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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:19 PM
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To those who are criticizing Obama for not attending Tavis Smiley's event today
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 12:56 PM by EffieBlack
This is a non-issue. As I noted in another thread, Barack Obama is a black man. His race is an integral part of who he is, just as everyone's race - and gender and height and hair color and age and geography and religion - are integral parts of who we are. He is a black man. But he is not THE black man.

His black skin does not require him to attend every event at which black people gather. His black skin does not give other people with black skin the right to dictate to him where he should go, to whom he should talk, issues he must address and when he must address them. His black skin does not confer upon white people the authority to tell him when, where and how he is "allowed" to discuss race and racial issues, when he MUST discuss race and racial issues, and when he is FORBIDDEN to discuss such issues because doing so constitutes "playing the race card."

I suspect that many of the people who are jumping all over Obama for not attending this event just don't realize that, just because Tavis Smiley's "State of the Black Union" event is getting a lot of coverage (thanks largely to Tavis' overwhelming PR campaign), it is NOT the ONLY "black" event going on nor is it even the most important or most influential "black" event that occurs in any given year.

Practically every day of the week, black people gather in large and small events to discuss, address and mobilize around issues of importance to our community. Some of these events are huge undertakings, some are smaller. Some get press coverage, some don't. The notion that Tavis Smiley's program today is some kind of end-all and be-all, commitment-defining activity that is missed by a black presidential candidate at his peril can only be accepted if you don't know anything about black people and our community.


Tavis Smiley is good at what he does and he's an inspiring figure but, trust me, he ain't all that. His forum is an interesting discusion of ideas and policies, but it is not the ONLY forum for such discussion and, as much as he'd like people to believe otherwise, he is not the gatekeeper for Black America, who must have his ring kissed by any African American who wants to be politically viable in this country.

So please stop making such a big deal about the fact that Barack Obama is not attending Tavis Smiley's event today. He has good reason not to - he is running for president and is in the middle of two tough primary races - it would be foolish for him to pull himself off of his campaign to scramble to Louisiana because Tavis crooked his finger. Obama campaigned hard in Louisiana and I'm sure that just about everyone in the audience is well aware of his positions on all of the issues. Moreover, Black Americans are well represented at this event - there are dozens of black leaders, politicians, educators and others who are participating in the program and discussing the issues that are of concern to our community. Obama doesn't need to be there.

Obama is black, but he's not running to be president of "The Black Union." He's running to be President of the United States. And one of the reasons he's gotten as far as he has in life and in this campaign is that he's too smart to fall into the traps some people would love to set for him by both diminishing and defining the meaning of race in this campaign and in America in general - by, on the one hand, insisting that his race cannot be considered as a positive factor while, at the same time, trying to force him into narrow, race-defined boxes.

Thank God he knows better. The rest of us should try to, as well.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:20 PM
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1. you rule! n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:22 PM
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3. hear, hear
another excellent post by Effie.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:21 PM
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2. K and R
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Cursive Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:23 PM
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4. Well said!
Thank you.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:24 PM
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5. It does seem like he'd be the only live candidate on the panel
so his decision to pass up a two-day talk show in the middle of an important campaign seems a wise one. He didn't get to where he is by taking time off in the crunch.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:24 PM
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6. Obama is right where he needs to be...
speaking to potential voters at a critical time.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:24 PM
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7. Yes the NAACP annual convention will be much more important
:kick:
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knowledgeispwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:24 PM
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8. K&R! Exactly!
I think many, if not most black people (me included) realize that Obama is running as the president of the USA, not president of (only) Black America.

Moreover, much of the panel and the audience seems supportive of Obama not showing up. I'm tired of so-called black leaders many of which are media-appointed (no offense to Tavis) getting to dictate how black people feel, act and do.

Further, one person remarked that a movement for change has to be maintained whether or not Obama is successful, that it isn't just about him.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:26 PM
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9. Why are the DUbamas so sensitive about his ducking this event?
The most successful black person in American political history, who quite probably will be our first balck President, ducks this significant event and it's a "non-issue"?

I disagree.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:28 PM
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10. What is so significant about this event?
Please be specific.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:31 PM
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14. it's on Tee Vee!
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 12:32 PM by eShirl
:sarcasm:
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:33 PM
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15. Black people on TEEVEE! White folks running CSPAN think this is important enough to put on tv
so it MUST be a significant event in the black community and something SO important that every black person must attend it!

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:46 PM
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22. Tell us why you think diminishing the SoBU here somehow helps your candidate?
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:50 PM
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24. I haven't diminished it at all.
I'm simply pointing out that it is not THE black event of the year and that it is not a command performance for black people - including Barack Obama.

