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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:13 PM
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If Obama Gets The Nomination, Will His Supporters Want Or Appreciate Hillary's Endorsement?
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 02:14 PM by Dinger
I'm just curious, that's all.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:13 PM
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1. I really couldn't care less.
But she will endorse him, and I don't doubt she won't.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:15 PM
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8. So Yes For Wanting, But No For Appreciation
I get it.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:17 PM
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17. Indifferent for wanting.
If it were four years ago, I'd suspect she'd pull a Lieberman and leave the party if she lost the nomination. But politics have changed and the Republicans are crumbling, so she'll stick with the democrats just because we'll be the ones with the power.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:42 PM
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56. What evidence do you have for believing that to be true?
It seems to me that Hillary Clinton is being swiftboated on this board. Posters constantly state that she doesn't care about the Democratic Party and would betray us if she could. What an awful thing to say about a Democrat!

I would never say anything like that about Obama.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:14 PM
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68. Some posters are saying that.. they are wrong
Plenty of blame to go around on both sides
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:33 PM
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46. How quickly arrogance can kill what the person that has done most for you in politics.
As the Clinton Administration has.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:35 PM
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50. It's not arrogance.
As cynical as I am, even I don't think Hillary Clinton is stupid and evil enough to leave the democratic party, which is really what the OP is asking.

What's any of this have to do with the Clinton administration?
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:14 PM
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2. It is normal for the former Dem candidates to rally around the nominee n/t
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:14 PM
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3. I don't care as long as she keeps Bill from campaigning for Obama
He's really lost his touch
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:15 PM
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10. I want to know of one person in
hilaryland who's "in touch"?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:16 PM
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14. I don't know, but Bill has some kind of fecal King Midas thing going on
Everything he touches turns to shit
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:31 PM
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42. And now hilary is acting like a
surrogate of mccain and lieberman's.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:26 PM
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34. JVS..that thought and action killed Gore Run.. in the GE you want have as many rep. voting Obama and
You may need Bill Clinton, who was one time called the first Black President.
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COFoothills Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:14 PM
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4. Of course....
They will want it, and they will get it immediately in the name of uniting the party.

I'm sure the 'exit strategy' is already laid out somewhere at Clinton HQ.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:14 PM
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5. NO!
Actually an Obama supporter in here wants Hillary and her supporters thrown out of the party!


O' smell the HOPE!!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:20 PM
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22. Beat me to it
And, I've been told I'm "irrelevant" to the election.

So, should I sit this one out or what? Since I'm neither wanted nor appraciated... after all, I AM a racist, a troll, a fucking bitch, a homophobe, pro genocide, etc.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:27 PM
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35. and a boat owner!!!
Since I live in California I might be able to sit this one out. But I'm sure I won't. I could always "forget" to check off the presidential spot however.

I wouldn't want to poison the "Unity and Hope" train with my evil Clinton supporter vote.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:29 PM
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38. You forgot that you are also a paleofeminist...LOL
Clip clop to the glue factory for all women born before 1964......
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:36 PM
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51. How could I forget that one -- it's my favorite!!!
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:34 PM
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47. Can you feel the love?
I just want to weep with joy sometimes! Feel the hope!

:sarcasm:
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:25 PM
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32. it would be funny if she left
and went independent....not to run for president but just changed her party affiliation to independent....and then didn't endorse.....i'd laugh my ass off at the obama supporters who hate her so much.....obama would sink like a fuckin rock
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:30 PM
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41. You last night Obama seemed humble, he needs to talk to his voters
You have to remember this is politics, as soon as the race is over Hillary,Bill and Obama will be the best of friends. Bill Clinton has a brain that would serve any democrat well, if it were picked for advice, after all Bill Clinton was and is considered one of the 5 best president of all times, and he had to deal with both houses republican contorled, keep this up if you wnat to be looking at a nother republican for 8 years.. It up to you, to win or lose.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:14 PM
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6. No.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:15 PM
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7. Of course, it's time to be one party again and keep our eye on the prize
Clinton should be out campaigning for Obama when she drops out.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:15 PM
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9. No. (nt)
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:15 PM
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11. Absolutely! We all need to pull behind the nominee to beat the Goopers! n/t
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weezie1317 Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:43 PM
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57. Exactly! We need the party to pull together...
Like it or not, Hillary is an important Democrat, and we need her on board to unify the party and to help accomplish Democratic bills.
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:15 PM
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12. Yes.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:15 PM
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13. Yes, of course. NT
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:16 PM
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15. Absolutely! I wanna see her endorse Obama ASAP!
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:16 PM
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16. hillary who?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:21 PM
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23. That's The Way To Win Us Over
Keep it up.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:32 PM
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45. leave the work of winning you over to the threat of mccain.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:41 PM
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54. No shit
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:17 PM
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18. Well, the "no's" win. So i guess the 10 million, so far, who voted for Hillary will look elsewhere.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:21 PM
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24. Yes, because 2 or 3 people say "no" you can move 10 million voters to McCain or Bloomberg
Good grief.


