgement.

There were enough people who voted against it, she knew what she was doing.

[dogman]

14. The same Rice Obama voted to confirm as SOS.

Stating she was qualified while undermining his anti-war stance. How was he duped?

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. She voted against Boxer, Byrd, Kennedy, Levin, Reed, Durbin.............

The U.S. Senate voted 85-13 Wednesday to confirm Condoleezza Rice as secretary of state. Here are the 13 senators who voted against her confirmation:

Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.
Robert Byrd, D-W.Va.
Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.
John Kerry, D-Mass.
Carl Levin, D-Mich.
James Jeffords, I-Vt.
Jack Reed, D-R.I.
Mark Dayton, D-Minn.
Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii
Evan Bayh, D-Ind.
Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J.
Tom Harkin, D-Iowa
Richard Durbin, D-Ill.

The tally, though one-sided at 85-13, was still the largest “no” vote against any secretary of state nominee since 1825.

[dogman]

27. Yes, Obama, the "anti-IWR" candidate voted to confirm Rice.

This damaged his credibility with some, including me.

[dflprincess]

37. Exactly

And anyone who thinks he would have voted against the IWR if he had been in the senate at the time is kidding themselves. He's more Clinton than Wellstone and had his advisors been telling him that a "no" vote would damage his career, you bet he would have voted for it.

[riverwalker]

16. "I didn't ask any questions" ????!!!!!WTF

She didn't ask any fucking questions? The most important vote of her lifetime, on WAR, and "she didn't ask any questions"? :mad:
I am speechless. Damn, I despise this woman.

[Dems Will Win]

18. Then she bought Condiliar's lie: "Dick must have gotten confused"!!!!

[Hepburn]

28. That absolutely stunned me.

How in the hell could anyone buy bullshit like that???

[aquart]

44. Yes, you do. Which is why anything is another justification

To pretend that you wouldn't also find reasons to despise any other woman with the guts to endure a run for the presidency of the United States.

So sell your moral superiority elsewhere. I do not buy it.

[earthlover]

69. Would she ask any questions at 3AM?

[Ichingcarpenter]

17. She also Voted for her Nomination as Sec. of State whereas these Democrats Did not

The U.S. Senate voted 85-13 Wednesday to confirm Condoleezza Rice as secretary of state. Here are the 13 senators who voted against her confirmation:

Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.
Robert Byrd, D-W.Va.
Edward Kennedy, D-Mass.
John Kerry, D-Mass.
Carl Levin, D-Mich.
James Jeffords, I-Vt.
Jack Reed, D-R.I.
Mark Dayton, D-Minn.
Daniel Akaka, D-Hawaii
Evan Bayh, D-Ind.
Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J.
Tom Harkin, D-Iowa
Richard Durbin, D-Ill.

The tally, though one-sided at 85-13, was still the largest “no” vote against any secretary of state nominee since 1825.


I DON'T SEE HILLARY'S NO VOTE ON CONDI DO YOU?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6862922/

[anigbrowl]

24. Why do you hate women so much??

Condoleezza Rice is a woman!!! Just because she had been a dreadful national security adviser is no reason to vote against her being secretary of state. And even though she has fucked up that job too, she should still be given a chance.

[ecstatic]

19. She trusted everyone but herself? nt

[Dems Will Win]

22. She'l be ready on day 2562

[earthlover]

70. But what happens at 3AM?

[anigbrowl]

23. Does Hillary Clinton think we're stupid?

I find it very hard to believe she's this gullible - after all, she goes into detail about all the 'due diligence' she did (though that didn't include reading the NIE, apparently). But I find it easy to believe she thinks voters are this gullible.

Well, if we take her at face value, and she can be so easily duped by the administration, then clearly she's not fit to be in charge of national security.

[tabasco]

42. Of course she thinks we're stupid.

"I didn't have time to get my tax info together."

She is a blatant liar and she is largely correct that many are stupid enough to believe her lies.

[earthlover]

71. yeah....it would take one of her aides a half hour to XEROX her tax returns....

They know how to XEROX I believe....

[ContinentalOp]

25. It's 3AM in the White House...

"hold on, I've got Condi on the other line"

[Dems Will Win]

29. LOL

[Radical Activist]

26. Go Girl Power Sisterhood!

I've read that women in government bring peace.

[Scurrilous]

30. K & R

:kick:

[Dems Will Win]

32. Help me keep this baby kicked. This is Issue #1

[Scurrilous]

33. No problem!

:kick:

[EmilyAnne]

31. K and R

[leveymg]

34. She's either a fool or lying. Why would she vote to give Bush a blank check just on Condi's say-so?

If Hillary is telling the truth, and didn't demand some sort of guarantee such an amendment to the October '02 Iraq Authorization for Use of Force bill, then she's a fool.

In either case, these are not the qualities needed in a Commander-in-Chief.

Worse still, in her Senate speech before the vote, she stated that "there was no question" that Saddam was reconstituting his WMD program. That was patently untrue at the time. The IAEA was loudly stating that there was no evidence that Iraq had started rebuilding its weapons program.

In fact, Hillary wasn't a duped by the Bush White House, she was an advocate for authorizing the invasion of Iraq.

[Dems Will Win]

35. You mean she is a neo-con herself? Then everything makes sense

So when she says whe will get out of Iraq, how can anyone trust her if she IS a neo-con herself?

