I can't believe what I've read today

[Der Blaue Engel]

or who I've read it from. I'm not going to repeat it, it's been repeated enough. But my faith in this place becoming home again after the primaries are over is gone.

People I truly, truly respected and deeply admired have shocked the hell out of me. For what? What?? Because you hate Hillary Clinton as much as the freepers do?? WHY? Why has it come to this?

Jesus, I know this post is incoherent, but I'm in tears reading this site today. I'm going to have to take a time out. :(

(FYI: This has nothing to do with my thread about sexism. That one mostly made me proud of DU. Then I logged on this morning.)

[MonkeyFunk]

1. I know the feeling

Some people I've liked and respected for years have shown themselves to be major-league assholes.

[ronnykmarshall]

62. Which is why I don't post much anymore

and have an ignore list for the first time ever!

[rodeodance]

67. I have notices that. sad. very sad.

[goclark]

112. I know the feeling too ~ I'm supporting Obama and have

been shocked by the vile things that have been said about him and his "cult" supporters.

The last time I checked I voted for Bill Clinton and Kerry and Gore.

I was shocked to learn that I was a cult and many other names that are hurtful.

[BooScout]

2. I find myself visiting here less and less....

It's very disheartening to see this happen.

[liberal N proud]

3. It's not the DU we all knew a few months ago

It has changes drastically

[Zachstar]

Please do take a time out.

And think about what Clinton has done with her desperate tactics.

If they are completely in denial then I suggest you don't come back till 2009. By then DU will go back into some kind of normal mode.

[Name removed]

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[LisaM]

12. Desperate tactics? Her opponent has been given a complete pass

She is the boxer who's been pushed up against the ropes and she's fighting her way out. In some ways, Obama hasn't even been thrown into the ring.

[emilyg]

51. Right. Blame Clinton. Sigh.

[rodeodance]

71. sigh x2

[LostinVA]

135. Damn -- the sub-thread was deleted

Now there's no proof of Debi giving me cyber spanks.

:cry:

[terrya]

4. I hear you. I'm shocked at some of the stuff lately.

I don't know what's gotten into some of the people around here. Just pure, disgusting assholishness just for the sake of being assholes.

I'm sorry.

[LostinVA]

5. Agreed -- it's maddening and makes me quite honestly sad

[femrap]

44. I watched Democracy Now! yesterday

and Jeremy Skahill was on....BO likes Blackwater and has no plans of getting rid of mercenaries.

DUers need to stop being so gullible and thinking that just by 'hoping,' this country is going to improve.

We are facing a financial collapse that is going to be the likes of nothing seen before. His ambition alone cannot deal with this. And don't tell me he hasn't made a deal with The Corporation....he wouldn't be touted on MSM if he hadn't...look what happened to Edwards!

The last continent to rape is Africa...lots of minerals and oil. He'll charm them as well.

[anigbrowl]

6. Absent a link I have no idea what you're talking about.

Not a criticism, just pointing it out. I signed up to the 'don't say anything negative about the other candidate for 24 hours' thread yesterday, so I haven't been keeping up.

[LisaM]

7. It's out of control.

My boyfriend saw a bumper sticker yesterday that called Hillary the "b" word. After Edwards dropped out, I realized that I LIKED Hillary. So I switched my support and suddenly saw a side of DU that I didn't know existed. I don't get it either, but I have seen so many condescending, snarky, mean-spirited, gloating, boastful, and spiteful posts here even today - even today, after the rules have been changed, there's been a lot of debate, there have been some decent posts and apologies from the good Obama supporters - that I can't believe it.

Hillary is tough and has worked hard her whole life. She's been through more than most of us can even imagine. The level of hate directed at her is ridiculous. I guess you have to consider the source. People who have that much hate to direct at others are clearly filled with rage.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

25. It's thrown me for a loop, too. It needs to be discussed, badly.

There are many funny, sharp,intelligent women who post here and it seemed that women had at least some level of parity here.