And, yes, I would hope she would back him.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:30 PM
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40. i'll say to you the same thing i said in another thread
the 3 or 4 in here....except it's more than that......seem to be pretty good at flame fanning....remember our rw counterparts.....there were never enough of them to honestly represent the repub party...but because they blogged and flamed they got their message into the blogosphere...and then to rw radio...then into the msm.....so you might want to be careful saying a few overly enthusiastic supporters can't turn off a much larger number of regular voters......
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #18
48. Brilliant logic.
I was unaware that a dozen DU'ers speak for millions of Americans.

This goes up there with my all time favorite claim: Oh no! DU is divided, therefore Republicans will win the GE.

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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:40 PM
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53. Cynthia McKinney?
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:49 PM
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60. Well, I'm a Hillary supporter, and that's fine with me.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:18 PM
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19. Of course. Want it and appreciate it just as she would want and appreciate Obama's support.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:18 PM
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20. Yes
Why wouldn't they? She is a distinguished sitting Senator from New York, a former First Lady of the US and a smart, capable,hard-working and incredible woman. Why wouldn't the Obama people welcome her endorsement?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #20
26. Quite a few on here want her thrown out of office and "eliminated"
from the Dem party. Posters upthread have said that about DU HRC supporters.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:23 PM
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27. You Know, Maybe I'm Just A Wimp, But I Actually Get Teary-Eyed When I See
Obama's supporters say something nice about Hillary. Thank you for your post.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:17 PM
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69. I have a different candidate.
That happens in a primary, lol. That doesn't mean I dislike the other candidates. Senator Clinton is a wonderful Democrat. I rooted for her in 2000 to become the Senator from NY. I like many of the things she has done in office. I just so happen to have a different candidate for Pres in a primary. If Hillary was the nominee, I would have no trouble backing her. She is a fine Democrat and a distinguished public servant with a long and admirable record.

I heard her speak 2 years ago, before current primary-Armageddon at DU. I enjoyed hearing her at Take Back America. I like her, she's just not my candidate in this primary.



At some point in time, we will have to come together as Democrats to support Democrats up and down the ticket. These wars over nothing make that eventual goal harder.
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:19 PM
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21. Endorsement? Sure thing. Advice on strategy? No thanks.
Obama needs to keep on doing what he's doing, and keep in mind that Hillary will want to try again sooner rather than later, which means that she will not want Obama to win the general election, and if he does she will not want him to be successful. All my opinion, of course.
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rjx Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:23 PM
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25. Hillary might not give one
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:23 PM
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28. sure, why not. But I worry about Bill
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 02:24 PM by Laura PackYourBags
Can not imagine her magnanimous enough. I worry about Bill somehow sabotaging his campaign -- with hopes Hillary can win in 2012
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. ah, the famous "scorched earth" strategy
rumored to have been practiced against Kerry btw to set up a Hillary 08 strategy. Which may explain Kerry's Obama endorsement.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 05:59 PM
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65. Yep. I believe it. Bill is a genius. He used to sleep in law school
but when the professor woke him up to ask him a question - he would answer correctly despite missing the lecture. Bill knows every damn precinct in the country. He would have had to have had a lobotomy to not know that Bush rigged the election. To me, quid pro quo....He tells Bush he knows it was rigged, but will keep his mouth shut - if they push Hillary in 08. Voila !

the only trouble with the strategy is, if Obama doesn't win in 08 - he's likely to be around in 2012 too.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:23 PM
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29. Thats an interesting question
For me it depends on how she goes out. If its flinging as much shit as she possibly can on the way out then no I don't think her endorsement will be welcomed. If on the other hand she retains her composure and goes down fighting honestly then yes it will be welcomed.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:24 PM
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30. hillary's name will be mud after this election
her supporters are smart and loyal, and they will make up their own minds about who to vote for.

after hte negative campaign, a hillary endorsement wouldn't mean very much and would be seen as further reason to insult hillary
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:32 PM
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44. Read the history book in about 20 years, when she will go down in history next to Mrs. FDR
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:25 PM
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31. WANT? we NEED her endorsement
Will we get it? Depends on her future strategic view. It would be unthinkable that the runner up wouldn't endorse the candidate. I don't think it has ever happened.

