Hillary: Is Obama a Muslim, "No, of course not. I take him at his word"

[Yael]

:wtf:

Bi-Baby and Sniffa were blogging about it -- I wanted to give it a new thread as it was in a general 60 minutes thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4850307

I won't even say what I am thinking right now. :grr:

[Cha]

1. I hope this backfires on her

desperate ass.

[tyne]

As a woman, I say

what a conniving bitch.

The party isn't going to be happy about this latest gem.

[OhioChick]

6. Agreed.

:mad:

[Kahuna]

7. Ditto here sister. nt

[writes3000]

18. I don't using THAT word makes it any better.

I don't like her answer at all. I'm disappointed in her. Really disappointed.

But throwing slurs at her doesn't make any of us look better, imo.

[Yael]

30. Its actually a lot nicer than what I am calling her in my mind right about now.

[writes3000]

40. It pisses me off too. Absolutely.

But I'm going to be ABOVE Hillary right now and not use slurs or "wink-wink" innuendos.

Someone needs to encourage her to be better than this.

[Yael]

48. Right now, the only thing I want to encourage her to do is disappear

where I never have to listen to this vile crap ever again.

[bigbrother05]

74. I read the other post and caught yours

Sounded like at the end Hillary is staying in. This is more Hillary Shit, grab the sound bite and how many times will the media show it, More of the same for Hillary, so sad.

[Name removed]

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[anonymeme]

398. God Forbid Anyone Say They Take A Person At His Word OR Put to Rest Bad Rumors About That Individual

God Forbid Anyone Say They Take A Person At His Word OR Put to Rest Bad Rumors About That Individual...

Would you have rather Hillary said either of the following about Obama on the Muslim question:

A. Yes, I think Obama IS a Muslim.

-OR-

B. I can't say anything on that subject -- even anything positive or supportive -- because a mass of people will crucify me no matter what I say.

But Hillary opted to support Obama against the rumors of him being Muslim. She gave support of him through the spoken word.

Of course, how dare Hillary show that she has empathy and fellow feeling for anyone else, by relating it to her own experience with these types of lying attacks.

Why how dare that -- what was it you called her? an "unt" -- have any feelings or relate them to Obama having feelings.

So here are you Obama supporters doing to her exactly what she refused to do to Obama.

YOU are returning BAD for Good.

Are ALL Obama supporters really this morally, ethically and mentally challenged?

[Leopolds Ghost]

403. What's wrong with Obama being a Muslim other than that it is a preposterous slur on Muslims?

and Hillary's Fox and CNN's allegations are merely designed to appeal
to racist "anonymous" fools like yourself who know nothing about Muslims
OR Africans other than "aren't some of them evil Muslim"?

I smell either pizza in your future or coffee, when you are finally
forced to study world history and learn up on your xenophobia.

Seeing as how Obama's mom was an atheist and his dad was a secular expat professional from a small African tribe, whose only connection to Islam
is that they converted when they were colonized by Arabs centuries ago.

And Obama converted to United Church of Christ as an adult activist
working in the black church, after being an uncommitted secular student
brought up by midwestern Kansas relatives all his life?

What about Kenyans who have German names?

After all, Kenya was German East Africa until the Brits won WWI.

What about the allegation that Hillary is a Satanist, anonymeme?

Why won't your candidate speak up about that?

Did you defend Kerry when people like you said he lied about his medals?

[anonymeme]

416. I Was Speaking to a Perception Some People Have About Muslims...

I Was Speaking to a Perception Some People Have About Muslims... Not Mine.

Some people seem to have the perception is that being called a Muslim is a bad thing -- THIS IS NOT MY PERCEPTION.

People who have the perception that being called a Muslim is bad -- and apparently even Obama and his supporters think this is a bad thing -- have been using this to beat up on Hillary, who merely said she took him at his word. If he said he isn't Muslim, he isn't.

I personally don't care either way if he is or isn't, I'm a Dem who believes all people should worship as they so choose.

So please don't go off on me with that "people like you" business.

You don't know me or a thing about me, so how would you know anything about what people I am like.

And for your information and enlightenment, I have fought FOR John Kerry -- AGAINST the Swift-Boat Liars for Lies for years. I've fought FOR John Kerry like a mother bear does for her cubs.

This is the same thing I am doing for Hillary right now against a mountain of ignorance and malignant claims against her.

But YOU had a complete misinterpretation of my post and took off on that mistaken idea to go verbally wailing on me.

As I said, I'm for everybody worshipping as they want and so is Hillary, but she was asked a specific question as to whether or not she believes Obama is Muslim -- Obama has said he is NOT, so she said she believes he is not, BASED ON HIS WORD.

You knee-jerked so hard on your mistaken idea, I'm surprised you didn't slam yourself in the forehead with your knee and give yourself a concussion.

Soooo... you could probably apologize, but I'm guessing before a knee-jerking fool ever apologizes, there will probably ice skating in very hot places.

[Yael]

29. I for one am beyond pissed about this

She didn't need to go there. She has plenty of scorched earth in her wake -- now she is just pissing people off for the sake of pissing people off.

I hope she goes down in fuckin' flames on Tuesday for this stunt.

4-0 sweep.

[K Gardner]

71. Did you see/hear the whole exchange? Look at the last line from her..

"You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?” Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

“Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that,” she replied.

“You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not…a Muslim. You don't believe that he's…,” Kroft said.

“No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know,” she said.

Bill Richardson and Chris Dodd and whomever else KNOW they are going to have a job to do on Wednesday. They know it. She knows it. Theysignaledd it today. She is nowsignalingg she won't go down without a fight.. "I'm going to win", she says. Right.

[krkaufman]

219. This sort of smear cannot wait for Wednesday.

All Democrats, knowing that Obama is going to be our nominee -- and just because it's right, need to be vocally indignant regarding Clinton's statement.

This sort of obfuscation is what has caused so many Americans to still link Iraq to 9/11 and Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda. It is shameful for a Democrat to be playing this Republican game.

[Voice for Peace]

229. what do you mean, how did they signal

I've missed something

[BearSquirrel2]

388. Either CBS edited non chronologically or you're obfuscating ...

I saw the interview and Hillary suggests first that she takes him at his word.

[pokercat999]

390. She also whined about her being attacked unfairly for

years by the RW. So.....she should have expressed her outrage at the RW machine that would disparage her or Senator Obama and any other pol regardless of party about stuff that is blatantly false. Instead she adds "as far as I know". Horseshit hill. I'm done with you, if you get the nomination I WILL vote republican-straight ticket!

[Cha]

50. hil and bil have been conniving

since they left the white house to get back and it didn't matter that thousands and thousands lay dead and maimed for life..so yeah, I'd say your post rings true.

[sueragingroz]

81. so being a woman "allows" you to use the B word?

Ok...

[Yael]

99. Yes, as a woman -- I back her on this. It certainly does.

[sueragingroz]

139. very very sad indeed.

[sniffa]

157. Again, I'm sorry Hillary is prolonging your grief

:hug:

[catgirl]

392. How about *sshole? Is that better?

Being a Muslim is not a bad thing. And leaving the door open a crack with this
answer is bigoted.

[cap]

296. I just dont like seeing this..

I dont think Hillary should be called a bitch. I dont like her strategy of innuendo and I support Obama but I dont think we need this on the board. I am getting radicalized on women's rights due to these comments.

[Window]

278. Damned right. SNL and Tina Fey said it was okay...remember the chuckle that got.

[LostinVA]

297. No, it doesn't

[Independent-Voter]

300. If the shoe fits. A bitch is a bitch is a bitch.

[ExPatLeftist]

312. What I do not understand...

I am sure I will get flamed for this, but so be it. I am not into the whole PC thing to extremes, though I do try to follow general cultural mores and take responsibility when I do not. Personally I think a lot of this stuff is just looking to get pissed about something, but of course that is my opinion.

I don't get, given that disparaging swears are generally gender-specific, why calling someone that happens to be a female, a "bitch" is equated with sexism by so many people. Fact is, that "bastard", "dick", "asshole" are generally considered masculine, so do you consider these also sexist if referring to a male?

I have never heard anyone complain here, for example, when Bush is referred to as a dickhead. It just seems odd to call a woman a "dickhead", and would sound strange to those reading it as well, I am sure.

In general, I try not to call people names, rather I refer to specific character traits or policies. I have never referred to Hillary Clinton as a "bitch" (but have named specific things that I do not like about her, politically). But for those looking to vent or shock or whatever, the fact is that in the English language, curses about people tend to be gender-based.

I do not see that as sexism, rather as linguistics.

[Hepburn]

231. Agreed. This is out of line and...

....I would call her a bitch, but she is so piss poor at being one, it is an insult to the term.

:grr:

[redqueen]

314. Feel better now, do ya?

:puke:

[Catherine Vincent]

414. "conniving bitch"

!

[cliffordu]

142. Maybe....

She knows it's hopeless for the DNC nod and wants a shot at VP under Mccain...


:rofl:

[Leopolds Ghost]

405. She knows she & the DLC will have more power under a McCain-Lieberman administration

I'm not even joking.

The Clintons twice joined in the effort to swift-boat Kerry to keep the
field clear for '08. They killed Kerry's chances and voted to ensure a
Bush second term "knowing" that he was an undefeatable War President
and Kerry was a "spoiler".

[ZinZen]

246. It will Zidzi, I will bank on it

She may not get out after 3/5 but the longer she stays in the more her and Bill's legacy is going to be tarnished to shit. The Clintons' are not thinking of this right now because their personal ambitions and narcissim rage supreme, but there is going to be blow back big time. IMHO.

[CTyankee]

337. I have been a huge fan of the Clintons back in the day. Now I am feeling

that it would be better if they just left the stage. We will be better off with new blood in the Capital. We need more diversity in our leadership. I used to scoff at the idea of political dynasties. Now I agree that getting in a fresh, new team is critical to our success and the dawning of a new era of progressive politics. I voted for Hillary in my primary but I am now glad that Obama will likely be our candidate.

[gwojtowy]

419. A fine example of the "politics of inclusion!"

Spoken like a true disciple of the "new politics!"

[bicentennial_baby]

2. I'm all like...

:wow:

and

:mad:

[Forkboy]

67. Well we know that. What did you think of the reply though?

:hide:

:evilgrin:

[fenriswolf]

3. i guess what the implied message is

he might be lying he might be a muslim.

[bicentennial_baby]

4. Ding! We have a winnah!

x(

[davidinalameda]

95. amen to that!

[Tropics_Dude83]

8. Dear god, Hillary supporters...How do you justify this??

Hillary supporters...., please, explain this to me?