Sadly, that's not the case, unless one supports Sen. Obama, in the eyes of some of his supporters. However, as Mae West said,"A dame that knows the ropes won't get tied up", so I'm going to hang in and ignore the hate, as much as possible, and, at least here on DU, alert liberally.

Tough morning, I'm headed back to my real life. :-)

[hfojvt]

93. there's always been hate here for the BFEE and the RWNM

as Hillary represents the DLC and the corporate wing of the party, it's kinda natural for it to be transferred to her. She's simply to the right of many people on this board who feel that Obama is to her left and also does not have the track record of betrayal that Hillary and Bill do - IWR, Kyl-Lieberman, bankruptcy bill, NAFTA, telecom deregulation, welfare reform, the Era of Big Government is over, etc., etc., etc., etc.

[stevenleser]

136. And the response to you from the Hillary folk has been....

:crickets:

:spray:

:rofl:

[MoonRiver]

9. Not incoherent at all. You make perfect sense.

And it is very sad indeed. :(

[Shine]

10. In all fairness, I think some things get blown waaaaay out of proportion

that's my perspective, anyway.

[sandnsea]

11. Because She's A LIAR

Good god, that fear mongering terrorism ad is EXACTLY LIKE GEORGE BUSH. It's the shit we've all been bitching about for years. She turns around and does the same crap, over and over and over and over, and her supporters ignore it time and again. It's STUNNING. That's WHY.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. It's an ad touting

her perceived superiority as commander in chief. Those who hate her see it as fear-mongering, but hate makes people see a lot of things all screwy.

[sandnsea]

28. It's Bush fear-mongering, exactly precisely the same

I swear we're at the point where she could shit on your door step and tell you it's pudding and you'd believe her. It's that damn bad. She's got single moms believing she's going to guarantee them health care which is the biggest lie of them all. If she wins, she'll destroy the Democratic Party for another 20 years. It'll take that long to get any credibility back again.

[MonkeyFunk]

35. That's your skewed opinion

It's my firm belief that she's the better candidate, and would make a better President. I don't know why that upsets some people so much. Do you demand 100% adherence to your beliefs from everybody in your day-to-day life?

[sandnsea]

41. When it was Bush doing it

It was EVERYBODY'S opinion.

[Hepburn]

34. Voting for the IWR....

...that shows her ability as C-in-C????

Ummmmmmm....make that a resounding NO...HELL NO!

[MonkeyFunk]

50. It's Bush's war

not Clinton's. And of course, you know that she and Obama have identical voting records on the war since he's joined the Senate.

And yes, I do believe she'd make a better commander-in-chief than Obama would. I know that upsets some people to hear.

[northzax]

94. STOP LYING ABOUT OBAMA

no way he has the same voting record on the war as the evil, warmongering bitch! I hear she eats baby Iraqis for breakfast and personally pulled the lever to drop the first bomb, cackling like mad. why, she wants military strikes in Pakistan!

oh wait, they DO have the same record? and HE wants those strikes, not her? oops.

[emilyg]

53. I'm so tired of this. Wrong person to blame.

[hfojvt]

95. love and devotion can make people see things screwy too

but I have not seen the ad, so you may be right. Hillary certainly has given credence to rightwing spin points in the past though. It may be like Obama's house. Nothing wrong with it, but it's important to avoid even the appearance of impropriety.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

38. Your obsessive blind hatred is stunning.

People like you, who are so 'fixed in place' that they can't accept, or respect, that people can have different opinions and/or perspectives that are just as well thought out, and just as legitimate as their own, have lost any claim on credibility.

There are people here who routinely post with such vitriolic hatred, toward one candidate or the other, that I wonder how they move through their days embracing all that poison within them. I can only imagine they must be a misery for those around them.

[sandnsea]

40. Lies are lies

They do not have a point of view, they are just lies.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

43. They are all lies to you because you can't see past

your compulsive hatred.