Does this mean that the 44 crowd will automatically switch to posting anti-McCain stuff?

What do YOU think?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:26 PM
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33. I don't trust her.
at first it was only all about the Iraq war vote of hers. That was The thing that my decision not to support her was solidly and immovably based on.

but I've learned a whole lot more about her in the last few weeks, and I don't trust her.

She is about herself and the Clinton legacy and could give a shit about any positive changes to the political landscape and the people.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:28 PM
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37. A no-brainer really
All democrats rally around the nominee. Period. End of discussion. I would be horrified if my candidate and his supporters refused to endorse or help Hillary were she to become the nominee. We all know what's at stake here -- haven't 8 years been enough?!
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:34 PM
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49. nope
i've been a registered democrat for over 20 years and will remain a registered democrat...but i won't rally around obama....protest vote for me....
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:47 PM
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59. I honestly think that's lousy
I was quite upset when Gore picked LIEberman as his running mate in 2000, but I voted for him. In '04 when my candidate didn't get the nomination, I rallied behind Kerry and was devastated by the loss. I don't understand how someone could sincerely call themself a democrat and not vote for our nominee, especially after what we've suffered through these past 8 miserable years.
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:30 PM
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39. The real question
is whether Hillary supporters will VOTE for Obama.

I know a bunch of Dems that voted for Hillary in the primaries who have stated that they will either stay home during the general election or they will vote for McCain rather than Obama. Lots of different reasons given as explanation of those intentions.

Winning the nomination isn't worth shit if the candidate fails to win the general election. And that is true regardless of who the nomineee is.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:51 PM
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61. I won't vote for McCain .. hell no.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:32 PM
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43. I want a unified Democratic Party...
...As an Obama supporter, I am ready to support HRC with my vote, and my money, should she pull this off. I see no reason why it can't be the other way around. Remember, it's not us against us. It's us against them.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:36 PM
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52. I'd appreciate it, but I wouldn't want it
I think she's radioactive in the GE and down't want her anywhere near Obama after he wins the nomination.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:42 PM
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55. want=hell yes. appreciate=hell yes.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:44 PM
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58. Is there any doubt she would endorse him?
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:21 PM
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62. ABSOLUTELY -- HILLARY SUPPORTERS ROCK
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:28 PM
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63. No and yes.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 03:47 PM
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64. NO! She is more of a Liability than anything.....(quite embarassed by her)
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:06 PM
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66. Yes. They were friends before this. They can be friends again.
It's always brutal when two co-workers are fighting for the same promotion.

But once the nominee is selected, I think we have an obligation to put down the pitchforks and put aside all personal feelings (deserved or not).

At that point it is no longer about us or our petty personal grievances. It's about taking this country back from people out to destroy it.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 06:08 PM
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67. She needs to shut up and go away in the GE
She would only hurt Obama if she's in any way visible. So slink back to her Senate job, and sit there for 4 more years, then PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE retire in 2012 so we can get a good progressive in that seat.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:31 PM
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71. Is this the new politics? We are the ones we have been trashing? n/t
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:24 PM
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70. I think whoever wins it. Will like to have and need the others endorsement
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 10:28 PM by BrentTaylor
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:32 PM
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72. It depends, If we need to drag it out of her after a court battle over delegates then no. if it is
freely given and in the spirit of party unity then yes.

It is up to her, not us.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:33 PM
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73. Absolutely Yes. It's a primary in the party, not a war.
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Yurovsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:38 PM
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74. It's more important what Sen. Obama wants ...
and I'd have to think he wants her support very badly, and he'll need it. The GOP is going to unleash the most vile, racist, and hateful campaign in their sordid history, and Sen. Obama will need every registered Dem to get their ass to the polls and vote for him.

I can't imagine Sen. Clinton NOT endorsing BHO. And yes, I think it would help. She doesn't want to earn the wrath of the powers that be in the Democratic party, especially if she wants to be Senate Majority leader someday.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 10:59 PM
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75. Yes - How she behaves over the next few weeks is important
Up to this point I believe that the Clintons are more interested in their own success than the success of the Democratic Party. If Hillary were to bow out gracefully, and endorse and support Obama, then I will have to reconsider my opinion of her. But if she gets swept on March 4, and doesn't drop out, then that will only enforce my opinion of her.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:01 PM
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76. she runs a dirty sleazy campaign, why would we want anything to do with her?
well at least i wouldnt as 1 supporter lol
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:04 PM
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77. Yes I would! n/t
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:04 PM
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78. her supporters yes, but Hillary can take a hike.
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