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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:30 PM
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I've seen people point out that Obama stutters
Racism?

I wouldn't say so. But apparently it would be sexism if he was a woman. At least according to a few dozen posts I've read about what constitutes sexism over the past few days.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:32 PM
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1. You wasted a post for this?
..
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:32 PM
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2. I don't mind him "stuttering"...unlike Bush, what comes out is usually
extremely well-thought out. If he's said the equivalent of "Is our children learning?" yet, I certainly haven't heard it.
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mac2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:46 PM
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18. Any politician speaking today sounds brilliant compared to
Bush. His father was boring/lying but had good speech skills.

President Clinton was the best speech giver of our modern day Presidents. He could have been even a great President if not for his "moderate agenda" with NAFTA, media consolidation, welfare reforms, and Bosnia. When he said he wanted Republicans to share his administration that worried and angered me. We wanted rid of them that's why we changed parties for "change".

Linda Tripp would not have been in the White House.

They called President Reagan a brilliant "communicator". He used speech writers and TelePrompter's. He was after all...an actor.

Very few of them wrote their own speeches. Maybe we could believe them if they didn't.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:32 PM
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3. Thanks For The Pearls Of Wisdom.
:boring:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:33 PM
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4. He says Massachutetts. Maybe that's why he didn't carry it even with the Kennedys and Kerry. nt
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:41 PM
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14. No, he pauses and says, "Massatusetts'.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 05:42 PM by Breeze54
But I've never heard Obama stutter. I have heard he say 'ummm' over and over between every other word.

BTW? He got over 41% of the votes in MA in the primary. That's out of 1.6 million. That's a lot of people.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:48 PM
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29. You are correct. Massatusetts. Very funny indeed but not a deal breaker. nt
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:33 PM
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5. is stuttering typically associated with one gender and not the other?
being shrill, sounding like ones mother etc are very typical to one gender
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:33 PM
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6. Nah, it's just plain old bad manners to ridicule stuttering.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:51 PM
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24. that and cruel-
thank you for acknowleding this.

:hi:

peace~
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:34 PM
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7. Not stuttering, more floundering for words that have not been written out
for him and memorized.

And the floundering is more for ideas and answers. He simply cannot hold his own unless it's prepared beforehand.
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Fire_brand Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:35 PM
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8. I think he's been holding his own well in recent debates
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 05:36 PM by Fire_brand
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:39 PM
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13. He does well on the questions Hillary is asked first.
That way he can say, 'I agree with what she
said....um...er...and...' He has to digest it
before he can regurgitate it.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:37 PM
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10. Ding Ding Ding!
He does not stutter, he hems and haws to gather
his thoughts. He is a pathetic 'off the cuff'
speaker.
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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:39 PM
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12. You must be watching different debates than I have.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 05:39 PM by GoPsUx
just sayen
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:42 PM
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15. What A Thoughtful Post...
Your parents must be proud of you!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:59 PM
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27. Don't bet on that.
;)
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:36 PM
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9. So what if he does?
I'd vote for Porky Pig if it meant keeping a Rebublican out of the White House.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:38 PM
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11. That post is just pathetic. You don't HAVE to fill your three-post allocation
every day, you know.

Redstone
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:43 PM
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16. bullshit.
what's the big fucking deal about stuttering? PS. I'm supporting Clinton, and I think this post is bullshit.

There are many (and I do mean many) more substantive examples of unfairness to Hillary in the media and on this board without having to grasp at straws like that. I know you want to marginalize HRC, but you needn't fling bullshit about to do it.

Furthermore, I have met Barack Obama. I have seen Barack Obama, and he does not stutter anyway.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:44 PM
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17. I think the word is "stammering." Obama sometimes stammers--as most people do.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 05:45 PM by Perry Logan
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:48 PM
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21. He doesn't know his issues. He's covering for this lack.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:46 PM
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19. It's just a few vocal pauses.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 05:47 PM by backscatter712
It's a minor, minor critique I have of Obama's debating style.

It's better to pause and leave a couple seconds of silence than to go "Um, Uh."

Still, when he does say what he has to say, I have to conclude he's a debating and speaking genius.

Every time Hillary's gone against Obama with his black belt in verbal jiu jitsu, she gets thrown. Every time.

And McCain likely won't fare much better.

He does a hell of a lot better than you or I would do in the spotlight, I'll tell you that.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:47 PM
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20. Now wouldn't you be stuttering...
if you were about to become FFFFFuckin' President?!??!?!!
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:49 PM
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22. I would not call it stuttering, he's carefully choosing the correct verbage..n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:50 PM
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23. no it has nothing to do with sexism- it is pretty petty and cruel though-
My oldest child was a stutterer. People can be incredibly cruel and heartless. Some individuals never get over the ridicule that others put them through.

Is it ok to make fun of people with disabilities? I know people who do, and have very little patience or respect for them.

It isn't 'funny' and it isn't something that anyone who has personal experience with would support.

peace~
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:54 PM
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25. Anyone around here old enough to remember JFK at news conferences?
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 05:55 PM by MoJoWorkin
Well, I do.

WHen asked a question, Kennedy would regularly say aaaaaa aaaaa aaaaa aaaa while he was thinking carefully to formulate exactly what he would say. RFK did it too.

I believe that is the very same thing that Obama does---it is not stuttering.
It is done as a mechanism for giving time to craft a precisely worded response.

The Kennedy's didn't do it when they were delivering speeches; neither does Obama.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:59 PM
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26. "If I er may, Helen, I'd like to ah respond to that question with yet another er flip remark."
LOL
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:00 PM
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28. Wow, profound, dude.
:silly:
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