That is the problem of Hillary for me!

[frog92969]

56. Yes!

That's how I see it too.

[earthlover]

72. Watching Hillary the past week or two, i see little difference between her and the dark side....

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

36. kicked and reccccccccccccced

[AtomicKitten]

38. Kicked and so recommended!!!

[Dems Will Win]

40. Let's get this on the Home Page!

[AtomicKitten]

43. I'd like to get on the front page of every newspaper and on every TV broadcast.

Good work!

[UALRBSofL]

39. Did you vote for Kerry in 04? If so your

not being honest with anyone on GD-P and yet you give Kerry a pass because he is male where as Hillary is female. BTW, Kerry convinced Edwards to vote for the IWR as well. Here's Kerry's way of saying I'm sorry for his IWR vote.

The Path Forward” Georgetown University October 26, 2005

"There is, as Robert Kennedy once said, ‘enough blame to go around,’ and I accept my share of the responsibility. But the mistakes of the past, no matter who made them, are no justification for marching ahead into a future of miscalculations and misjudgments and the loss of American lives with no end in sight".

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=952

[blogslut]

59. Kerry gets a pass because he admitted his mistake

Maybe you remember that little flip-flop business from the last election.

Hey! I just had a revelation!

Hillary is skeered of the flip-flopper meme!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

41. If CON-di had only prevented a "REGULAR" highjacking - which

she freely admits she was warned about - those guys may have never gotten
on the planes to begin with and there would never have been a 9-11.

This point is so grossly underreported. Sure - she didn't know
they'd fly into buildings, we'll give her that one. But she did
absolutely nothing to prevent a highjacking she was warned about.

[Major Hogwash]

45. Another error in judgment - lying about it.

Tsk tsk, poor poor Hillary.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

46. dew diligence. mourning dew.

thanks, senator Clinton, for your service to the nation. Too busy preparing your 30 mil senate campaign, were we?

[ingac70]

48. K&R..

bookmarked too.

[milord]

49. Hey, Hillary, I've got this bridge for sale...

At first I thought it was a joke. When I realized it was being put forth as the truth revealed, I came to the unavoidable conclusion that either Hillary is stupid, or she thinks WE are. Certainly she did not display the perspicacity I would expect and require of a president.
Bye-bye, Hillary.

[frog92969]

58. No, Clinton is VERY inteligent.

Must be that other thing you said.

[Tim Hollis]

50. Hillary is an idiot.

She had not read the legislation and took Condi at her word.
Condi, remember, had ignored 52 warnings of 9/11 and was too
busy shopping and converting caviar into shit to resond to
them. Take these morons on a hunting accident with Dick
Cheney.

[stop the bleeding]

53. The Dog ate my Homework *shrug* nt

[fascisthunter]

55. So Hillary Voted for the War Because She Wanted to "Look" Good

No thanks

[blogslut]

57. It's true

If only she had read it. But no. She was too busy. And now she says she was tricked. It's not her fault. She was duped and she did nothing wrong.

This intelligent, diligent woman had the opportunity to read the full National Intelligence Estimate but she didn't. Instead, she attended a briefing hosted by the very people promoting the war. She said, and I quote:

"I ended up voting for the resolution after carefully reviewing the information and intelligence..."

She failed and she will not admit that she failed. She only wishes that she knew then what she knows now. She tells us that we were all fooled. I guess that makes her a fool too.

[frog92969]

61. K&R

[BearSquirrel2]

62. Hillary had 2 weeks notice that the phone was going to ring ...

Remember that Hillary had two weeks notice that the red phone was going to ring. She didn't take the time to go down to the lockbox where she could read the National Intelligence Estimate.

The thing I liked about Bill was that he read shit like this. As a constitutional scholar, I trust that Obama has the preserverance to charge through stuff like this.

[Choupique]

66. Hillary appropriates Bush lie about inspectors

It is interesting to see Hillary now recycling the myth that "Saddam kicked the inspectors out in '98". There exists abundant documentation that such is not the case; indeed, the historical record is quite clear on this point (see and .) The cause-and-effect relationship between the inspectors getting "kicked out" and the subsequent inference by Hillary that this supposed action "raised the possibility that they were getting close to something, and therefore he wanted them out" is thereby rendered preposterous. It is certainly arguable that Clinton (Bill) initiated the strikes to divert attention from his impeachment proceedings which were concurrent with the Desert Fox airstrikes. At best, according to the WaPo editorial by William Arkin the Desert Fox operation (by the way, a completely illegal, unilateral military operation under the U.N. Charter, as was the entire "no-fly" zone concept, since it was never authorized by the U.N.) served primarily to degrade the air defense and command and control structure: essentially a pre-invasion "prep". The supreme irony of someone claiming to have been duped into authorizing military action in Iraq in '03 who now repeats the same lies that Bush & Co. used to dupe the American people is enough to invoke a sustained, collective Hillary Bark/Cackle...

[EndElectoral]

73. This is Hillary's definition of experience. Trust Condi Rice! Whew......

[lefthandedskyhook]

74. I thought Condi's real name was "Con-da-people Twice"

"Condiliar" is accurate also. Anybody caught trusting that woman is either a dupe, a craven opportunist or both.

[Dems Will Win]

75. kick