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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:53 AM Original message |
Whatever happened to Hillary? |
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opihimoimoi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. PUB OPs might have invaded her org...spies/trolls/ etc...Rove and boys are Masters |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I don't know, I think these wounds were self-inflicted. nt |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Carville could have taken them to the WH for $800K. The Clintons have ALWAYS needed guidance |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:08 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. They spent a hell of a lot more than $800,000 for the jokers they have. |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
33. Not cheapness, STUPIDNESSS. Carville knows the Clintons best. He |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Bottom line |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. That's another good point--voters say "A plague on both their Houses" nt |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
69. Shingles? |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
65. Carville was busy. |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. I guess a job's a job???? Wasn't aware of his new entanglements. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Carville in Venezuela |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
70. Carville has lost his edge too. |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. You're right. I guess too long in D.C. and their insulation from working |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. They are both ridiculous... |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. This is the problem I've had with virtually every politician since '00 |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Yes, very few of them "Get it" nt |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Get out the tin foil! |
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Cessna Invesco Palin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. I disagree to some extent. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
44. I totally agree!!! The PUBS have long had a SECRET organization to undermine our candidates |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Thank you, jgraz! |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
2. I suggest to those considering a subscription to NEWSWEEK that they |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I love crazy uncle Mike too--I miss him in the debates. nt |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
7. Great post BTW. |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Thanks, it's quite a story but one as old as the hills. The Greeks called it Hubris. nt |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. the Greeks! What the hell?! The GREEKS?! What did THEY ever know about |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. HRC's campaign is going to be an excellent case study in poly sci classes for years on how to do |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
59. Mmmmm. Hubris. |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Yum nt |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
8. Better than I have any right to expect from DU. Thank you. |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
11. Early surveys are purely name recognition. Playing by RNC or old DNC rules, she'd have it sewn up. |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. That's true, ask "President" Guiliani. nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
67. Yep. nt |
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Mother Of Four (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
15. Personally... |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. You make some really good points. |
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TheZug (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
16. The truth? "Ready on day one" is just words. |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #16 |
51. "just words" like everything else about her. "Change"? Don't make me laugh. |
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lisa58 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
17. I agree that Hillary is ultimately responsible for the campaign... |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. It reminds me of watching Kerry campaigning with Bruce Springsteen. |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. ***Too much prose not enough poetry.*** |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
53. Hillary's will to power is just no reason to vote for her |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #17 |
55. Hillary's will to power is just no reason to vote for her |
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AnarchoFreeThinker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
18. Positioning as inevtiable was smart. Believing your own rhetoric, not so smart. |
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northernsoul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
20. add Mark Penn and her IWR vote to that list |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Of course I forgot the IWR. I include Mark Penn along with her advisors. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Not to nitpick on such a fine post, but Penn deserves a paragraph all to himself |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Well that is true--call him the six million dollar hack. |
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aaronbees (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
23. I like the Sham and Secretariat comparison... |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Thanks, but of course the great Secretariat could be beat. |
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progressive_realist (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
24. I'll add bad timing to that list. |
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progressive_realist (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Apologies for the overuse of military metaphors. |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. It's never a good idea to run against hope. nt |
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iconocrastic (627 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #32 |
56. "Don't get your hopes up - vote for me. I'll disappoint you, count on it." |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
62. Just to riff off of that "Rovian tactics don't work" thought... |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Definately an important point. The people are back in the game. |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Absolutely - It's an exciting time to be watching things like this |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
26. You know, Hillary has looked like she is being handled. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
81. Perception is huge |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. With the truly great horses--and politicans--it looks like a true partnership |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:59 AM Response to Original message |
28. Well done! |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
30. Grassroots still has some meaning. |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Clinton's run a very top down campaign--that would have been a big winner in the 90s |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #36 |
49. Yep. Clinton's plan should have been enough... |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Whether it's Clinton or Obama the Democratic candidate will be stronger for having to fight for it |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
34. That's why they play the games |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. I've been waiting for the flames--Cowgirl's got her asbestos chaps on but expecting to get burned. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Ever heard of "garbage in, garbage out"? It works the other way, too |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. The truth is, I feel it's kind of tragic. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
38. I Don't Think It's A Matter Of What's HAPPENED To Her, |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:20 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. You could be right, Dinger. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:32 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. It's hard to feel bad for Hillary when you look at what the MSM did to Edwards and Kucinich |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
74. Aside from that one element, she's the anti-Dean. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
47. After BO pandered to the Fundies, he successfully Swiftboated her on Race in S.C. |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I don't know, MP, it seems to me that Clinton got plenty of good coverage before Iowa |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
52. The problem started back when the Clintons tried to replace |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. Interesting take, I do think Howard Dean has been pivotal |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. History will show that Gov. Dean saved this party |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
54. Obama happened |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. They underestimated they guy, that's for sure. nt |
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From The Left (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
66. The Camera Doesn't Lie |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
72. Well done! |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. What's that saying about the definition of insanity being doing the same dumb thing over and over... |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. See, Bill could have gotten away with the Xerox line. |
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cloud75 (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
75. I love Hillary... skimmed your post...and in my opinion |
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adoraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
84. so many have had epic collapses this year |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
85. the media's overwhelmingly positive coverage of Obama |
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