[hfojvt]

97. Can you see, that is just what the Republicans said

when we called Bush a liar? So you need to decide, maybe a fellow DUer has a point, or maybe Rush Limbaugh had a point. I'm gonna go with a long-time DUer even though she did say I was full of sh*t on more than one occasion.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

113. LOL ... so now I'm a RePuke and HRC is Bush?

The poster I was addressing spews vile hatred in every single post she writes in reference to HRC.

I'm NOT the one with the problem here. I invite you to find a post where I've attacked ANY of our Dem candidates ... or used clever little names to refer to the supporters of any candidate ... nor have I referred to cults, koolaid or messiahs.

So you go right along with that long-time DU'r ... just let me know when I finally make the grade and my posts will have some validity.

[hfojvt]

126. I already see a post

where you are using the "Hillary hater" meme which seems exactly like the "Bush hater" meme. I did not say that you were a Repuke, nor that Hillary was Bush. I said you were buying a Republican meme. Hillary haters, like Bush haters, have reasons for their hate, and it does not make them completely suspect. A lie does not suddenly become the truth just because the person calling it a lie "hates" the person telling the lie.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

128. When ALL they see are lies and evil intent,

shouldn't that call into question their objectivity ... on BOTH sides?

[hfojvt]

132. nobody has objectivity in my opinion

some are just more open and obvious about their biases. I still think it is necessary to refute the charges rather than just say "well, there you go again."

[snooper2]

13. You fall in to tears over an anyomous Internet posting site?

You should disconnect your computer and go to the park or something :)

[Zachstar]

21. Agreed

[RetroLounge]

27. And she should take your advice?

from an anonymous internet poster?

irony much?

RL

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

29. I admit I teared up when I saw the Ellen vid about the murdered teen.

But, I'm OK with that.

[snooper2]

85. Watching a video of an actual human...

is different than reading text from people writing to one another in an extremly fancy version of WordPad :)

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

86. I also admit to tearing up over some beautifully written posts here.

Whether done on WordPad or not. We have some talented writers here.

[LisaM]

31. Anonymous? A lot of us have been here for years and know each other

I've met many, many DUers and made several good friends - whom I know IN PERSON. Every DUer I've ever met I've liked. It's not anonymous.

[LostinVA]

77. You got it -- I even met my wife on here

[LisaM]

92. That's fantastic! Belated congratulations.

I'm tempted to come over to the LBGT forum for a measure of sanity that doesn't seem to be here, even though I'm not gay. It sounds as if feminism is taken seriously over there.

I got a fantastic t-shirt up in Canada a couple of years ago at a bookstore called "Women In Print". The t-shirt says, "I'll Be Post-Feminist in the Post-Patriarchy".

[LostinVA]

96. OOOO -- I want that shirt!

Hey, GLBT Forum LOVES our straight allies!

We get trolls in there, too, alas, just not as often.

Pacifist Patriot married us -- she's a poster here and a Unitarian minister. We had a big shindig in NJ in September. A few DUers were guests: Lynnesin, LeftyMom, StarbucksAnarchist, et al. Twas fun.

[LisaM]

99. If you EVER come to Seattle let me know and I'll take you out to dinner

I'll see if I can find where to get that shirt. I think I'm going to go change my signature line.

[LostinVA]

101. We'll be there in mid-July!

We are going on a cruise to Alaska with the family. We were talking about maybe staying an extra day so we could meet SeattleGIrl. Plus, Haruka's never been to Seattle.

[LisaM]

103. That's great. Keep me in mind.

I've met SeattleGirl at least once.

[LostinVA]

107. Is she as scary as I've heard

:scared:

hehehehehehe

She was the very first DUer who was welcoming to me in the Lounge. LOVE HER.

[LisaM]

111. She's probably a ~~PALEOFEMINIST~~

No, if she's the same one I met (it may be that there is also a Seattle Girl?) then she's great. That night involved some drinking down at the Market and then back to someone's condo, so......I remember we had two DU nights in a row, and I posted "Ouch!" because they both involved a lot of beer.