This woman is striking me right now as WORSE than Richard Nixon and WORSE than Dick Cheney.

[Forkboy]

16. Oh, give 'em a minute for a confab. They'll think of something.

[Hepburn]

235. Oh....

....let's see....ya think the name REZKO is gonna come up. Gawd knows they have used it to justify just about everything else.

:grr:

Fuck this shit....IMO, of course.

[Leopolds Ghost]

406. Rezko is Syrian. Maybe he and Obama go to a secret religious cabal gatherings

Where all the other non-white Chicago immigrants go,

(you know, all those foul, unwashed Irish, Italians and Eastern Europeans)

Where they perform dark satanic rituals.

OK, never mind that many Syrian-Americans and Lebanese-Americans
and even Iraqi-Americans are Christian,

especially in the business community...

Is Rezko REALLY a Syrian Christian? Or is he a closet Muslim?

You know what those brown-skinned Christians are like.

They have funny names and wierd customs. Probably not true Christians.

After all, they're not white.

And everyone knows Jesus was blond and blue-eyed.

[Tropics_Dude83]

19. I am shaking and have steam coming out of my ears.....

I thought I might be able to support her in the GE. Not now. Not ever.

I will support Mr. Ralph Nader if she's the nominee. I can't support JM under any circumstances but neither can I support HRC.

[Diane R]

237. I agree with you. No way could I ever vote for this woman. Never..

[HarveyBrooks]

353. Now you know...

how some of us feel about obama. I might have to sit this one out.

[sniffa]

22. Oh, come on! She's not worse than them.

I take her at her word.

[DireStrike]

308. LOL

DUzy worthy

[creeksneakers2]

190. I didn't hear it all because I was in the kitchen

I heard the part where she said she "took him at his word." I was about to scream. She should have angrily said, "No! Its not true!"

I didn't hear it all though so I've gone back to see the tape. She also called the accusation a "ridiculous smear." She expressed sympathy, but in a kind of "I get it too" kind of way.

She was wrong not to flat out say the rumor isn't true. I'm not as angry as I was by the single "take him at his word" quote but I'm still angry.

I no longer support Hillary. If she won't defend Obama better than that from such a twisted disgusting attack then I no longer see any reason to sympathize with her and defend her.

All the negatives that drove Hillary's numbers down came from her own negative attacks. Nobody discovered any dirt bad enough to get her. She got herself. For $5.4 million in consultant fees she got an attack scheme that did nothing but backfire. If she had just stayed positive and tried to work out her negatives she'd be the nominee by now.

I still think Hillary was a victim of unfair and just plain mean treatment. I just on longer feel she deserves my sympathy.

[Yael]

205. Wow

:wow:

[jgraz]

224. No shit

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[HarveyBrooks]

352. My god you Obama supporters are thin skinned!

Wait till you see what the rebubs throw at him. Might as well get used to saying President McCain.

[blm]

20. Geez - she gets creepier by the minute.

.

[psychopomp]

197. Will the real Hillary please

shut up?

[Leopolds Ghost]

407. GREAT slogan for a bumper sticker.

[JerseygirlCT]

33. Right. Which is a two-fer: untrue, and bigoted in its implications

(that there's something wrong with being Muslim). Nasty, snide, Rovian tactics, playing to people's bigotry and fear.

Damn, I thought we were all better than that!

[ecstatic]

54. Very true. I didn't see the clip (thank goodness) but from the quote

it sounds like she managed to offend both Muslims and Obama supporters in one fell swoop.

[Yael]

35. There we have it

If she can't win, she will destroy his chances.

She might as well have gotten that sentiment engraved on a plate.

The woman is beyond vile.

[DearAbby]

104. She is destroying her own chances

What is wrong with her? I cant imagine why she is burning her bridges in this manner.

She insinuates that being a muslim is bad, by even answering it. She should have said, "You know, in America, Americans are free to worship as they please. And in America, we dont use Religious tests to elect our leaders." The question was uncalled for, and Hillary by answering it gave it credibility.

Seriously what is wrong with her?

[GoneOffShore]

347. Excellent - Exactly what she should have said.

But no, she went elsewhere.

What a surprise! :sarcasm:

[OzarkDem]

46. What part of "No of course not" implied that?

:eyes:

[Tropics_Dude83]

49. I take him at his word n/t

[Yael]

55. You really don't want to be all up in here mixing it up with your lack

of reading comprehension. Not on this one.

It was the "I take him at his word" that was added (i)unnecessarily and (ii) to promote the myth that he is a closeted muslim and lying to the American people about it.

Vile, disgusting, xenophobic, racist -- and quite a few more that I can't go into here.

[OzarkDem]

58. Sorry, you're parsing and taking it waaaaay out of context

but that's no surprise.

Neither are the ad hominem attacks on those who don't support Obama.

[Yael]

70. Unbelievable

Or maybe it isn't.

I stand by the comment about reading comprehension. If you read that response and come away with what you came away with -- there is no need to bother discussing with you why people are pissed.

You don't see because you don't want to see why this is offensive on SO many levels.

[OzarkDem]

82. You're ignoring the first part of her comment

in which she equivocally states that no, she doesn't believe he is.

Who has reading comprehension problems?

[bicentennial_baby]

86. Then why did she need to be pressed on it?

The interviewer obviously didn't get her initial answer either. :shrug:

[Lautremont]

118. Equivocally? I guess so.

[DearAbby]

122. The Question was uncalled for

and Hillary by answering it gave it credibility. We dont use religious tests to elect our leaders. Hillary should have known better to fall for this. she has no excuse. SHE ANSWERED THE FUCKING QUESTION LIKE IT MATTERED. IN THIS COUNTRY IN CASE YOU FORGOT.........PEOPLE ARE FREE TO WORSHIP AS THEY PLEASE. The question was WAY OUT OF LINE...and HILLARY should never have answered it. If she were taking the high road...SHE WOULDNT HAVE.


edit..sorry I am pissed

[sniffa]

151. It was so uncalled for given the context

that some voter from Southern Illinois propagated the rumors.. and then Croft asked Obama about it and Clinton about it.

Shame on Croft.

[Joshua N]

386. What is there to "not believe"?

He is not Muslim and she knows it. It is a terrible response, and not the worst thing she has done in this campaign. Nobody should be called the b word, though. For any reason. IMO.

[Divine Discontent]

251. I am shocked by her word placement, choice of words

and the manner in which she would choose to say those iffy types of words that make it sound like 'welllll he COULD be'... that's not good for the Democratic Party, but neither was Bill Clinton's racial comments in S.C.


Really let down by her... what a sad day for her campaign.

[Cronus Protagonist]

362. Don't waste your time on these people

I'm sure the above statement also has hidden implication that Obama Hussein Obama just might be a redneck.

:sarcasm:

[Leopolds Ghost]

408. Well he does have a rural white mother.

[Deep13]

375. Let me get this straight.

Because she did not phrase her disbelief in the most absolute terms possible, it is some kind of Clinton plot to paint O as Muslim and, therefore, some kind of weirdo. She said she believed him. Should she have brought an engraved plaque. A lot of you O folks are so goddamn paranoid that you see monsters behind every corner.

[Leopolds Ghost]

409. "She said she believed him. What more can you ask for?"

Believed him on what? What do you mean she believed him.

He wasn't making a claim about anything. He doesn't have to. YOU are.

When someone asks you if Obama is black, do you answer

"Of course he is. I take Obama at his word."

When someone asks you if the world is flat, do you answer
"Of course not. I take my physics professor at his word."

Hmm, maybe if you were that old guy on Futurama you would
say you feel the need to support claims that are patently false...

[Deep13]

411. How the hell can she know if he believes in Islam but to accept his word for it?

Islam is not a race.

[BearSquirrel2]

391. Hillary missed an opportunity ....

She should have said "so what if he is". She would have made her self look good while leaving some lingering innuendo.

[Leopolds Ghost]

410. Devious, yet certainly amusing.

Karl Rove might have taken that tack.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Even the interviewer seemed startled by that response. It was really odd.

[bicentennial_baby]

That was my first reaction....ODD

But now that I see I'm not the only one who saw it.... :mad:

[my2sense]

9. That's It - I'm Done

Every single time I give her the benefit of the doubt, she shows her ass. I've lost all respect for her. She knows dayum well he is NOT a MUSLIM. She had an opportunity to show good sportsmanship and class and blew it.

:wtf:

[KAZ]

24. You and me both.

[WillyT]

10. That Would Almost Be Funny, If It Were Not So Pathetically Sad...

Time to stop embarrassing yourself Hill.

:puke:

[TwilightGardener]

11. No need to uncover and distribute any more African-dress photos

and send her surrogates out to emphasize his name and his ancestry--she now TAKES HIM AT HIS WORD!! Oh joy, she believes he might be "innocent" after all! How big of her!

[Forkboy]

12. Lower than a pregnant snake's belly.

[Ichingcarpenter]

38. I'll take you for your word

since its the internet. I hope it is on youtube soon, I'm on the West Coast.
I think she and McCain will get along just fine in Hagee's church.

You can take me on my word on that.

[Yael]

63. Follow the link in the OP to the original thread -- quite a few of us posted the words

as they were being said. I didn't even include all of it.

The interviewer was shocked, but that didn't slow her down. She immediately launched into a diatribe about how she has been unfairly attacked for blablabla years. I was too pissed to type -- K Gardner and others added it.

I can't wait for the YT either.

[Ichingcarpenter]

77. To me the she should have attacked the question itself

that smacked of bigotry and Xenophobia,



but maybe she was tired after her 3:00 AM Saturday night curtain call.

[woolldog]

13. HRC

has serious character problems.

[malik flavors]

14. Expect Tucker to mention this on his show tomorrow. It was a very odd moment.

I mention Tucker simply becasue I feel he's a person that would enjoy covering something like this.

[krkaufman]

225. That's the beauty of HC's comment, from the Republican perspective...

... now they can air video of Hillary questioning Obama's muslim beliefs, rather than having to go back to the Right Wing stock video library. Repeat the video enough, and the people will have doubt seeded in their minds.

Despicable.

[sniffa]

15. That is so fucked up.

Seriously.

I'm waiting to hear the defense of this here. I know some will, but it will only be one of the laughable ones.

K&F'nR for this loathsome display by her on national TV.

[cali]

17. Let's deconstruct before someone pops in to defend this.

On multiple levels this was bad. really bad. Here's why:

Saying she takes him at his word implies that that's all there is to go on. She's called him a liar before and her campaign does that constantly. It throws doubt on him in a very slimy way. She fucking well knows he's not a Muslim, why would she add that she takes him at his word if not to imply the exact opposite.

