Hillary's "foreign policy experience" = 1995 Women's Conference in China

[AtomicKitten]

Jamie Rubin, HRC's foreign policy adviser, was on MSNBC today. When asked to specifically list Hillary's foreign policy credentials, Mr. Rubin responded it was the 1995 Women's Conference in China.

Okay.

[anonymous171]

1. Her "experience" is a myth.

She graduated when she was 25. She counts everything after that as "experience." WTF!?

[AtomicKitten]

14. It is and something that, wait, dare I say it?, hasn't been vetted.

Oh dear. ;)

[woolldog]

49. This 35 years of experience thing

is the biggest fairytale.... ;-)

[AtomicKitten]

53. apparently

:hi:

[backscatter712]

71. Most of that experience after she graduated from college...

was in Arkansas.

Her very first elected position was when she became New York's junior Senator in 2000.

Compare this to Barack Obama, who was elected to Illinois' Senate in 1996, served there until 2004, then becoming U.S. Senator for Illinois.

As far as holding elected office is concerned, Barack Obama's more experienced than Hillary Clinton. And every elected position he's held, he earned, working from nothing, as opposed to riding Bill Clinton's coattails to carpetbag into New York.

Not to mention he got a hell of a lot more right, judgment wise, than Clinton did, like say, his stance on the Iraq War, for example, while Clinton voted for the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman.

[femrap]

37. After Yale? or undergraduate?

Now think....I know it's hard when you don't have BO telling you what to think.

Count.

[cottonseed]

43. Bill just said she'd never been elected to any public office

until her current Senate stint. He was making a case that she was a change agent. The way he delivered it though was pretty funny.

[AZBlue]

2. Oh, there you go again with all that logic and all those facts.

That will get you nowhere in Hillaryland, doncha know?

Hey...how's Bart?

(p.s. K/R)

[TexasObserver]

6. Why do facts hate Hillary?!

[JimGinPA]

8. Facts Are Sexist

:shrug:

[AtomicKitten]

7. Hey!

Bart is hanging in there after 5 weeks of antibiotics and glad now that we have stopped. He's old, he's cranky, he's funky, but he's Bart. Thanks for asking. :)

[AZBlue]

13. "He's old, he's cranky, he's funky"

In 50+ years, you can put an "s" in front of those pronouns and use it to describe me!
;)

Glad to hear he's doing better!!

[babylonsister]

21. Ha! Great post!

:toast: I was considering omitting cranky, but I guess I must be also. 8 years will do that to you!

[AZBlue]

72. Great cranky minds think alike!

;)

[babylonsister]

3. No way. Wasn't he in big dawg's inner circle? He had to have

shared more than that. :wow:

[City Lights]

10. What more is there?

:shrug:

The only other credentials mentioned during that embarrassing conference call were endorsements from military personnel.

I'm still trying to understand how endorsements = experience. :freak:

[AtomicKitten]

12. It had a certain symmetry to it.

Not quite the deer-in-the-headlights moment that an Obama surrogate suffered at the hands of Tweety, but it was pretty breathtaking nonetheless.

[johnnydrama]

4. her argument is baloney

Coming from Richardson, Dodd or Biden i'd say, yah they have more experience than Obama on foreign affairs.

Coming from Clinton it's empty rhetoric. And he's had much better judgment than her.

[AtomicKitten]

15. Bingo.

Like Barack said, if this election was about experience, Biden would have won.

[femrap]

41. And remember dodd and biden voted

for iwr. Remember?

I am embarrassed of the stupidity of american citizens...and yes, that includes you. yes it does!

[jmg257]

5. But she "threaded the needle"! Could have been a REAL crisis if she messed up, ya know!

and her without her "crisis manual"...


:rofl:

[AtomicKitten]

9. I'm glad you caught the interview. ;)

I have been convinced from Day #1 that the anorexic spots in her resume are held together with fluff and amphibian DNA.

[femrap]

42. Ok...Ignored....

keep sucking on the boys....they may or may not protect you...but don't bet on it. you're embarrassing.

[AtomicKitten]

47. And you are a faux feminist; real women aren't afraid of the truth.

Now remember. No peeking. :hi:

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[Warren Stupidity]

17. ok list them.

I think she actually did a lot of travelling. That should count for something. No free miles though.

[Liquorice]

16. Hillary gave a very moving speech

at that conference. Here is a portion of it:

"I believe that, on the eve of a new millennium, it is time to break our silence. It is time for us to say here in Bejing, and the world to hear, that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women’s rights as separate from human rights.

These abuses have continued because, for too long, the history of women has been a history of silence. Even today, there are those who are trying to silence our words.