[LostinVA]

118. OMG -- SHE ACTUALLY IS!!!!!!!

I'm sure it's the same poster -- she's great! LOve her.

[MoonRiver]

32. And you should disconnect your head from your ass.

The OP was expressing real emotions about people she has known for a long time. And, btw, many of us are not "anonymous" to each other any more.

[Vinca]

14. Both sides are guilty of bad behavior, but once a candidate

is decided we need to reunite for the sake of the country. We cannot allow another Republican administration under any circumstance.

[ronnykmarshall]

68. Good luck with THAT!

[rodeodance]

69. maybe you have been listening to many---uniting may not come about.

[Vinca]

104. Then we'll have President McCain and more war.

I'll be watching the downfall of the United States from Canada because I honestly think this election is our last chance to get our country back. There will be no reason to stick around "just in case" we win in 2012. If we can't get past our petty differences, we probably deserve what we get.

[ChiciB1]

15. I Rarely Post Here Anymore... Not Since John Edwards Anyway!

I do check out his site from time to time, but there are new John Edwards sites now. Been away for a while, but don't think I'll be writing much here anymore. I will be reading the crap though!

I can't believe what has happened. I remember when people warned about how bad it was back in 2004! Wonder if they could have EVEN predicted what this place has become now???

Vicious is a word that comes to mind. Sorry, just MHO!

[damonm]

16. Please see thread 4820457.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

tell me about it. i have to stay away from GDP just so that i dont start

losing all respect for people who seem nice otherwise

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. don't go, my friend....don't give up or in no matter what! and WE NEED YOU

[femrap]

47. Yes...listen to ElsewheresDaughter...

Life isn't a popularity contest. Who cares what this person said? Please don't let these jerks hurt you...truly, they are not worth it.

[Eurobabe]

18. Oh good lord, people need to get a life. DU is NOT the be all end all in the world

Get offline if it is making you ill folks!!

[anamandujano]

59. It used to be the be all end all of Democrat chat boards, now it has

been blown to hell by Obama thugs.

[Forkboy]

64. Whaaaaaaaaaat?

I suppose you're going to tell me there's no Santa next? :cry:

[Eurobabe]

88. There's no EASTER BUNNY either

now quit your belly aching!

[Forkboy]

91. Have you no mercy on a wounded soul?

:)

[Eurobabe]

105. sorry

here's a hug :hug:

You'll be alright. Really.

[JVS]

122. No Leprechauns.

Happy St. Pat's!

[Forkboy]

124. Now on that I got you.

:)

[galadrium]

19. I actually like it

Its one of the few times you get to see fierce, honest debate about our candidates.

[End Of The Road]

36. Except it's not debate

No one is listening to one another any more. It's constant mudslinging and flamebait.

[galadrium]

37. A lot of it isn't but...

It should open up the larger question of which candidate is more consistently supporting our shared values.

[femrap]

56. So let's look at what those 'shared values' are:

1. Haven't we learned that what the MSM is touting is what the EWEs want (Extremely Wealthy Elites). They basically do as the Repugnants want since the Media is 80% owned by 5 ugly, rich, white guys....who like the joke: 'What's the difference between a street walker and my wife? Nothing...they're both women.' MSM is reinforcing the patriarchy and hatred of women...and insecure men love that theme.

2. Separation of Church and State...BO's speech in S. Carolina and a light coming down and an ephinany occurs saying 'I must vote for BO)...creepy? His church's website? I thought DUers liked separation.

3. Corporate Control and Rule of US and world. If Blackwater is acceptable to BO, then I can't think of a Corporation worse to uphold. The Corporation (Daddy) has give BO The Best Marketing Plan Ever...it has developed for him a brilliant plan after it was trended, demographied, group tested, and propagandized. I am aghast at the gullibility of DUers. 'Yes we can.' Change! Hell, change is the only constant is this fucking world. It's so simple minded and people are lapping it up.