And since some here keep insisting that it is SO significant that Obama's "failure" to participate in it is a major problem, I want them to tell me what makes this particular event so significant as to have such an impact. And I'll bet they can't since most of the people making this claim probably don't know jack squat about the "black union" and what may or may not be signficant in or to it.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:16 PM
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26. See OP.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:33 PM
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16. Apparently the black community disagrees with you
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 12:34 PM by yourguide
see this post and the comments:

http://www.theroot.com/id/44840

also based on the 2 minute long ovation when Jesse Jackson was talking about obama at the SOTBU a half an hour ago, many involved in the SOTBU also disagree with you.

apparently the black community understands what the priority is right now, this moment, and it's a much larger agenda.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:39 PM
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18. You said "Jesse Jackson"!
No doubt half of DU will be alerting on your post.
But seriously - what the hell are you talking bout?
How does an ovation "disagree" with anything I typed?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:43 PM
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19. Many in the black community...
feel that this is more of an ego trip for Travis as opposed to keeping their eyes on the prize.

I think that's my point.

If the crowd AT the event is cheering wildly for positive statements about Barack, it appears the the very group he supposedly snubbed doesnt feel snubbed. The only person who feels snubbed is Travis.

Sorry my friend, non-issue.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:18 PM
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40. Apparently the black community...
has more than one voice. Seems there are others that "disagree with you". Note the date.

http://essence.typepad.com/news/2008/02/roland-s-mart-6.html

February 11, 2008
Why Obama should skip Tavis Smiley's State of the Black Union
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Here is my analysis of the situation, and hopefully it will put this presidential campaign and the delicate task of navigating the waters of black politics in perspective.

1. Clinton MUST attend. She led Obama in all of 2007 among black voters by huge margins. But that trend has shifted -dramatically. At best, she's polling at 25% among African Americans. Her acceptance is critical because she needs to capture 30% to 40% of the black to really stop Obama.

The perceived racial slights toward Obama by Clinton campaign surrogates, as well as her husband, former President Bill Clinton, has done significant damage in the black community. His attempts to explain the comments haven't mollified African Americans. Her appearance at the event can help her restore her standing among a vital Democratic constituency, which she will need to turn out en masse if she wins the nomination.
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2. Obama must look forward, not in the past. The Louisiana primary, which he won handily, was on Saturday. Why go back to Louisiana for an event on Feb. 23? That is not to dismiss the needs of people along the Gulf Coast. But the only way he can truly help them is if he wins the nomination and the White House.

Obama needs to be solely focused on Texas and Ohio. Those two mega-states offer a huge bounty of delegates, and he needs to win a large state to move ahead of Clinton. She polls strongly in both states, and they are a huge part of her winning strategy; so much of her time will be spent there in the coming weeks.

All his time must be on the ground. In Texas, he must blanket South Texas because of the Hispanic influence. He didn't do well among Hispanics in California, and he must change that.
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If Tavis wanted to have an impact, he should have held his event before Louisiana or before the Mississippi primary. As the saying goes, bad planning on your part doesn't constitute a sense of urgency on mine.
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Spending the day with Tavis and his panelists is vital for Clinton. For Obama, time spent courting Latinos in Texas is more

http://essence.typepad.com/news/2008/02/roland-s-mart-6...

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Tess99 Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:43 PM
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20. Why is this particular event "signiicant"?
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:29 PM
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11. YES, it's his campaign if he attededx or favoured any one side his campaign would be hypocritical...
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 12:50 PM by cooolandrew
He doesn't want to hate on any race, he is aiming for inclusivity. It might upset some, but he won't win an election favouring any one side. Barack is studious, he has learned from the 80's and has modified his campaign not to exclude, or favour any part of American society. If folks want him to win in 2008 let him carry on as he is, he is politcal genius. If people follow him close enough they will know he isn't trhying to offend anyone in doing this. If folks are trying to label him racist for ignoring these events why is his wife african american. Please, those taking this as rejection observe him ore closely and try to understand his motives.


Folks will say well he attended Selma but if you look at it Selma is a different event where alla mericans honour the scrifices made to move forward civil rights.

