Hillary has not lost the nomination.

[sellitman]

Obama has won it.

Time to give credit where credit is due.

He has run a brilliant campaign for the most part.

He inspires huge crowds like no one I have seen since JFK. (Yes I am that old)

His platform is broad enough to be accepted by a wide cross section of Americans. (Yes even fed up Repiggies)

And the most important aspect of his probable nomination....he can and will wipe the floor with McCrusty.

[Justyce]

1. It ain't over till it's over. nt

[sellitman]

2. You are right but....

The writing is on the wall.

[Thepricebreaker]

4. Is it over now??

[BOSSHOG]

3. He hasn't inspired me

And I think the "cult" label on his supporters is valid. His rhetoric is booming with a nice voice but extremely shallow lacking specifics. That inspires people? Either Dem candidate can defeat McCain. I will vote for the Dem nominee but neither one of them has "inspired" me so far. Maybe its cause I prefer to think about stuff then be told to hope all the time.

[sellitman]

5. He wasn't my first choice either .

But between the two he is my choice.

Not perfect but nobody is.

Even my Original choice Kucinich had his warts.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

12. Empty suit meme

This idea that Obama is an empty suit and doesnt present policy, is just not true. It's either laziness on the part of the detractors to investigate for themselves what his policies are, or they refuse to listen in the first place. I know where he stands on issues, just as much as Hillary. So I am not buying that meme anymore.

[ekwhite]

It's time to drop the "cult" label

There are a lot of Obama supporters who are voting for him after looking at his record.

He has presented specifics and has continued to present specifics (e.g. the debate within the debate last night on health care). There are plenty of specifics on his web site, for those who care to look.

He has introduced 113 bills and resolutions since being elected to the Senate (per the Thomas web site). Some of the key resolutions include: S.J. Res 23 declaring that use of force against Iran is NOT authorized; S453 - a bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections; S674 - a bill to provide accountability and congressional oversight for federal contractors providing private security functions(e.g. Blackwater); S768 - a bill to increase fuel economy standards; etc., etc.

My reasons for supporting Obama are 1) He was against the war since the beginning, making it easier for him to go after McCain on the issue, and 2)He beats McCain in the national polls, where Senator Clinton does not. Senator Clinton is a good candidate. I just believe that Senator Obama is a better one.

I too will vote for whomever is the Democratic nominee, especially after Senator Clinton's gracious closing to the debate last night. But supporters such as you who accuse Obama supporters of not thinking are not helping her cause. You do not win support to your candidate by insulting the other candidate.

[BOSSHOG]

18. Wow, imagine that

You do not win support for your candidate (mine has always been General Clark) by insulting the other candidate. That's all the fuck you cultists have done on this board for months. If someone is not singing the praises of Obama they are pounced on unmercifully by his "followers." My tone has changed considerably lately because of supporters such as you. Too late for you folks to attempt to take the high road.

[JimGinPA]

6. Very Sneaky Thread Title...

But everything in the OP was right on the money.


:toast:

[workinclasszero]

7. Get ready for a landslide

dem victory in the fall with Obama leading the way!:patriot:

[depakid]

8. Counting chickens....

Obama's still a long way from the nomination and anything can happen- an inopportune crack... a scandal. Clinton on the other hand is pretty well vetted- no wildcards out there to bite her.

[sellitman]

9. Scandal?

He ain't no Repiggy.


:P

[depakid]

10. Rezco's still out there

AND he's been involved with Chicago politics.

'nuff said.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

11. Regardless of what you think

Obama was not much of a Chicago politics insider. I live in Chicago and I can tell you that he has always remained above the fray. Never heard about him. There isnt anything more to the Rezco story. Its already out there. Obama has run a pretty flawless campaign, motivated voters, not just the young but everyone. It was obvious that the Clintons felt that this was going to be more of a coronation, that she didnt have to work to get it. They were all wrong. She should have fired Wolfson after Iowa, and cleaned house. Changed the experience and "I will lead from day one" message. None of it stuck. Hillary's negatives are so high that I dont think she could beat McCain in the general anyway. The republicans were licking their chops to get at Hillary. I am glad they wont get the chance.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

13. except

stealing John Edwards' lines.

[0007]

15. .......and Bill's running shoes.

[ooga booga]

14. The positive development I see here is....

that the Democratic Party may manage to nominate a candidate with real widespread support across the country. John Kerry didn't have it. Al Gore didn't have quite enough of it (Taking Tennessee would have done it though.) Michael Dukakis didn't have it. Walter Mondale didn't have it. Jimmy Carter didn't have it in 1980.

Barak Obama seems to have REAL WIDESPREAD SUPPORT from one end of the country to the other. His campaign and message seem to resonant with the political zeitgeist.

John McCain seems to have widespread support on the Republican side but with a decided lack of enthusiasm that right now seems in position to be flattened by Obama's Zeitgeist Express.

This is starting to remind me of 1980 when Reagan was aboard the Zeitgeist Express and Jimmy Carter was simply out of luck.

[sellitman]

16. The bottom line is

Winning.

Obama can win in Sept. Hillary.......only maybe.

Obama inspires.

Hillary just doesn't

[COFoothills]

19. Yes, but can he win in November?

Would hate to see him peak too soon in September.

[ooga booga]

21. Agreed, but the alternative will be McCain and he's got problems.

Just today over lunch a confirmed life long Republican friend announced that he's voted in the Texas primary for Obama -- partly because McCain made a profoundly negative impression by fumbling answers on the Larry King show (didn't witness myself, so no comment).

Barak Obama DOESN'T have the Democratic Party nomination and he's NOT the President Elect. However, at this point, things look favorable for those two outcomes.

Recall that at this point in 1992, Bill Clinton was just beginning to look like he might be the probable nominee but it was fair from certain that he had ANY chance against the incumbent President.

Like in bridge or in Texas Hold 'Em, we'll just have to play the cards we're dealt and see what happens. At this point in the game, I like what I'm seein'. How 'bout you?

[Orsino]

17. I still have some doubts about the income, but yes, the race was hers to lose.

Despite all the criticism, I don't think she handled things "badly"--but she did rely on a paradigm that didn't work. Obama simply has too much popular support for the machine to drown him out in the usual manner. He has managed his campaign well enough to edge her out, and has charisma like unto the Big Dawg's.

She represents the old guard, with nothing new for us. Obama offers much the same thing, but is more inspiring, and is the Next Big Thing.

[greguganus]

20. It's over. The empty pantsuit has left the building. n/t