4. Dislike of Reagan

5. Pro-Choice....he votes 'present.'

6. Ageism is not good. You, too, will get old someday....well, maybe.

I'm sure others can add to the 'shared values.'

[frogcycle]

42. DUZY!

funniest comment this week

[terrya]

48. In a WWE "Smackdown" sort of way.

[stellanoir]

20. I'm really sorry this has hurt you so.

I didn't comment on the sexism thread because in truth, I had thankfully not enough exposure to the threads that were riddled with it.

Guess I sometimes have a fairly good psychic ignore function or something.

Though some of the acute mean spiritedness on both sides has been really sad.

I just feel everybody is wayyyyyyyy beyond frustrated.

People often say it's so much worse than '04 but we had a nominee so much quicker last time.

Do take a break if you need to.

We all do from time to time.

Hope you feel better soon.

[leftofcool]

22. DU= Not Real Life

Look at it like I do.........people post for my amusement which is obvious otherwise I wouldn't find myself practically falling out of my chair in laughter when I am here. If this had been real life I would have been notified by my government........fade to test pattern

Left of Cool

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

26. How existential.

:eyes: PS, KNOW YOUR ENEMY!!!

[leftofcool]

30. I do

and none live here.

[Eurobabe]

90. It's frightening how many people think this place IS the world.

:eyes:

[bunnies]

23. Im sorry you're upset but...

Starting an OP to insult unnamed Obama supporters probably doesnt help.

[uppityperson]

33. Seems is talking about bashers. Not all bashers are supporters.

venturing into GD-P for a moment then leaving again also since there is not much here worthwhile even reading. It is sad.

[DemGa]

39. You ask why? It comes from the top down

This is a major theme of St. Obama -- that Hilary is "hated." There is no doubt the source.

[Eurobabe]

45. Right, Barack called me at 3am and told me to hate Hillary so I followed his orders

:eyes:

[DemGa]

46. No, BO perpetrated this hate from the start

Sorry, but you are uninformed or in denial.

[Eurobabe]

70. Bullshit. And you are now on my ignore list. Bye!

[DemGa]

75. I understand the truth hurts, but it must be said in this regard.....Bye!

[totodeinhere]

49. Most Obama supporters do hot "hate" Clinton.

It seems that a lot of Clinton supporters assume that just because someone advocates for Obama then they must hate Clinton. But that's just not true. For instance, I respect Senator Clinton and if she somehow got the nomination I would support her in the general. It's just that for a variety of reasons I believe that Obama is best for this country right now. But that doesn't mean at all that I hate Clinton. And that applies to most Obama supporters I suspect.

Of course there will always be a very small hateful minority, and neither side has a monopoly on that. But intense support for your candidate does not mean that you hate the other one.

Remember that this hate Clinton mantra was concocted by the right wing media to try to divide we progressives into two camps and therefore weaken us. But we can't let that happen.

[paulk]

55. on this board it's not a small minority

and I'm not convinced of the same out in the real world either - the conversations I've had in the real world with Obama supporters often mirror the one's I've had in DU - where Hillary Clinton's percieved failings are more often than not the main reason for supporting Obama.

I've been on this board for six years, I've supported HRC since before she announced, and I've never seen anything like the level of vitriol she recieves...

I can sypathize with the OP also regarding posters that I've had some level of respect for over the years - things have been said that will be damn hard to overlook once this is over.

[rodeodance]

78. yes---too much---It will be difficult to overlook the hate (my word). don't know

if possible for a long long time.

[Mass]

106. pauk, I have lost respect for some posters I used to respect because of their attacks on Obama,

There are idiots everywhere.