She has sunk to a real low here. Inexcuable and disgusting. I want to see her campaing smashed on Tuesday.

[Yael]

44. Obama "took her at her word" that she wasn't aware of the flyers in Ohio

and was very gracious about her outburst about it (with bobble head Strickland looking on).

She is just trying to "return the favor", I guess.

That is simply evil incarnate, IMO to set up that meme.

[JackORoses]

214. so does this not qualify as the action of a wounded bear? I think you owe me an apology.

[John Gauger]

220. Agreed.

That raised the possibility that he's lying. What the hell? It's not of matter of his word, it's a matter of fact. He is not nor has he ever been a Muslim.

As an aside, is it just me or is this implication that Obama is a Muslim and lying about it ONE OF THE MOST INANE, CONTRIVED, AND OUTRAGEOUSLY LAUGHABLE propositions I have ever heard? (ZOMG CAPSLOCK!?@!) Has the world gone mad?!?! (That, of course, is a rhetorical question.)

[krkaufman]

228. The "take him at his word" statement implies ...

... that Obama may be a closeted muslim, a Manchurian candidate for jihadists.

[progdonkey]

323. also, she's endorsing the question as a valid one...

The whole question of whether Obama is a Muslim is solely a product of the RW bigots, as it shouldn't matter (at least to any non-bigots) whether he is or isn't a Muslim in the first place.

Answering the question with anything other than, "Ask me a serious question, you stupid Republican shill!" was validating it as a legitimate question.

For example:

"Do you believe Obama is a pedophile and feasts on the flesh of his victims?"

"You know, I don't believe he is. I take him at his word."


That she validated the question at all is proof that her campaign is at the very least happy that "the Muslim question" is out there. Racist, bigoted asses.

I used to be one of the "I don't really care who it is, just so long as there's a 'D' after their name" voters, but now Obama has to win. Not because I believe he's the black JFK or something, to be honest (so shut up with all that "Obama supporters are a cult" BS, Hillary people), but because Hillary just keeps proving she's perfectly happy in the gutter and using Rovian tactics against her opponents, which is exactly what we need to keep as far from the WH as possible.

[jefferson_dem]

21. I am so angry right now!

I could not believe the way she answered that question! The way she spun it around to claim her own victimhood to! Fuck!

That fucking response was a deal-killer for me.

This woman will never get any form of support from me. Ever.

[elizm]

23. That's does it. Now I will say it....BITCH!

I will personally campaign against her if she somehow manages to steal this nomination with her slimey self.

[Tropics_Dude83]

26. I hesitated to say that but I agree 250%

[writes3000]

Can we PLEASE not use that word?

Aren't there other ways to express our frustration without slurs?

[ORDem]

215. OK, how about witch? That answer was outrageous. She just continues

to drive the stake deeper into the heart of the party every time she's opens her yap!

:puke:

[hedgehog]

315. That's unfair to witches! nt

[writes3000]

31. Can we PLEASE not use that word?

Aren't there other ways to express our frustration without slurs?

[elizm]

37. As a woman I will damn well say what I think fits in this case. nt

[Medusa]

295. I'm with you, as a woman, 150%.

I've got a few new words for the Big Dog now too. I can't honestly believe I ever defended either of them in the past. No more.

[jn2375]

79. Keep Hillarys face off my TV before I throw something at it

God damn BITCH

[KAZ]

32. More like "asshole".

[Riverman]

342. I take it on her word that she is not one! Or, a republican in drag, or

a corporate W_ _ _e, (did she stand up for poor working women while on the WalMart Board of Directors - No of course not, so let's LIAR!). I would love to not hear Hilary again, but even if she loses Ohio and/or Texas I doubt that she will drop out of the race. I'd bet anything the Clinton Operation Research machine will go into overdrive looking for real or made-up dirt to force him out of the race! The Clintons are about power! That's all. She or he are not champions of the working class as her lying ads are saying today in Ohio. What Bull crap! Please GO AWAY!, but they won't, they will do anything for power.

[blonndee]

25. She is one disgusting individual. (explicit language warning)

I can't wait, I just can't wait. :mad:

Hillary:

[Bread and Circus]

27. It was a very crummy response in my opinion and I was surpised that the one guy..

said he was leaning toward Obama but had problems with him being "muslim", "not swearing-in on a bible", and "being against holding his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance". I have to give him credit that despite believing those falsehoods he was still leaning toward Obama.

The sad thing is that those (??Clinton campain, RNC, John Q RW assholes??) who wish to misinform, mislead, and confuse have done a pretty good job of kicking sand in the eyes of their fellow American. That's really something to be proud of (if you are a Nazi).

Well, I hope in time, the truth will continue to be shown and heard.

[woolldog]

123. lol

good point. He believed all those things and is still leaning towards him. What does that say about his opponent? LOL

[Leopolds Ghost]

412. It says the guy is a concern troll planted by the opposition research team

To sow propaganda and discord in the RW media trumped-up "focus groups" of so-called "undecideds" :hi:

[krkaufman]

232. '60 Minutes' should be ashamed ...

... if they assisted in propagating that misinformation.

[whatchamacallit]

28. What a piece of work she is

and her supporters can't understand why we don't want to kiss her feet...

[Colobo]

34. I wanna see her lose bad on Tuesday. She deserves it.

[ProSense]

36. Beyond the implications about Obama's religion is something totally ironic:

Hillary has accused Obama of plagiarism.

Now: Is Obama a Muslim, "No, of course not. I take him at his word."

Totally disingenuous!

Totally disgusting!

[ecstatic]

59. And she's already complained the words... or at least his words are

meaningless.

[sniffa]

39. ATTENTION: Will one of our resident KO alerters please hit him up with this

Hillary should be on tomorrow night's show, and part of the Worst Persons In The World Segment. :grr:

[Diane R]

239. Maybe she can be worse, worser and worsest? There is also the Tx. caucus instructions matter.

[Politicalboi]

270. well she is going to be

on the Daily Show tomorrow maybe Jon Stewart can ask her what she meant.

[Beaverhausen]

41. Why are they asking Hillary if Obama is a muslim? How would she know what he is

unless he tells people he is or isn't?

[JerseygirlCT]

113. That's the point: he HAS, it's also well known what church

he belongs to, and has belonged to for a very long time. In fact, his UCC is currently getting grief from the IRS for having him speak at their general synod this past June... it's been in the news just in the last few days.

What she said was disingenious - and that's putting the absolute very best spin on it.

[whatchamacallit]

42. This kind of crap convinces me she's in the wrong party

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[harun]

320. She is trying to out repuke the repukes

Same is true with her still being in the race. She is trying to out-bush Bush in stubbornness and not accepting reality but trying to make the reality. The reality is that as much as the media and her campaign have tried to sell her as the INEVITABLE dem nominee the people did not go for it, not this time.

[WolverineDG]

43. One of her most vocal supporters called him a Muslim

in the Spanish-language paper El Manana. They have now changed the story & taken out the comment in the online edition, but screen cap or save this cache, because this is exactly how it appeared online AND in the paper the other day.

To date, Senator Clinton has neither rejected OR denounced State Rep. Richard Raymond, nor has she publically asked him to leave her campaign.

http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:Ia8Fqm0oig8J:www.elmanana.com.mx/notas.asp%3Fid%3D43900+%22y+novato+pol%C3%ADtico+de+origen+musulm%C3%A1n%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

dg

[sniffa]

53. Maybe another thread for this is warranted

:grr:

[WolverineDG]

60. Be my guest

I suck at screen caps. :(

But I'm really outraged at this nonetheless. Her comment tonight was the icing on the cake.

dg

[sniffa]

76. Someone who hasn't reached their 3 thread limit should

Jus' sayin' ;)

[Yael]

78. Go for it, Sniffa

[OzarkDem]

45. You guys are really losing it

Get a grip.

[Name removed]

47. Deleted message

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[still_one]

52. Shouldn't do that. I know this is emotional, but personal attacks won't help us either /nt

[Teaser]

137. Sure they do.

Besides, as personal attacks go, that was pretty concise.

[still_one]

164. Incorrigible is the only thing that comes to mind /nt

[Teaser]

213. I think I resemble that remark

.

[still_one]

302. LOL /nt

[berni_mccoy]

56. Clinton showed how utterly dispicable she is tonight. When asked "You believe Obama is not Muslim"

Clinton's response: "that's what he says."

[OzarkDem]

85. Is that what she said?

Really?

[Cronus Protagonist]

367. The truth doesn't support the outrage, so it needs to be changed

Very Rovian stuff here.

[cali]

57. It says something about you that you find nothing wrong with what

she said. Of course we already know what it said, Ms. "keeps out the riff raff".

[OzarkDem]

73. That she says "No of course not"...?

that she denies the allegation?

I seriously doubt he would be as kind to her.

He's very lucky to have her as an opponent. The GOP won't be so nice.

[krkaufman]

234. You are truly pitiable, pretending she didn't qualify her statement with ...

... "I take him at his word."

[Deep13]

379. It says, "I'm not fooled by paranoid bullshit." nt

[Window]

279. No, we are not losing it...we've lost it...all respect for that hateful woman,

and anyone who wants to step in as an apologist for her.

[JimGinPA]

51. Well, In Her Defense...

No... It's just indefensible. She's a horrible person.

[conservdem]

75. LOL. So true.

[billyoc]

61. Another sound bite for the Senate primary in '12.

Keep 'em coming, Senator... :rofl:

[Barack_America]

62. I take Hillary at her word that she is not Satanic.

Even though I don't have any other proof.

What's wrong with that? :eyes:

[laconicsax]

282. GD:P is wrong with that.

The exchange went like this:

You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?” Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

“Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that,” she replied.

“You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not…a Muslim. You don't believe that he's…,” Kroft said.

“No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know,” she said.

“It's just scurrilous…?” Kroft inquired.

“Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors, that I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time,” Clinton said.

So in this exchange, Clinton said that
-She doesn't believe that Obama is Muslim.
-She takes him at his word.
-There's no reason not to take him at his word.
-As far as she knows, there's no reason to believe that Obama is Muslim.
-The rumor that Obama is Muslim is ridiculous and a smear.

There are two ways to interpret this:
1)Clinton said (and believes) that the 'Obama is Muslim' rumors are false and malicious.
2)Clinton chose her words very carefully to not only make it sound like she thinks the 'Obama is Muslim' rumors are false, but she is also trying to perpetuate the idea that Obama is Muslim and very good at hiding it.