The voices of this conference and of the women at Huairou must be heard loud and clear:

It is a violation of human rights when babies are denied food, or drowned, or suffocated, or their spines broken, simply because they are born girls.

It is a violation of human rights when woman and girls are sold into the slavery of prostitution.

It is a violation of human rights when women are doused with gasoline, set on fire and burned to death because their marriage dowries are deemed too small.

It is a violation of human rights when individual women are raped in their own communities and when thousands of women are subjected to rape as a tactic or prize of war.

It is a violation of human rights when a leading cause of death worldwide along women ages 14 to 44 is the violence they are subjected to in their own homes.

It is a violation of human rights when women are denied the right to plan their own families, and that includes being forced to have abortions or being sterilized against their will.

If there is one message that echoes forth from this conference, it is that human rights are women’s rights -- and women’s rights are human rights. Let us not forget that among those rights are the right to speak freely -- and the right to be heard."

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/hillaryclintonbeijingspeech.htm

[wileedog]

18. Well thank God she can..

..pick up that phone and give a speech in a moment of crisis.

Oh wait, NO MORE SPEECHES!

[AtomicKitten]

19. "Enough with the speeches. Enough with the big rallies."

:)

[Liquorice]

22. Hillary wasn't running for office

or rallying people for a vote with that speech. She spoke from her heart for many voiceless women all over the world.

[Liquorice]

20. She spoke up for millions of women

who don't have a voice in that speech. I was very proud of her. I would think all democrats would feel that way. I guess not.

[wileedog]

23. It was tongue in cheek

She has spent a lot of time lately denigrating the value of a speech. And yet here we can see why a voice IS important.

[Liquorice]

25. Empty speech of change and hope is what she said has no value.

Giving a voice to women and children who are poor and have no voice is not the same thing.

[wileedog]

27. Really?

What changed as a direct result of her speech?

[Liquorice]

30. It wasn't a speech of change--it was a speech

to give a voice for those who don't have one. That is a major difference.

[wileedog]

44. And the end result was the same.

Just more words.

[kikiek]

38. Honestly you Obama supporters are always good for a laugh! Talk about hollow speeches!

[kikiek]

34. That is a wonderful speech given by a lovely, smart, talented woman. All women should be proud of

her and what she has done, and will do. Thank you for posting that link. Welcome to DU! As you can see there are many morons here. Not sure you're on a democratic message board I'm sure!

[Liquorice]

46. Thank you! I'm incredibly proud of Hillary and feel so

fortunate to be around to witness the first viable female candidate for POTUS! :)

[kikiek]

52. Me too! She is amazing. Makes me very proud to be a woman. No one will ever change that.

Such silly posts it is embarrassing.

[bellasgrams]

55. Her voice is a voice of knowledge, knowledge from experiencing

life in a position that most will never experience, and it hasn't been wasted on her. BO can't hold a candle to her. It's sick to read what self proclaimed democrats say about a former Democratic first lady. You people should be ashamed. Don't even call yourselves democrats. You need to start your own party if you don't respect the former presidents and first ladies that have served the country. The repbs have put them thru hell, while the repbs have had the most corrupt administrations ever and you attack your own.

[AtomicKitten]

26. Offered as "foreign policy experience," it is anorexic.

Her speech was in 1995; women of the world are still suffering.

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[AtomicKitten]

45. Oh dear. Cranky that people are lifting the hood of HRC's alleged "experience?"

I can see how INFORMATION is threatening to you, but that's a symptom of a much more insidious problem you are exhibiting, a closed mind.

[bellasgrams]

56. Atomic, Isn't it your bedtime?

[AtomicKitten]

59. Nice of you to drop by!

:hi:

[bellasgrams]

54. She also spoke out against the mutilation of women in some

countries just to satisfy the man in their life.

[tabatha]

75. Words don't matter.

[FrenchieCat]

24. Didn't she "Tour" the refugee Camps in Kosovo?

:shrug:

The wife of U.S. President Bill Clinton toured the refugee camps of Macedonia on Friday, listening to uprooted Kosovars' tales of a forced exodus from the Serbian province where they once lived.
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9905/14/kosovo.refugees/

[AtomicKitten]

28. Too bad Rwanda wasn't on the itinerary (or radar screen)

Neither is Darfur, apparently.
http://www.blackperspective.net/index.php/repeating-rwanda-hillary-clinton-on-darfur/

:(

[FrenchieCat]

32. Well you know.......that would have been pandering to a vote that doesn't count......

unless you are a superdelegate! :(

[Cha]

29. Jamie Rubin ..isn't he married

to Christiane Amanpour? What happens to these people who are backing clinton?

[AtomicKitten]

31. Yep.

[tabatha]

76. I have in the past greatly admired

both Jamie Rubin and Christiane Amanpour.