[MindMatter]

52. Nobody on our side HATES her. Get over that bullshit.

However, there are a great many people who do not support her, do not want another 8 years of the Clinton/Bush family parade, and resent the arrogance that leads a person with negatives over 50% (i.e. not electable under any plausible scenario) to destroy our best opportunity for progressive change since Reagan got elected.

I know some conversations here have been tense and if you received unkind words that sounded like hate, I certainly regret that.

But understand that the Clintons have brought this upon themselves.

[DemGa]

54. 89% approval with Democrats

You are parroting the Obama party line with this "divisiveness" routine. By any comparable measure, EVERY Dem is "divisive"; St. Obama is no exception.

[MadBadger]

57. Yea, I'm gonna have to ask for a link to that approval rating.

[DemGa]

63. Support against McCain

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4814883

Again, Obama using the perception of "Hillary-hate" as a motivating force is a betrayal that many Dems (the base) will not forget.

[MadBadger]

66. That isnt what approval rating means

[DemGa]

72. Just better electability

No doubt this could not be separated from approval.

At any rate, it dispels Obama's message of Hillary's "divisiveness."-- at least where it counts: among Dems.

[MadBadger]

83. Doesnt mean electability either

Obama appeals to more indies and reps, who count just as much.

[democrat_nanny]

89. Yeah up...

Again with the hateful wording in the replies. What is wrong with you (Obama supporters, nothing more) people?

[democrat_nanny]

87. Even the wording is hateful

"But understand that..."

As if Clinton supporters are children who "don't understand." We do understand. We just disagree.

[JVS]

123. OMG you must be joking!

:rofl:

[MindMatter]

127. A serious persecution complex.

[democrat_nanny]

133. No, I'm not

"Understand that..." implies your opponents don't understand something rather than that they just disagree with you.

It's just more of the same thing. Anyone who doesn't agree with Barack Obama just hasn't yet been "enlightened." Hey, why does that sound familiar? Oh yeah, I think I heard it on Day Star.

[leftofthedial]

58. I'm undoubtedly part of the problem

I don't agree with much of what Clinton espouses. I don't trust her. I am appalled by her record on the invasion and occupation of Iraq and even more by her doubletalk on her record since she started running for President. I do not like her record on protecting our civil liberties from the attacks of recent years. I abhor her pro-corporate, anti-worker positions. She has danced and hemmed and hawed and dissembled and triangulated so consistently that I just do not believe her anymore. I think she is a professional politician first, foremost and always. I think she has run a terrible campaign through arrogance, lack of leadership and crony incompetence. I certainly don't hate her. She's better than McCain or any other repuke. But she's not the champion of Democratic ideals I once hoped she'd be. Quite the contrary.

BUT I AM OUTRAGED that I am called "sexist"--repeatedly!--because I don't support Clinton.

I am not really a fan of Obama either, but at least when I criticize him I'm not descended upon by a pack of ravenous Obama wolves shouting "racist!"

I deeply regret the rancor between the two camps that has characterized this site and GD-P in particular. I wish I'd done more to help. :shrug:

[jillan]

60. It's the "new" politics.

Can't you feel the unity? ;)

[Political Heretic]

61. I just got here - point me to specifics of what you are talking about or else I'm not interested.

I'm sick and tired of these sweepingly general whines about how horrible the boards are blah blah. Point me to specifics so I can take a stand if someone lame is going on, or she if you're deliberately trying to make an issue where there isn't one.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

65. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4761164


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4819028


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4819630

[Political Heretic]

76. Ah, so its actually just ONE thread.

I see.

The second thread, crying about the first thread, saying how its still unlocked -- turns out both threads were locked with roughly the same amount of responses. It takes the mods some time, they are working overtime this year.

And, ironically, the first thread has nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with making a reference to a horrific chapter of racial history that is in terrible taste.

And the third one is about someone throwing a hissy fit and leaving the board. Hmm... not seeing a lot of examples of sexism, but I am seeing alot of examples of people who need to grow up.