Occam's razor does not apply here in GD:P. It HAS to be the most convoluted and contrived explanation because no other possibility is adequate.

[DireStrike]

311. Reading the actual transcript, it sounds MUCH MUCH BETTER

You should make a separate thread. I hardly have any sympathy for Hill, but this is a bit unfair.

[laconicsax]

345. Watching the full video makes even more of a difference.

As for making a separate thread, I'll leave it to one of Clinton's supporters. I have no desire to so brazenly subject myself to the flaming that would result.

[Barack_America]

316. Unfortunately, it can also be both.

Politicians are not held to act in accordance with their beliefs. I feel that Hillary knows that Barack is Christian and has never be Muslim. The question then becomes, why did she use such noncommittal language to describe this belief?

Why didn't she just say, "this is all ridiculous"?

That noncommittal language is what I think has a lot of Obama supporters upset because, in reality, it does leave the impression that maybe their is a basis for these rumors that just hasn't been discovered yet.

But her reasons are her own, I guess.

[laconicsax]

343. She's a politician

Politicians use non-committal language all the time out of habit. They never want to be caught saying something, on the record, that turns out to be wrong--they need an out. Both Clinton and Obama phrase things out of habit to hedge their bets. Unfortunately, this time, Clinton's use of politician-speak can be used to make the point (albeit a convoluted one) of the OP.

[City Lights]

64. What face number of hers are we on now?

:crazy:

:puke: You've disgraced yourself beyond repair.

Please Hillary. Just go back to NY and let the voters there decide what to do with you.

[DemGa]

65. It's called "confirmation bias" -- you see what you expect to see

This has got to rate the stupidest nothing story ever.

You Obamas are so sensitive you see a bogeyman everywhere! Just silly.

[Yael]

92. No, its called "if I can't have it, no one can"

She is setting up the Manchurian Muslim meme to destroy Obama and the party for 08 since she is going down in flames.

[DemGa]

103. Baseless: also known as "fact" in Obamaland

It's really funny how the Obamas run off in complete certainty -- when absolutely NOTHING occurred.

Just senseless.

[Yael]

119. Straight out of the playbook. If we like it, we claim it. If we don't, "NOTHING occurred"

Got it. :thumbsup:

[DemGa]

124. And sometimes baseless is baseless

This hate Hillary routine is making Obamas look very silly.

[Yael]

140. I don't hate her -- I think she is vile and sneaky, but I don't hate her

I just want her to go away and live out her life, never to be heard from again.

[creeksneakers2]

195. I didn't read it that way

At the end she said she's the victim of those type of rumors too. I took the whole thing to mean she feels she's treated unfairly so why should she care if he is. She still showed a terrible lack of character to look at it that way. I don't see any motive beyond that though.

[Eric J in MN]

274. I voted for Obama, and I don't think Hillary Clinton had sinister motives.

Obama said during the last debate that he took her at word (about her denying spreading the turban photo) and so she was echoing the phrase.

[TexasObserver]

66. I take Hillary at her word that she's not Satan's spawn.

[rosetta627]

91. Nicely said TexasObserver

}( }( }( :evilgrin:

[ecstatic]

68. I wonder if the interviewer was testing her character... because it was a stupid

question. I wonder if he detected something off kilter and wanted to see how low Clinton would go?

[Yael]

90. All she had to do was say, "no of course not" and then shut the hell up

[bigbrother05]

115. were they on the set together

[oviedodem]

69. Taking someone at their "word" means that you have doubts but until

something is known then what they say is the truth.

Hillary you are a true turd and should be no where near the white house. She is a republican in dem clothing and if she is the nominee, there is no difference between her, McCain, and the rest of the RW attack machine. Now I think that all the times she talked about the RW she was just upset b/c she could not get into the club.

[Arkansas Granny]

145. when I take someone at their word it means I believe what they say.

It's kind of like sealing a deal with a handshake. You trust the other person to do what they agreed to.

[creeksneakers2]

210. The phrase is used when there is no other way to arrive at

the truth. Hillary doesn't have to take Obama at his word because the whole smear has been completely investigated and debunked.

[Yossariant]

72. He's likeable enough -- and blowback's a bitch, ain' t it. It's not her job to defend that slime.

Good on ya, Hillary. Let the smarm king know that what goes around..

:evilgrin:

[oviedodem]

80. What she did tonight is to question a fundamental measure of a person

their "word". Obama has been saying for MONTHS that he is not a Muslim and in no way connected. She does not "really" believe him. So a "likeable enough" comment as bad as it was is not comparable to the insinuation that Hillary is doing in addition to pandering to the anti-muslim segment of society.

It is beyond reproach.

[Yossariant]

87. Balls. His mess is his mess. She doesn't have to clean up after him, too.

[journalist3072]

102. Exactly! Why should she cowtow to that graceless asshole Obama....the same one who said that if she

wins the nomination, his supporters won't back her...but her supporters will back him. Newsflash Obama: I am a Clinton supporter and will never cast a vote for you.

[sniffa]

132. Of course you won't

Did you get the book I sent you, by the way?

[apocalypsehow]

196. And yet another class act in the Clinton camp is heard from...

n/t.

[Binka]

221. A Journalist Who Doesn't Know How To Spell Kowtow?

Cowtow now that is farking hilarious. Hillary should try towing some cows, it might improve her campaign.

[intaglio]

267. So you have Finally admitted not being a Democratic party supporter

You are just a Hillary Rodham Clinton appologist

[JerseygirlCT]

120. You know what? Yes it is. Yes it is. It's the job of any right-thinking

person with a few decent morals to speak up in the face of that slime, whoever it's directed at and whenever it's encountered.

That she chooses instead to rely on carefully parsed, suggestive language that leaves the door open for those who wish to foster bigotry speaks volumes about her decency and character.

[WillyT]

83. What Were Her Words Again... "This is a wartime election..."

Yeah... A war you voted for, and apparently continue to support!

And just who is the enemy again Ms. Clinton???

:mad:

[rosetta627]

84. Negating a frame involes the frame

According to George Lakoff.
Hillary seems to know that too.

[JVS]

88. What a swine!

[jn2375]

89. Democratic party needs to end her misery NOW

shes destroying the party

[Scout]

385. wow! Hillary sure is powerful! She can destroy the entire Democratic Party

all by her little old self! Some of the clenis must have rubbed off....


:rofl:

[psychopomp]

93. Hillary Clinton lost me at "spade work"

Most DU'ers were able to shrug off that use of racist code when she uttered it months ago, but I was convinced that it was dirty politics.

What do you think of her "spadework" now?

[Yael]

114. I musta missed that. Was that back during the NH racist-theme'd mode?

[psychopomp]

154. This was back in the beginning of January

She was talking to Matt Lauer on the "Today Show."

Sen. Clinton: When they say to themselves, "Okay. I have a choice between a truly inspirational speaker who has not done the kind of spadework with the sort of, uh, experience that, uhhh, another candidate has --

[Yael]

169. Yikes.

[Bluerthanblue]

94. She claims to know better than anyone what it feels like to be smeared-

and yet, what she seems to have learned is, do whatever you have to to get what you want.


I DO NOT want a leader who is willing to sell themself out.

I SO hope I will not be forced to cast my vote for her kind of politics.

I wish I could ask her woman to woman, how she can live with herself, having become so ruthless, and selfish, - a person willing to employ "any means necessiary" to 'win'- ? Her idealism, one of her most redeeming assets- is completely gone. It isn't about how 'we' can all be better- It is all about what "I" will/can/have do(done). Not a leader- a controler.

:(

She has lost far more than any 'presidency' could ever mean to her-

peace~

[journalist3072]

96. More faux outrage from DU. Get over yourselves.

[chascarrillo]

107. No one's forcing you to stay here, y'know.

[Name removed]

116. Deleted message

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[chascarrillo]

125. Classy!

[Name removed]

133. Deleted message

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[sniffa]

136. Thank you for bending over to serve Obama's pleasure

:patriot:

[Yael]

141. My, that was elegant

[Forkboy]

155. Hey, we should rejoice that at least he can't type in crayon.

[Yael]

170. LOL!

[Window]

283. You're the one who needs to get overy herself. Clinton apologist,

nothing more, nothing less.

What Hillary did was low, and you know this.

I've got your "faux outrage."

[adoraz]

97. my God, does she ever learn?

[MelissaB]

98. Is a video up yet? I'm wondering if it can possibly be as bad as it sounds.

BTW, I'm neutral... will vote for the nominee. Feel obligated to say that before I get pounded. :)

[Demagitator]

100. Obama's father was raised as a Muslim...

that is why Obama has a Muslim name. I am half Jewish because my father is Jewish, and I call myself a half Jew, even though technically I am not a Jew because my mother is not a Jew...but I look Jewish and have a Jewish name, so most people consider me Jewish, even though in reality I am a Jewish Catholic.

I don't see why Obama just does not call himself a half-Muslim. I am not familiar with Muslim culture though, so perhaps they have different customs.

[JerseygirlCT]

138. Because of the bigotry that's being fueled with all this speculation

Because Bush and company have ensured that these days "Muslim" and "Terrorist" are nearly interchangeable. Which is despicable. But so is encouraging it, even in sly ways.

In a place where being Jewish caused people to think you evil, would you be as quick to claim your heritage, especially if it was one that didn't have a great deal to do with your everyday life?

My kids are somewhat in your spot, although I was raised Catholic, and am now an Episcopalian. Like you, they proudly claim their Jewish heritage. But there are few penalties in the circles in which we travel for doing so, you know?

Additionally, while there are certainly some cultural things that can attach to Islam, for the most part, the religion reaches across so many very different cultures - far beyond the Arab culture we might usually associate with it - so it's not quite the same as claiming a cultural heritage. His religion is what he's practiced for a very long time: Christianity.

[Yael]

148. Jewish is both bloodline (race) and religion. Islam is religion with no ties to race.

The Bush cabal has people convinced that arab=muslim=terrorist.

There are Persians, Kenyans -- and a WHOLE LOTTA non-arab muslims out there.

Huge difference.

[Yossariant]

101. Ya might be thinkin' that Obama has too much baggage to win the general election.

And you'd be right.

[Yael]

172. She "trusted Bush" about Iraq and she "trusts Barack" that he isn't a closet muslim

You just run with that.

Me? I will call it a credibility issue on her part.

2 more days and we can rid the primary of the toxins!! :woohoo:

[MoonRiver]

105. SHE SAID SHE BELIEVED HIM.

:wtf: is wrong with you??

[Colobo]

106. "I take him at his word."

