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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:24 AM
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Poll question: Had Obama lost 10 primaries in a row
you would have said he needed to drop out. True or false?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:26 AM
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1. Kick.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:27 AM
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2. Depends. How many delegate votes does he have? Has he won any big states?
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:28 AM
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3. Imagine him in the same position Hillary is now, having lost the same states.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:30 AM
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4. Yup.. the "inevitible candidate" losing.. he would have been "Huckabee'd" a
long time ago.. right after VA at the latest.

Clinton is hanging on right now because of her name, and her families background of being the "comeback kid". Anyone else would have been told to knock it off by now.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:31 AM
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5. I don't think anyone has the right to suggest that...
...any candidate drop out.

Deciding to run, is a very personal decision. Deciding to quit is very painful, personal decision
and each candidate has the right to make that decision in their own time.

We can comment on each candidate's strategy or their actions and words---but we should leave these
highly personal logistical questions up to each candidate.



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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:32 AM
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9. But everyone does. Ask Huckabee. Ask Romney.
Ask Bill Richardson. People were saying at one point they had no chance and they needed to drop. It's part of the primary process.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:31 AM
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6. Apples and Oranges - Whats our goal, a fruit basket?
If Obama lost 10 primaries and yet his major opponent still would not have the delegates necessary for the nomination why would he quit? I wouldn't encourage anyone to quit, thats a decision they have to make. Obama supporters are doing a damn fine job of helping me make up my mind who to vote for in my state's primary next month.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:33 AM
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10. Relax. I'm asking a question. It's not an attack on anyone.
Just seeing things in a different perspective.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:37 AM
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12. I've heard that
IF Obama did this or that he'd be Hucabee'd. There is absolutely no comparison between their two situations or Hillary and Huckabee. If anyone says anything here that may be construed as even the slightest hint of criticism of Obama they are descended upon like white blood cells on a skin cut. I hope that is not a reflection of him but I've also read where his staffers are arrogant pains in the ass.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:53 AM
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15. pains in the asses indeed
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 11:57 AM by beezlebum
why should people base their support on staffer and supporter behavior?

further, i have heard the same thing about hillary- only not her staffers, but her. i've heard she is rude and dismissive to her own constituents. but i'd heard that before i decided against supporting her and it had nothing to do with my decision not to- because it's hearsay and has nothing to do with policy or integrity in office...especially when it's not even the supportee.

as far as supporters and in reference to your "apples and oranges" post," i think it's fair to say that there has been an equal number of vitriolic commentary from both sides' supporters, and it would be completely unfair to let it boil down to such obtusity.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 01:37 PM
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21. I was reading a collective
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 01:39 PM by BOSSHOG
story from reporters covering his campaign. It was not heresay, rather eyewitness accounts.

My reference to apples and oranges was to the situation between Obama and Huckabee or Clinton and Huckabee. Huckabee doesn't have the percentile of delegates that Clinton and Obama have thus making the comparison ludicrous.

I haven't seen the "vitriol" as deep and intense from Clinton supporters as from Obama supporters (on DU). And if vitriol is such a bad thing why is it being used? And who the hell said politics was fair?

And a belated welcome to DU. I am about 60 miles northeast of The Crescent City.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:11 PM
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22. thanks for the welcome and nice to meet another GNOian
Edited on Wed Feb-20-08 02:12 PM by beezlebum
i have seen pretty vicious vitriol from clinton supporters, but usually quite unsubstantiated.

it's coming from both sides, and it means nothing. the only real difference i've seen in the two collectively is that obama supporters "bashing" clinton usually are citing facts with regard to her experience, which she has campaigned on herself, rather than "plagiarism" or "michelle-said-o-gate."

but truthfully, i'm not going to pretend that it matters. it really doesn't. i am looking at the behaviors of hillary clinton and barack obama as i personally see for myself, not what someone else says. i am watching their strategies, and i am watching and listening and reading up their personal reactions.

my brother has always been kind of obnoxious- i sure hope that people haven't chosen not to soeak to me based on his character rather than my own.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:20 PM
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24. I will
vote with gusto for the democratic party nominee, but I haven't decided who I will vote for in Mississippi's primary next month. We get to NOLA about monthly, health allowing. Just can't get enough of that good chow and we love the French Quarter Fest 12-13 April this year.
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:41 PM
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28. Right
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:31 AM
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7. Dean and Edwards lost two small states...and the call came out.
:grr:
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:32 AM
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8. It doesn't matter what I would say!
The media and the Dems would demand that he drop out. Hillary can stay in if she wants to. I notice the hole that she is digging is growing by the day. Peace, Kim
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:35 AM
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11. Not if he had already won California, Florida and New York.
But still I would not be surprised if he did decide to drop out (in your scenario).
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:07 PM
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19. NY - home state, FL - off the table, CA - 30% ballots early voting.
and your point was?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:44 PM
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30. When does Oregon have
their primary? Welcome to DU!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:40 AM
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13. there`s still three big states left
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 11:41 AM
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14. Yes, but not for the reason you might think.
Ten primaries ago, he was not in the lead, and never had been.

His recent lead, though welcome, isn't quite definitive yet--I still fear shenanigans with superdelegates and MI/FL. Things are certainly breaking his way now, but who knows what these other factors, and various endorsements, might do?
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SomeGuyInEagan Donating Member (872 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:01 PM
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16. Can't answer based on options ...
If that streak of wins had given Obama a huge advantage in pledged delegates, it would be a different story. But that is not the case as Obama and Clinton are still close in the delegate count. That might be a much different story after Texas and Ohio. Or more of the same.

That's the process, warts and all. Love it or hate it, but that's the process.

This thing may go to the convention and the super delegates.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:04 PM
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17. Lets be honest they are still really close
I am for Obama but if he was as close as she is I wouldn't have his drop out until after march 4th I will say though if she loses texas and ohio, game over!
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:05 PM
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18. Don't know how I would answer but I know there would HUGE pressure on him to drop out
:kick:
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rusty_parts2001 Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 12:19 PM
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20. Hillary will not give until the convention.
Guaranteed!
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:19 PM
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23. If the tables were turned
I'd hope that Obama dropped out. There is no shame in losing with honor and dignity.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:21 PM
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25. Nope. Because I didn't like it when people told Edwards to, why would I now?
I was an Edwards supporter when DU was calling for him to drop out.

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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:25 PM
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26. Depends.
If he didn't have many delegates and no chance of making up the defecit, yes.

I would not tell Hillary to drop out yet. Too many delegates left for the taking. She should stick it out through Texas. At that point, it may be clear that the deficit is too big, but right now it's still not certain.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:26 PM
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27. I have *never* called for a candidate to "drop out".
And guess what.... THE CANDIDATES DON'T GIVE A SHIT WHAT PEOPLE ON DU POST.

*shocker*

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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-20-08 02:44 PM
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29. They win by the delgate count - so only if it's improssible to reach by that count.
n/t
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