I KNOW there are sexists and sexism on this board, and in society, and we should call it out when we see it. BUT I ALSO KNOW that at this point, a group of fanatical candidate supporters are so full of confirmation bias that they literally invent sexism to see everywhere they look.

And that's a shame - because the ridiculous "see what you want to see" mentality of some totally obscures genuine sexist posting when it occurs. Because there are so many ridiculous cries of sexism (and racism I might add) it has had the effect of hurting the real identification of truly sexist and racist occurrences.

It's a shame.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

110. Actually ...

your words:

"The second thread, crying about the first thread, saying how its still unlocked -- turns out both threads were locked with roughly the same amount of responses. It takes the mods some time, they are working overtime this year."


However, that poster decried BOTH threads as being awful and deserving of action by the mods.

The Michelle Obama one was alerted on and LOCKED WITHIN 90 MINUTES. It also only received 3 recs because it was so distasteful.

The thread likening the Clinton campaign to a lynching TOOK 4 DAYS TO GET LOCKED, received 29 recs, and made it to the Greatest Page.


Can you rationalize that?



your words, again:

"And, ironically, the first thread has nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with making a reference to a horrific chapter of racial history that is in terrible taste."

There is no complaint, put forth in the OP, that is gender-based ... no charge of sexism.

So, who was it who displayed a "ridiculous 'see what you want to see' mentality"?


It's a shame.

[JVS]

117. How about this rationalization. The second thread called out the mods and was thus a clear case...

of violating the rules.

The second thread was only locked because it became a flamefest. Arguably no rule was broken by its OP, it was the angry responses that got the thread locked. Notice that it was NOT called flame bait in the locking post.

[LostinVA]

79. Now would be the perfect time to call me a dick again, like you did up thread

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

I wish I could reach through the PC and pinch your little apple cheeks! You're so darn cute!

[Political Heretic]

81. edit - I'm sorry, I'm getting way out of line this morning.

I just got up, I'm tired, I'm frustrated, and I feel like I'm reaching my saturation limit with the trash of GDP.

Think I took it out on you because you were the first person that I saw this morning. I've got not business calling you out like this or being so rude. I apologize.

Something about GDP this morning is just making me feel so frustrated and upset. I'm very sorry I took it out on you with rude comments that really have nothing to do with you - at all.

It's embarassing and I feel a little ashamed of myself.

I'm going to step away and get some fresh air.

[BigDaddy44]

73. This is politics

What do you expect, butterflies and rainbows? Its bare knuckle politics. Nothing wrong with that. People get a little bruised and bloodied, and then they all gather around the winner.

"I like a man who grins when he fights"
Sir Winston Churchill

[movonne]

74. I am an Obama supporter...but I sure don' t hate Hillary...I really

think a great many people that are putting Hillary down is because we are so into our candidate that whoever is against him or her are going a little over the deep end..I think after the nomination we will all pull together and work hard for the Dems..

[Taverner]

80. Don't hate us all Miz DBE!

Not all of us are stroking the flames of hatred, some on both sides have been.

Besides, who's going to head up the SF Delegation at our NorCal DU Meetups?

[Der Blaue Engel]

109. Goodness, no, I don't hate any of you

:pals:

It isn't about sides, just about what it seems to be doing to some people.

Mr. Engel voted for Obama, so I wouldn't be gettin' any if I was anti-Obama supporter. :D

So when's the next meet-up? Should we make it a wrestling match? :rofl:

[RiverStone]

82. I tried this yesterday...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4811492

Dig around a little and you will see many wonderful DUers who get it on the over the top negative bullshit.

Hang in there - DU and the party will reunify soon enough. We need you. :pals:

[Mother Of Four]

84. ...

:hug:

[cooolandrew]

98. When people criticise Hillary it is not an attack on all women it's HRCs polices and campaigning....

I am black and if people attack Barack's policy, or ho whe runs his campaign I don't feel it to be racism, this is the bizarre connect that has been made on the Hillary side with gender. We are viewing them individually as candidates nothing more. Now a few male smucks have come on trolling but they are not genuine progressives at all. If a candidate is making a connection to racism or gender on why they are attack I hope folk would question that motive whether it be either candidate.