Really, Hill?

[chascarrillo]

111. Just words.

[MoonRiver]

150. Only in Hillaryhateland is taking somebody at their word BAD.

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

[sniffa]

168. Hopefully you are able to survive the coming 4 stages of grief

:hug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4848697

[Yael]

175. She took Bush at his word about Iraq. Hows that workin' out these days?

2 more days!! :woohoo:

[creeksneakers2]

198. I was a Hillary defender up to tonight

The way she answered the question didn't contradict the accusation, which she should have done, both for Obama and herself. The accusation is deplorable and she left the possibility that it could be true, just that she doesn't believe it. I didn't agree with almost all the stuff the Hillary haters said but they are right this time. It was an awful thing to say.

[Yael]

209. Yes you were. You and I have argued over this kind of stuff before

Thanks for stepping up that this was not in her best interest.

[chascarrillo]

108. "As far as I know."

[writes3000]

109. "As far as I know"

Which means maybe there's something out there - some truth that Obama is hiding - that poor Hillary might not know about.

Disgusting.

[KAZ]

110. Playing dumb again, are we?

[sniffa]

112. AND WHY DOES SHE NEED TO "BELIEVE" HIM?

It was a shameful answer by her. To defend it is probably an indication of being in the first phase of grief.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4848697

[MoonRiver]

160. She was answering a fucking question, you &^$%#@.

I didn't see the show, but the total meltdown of you Obamabots tells me all i need to know. You people have jumped the shark ten times over. :wow:

[sniffa]

176. Sorry Hillroid

Glad you admitted however, that you are responding to this in complete ignorance. You may be able to leave the denial stage soon. :hug:

[Yael]

177. Well, then you may want to refrain from further comment until you are able to actually see it

[JVS]

117. Suppose that you talk to a co-worker and the next day she misses work.

The night before, she tells you that she's sick.

If asked about the coworker by your boss do you say:

a) I talked to her last night. She's sick.

b) She said she was sick last night.

Doing B is distancing yourself from the statment of your coworker. And that's what Hillary did.

[MoonRiver]

162. WHAT?

Are you reading what you're posting? Neither of those statements is negative. They BOTH SAY THE SAME THING.

[JVS]

167. No. What Hillary used was what is known as indirect discourse when people learn languages

[intaglio]

269. No, they do not say the same thing

[Yael]

134. While insinuating that he is lying and/or hiding something

Tuesday can't come soon enough.

[sueragingroz]

144. these people are losing it

They were baiting her with the question...

If she had said - "No I don't believe that he's a Muslim", she would be slammed for implying that being a Muslim is a bad thing...

It's a "can't win question" and now everyone is using it as their latest excuse to hurl sexist epithets in her direction.

And of course the inevitable freakout begins - folks need to chew on something - so this is the feast of the day I suppose.

[sniffa]

149. I take it you're in denial

I'm sorry she's prolonging your grief. :hug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4848697

[MoonRiver]

163. Absolutely.

Have they become completely unglued? I'm starting to wonder.

[intaglio]

273. Then she should not have fallen for the bait

The right answer is "No, He is not a Muslim," - to which could be added "...and please apologise for that bigoted question" and if she were a principled person then it should be concluded " ...If you do not apologise I will leave the studio,"

To give you an example of how nasty her answer is; Of course sueraginroz is not a Freeper Troll ... and of course I take her at your word.

[KnaveRupe]

384. It's not a "no-win" question.

It's an inappropriate question.

She should have turned it around and attacked the questioner - calling him on bullshit questions. Something along the lines of:


"You know, it offends me that a respected journalist such as yourself is wasting this interview time with the kind of garbage that circulates in anonymous e-mail smear campaigns.

"Barack Obama has repeatedly stated his religious beliefs, they are on the record, and it debases your profession to somehow pretend that this is an actual issue.

"Oh, and for the record, the Constitution is crystal-clear that there shall be no religious test for office. Why do you hate the Constitution?

"This is the most important election of our lifetimes, could we please discuss the actual issues that people CARE about?"


Boom. Question answered. Muslims not offended. Hillary looking good.

Would that have been so hard?

[jefferson_dem]

121. Kos Diary. Lots of anger. Rightly so.

Hillary on 60M: "I take him at his word" that Obama Not a Muslim
by turneresq

Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 04:32:08 PM PST
This is probably gonna get some blowback. The issues of Obama being a Muslim (not that there is anything wrong with that) has repeatedly been roundly debunked. But it is something that is still circulating and is a source of frustration for the Obama Campaign.

turneresq's diary :: ::
There are still whisper campaigns out there (some from the Clinton Campaign.) To be fair, those staffers were let go. But tonight's 60 Minutes will probably generate some chatter.

Tonight on 60 minutes Steve Kroft talks to Hillary and Obama as well as voters. This quote from Clinton is frankly bizarre, and will probably generate negative news for her. Thanks to Hope08 for the link to the transcript.

It happened again last week, when a photo of Obama in ceremonial African tribal dress during a visit to Kenya was featured prominently on the Internet and attributed to people in the Clinton campaign.

Senator Clinton disavowed any knowledge of it.

"You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?" Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

"Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that," she replied.

"You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not...a Muslim. You don't believe that he's...," Kroft said.

"No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know," she said.
Absolutely bizarre to me. This sounds like she has some lingering doubts, but will give Obama the benefit of the doubt as far as these claims. I'm sure we'll have video later, but I think she has some 'splaning to do, especially on the heels of the criticism she took for the campaign's (non?) role in the "Obama in Somail Garb" flap which generated this tacky defense from Stephanie Tubbs Jones:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/2/19235/02786/275/467539

[K Gardner]

128. Thanks for this link.

[Cha]

131. It's a damn shame all those hilary surrogates

had to get tacky to defend the indefensible hilary clinton.

[Kool Kitty]

263. "No. No, there is nothing to base that on.

AS FAR AS I KNOW." That, to me, is the key phrase here. Is she implying that there MAY be something that she isn't aware of, and why did she feel compelled to say that at all? Just seems like she can't help shooting herself in the foot at every turn. Whoever is advising her is an idiot.

And why the hell are they making it such a crime to be a Muslim?

[Bluerthanblue]

126. This is her"experience" talking-

and one of the most important reasons she is not the best choice.IMO

Trust must be earned- and when it is lost, it is difficult to regain.

I don't trust Hillary- I hate saying that- but I don't.

:shrug:

peace~

[Forkboy]

127. And here comes the sockpuppet brigade to defend her.

[sniffa]

135. It's the zombies thank you

They're a key demographic for HRC.

:eyes:

[JVS]

152. They like turtles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

[George_Bonanza]

129. The benevolent Hillary finds Barack Hussein Obama innocent of being a Muslim

[K Gardner]

159. "As far as she knows..." Ah, there's the rub.

[TwilightGardener]

130. That was her Huckabee moment. The dog-whistle.

[slinkerwink]

143. I was quite offended by that.

[bicentennial_baby]

146. YOU!!!

Noelle!!! :wow:

:hug: SO good to see you! Loved your post on Kos about Obama and the deaf community.

:loveya:

[sniffa]

147. Woah!

Where'd you come from? :o

[slinkerwink]

161. Dailykos, man!

[JVS]

153. SLINKERWINK!

Pull up some fried chicken and come to the lounge!

It's great to see you again!

[Guaranteed]

259. LOL OMFG

Oh no...come to beat on us some more, have you?

Where you been since like...2004?

[redqueen]

317. Wow!

:wow:

:hi:

:hug:

[NJSecularist]

156. This will only hurt Hillary if it gets on the news cycle tommorow

And given the lengths the media has stooped to preserve Hillary's candidacy over the past few days, I doubt they will cover this.

[cliffordu]

158. Hillary must be run all the way back to Arkansas!!!

:puke:

[treestar]

165. I dunno, I think that's just lawyerish weasel speak

Hillary doesn't have a duty to investigate here, she's saying she takes him at his word, which could mean she trusts him. She's a lawyer and likely to think in terms where you have to prove everything. "As far as I know" the same thing. You go into court and you hear lawyers all day using a variation of that "It is my understanding that . . ." They are trying to avoid having to be responsible for a fact they do not have absolute proof of.

Overall, her statement takes away from the wrongful idea that Obama is a Muslim, rather than adding to it.

[Brotherjohn]

371. EXACTLY my view. I am a scientist. I also speak that way, without even thinking about it.

I would likely have said the same thing, and meant ONLY to give further evidence that he is NOT a Muslim.

[jefferson_dem]

166. VIDEO LINK - - -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x99904

[sniffa]

173. Thanks for the link

The second Rec for it.

[K Gardner]

179. I swear this doesn't look like exactly what I saw. Wonder if this is edited..

she doesn't exactly say "take him at his word" in this and I thought I heard that. Strange. I guess I was too shocked to absorb it all.

[krkaufman]

280. "I take him on the basis of what he says" is basically the same. n/t

[Yael]

180. Thanks! Going to rec now...

[grantcart]

186. she would have been fine if she stopped

whatever that was I wouldn't have called it presidential

[FlyingSquirrel]

243. Views on YouTube: 404, Views on DU: 1278

:rofl:

[zulchzulu]

171. I thought her answer was nothing surprising at all

She looked like shit anyway.

[Name removed]

174. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[KAZ]

181. One usually needs to go to FR for such wit. That said, the word

that comes to my mind is below the perannium.

[Danger Mouse]

185. Not. Fucking. Cool.

Being an ass doesn't help things any.

[Arugula Latte]

178. She is disgusting. I cannot wait until she goes away.

[Danger Mouse]

182. I take him at his word? Are you fucking KIDDING me?

:banghead: :puke:
Fearmongering and innuendo, is it all that you have left?

[Yael]

183. Hes a closeted muslim out to harm our children at 3am

:shrug:

[Danger Mouse]

188. This is a new low for her. I hope this one bites back on her...

HARD.

[krkaufman]

281. Sadly, tactics like this are far too effective with our fellow Americans.

I hope Tuesday is different.

[K Gardner]

184. "As far as I know..." (Hillary Rodham Clinton 3/2/08)

[Danger Mouse]

189. Let those sick words be her epitaph.

[Outlier]

363. As far as I know:

Obama always covers his heart when he says the pledge of allegiance and always takes his turban, err hat, off when the star spangled banner is played. Obama is not a muslim, has never beaten his wife, nor tasted the flesh of new born babies.

I qualify these statements as those being truthful, based on my limited knowledge of the senator, as far as I know.