All you have to do is put yourself in his shoes. If as a candidate he was showing more favour to any one section of american society his tush is out of office as soon as he blinks. He will serve America as a president for all americans and that is how it should be.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:30 PM
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13. Well you are wrong about what this event is about. . .
. . .its not about hate. Obama was right not to attend, but that decision was not based upon race or favoring a race, it was based up schedule.
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:29 PM
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12. Great post! It is so true. n/t
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:37 PM
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17. And Effie nails another one. Beautiful. K&R n/t
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:45 PM
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21. I don't feel Tavis, I think he goes out of his way to pander to the right for "balance"
A trap a lot of decent journalists fall into, is feeling compelled to give time to folks who don't deserve it because that's what the MSM does. I guess Tavis is trying to keep it real, but more often than not I can't watch his show because of his guests.
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 12:49 PM
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23. Who even watching it?
I've never seen before myself so it doesn't matter one iotta to me as a black woman if Senator Obama attends. He has bigger fish to fry which will help places like NOLA in the long run, once he is POTUS.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:04 PM
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25. K&R. Excellent post, well thought-out and presented!! Thanks for posting.
:toast:
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:46 PM
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27. Effie I hope you read my post because I think it's pertinent and reflects upon what you are saying
Initially my knee-jerk reaction was one of disbelief he would refuse to appear at this event. I felt he was letting the black community down because this high profile event has MSM coverage and it address' issues of the community. Then my thought was he really doesn't need to attend because he is already getting 80+% of the black vote and as a political move it would be in his best interest to campaign in Texas and Ohio. This I do believe to be true in part.

But then I was able to locate Michelle Obama's thesis she wrote in 1984 while attending Princeton. It's been sealed at the Princeton Library until after the General Election but I was fortunate to get a copy of it. I haven't read all 94 pages but I read the summary and skimmed through it. My initial thought was that of surprise and disbelief. I wasn't sure how she was able to base her thesis on the research which I thought was flawed. But then I was watching the "State of the Black Union" and it started coming to me how she was able to come to her ideas and conclusions to her thesis and it made sense. The premise of her thesis is a race divided. She wrote about attending Princeton and how she felt she was perceived by the white community and faculty as being too black and how she was being perceived by the black community as being too white. Then the research substantiated this idea. It talked about having different roles as a black woman in the black community where her role in the white community changed. So, I can understand from skimming through the pages where her ideas come from. The roles of Michelle and Barack began to make sense in the broader sense of the general public and how they need to be accepted by people of all races and gender.

I feel like I can relate to what she wrote in her thesis paper about being split between the black and white community. Being a gay man and having a partner for 16 years it's been a challenge for us at times. The fact that my partner can't really let people at his job know he is gay. The fact that when he applied to law school at the University of Arkansas, a conservative law school, he couldn't mention me in his statement/essay as being a part of his family. When the school had a visitation day for applicants and family I couldn't attend because it would be too conspicuous that I was his partner would decrease his chances of getting a seat at the school. Among our friends we can be ourselves, be together without a stigma society places on the GLBT community. However, it's difficult among the general public. I would like the general public to look at me and my partner as a couple, not a "gay couple". I suppose the reason we have been able to get where we are in life is by not allowing people to place us in that category and to diminish us for being the "gay couple".

The point to my post, I wanted to agree with the statement in your post: "Obama is black, but he's not running to be president of "The Black Union." He's running to be President of the United States. And one of the reasons he's gotten as far as he has in life and in this campaign is that he's too smart to fall into the traps some people would love to set for him by both diminishing and defining the meaning of race in this campaign and in America in general - by, on the one hand, insisting that his race cannot be considered as a positive factor while, at the same time, trying to force him into narrow, race-defined boxes".




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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:27 PM
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28. Wow - what an outstanding post
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and very obviously deep feelings.

I strongly feel it is so important for us all to be empathetic and your experience have not only enabled you to empathize with others in equivalent circumstances, but you have enabled me to empathize with some of the things that you are dealing with.

Thanks so much.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:45 PM
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29. So it wasn't
A big deal when the republicans skipped all the African American events? Good to know.
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:51 PM
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30. Did you even read the OP?????
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 03:51 PM
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31. Enough question marks?
Yes, every word of it and all of the responses (except the people I have on ignore.)
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 04:09 PM
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32. Since you read and understood the OP so well,
Edited on Sat Feb-23-08 04:12 PM by Kaylee
explain to me how McCain's (or any other Republican presidential candidate's) attendance at this event could unfairly label him as only caring about "Black Issues" because he is also black.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:14 PM
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33. What are you talking about?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 05:16 PM
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34. Well said, Effieblack
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Cursive Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:35 PM
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35. Kick.
:kick:
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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:40 PM
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36. Well he should
Considering his Kenyan heritage isn't African American and he was born in Hawaii. Or does he just get 90% of blacks on racial image?
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 08:42 PM
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37. Huh?
Are you African American? Its seems like someone is trying to create divide within my community.
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Cursive Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:25 PM
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38. Kickety kick kick n/t
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:29 PM
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39. OK. I was glad to see Hillary show up. Different campaign goals, different events.
She showed up, took the time and they walked out on her.

Sometimes you win...sometimes you lose.
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