[LostinVA]

100. Huh? -- That's not what this thread is about

[JVS]

102. Nothing shocks me anymore in this forum.

[Mass]

108. DBE, I am sorry for you. However, there are idiots on both sides and there

has been some posters that I have long respected and for whom I have lost respect because of their hatred of Obama. Racism and sexism have both risen their ugly head here this election season.

The site is a sorry sight, I agree.

[billyoc]

114. No, no, please, don't repeat it, just hit the fucking road.

I can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life trying to figure out a thread about nothing!

WTF is "Der Blaue Engel", German for "Seinfeld"?!!

[JVS]

116. zOMG! You are not sufficiently emotionally moved by a DUer threatening to leave!

I'm sure there will soon be another person leaving because of your callousness.

[billyoc]

119. That would finally give this thread a purpose. nt

[mudesi]

115. Calm down

You'll live.

[countryjake]

120. Imagine yourself in the shoes of a Black Muslim woman...

regardless of whatever candidate is supported or not, whether you even back any candidate and participate in politics, at all, if you're watching MSM news on tv this week, you are going to feel slightly intimidated and rightly insulted by the antics in this presidential campaign. If you do happen to be involved in politics and have seen and heard every little poke and read every single slight, including the "terra" meme that's being publicized today, and if you have the capacity to put two and two together, it might even make you mad.

Just as your topic on blatant sexism was appropriate, considering the demeaning tactics that have been used attacking women, I'd say you might need to walk in someone else's shoes for a bit, to understand the feelings that may be expressed here concerning other tactics of racism, bigotry, and fear-mongering. You might not feel that it's real or fair, but simply try to see it from another side, that's all.

[Der Blaue Engel]

129. I would respond the same way to racism as to sexism

What I saw this morning went way beyond criticism of campaign tactics or someone pointing out racism. If I ever see such appalling ugliness directed at Obama and his supporters, I will be equally saddened and disgusted.

[GeorgeGist]

121. I cannot believe it either.

Goodbye and find a real home. DU is just a website.

[NMMNG]

125. I hear you loud and clear

[Honeycombe8]

130. Maybe you're taking the primaries a wee bit too seriously? It's politics...

I get offended and tired of the same caustic posts. Some of them are really offensive.

But the primaries will go on, regardless. The nominee will be picked, no matter how much you anguish over posts in a forum, or not. And your posts, and others, will probably have no effect on the outcome.

All we can do is try to be sane, vote our conscience, and let the voters have their say at the polls.

I would add that...as an Obama supporter, it seems to me that the most egregious posts are those against Obama, not against Clinton. It is possible that we are offended most, and notice most, those against the one we support.

[Der Blaue Engel]

131. I realize that I should not have posted this since I have no desire to rehash what prompted it

But those who don't get my post don't need to get it. DU is a community, and some of us form attachments to the three-dimensional human beings behind these posts, even it's just a sense of camaraderie and respect. If people want to call me a loser for caring about DUers, that's their prerogative. But those who are pretending this was a "threatening to leave" tantrum and telling me to "get the fuck off of DU" can go Cheney themselves.

To those who have expressed their support, thank you; I truly appreciate it. It's this shared experience that makes DU great when it's great. But please stop recommending this thread. It doesn't belong on the Greatest Page.

[RBInMaine]

134. We don't hate Hillary, just some of her tactics. BE FAIR !!

I'll say it again. Hillary is a very smart, experienced, and capable politician who would be better than an R. If she were to win the nomination, I may have to hold my nose a bit, but I'd work for her and vote for her. But it's the TACTICS people don't like, and BE FAIR. PLENTY of Hillary supporters on this site have attacked Obama just as badly. Again, BE FAIR.