[MBS]

187. I saw and heard this during the broadcast, and was furious, too n/t

[stillcool]

191. It might be kind of hard...

for her to say anything different when her campaign workers are busy putting out shit like this:

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

[apocalypsehow]

192. Just when you think they can't plumb the depths any lower when it comes to such tactics,

they do. It was quite despicable.

[question everything]

193. Than don't

It is not up to Hillary to set the record straight about him

[Tatiana]

194. I have not seen the video, so I will have to reserve judgment.

But I'll take you at your word. Honestly, this doesn't surprise me.

I look forward to Clinton's return to the Senate. Hopefully, she will be able to earn our trust and support back. Otherwise, I really think she has damaged herself politically in this race and she may have a democratic challenger when she's up for re-election.

[MelissaB]

200. Video link is above. I don't see what the big deal is...

[Danger Mouse]

201. 'As far as I know...'

pretty damn big deal to me.

[MelissaB]

203. I think it's being blown out of proportion.

Maybe, I'm wrong. I'm just a vote for the nominee gal. My candidates were out long ago.

:shrug:

[Yael]

206. I can't even convince my own mother that Obama isn't lying about not being a muslim

She is hell bent on destroying any chance he has in the General so that she can take on President McCain in 2012.

The Manchurian Muslim (I am not sure -- maybe he lied?) meme is bad enough coming from the right -- but this is our own damn party!

[Canuckistanian]

199. That was mighty white of her

Good to see she doesn't put up with any of those terrible rumours that Obama is a member of the Muslim faith..... oops.

[lastliberalintexas]

202. I feel like I just walked into the Twilight Zone

Wow. As one who cares for neither Obama nor Clinton because they are both far too conservative for me, I must say most of you people have lost your minds. Y'all are outraged over that? Seriously?

There have been moments in this campaign when each has said something which was likely intended to be a compliment but which came out badly, this is one example for Clinton, the "you're likable enough" comment from Obama is one from him. No one is ever going to be perfect and utter everything absolutely correctly during the course of such a long campaign. For you people to parse every single word out of their mouths is just mind boggling.

Seriously, most of you need yo plan a vacation and leave politics at home.

[MelissaB]

204. I agree!

:hi:

[lastliberalintexas]

212. Glad to know I'm not alone!

:)

[Yael]

208. The Manchurian Muslim meme is something I would expect from the knuckle draggers on the right

not from within my own damn party.

[lastliberalintexas]

211. But I personally don't get how you characterize her answer

as furthering the idea that he is Muslim. I could actually see being a little offended that her response seemed to imply that being a Muslim was bad, but I personally don't understand the outrage from the Obama supporters who believe that she insulted him. But I also am not wearing primary blinders, which makes it much easier to see a little more clearly that both our candidates are good but neither is perfect.


And unfortunately now I am going to have a certain earworm going through my head "I can see clearly now, the rain is gone..." x(

[Yael]

216. Not that he is a muslim

but that he is a closeted muslim (a manchurian candidate) that is going to turn the US into an Islamic caliphate (sharia state) after he is elected -- because the muslims promised to destroy us from within.

Sound like a bad conspiracy theory?

Trust me -- its out there. My own mother believes this nonsense and Hillary just gave it a push from the democratic side.

[K Gardner]

218. I just talked to someone who believed this yesterday.. my

mouth hit the floor as it was a close family friend. My daughter mentioned I was doing some volunteer work for Obama and she started seething. "I don't know what he's doing OVER HERE.", she said. "Did you see him in that get-up?"

Of course, she supports Hillary. And I called her tonight, made a silly excuse just to see if she'd say anything about 60M.

"See, Hillary knows he's lying about it. She's just too nice to come out and say it."

This was not a slip of the tongue by Hillary.

[AtThePlaza]

207. Nothing new from the Arkansas Mafia.

[Beacool]

217. Oh, spare me!!!!

So much chest pounding, so much anger, please..........

You people are way too funny in your adoration for this guy. It figures that all this outrage is on this board. I saw the interview and didn't think anything about it one way or another. I thought that they both did fine in their respective interviews.

What's the anger and cursing about?

BTW, where was the outrage when Obama stood by and allowed the Clintons to be called racists and trashed by the media and many others who should have known better?????? I guess that since the accusations were against the Clintons you don't care, but God forbid anyone utters anything that you people don't approve and immediately you want to shoot the offender.

Save your fury for the Republicans, you're going to need it........


:eyes:

[LisaL]

223. Boy do they ever need a grip.

I don't know what Obama supporters are gonna do if he actually gets the nomination, If Hillary's saying " I take him at his word" send them into a tizzy, what's gonna happen when he is actually attacked by the republicans?
It's gonna be a lot worse than "five stages of grief."
Jeez.

[Beacool]

226. The outrage is so ridiculous!!!

I went to several sites and this is the first one I've seen where his supporters are having the vapors over Hillary's comments. Isn't it sooooooo nice to see that it's in a so called Democratic board where Hilary is called a bitch and other choice words? I guess that these same people think that some of us are lemmings and will just vote for their guy if he's the nominee since they are so respectful of our candidate.

It just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.......

:crazy:

[Yael]

238. The Kos flamefest was posted up thread

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/2/19235/02786/275/467539

1057 comments at this time to peruse. She pissed a lot of people off with this one.

[Beacool]

240. DailyKos?

I avoid reading it since it's all about trashing Hillary because she's not left wing enough for them. Therefore, I don't give a flying rat's tail end what they say at that site, nor who gets pissed off over a nothing remark.

Besides, he used the same term "I take her at her word" when she denied that her campaign sent the Kenya pic to Drudge, while at the same time his peeps were pushing the story that indeed her campaign was to blame.

So, cry me a river over this petty nonsense.

[stillcool]

309. how does this make you feel?

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail.The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

[casus belli]

248. It really has more to do with the...

qualification she gave. She started off adamant, "No, no there's no basis for that". That would have been fine to elave it there good answer. But no...

"As far as I know..."

This leaves open the possibility that he might be when she knows damn well he isn't, and she knows full well the repercussions of having lingering doubts over his religion in the minds of the average American.

Really, REALLY bad choice of words. Particularly from someone who has, in the past, called Obama to task for not denouncing or rejecting something strongly enough.

[jgraz]

222. Just wait -- you're all gonna be sorry when Barack rips off his mask to reveal OSAMA BIN LADEN!!

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[dailykoff]

227. Vile, and counterproductive.

This will play to her 29% base but she needs crossover to win and she won't get it from this.

[Voice for Peace]

230. Maybe Hillary just wants Obama to be fully prepared for the GE

so she's trying everything she can think of that they may throw at him.
Maybe this is all part of a master plan to foil the Republicans.

[FlyingSquirrel]

233. Any YouTube on this yet?

I like to see for myself before passing judgment but it doesn't sound good. On the other hand, if the host was the one that brought it up instead of Hillary, then it kinda sounds like she is just answering a really stupid question to the best of her ability (I mean really, how could she be expected to speak for him on what religion he was? All she could say was what she said.) But like I said, I'll wait till I can see the entire exchange first before making any judgment on it personally.

Edit: I looked at the 23-second one above, it's not quite enough - I want to see what led up to the question. (I didn't much like what I saw though).

[Beacool]

241. Of course she was answering a question!!!

She didn't bring it up on her own. This fake outrage is B.S. considering the horrendous things that have been said against hillary and most of these same people kept mum.

[FlyingSquirrel]

242. I still want to see more, I want to know who brought up the subject

Seems fishy to me that they would start the video where they did, unless that was the beginning of the conversation which I doubt because of the way he phrased it: "You don't believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim." I really need to see what led up to that question. Actually I think her answer was perfectly fine upon re-watching the video - however if she was the one who broached the subject in the first place then that would change my opinion no matter how she answered it. So I'm still neutral here.

Edit: Ok now I've watched the full video. I don't have any problem with her response. I notice that they cut off their political video before allowing Hillary to say that she had been smeared so much that she has a lot of empathy for him on that issue.

However, the video clip of Hillary on 60 minutes had itself been cut right before his question so I guess we'll never know whether she brought it up first or not.

[workinclasszero]

236. Well theres the kitchen sink strategy

in all its Rovian glory!

Shit, rethugs like McCain are afraid to smear Obama with the muslim brush, but not our very own Hillary Clinton!

Lowest of the f'in low!

You make me puke Hillary!!:puke:

[milkyway]

244. "Do you think Hillary murdered Vince Foster?" Obama: "No, there is nothing to base that on. As far

as I know.”

__________

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/29/60minutes/main3894659_page4.shtml

“You don't believe that Senator Obama's a Muslim?” Kroft asked Sen. Clinton.

“Of course not. I mean, that, you know, there is no basis for that. I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that,” she replied.

“You said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not…a Muslim. You don't believe that he's…,” Kroft said.

“No. No, there is nothing to base that on. As far as I know,” she said.

__________

Besides the obvious, one interesting point about this is that Hillary replied twice, and in the second reply she threw in a more doubtful, "as far as I know." She was given a chance by Kroft to be more firm in denouncing and rejecting the false rumor than she had been in her first reply. Instead, she did the opposite, leaving to hang in the air, "as far as I know."

Fuck Hillary Clinton. She has earned nothing but scorn during this campaign.

[redqueen]

318. Good analogy... maybe some of those who are confused by the outrage

will understand it, if they read your post.

:thumbsup:

I'm frankly stunned that people are somehow not getting why it was offensive. :wtf:

[Skip Intro]

245. lol - his personal beliefs are his alone

what was she supposed to say, "oh, I'm sure he's not a muslim" ???

[stevietheman]

247. OK. Hillary is not only done... she's charred beyond recognition. n/t

n/t

[casus belli]

249. Her problem here is, she "denounced" when she should have "rejected".

Hillary should know better. She is, after all, the one lecturing people on how words make such a big difference when opposing something.

[FlyingSquirrel]

250. ****** Watch The Full Video ******

Here, people... don't just take a 23-second clip and draw your conclusions from that. Why not watch the whole thing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3897988n

You might end up with the same feeling, but at least you haven't made it based on a 23-second video cut exactly where the person who entitled it "Stokes False Rumors" wanted to cut it.

The part about the Muslim "smears" starts around about 9:32 into the video.

P.S. Here's what she said AFTER the cut:

“It's just scurrilous…?” Kroft inquired.

“Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors, that I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time,” Clinton said.

[laconicsax]

285. You mean to tell me that GD:P is up in arms for no good reason?

Yeah...like that'll ever happen.

[Cronus Protagonist]

368. DING DING DING DING DING DING

Maybe ONE Obama supporter will seek the truth. I'm not holding my breath though. :P

[Skittles]

252. that is ugly n/t

[shiestyelbow]

253. Obama's a Muslim

and I'm an astronaut.