[femrap]

33. So 51% of the population of

the world who does most of the work UNPAID gets a piss-ass 'ok' from you???

Beyond that...she knows international leaders...visited them...and maybe even talked with the women of those nations...

But since Women and their power mean so little to you....


Do you remember that conference?? Or were you still in high school and could care less what women were fighting for? Genitalia Mutilation? AIDs and they got it from their husbands? Taliban forcing burqas and not allowed to work outside the home?

Wake up to sisters who are suffering in this world....I HAVE NEVER HEARD BO SAY ONE WORD ABOUT THE BLACK WOMEN SUFFERING IN THIS WORLD. EVER!!!!

I am sick and tired of women standing up for their sister's oppressors.

[FrenchieCat]

35. I think a speech was great!

It just doesn't seem to be something that one would claim qualifies them to be President from "Day one" is all.

[bellasgrams]

58. That was only 1 speech. You should listen to her. You might

just find out you'd admire her. She's always been an advocate for women and children, but she knows foreign policy and economics as well. She knows the worlds leaders already and she could step in to that office today and take over. I don't know of anyone any better than her at this time.

[AtomicKitten]

40. the "okay" was the fact that her surrogate named that as her experience

Carry on with your faux righteous indignation.

You go, girl.

[theboss]

57. You know who else knows all the world leaders? Condi Rice

I'm pretty sure you get a directory of world leaders shortly after taking the oath. I don't see what knowing world leaders means.

[bellasgrams]

60. Condi's only there to take care of Bush. She hasn't done anything

Today I read that she passed Bush a note telling him to shut up he was making a fool of himself, and he read it outloud and laughed. All this in front of foreign deplomats. He suposedly was drunk.

[bellasgrams]

63. Well they forgot to tell Bush when he took office. And I'm sure

BO doesn't know them as well as Hillary.

[theboss]

70. He'll meet them

How well does Hillary know Gordon Brown?
How well does she know Sarkozy?
How well does she know Maliki?
Does she know Olmert?
Hu Jintao?

All of these leaders are relatively new to the world stage. It's no longer 1998 after all.

We know already what Putin thinks of her so I won't even ask.

[BrightKnight]

39. Baking cookies perhaps? Were you even alive during the Clinton administration? -n/t

[AtomicKitten]

48. Her foreign policy adviser on tee-vee today didn't mention baking cookies.

Maybe you should email the campaign.

[FogerRox]

50. Why do we need more of these flame fests ?

Its time to think about congressional races.... to pad the Majorities in the House and Senate, and to kick McCains butt like Goldwater in 64

[AtomicKitten]

51. Um, because this is news, because this is an election, because Obama is being slammed on experience.

And because Hillary Clinton is trying to skate on an inflated resume.

It's relevant. It matters.

'kay?

[FogerRox]

62. Its over, Obama is the front runner, McCain is the front runner.

McCain will lose like Goldwater did in '64

[AtomicKitten]

64. It's not over yet, but I agree with the ultimate outcome.

[FogerRox]

69. THe Donkey takes the prize

:kick:

Donkey

[bellasgrams]

67. BO needs to be slammed. He lies about Hillary. He lied about

himself and his family in his book. He's got a lot in his background that is going to come out in the GE that will not go over well with the people. One is that he used to be an atheist. When did he find Christ? When he decided to run for office?

[AtomicKitten]

68. "Everyone lies in politics, but the Clintons do it with such ease. It's troubling."

* former Clintonite David Geffen.

[Evergreen Emerald]

61. she made an historic speech at this conference that is rated as one of the best 100

American speeches. She was awe inspiring at that conference fighting for women's rights in a world were women are second class citizens in many nations.

Before you belittle that experience, you should educate yourself on what she accomplished.

[AtomicKitten]

65. The point is her foreign policy adviser should know ....

and that's all he could come up with, so I suspect HE knows more than YOU do. What you know is a resume constructed of sparse actual experience and a whole lotta fluff.

[Evergreen Emerald]

66. Well, I suspect you and I know alot about her foreign policy

experience that you are not willing to acknowledge.

[Major Hogwash]

73. Hahahahahahaha! Great signature!

I laughed my ass off at that pic!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

74. LOL!

[iilana X]

77. Hillary's got a lot of experience allright, IMMAGINARY experience.

The media should do a story on the actual experience Clinton has. They keep saying she has more experience. What experience is that? If she has experience why don't we hear about what it is? We just hear the word EXPERIENCE. Well if Clinton thinks words are so cheap, she shouldn't be throwing this word around without backing it up.

If she had any real experience, you would think we'd have heard what it is by now.

Come on Hillary, what have you done for us lately? At all?