[dschmott]

254. Hey Hillary, he wasn't asking about Bill, an intern and a cigar...

Just to clear up any possible confusion.

[ACanadianLiberal]

255. I am lost

What do you guys want Obama to be, muslim or non-muslim? In any way, she is a bitch. If she says he is a muslim, you guys will surely jump through the roof shouting what a bitch she is; now she says he is not, she also a bitch, a worst kind. So whatever she is a bitch. So next time, her high heels's clicks on the floor will eventually sound evil in your hatred-filled heart.

You Obamba folks really need to see your doctors, Quick!

Anyway, this is a trap, she should have rejected to answer that stupid question. It's really non of her businuss.

[fujiyama]

256. Why the need for qualifiers?

I just don't understand why she can't make a direct statement condemning all the internet rumors, rather than the "I take him at his word" or worse yet "as far as I know".

[casus belli]

257. Exactly, that's my biggest problem with it. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

258. She says the email Muslim smears aren't true "as far as she knows."

:grr:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/clinton-says-ob.html

[oasis]

260. I view it as as subtle slam by Hillary. Negative perceptions will be obstacles

that Obama will have to overcome if he intends to lead this country.

[Baby Snooks]

261. How Rovian

You have to wonder if Karl Rove is running her campaign at this point and her comment only confirmed what everyone already knew - that she was behind the release of that photo and the implication that we would have a radical Muslim as president. How anyone can continue to support her is beyond me. She is really unfit for any public office let alone the office of the president. Who knows what will happen tomorrow. The day before the primary. But no doubt something will.

[ExtraGriz]

262. maybe she got even with him for

'They like you well enough.'

[List left]

265. There is a huge difference between the two

[Eric J in MN]

275. Two phrases for which the outrage is over nothing. NT

NT

[Apollo11]

287. It was "you're likeable enough Hillary"

[List left]

264. This was really low

Our country needs a president who can be a role model, someone who can bring people together, someone who will do what is even when they are down. Unfortunately Hillary has failed. It makes me very sad.


:kick:

[lisainmilo]

266. She is deparate and a dirty politician!

However...this is beyong inexcusable......She is acting the "Rovian" part now, DISPICABLE!

[Politicalboi]

268. It wouldn't surprise me

If she had them ask her that question. I mean she pulls off Bush fake town hall meetings why not 60 minutes. I mean why on earth would they ask her that. That has nothing to do with her. Isn't this election all about Hillary anyway.

[Major Hogwash]

271. Hillary's finished. She has trashed her own legitimacy.

She won't get anyone to believe her ever again.

Her credibility is shot.

And she has been both rejected and demounced!!!

[David Zephyr]

272. Yael, I don't even know how deep my disgust with her comment is yet. It's still registering.

I simply can not believe that it was actually Hillary Clinton I saw making such a snide and reprehensible comment regarding the Muslim smear.

I am still trying to accept that I actually saw what I did.

[AGirl]

276. The interviewer was the one who I would blame, not HIllary.

That's just bullshit. Anyone calls her a bitch is a fucking asshole.

If you saw the whole video, and all you care about was Hillary's reaction, than you don't deserve to be called a progressive. The video was very informative and none of it has to do with your stupid petty attack on Hillary.

[Baby Snooks]

294. Don't ask, don't tell?

The interviewer shouldn't have asked the question and she shouldn't have answered it?

You forget she answered it. And she is accountable for how she answered it. Not the interviewer.

I thought I could hold my nose and vote for her if she became the nominee. Not now. Not ever.

[AGirl]

277. be angry, you 've always thought she was a bitch anyways.

Get angry. See if I care.

[mrbluto]

284. A matter of respect.

I was practically in the "Anyone but Hillary" camp at the beginning of the primary season.

But reading this thread and watching so many people straining and yearning to take offense is nauseating.

This is what really worries me about an Obama presidency - not that he's going to have a tough time, or that he's going to give the re-thug-nicans too much of a honeymoon.

No.

It's the steamroller-like, purposefully agrieved zealots that have to peck at absolutely anything that could conceivably be twisted into a cause for offense.

This behavior fulfills the caricature that Republicans have been trying to pin on the Democratic donkey since time immemorial (or at least as far back as I can recall).

Have a little class - your guy is winning.

I would say "think about preserving the chance of party unity" but I doubt any of the culprits would listen.

Do any of you see how similar your attitude is to that of the worst of the Republican's worst members?

Where unity means former skeptics or people who disagree are expected to just capitulate and denied the dignity of having sincerely disagreed?

No. it's "Any one who disagree was stupid and slimey and evil and wrong!"

You know who you are. You're not doing your guy, nor the party, any favors.

I see an future Obama presidency as OK, not spectacular - embattled from day one, but a welcome relief from Neocon idiocy. Then again Bill Clinton wasn't my favorite guy o begin with either - but it turned out to be not so bad.

I have the same hopes for Obama, but if the party is going to have a bunch of a**hats in it that either purposefully or inadvertently replicate a Democratic version of a media echo chamber I'll only be a visiting member of that party.

She said "Of course not.", "I take him at his word". Of course she has to parse this crap. Just like Obama does on a dozen other things you won't allow yourselves to see.

People aren't perfect. Candidates aren't perfect. Don't let your imaginary perfect be the enemy of the practical good. There's a chance in the future you'll be gald Hillary is a democrat - or you'll wish you hadn't alienated her and the people who support(ed) her. Pick your battles carefully - choose them so you can win the war. The war versus the Radical Right.

There's a saying that "it's better to be lucky than be right", well, leaving aside the question of whether Obama has the best platform, or whether you guys are right to be indignant at how Hillary answered, I'm going to offer you guys a bit of advice:

"Sometimes it's more important to be liked than be victorious."

One of the most insufferable things right after Bush was elected was how smug all the republicans I knew were. You guys are in spring training for the same league.

There are skilled people, committed people in the Democratic party whose help will be of great use once there's a Democratic president. They don't think Obama is the best thing since sliced bread like you all, but they'd work with him. If all the Obama people were like the ones on this board then those people will be packing their bags and quick.

Right now is the point when you say "good riddance", right?

Really?

Are you saying "Love Obama, or leave the party"?

No?

That's what all this sound and fury says to me.

Keep it up and I and a lot of other people aren't gonna let the door hit us on the ass way out.

It's a matter of respect.

[ACanadianLiberal]

304. Thanks, you speak my mind.

Those bunch are really sick. Just like I said earlier, even Hallary's high heels clicks on the floor might sound evil in those hatred-filled hearts.

I was a visitor on this site for fairly long time. In this election season, I was attracted to here because this was seemingly only site in the blogsphere where Edwards people could have a fairly comfortable gathering. Now Edwards has gone, those Obama followers have just poluted this site like never before. Even though I resisted putting a cult cap on them for a while, now I have to say that the word cult might not be the most accurate word, but a damn close one to sum up those people's behaviors.

[mrbluto]

307. Thank you.

Here's a slightly more polished version of that post, you might like the edits.

I minced words even less.

[glowing]

286. I hate to even reply on these stupid threads anymore, but this really takes the cake.

How else would you put it.. He says he's not a muslim, so, I'd say he's not a muslim... I just don't get it anymore.. this is past insanity...

[ForeignSpectator]

288. Come on guys, is that about Hillary saying

she takes Obama's word that he is not muslim and he is not as far as she knows?

Seriously, get a grip guys, all she's doing is planting the seed in people's minds that Obama might be a muslim which I think goes together greatly with that pic of Obama in that African clothing... perfectly legitimate so what's the fuss?

Oh, wrong "playbook"...

This foreign spectator will celebrate on wednesday morning if hillary's campaign went down like a train wreck in flames with lots of explosions on tuesday in both Texas and Ohio and Rhode Island and the fourth state which I now forgot (sorry) !!

[Name removed]

289. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[MelissaB]

290. That's uncalled for.

[fedupinBushcountry]

291. I am not surprised at her reply

She did the same to John Kerry in Oct. '06, when she knew damn well that it was a botched joke and knows how much Kerry respects the troops, but no, she came out sounding even worse then John McCain. Hillary doesn't care about Obama and she didn't care about Kerry she just wanted to push him out of her way for her running. IMO she doesn't care about the people either, Hillary only cares about winning and her ego.

[MethuenProgressive]

301. "Of course not!" was a great reply!

Good for you Hill, for defending Obama!
:thumbsup:

[Strelnikov_]

334. ..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4845786

[sniffa]

292. morning kick

faux outrage and all

[MethuenProgressive]

299. "Of course not!" Yay hillary for sticking up for Obama!

:thumbsup:

[Yael]

328. Reading comprehension: D- "as far as I know" was the catrch phrase

[SoCalDem]

293. Might as well have said.. " he might be, but HE says he's not.. who knows?"

Blow-back usually takes care of shifty things like this..but it makes him have to re-address it..

I almost wish he would read out loud, one of those vile emails, and then ask the audience..

"Who benefits from the dissemination of this trash"?

I seriously doubt that McCain is behind it..

[Yael]

332. Bingo.

First the emails in Iowa, then the picture in Ohio and now this.

Just feeding the RW frenzy in an attempt to destroy any chances that aren't HER chances.

[MethuenProgressive]

298. Hooray for Hillary for saying "Of course not!" to the question!

:thumbsup:

[Yael]

330. Reading comprehension: D- "as far as I know" was the catrch phrase

[Tarc]

303. O-Bot faux outrage makes for a tasty breakfast

:nopity:

[Lerkfish]

305. what I don't understand is why "muslim" is considered a bad thing

do we consider "jew" a bad thing?

"hindu", "buddhist"?


this is completely aside from hillary's comment

[Yael]

326. It isn't about him being a muslim

and I would be thrilled to vote for him if he were.

She is lending credibility to the bullshit line that he is a closet muslim, and potentially lying about it "as far as I know". Feeds right into the nonsense the RW puts out about him being a manchurian candidate who is going to implement a Sharia caliphate once he "is inside".

I expect this shit from the right, but not from within my own fucking party.

[Lerkfish]

338. I would posit that he's not gettting it from within his own party

these are republican bullshit tactics. If they smell like a duck and walk like a duck....

but hey, that's just IMHO.

:)

[Yael]

346. I hear ya.

Thats why I am angry. I expect this from them, not from within.

[Dogmudgeon]

306. And the slap-fight continues

If you are outraged now, you're in for a treat when you feel the tender caresses of the Republican brass knuckles.

--p!

[YOY]

310. That's not an asshole move or anything...

:sarcasm:

[redqueen]

313. Oh... well... how very kind of her.

:wtf:

:nuke:

[shayes51]

319. If Obama folks are upset about this

statement, they should get prepared for a collective nervous breakdown in the GE (if he is the nominee). Get over yourselves.

[Major Hogwash]

324. I would have expected this from the Republicans, but not from a Democrat.

And certainly not one as qualified as Hillary.

[redqueen]

354. Exactly...

I think some people here have frickin 4 year degrees in missing the point.

[Yael]

327. Happy to defend this from the right

Unfortunately, I am wiping it off my shoe from my own party.

You may not see a difference between Hillary and the RW, but I still hold her accountable for being a damn democrat.

[dbmk]

340. So you are saying its ok, because the Republicans will do it too?

[L0oniX]

321. A simple "NO" would have sufficed. n/t

[peace13]

325. My comment to the Hillary worshipers here.

As far as we know Hillary is not a witch worshiping lesbian. No offense to witches or lesbians. At some point you cease respecting the disrespectful. Just saying. Kim Hussein

[elmerdem]

329. the only problem

that I see is that everyone has bought into Bush & Rove's fear mongering. So what if he is a muslim. I would rather have a muslim president than the born again christian asshole that we are finishing up being raped by. Think about it for a minute, is Keith Ellison (muslim) any less of a legislature that Ed Whitfield (dipshit christian from KY)? The simple answer is no. Have you folks now bought into the meme that all muslims are terrorists? The way democrats are responding sure makes it look like we fell for the fear mongering hook, line & sinker. I say it is okay if he is a muslim. He isn't a terrorist! George W. Bush is a terrorist & he isn't a muslim! Freedom of religion, what a wonderful thing it used to be!

Hillary could have handled it better, but so could have all the people in this thread.

[MethuenProgressive]

331. 58 recs? Fifty fucking eight recs? All over this

DUbamas, the lords of fake outrage.

[Yael]

333. One more day

Here's hoping you don't trigger a seizure in anyone reading with that childish blinking cartoon.

[MethuenProgressive]

336. If Obama wins our nom, all the HillaryHaters will go back to FreeRepublic.

I can't wait until we have a nominee so we can have DU back from the hate filled liars.

[Yael]

349. Indeed!

And in one week and a day, it will be all-Obama, all the time vs John McCain as Hillary Clinton returns to her day job.

:woohoo:

[Submariner]

335. Hillary is a closet bigot

She has no place in government, never mind the presidency. What a slimy POS.

[sniffa]

351. She's not a bigot as far as I know

[Lerkfish]

359. LOL! post of the day

:)

[Peanutcat]

339. Now what the fuck is the problem?

I'm not a Hillary fan, but Goddammit, you folks are whining about the nitpickiest little shit I've ever seen.

[meow mix]

344. shes sending more signals to the bigot-vote. uniting us with negative racism instead of positives

its what she does.

[elixir]

341. Don't bother telling us what you're thinking right now. We need to get off this petty parsing and

focus on our candidates.

[cryte9]

348. She has said nothing wrong

[redqueen]

355. Hahahahahahahahaha

[HarveyBrooks]

350. What am I missing?

I know you all hate Senator Clinton but how was she supposed to answer?

[Catherine Vincent]

360. No answer!

[Catherine Vincent]

356. Some of you Obama supporters need to get a hold of yourselves!

Hillary answered correctly. Such fake outrage.

[goodinuf]

358. My outrage

The correctness of Hillary's answer, an opinion you are obviously entitled to.
The reality of my outrage, something you know know nothing about.
I am outraged...

[Name removed]

365. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NancyG]

369. Um. That's my husband that posted for the first time.

I've been here since 2004 and he just joined a month ago so he could join in too.

I do believe it is against DU rules to call out someone with low posts just because of that.

[goodinuf]

381. Your puzzling reply

I joined in January, admittedly not long ago, but well before my current feelings. I found your reply puzzling because I wrote what I thought was a thoughtful and respectful post. My wife explained to me that your "typos" were intentional.

[Catherine Vincent]

415. Well, you're entitled to your fake outrage. nt

[Cronus Protagonist]

364. You're soooo right

It's all bullshit. When it comes to religion or any other kind of self-identification, all one has to go on is someon's word. That's the very bedrock and foundation of any religious claim. I'm sick and tired of the Obamanians leaping onto every syllable to see if B. Hussein O. has been slighted. Now I'm going to do it deliberately in every post.
:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

366. That's a couple of mighty fine-looking people in your sig. n/m

[NancyG]

357. My husband and I were open-mouthed WTF?

I was 2/3 Obama and 1/3 Hillary before that response.

She's lost my support.

(Still will vote Dem in the general election regardless.)

[Yael]

374. It appears you are not alone

And she is only getting warmed up, she says. This is when the "fun begins".

She lost my clothespin with this one. Slandered a good man on his character by suggesting that he may not be telling the truth about his faith? It doesn't get any scummier than that.

And :hi: welcome to your DH -- thanks for posting! Ignore the swipes. Some people are too blinded by their hero/heroine worship to look at what is going on objectively.

[blayne]

361. I thought the same thing when I heard her say that.

[yaelbelle]

370. EXACTLY

what could she have said to please you completely? To please you a little? To simply be acceptable to you? It's funny, When Obama says the same thing, we take him at his word and move on. When Hillary says it, it's all twisted. Who is doing the twisting? Same words, here. Maybe the ear of the listner...

[blayne]

383. Why don't you piss off.

I am voting and caucusing for Hillary tomorrow, but I didn't care for her answer to that question.

[yaelbelle]

404. As I didn't care for yours.

[blayne]

413. I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to pounce on you like that, but your response didn't seem like that of a new person here. If you're really a newbie here then welcome. :hi: I am fairly new myself, and you have to develop a thick skin and sharp tongue to stay above the water around here. Not that my tongue is all that sharp, but my skin sure is getting thick. Mom and I are voting for Hillary tomorrow and caucusing for her after the polls close. Well it's not so much a traditional caucus from what I hear, but we show up and sign our name then sign who we are caucusing for and leave. Hope all goes well, and again welcome. :hi:

[JKaiser]

372. She said Obama is not a muslim.. Why all the outrage? What should she have said?

[Yael]

376. 370 posts, you read the first one and ask "what could she have said" and "what is the problem"?

Don't mind if I don't bother repeating myself or my colleagues for the hundredth time.

As a side note -- if you can't see this for the issue that has been raised, then you may want to go back to the less nuanced threads where critical thinking (and GE strategy) are not issues.

[Deep13]

373. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

What could possibly be wrong with that answer?

[sallyseven]

377. I'll say what I am thinking right now.

It scares me that you are all going to vote. Not a brain among the lot of you. I heard the exchange so tell me why you think she was out of line. Is he a Muslin? No. She said she takes him at his word. Can she prove it? No so she takes his word. Your dreaming up stuff now.

[KamaAina]

378. Never mind about Hillary. Why on Earth would anyone ask her that?!

This has been thoroughly debunked. Why not ask her whether or not the earth is flat? (though for Huckabee, that would be a legitimate question...)

Just another way for the M$M to keep this specious Obama-Muslim meme out there. Like the other day, when the NY Post (I know, but I'm at Mom's in NYC, and Repuke Stepdad gets it) splashed a front-page photo, ostensibly about Hillary -- but, surprise, it (again) featured Obama in the traditional Somali garb!

:grr: :banghead:

[bluestateguy]

380. I actually don't see what Hillary did wrong here

In this case, I think we are being a little hard on her.

There is plenty else to criticize her campaign for, like why didn't she conduct a top to bottom investigation to find out who in her campaign leaked that "Muslim" photo of Obama in Kenya.

[williesgirl]

382. Right out of the Rove playbook. I hope OH and TX cream her tomorrow. I hate her for this. She's

worse than what I've thought all along, which was "bush-lite in a skirt". I'm a feminist who fought hard to make my way in a man's world and succeeded somewhat. She's a stain on all women.

[1620rock]

387. I don't understand all this hate....I fear for us all.

[anonymeme]

417. Me, Too. I Fear This is How Obama Supporters Whip Up UNITY... [NT]

NT

[civildisoBDence]

389. Jeebus knows the truth

and that's all that matters.

http://newsprism.wordpress.com">Newsprism

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

393. Bless her heart.

:rofl:

[Vattel]

394. I'm for Obama,

but damn, listen to the remarks. Reading it isn't adequate. She's about as emphatic as she can be in saying she doesn't believe it. Her tone of voice suggests that she feels that the question is ridiculous. She says "of course not." Maybe she should have lept at the interviewer and strangled him, yelling, "He's not a Muslim!! It's a fairytale!! I swear on the grave of MLK--not on the grave of LBJ--he's not a Muslim. Not that there's anything wrong with being a Muslim, mind you. Malcolm X was a Muslim and I highly recommend his autobiography."

[Mme. Defarge]

395. Obama

took the high road during the last debate when asked if he thought Hillary's campaign was responsible for circulating the photo of him in tribal African dress; instead of taking advantage of an opportunity to express outrage and demand an apology, he genuinely and gallantly said that he took Senator Clinton at her word that she wasn't involved, and that he wanted to get past the issue.

Sadly, and true to form, Hillary not only made a mockery of this gesture in her interview on "60 Minutes" last night, but had the startlingly narcissistic gall to make the situation about her!

This is not the first time during this campaign season that Hillary has reminded me of the great Val Kilmer line as Doc Holladay in "Tombstone" -- "I have not yet begun to defile myself."

[complain jane]

396. So how should she have answered that?

[idovoodoo]

397. What the fuck SHOULD she say, "Well, he might be lying"...??

jeesuz, talk about a goddamn mountain out of a molehill
:grr: :mad: :eyes:

[meow mix]

399. thats what she was hinting at..

was pretty obvious

[idovoodoo]

400. Anybody who thinks that is a complete goddamn idiot.

Sorry. Present company might be exempt. Or not.

[meow mix]

401. shes making a signal to the bigot-vote. of course they are idiots

she wants them as her base

[idovoodoo]

402. You have obviously been dancing way too much.

:eyes:

[ironflange]

418. well i think ive seen everythng now

its clear to me now that if hillary were to scratch her ass on camera plenty of people would see it as a deliberate
and probably racist
insult aimed at obama

this is insane

and i thought this place was a mess in 2004
i would never have believed it could get at least ten time as ugly in 2008

i fear for your partys chances in the fall
i really do
because its obvious that all this hate will stick around for quite a while