Making head and tails during the Obama virus outbreak

[jconner27]

Oh man I think I'm in the minority of sane Democrats left in this country I admit I prefer Hillary Clinton to go against McCain in the general election, but these Obama followers on DU boards and those loons writing to Bartcop you guys just don't prefer Obama but acting like kids by saying "If Obama loses we're going to stay home." Funny thing tho anytime I see Clinton supporters making those same claims of if Obama wins I'm staying home which lead Obama supporters to comment well you rather have McCain to win? Hold on here you demand Obama or no one but if Obama wins, Hillary supporters better get in line so we can win in the fall. I like Sen. Barack Obama but his supporters are less to be desire, he's just senator he's not Superman and he's not the be all end all. But reading why people support Obama I wonder are these people little kids or grown ups, Obama message is nothing new how many people running for office say "How many of you like the shit going on in Washington?, vote for me I make sure more shit is coming" or say "if you like corruption I'm your person". And because his speeches make you feel good is not a good reason to vote for someone, that's like me saying I'm voting for Hillary Clinton because she's a Detroit Tigers fan and so am I, it's about substances and yet I haven't seen a Obama supporter give a detail of his plan other then telling people go to his website. If you going to make your case against Hillary on her war vote that's fair but don't get pissed when people remind you Sen.Obama has voted to fund the war, he didn't even mount a mini protest prior to his vote and if you backed John Edwards what was his excused? And if you're going to go after Hillary over her Iran vote, that's fair what about Sen.Obama who didn't even vote so we don't know where he actually stands on that issue.

If you don't like Hillary Clinton that's fine but using RNC talking points to trash her what are you proving? That Obama supportrs listen to right wing talk radio, surf right wing blogs and websites, watch Fox "News" and read right wing books. And seeing these so called Democrats using RNC talking points to re write Bill Clinton term in office what is that? Other thing NAFTA something Sen. Obama supports what was bad about the 1990s? The Rovian and race card thing Obama supporters screaming about from the average Douchebag supporter to Randi Rhodes.From my stand point it's the Obama camp that used the race card and use Rovian style of politics note during the South Carolina primary where the Obama camp twisted Bill Clinton's comment of fairy tale which even the most dishonest Obama supporter would tell ya, Bill was talking about his anti war stance but no every media whore and Obama flunkie claim holy shit Bill Clinton is saying Barack Obama run is a fairy tale.


Say Obama wins I have some harsh reality for you Obamaites, the first one forget any form of help from the whore media when the Republicans attack Obama like a bunch of wild dogs, whatever narrative the Republicans will come up for Barack everyone will either echo it or do him like John Kerry during the height of the swiftboat attack it's Obama word vs their words and the American people have to decide who's telling the truth, two Barack Obama and his supporters are whining about the "attacks" coming from the Clinton camp what is he going to do when the party that created the term swiftboat go after him? I can assure you Obama followers the Republicans will say more than words don't have any meaning or make fun of "Yes we can". Going back to the media don't be shocked when those conservative pundits who only a couple of months ago praising Obama will be the same ones making fun of his name, making fun of his speeches and making fun of his supporters calling you more naive then he is.
And if we lose, I don't want to hear shit about how a corrupt Republican S.O.S rig the race, I don't want to hear how Diebold voting machines took votes away from Obama we lost because you picked another glass jaw Democrat to face an nasty hateful Republican noise machine. And I better not hear Randi Rhodes, Rachel Maddow, Buzzflash etc complain about the result. The Republican wanted Obama and you were gladly to give him to them.

[Windy]

1. The right wing wants Hillary Clinton. Your diatribe is not based on fact.

Go get a glass of wine and try to relax. You are obviously upset.

I respect your passion, but in my opinion, you are wrong and your venom is not helpful.

[jconner27]

3. Upset hardly

Dude, if you think the right wing and the Republicans won't take Obama strength and used it against it's clear to me you and my other fellow Democrats haven't learn their lesson from 2000,2002,2004. Barack better be more than "Yes we can" when the corporate media turn on him, when the right wing will attack him 24/7 and I wouldn't take McCain likely because who knows what he's going to do to win. He better show me he's a fighter not some guy who's depending on the refs to bail him out.

[sendero]

74. They have 15 years of oppo research on HRC..

.. and they will trot out all the old accusations, many of which have never really been dispelled.

Fact is, the Reps are going to go gutter on whoever is nominated, so I'd rather have someone I can kind of respect as opposed to HRC who gets no respect from me at all because of her refusal to commit to ending the Iraq debacle.

And, I'm sure you know, as of right now HRC barely polls even with McCain, Obama polls well ahead. That is no surprise, as on the IMPORTANT issues, McCain and HRC are not that far apart.

[AlertLurker]

2. I was about to post something similar to your last para.

We really do not need another 2004. Hopefully, Kennedy and Kerry can help Obama avoid similar pitfalls...

[LisaL]

6. Kerry couldn't even help himself, how is he gonna help someone

else?

[jconner27]

12. Maybe Kennedy keep Kerry away from him

I would have people prepare him for what's coming he's not facing Alan Keyes, he's facing bastards that would attack him, his wife and what he stands for. Believe or not Obama followers I would to love to see him go on and win so we can end eight years of the Chimp king rule but he has to address toughness for me because I remember John Kerry saying when they attack I will fight back and we all know what happen after that. That's my main worry, because I don't believe a word the Republicans say regarding not being excited about McCain.

[goldcanyonaz]

4. Great OP! Thank you so much for posting this.

[Emit]

25. huh? I can't get past the first two sentences to even understand what the OPer is ranting about.

I've started out twice to read it. I don't have the patience to wade through the poor grammar and run on sentences.

[Laurab]

34. That makes two of us! nt

[Emit]

36. I finally gave up.

Too much to move on to.

[jconner27]

41. Understand this

Is that all of the cult of Obama has? Err I can't read your writing.. Please the way some of you Obama followers write in your post it makes Bush supporters rambling look like fucking H.G. Wells.

[Emit]

43. Understand that what you posted was difficult to follow

that is all

[jconner27]

45. Don't worry

I admit while I wrote it I had a change of heart regarding Mr. Obama ability so things go bunched up. I'm sorry I said nasty things about ya we're all on the same team. And we're all fighting for the same goal here. Again I'm very sorry about whatever post that I go after you it's just I'm worry about the election and when I worry I lash out.

[Emit]

46. No biggie

I waded through your rant just so that I could try to understand your concern.

The Repubs will make this a dirty fight no matter who wins the Dem nomination -- it won't be easy for either of our candidates. Have no illusions. We have record numbers voting on the Democratic ticket. We're ready for the fight no matter which candidate wins. We're on the same team, as you said.

:hi:

[jconner27]

49. Damn dude I still feel bad

Man I still feel bad, one I shouldn't lash out at another Dem and two I should let whatever happen to happen if it's Sen.Obama alright let's talk about kicking GOP ass then. Again I should haven't have wrote what I wrote. I have to control myself when I worry. I think the idea of having four more years of Bush scares the living hell out of me.

[anamandujano]

77. Don't back down. Follow the DU rules but do not back down from your stand.

The Obama thugs at DU are extremely irritating and could provoke Mother Teresa into going ballistic. They can't talk issues and I'm going to laugh my ass off when the media turns on their hero. They cheered on the media trouncing of Hillary, which cost her precious votes. I wouldn't even consider joining with them to fight something that gave them an unfair advantage.

Please don't get mad at me for not supporting Obama in the general because I don't see how he is better than McCain even in the most basic issues. He is so entranced with Repuke values, and everyone has given him a pass; why on earth would he start acting more like a democrat once he was in office? Is he lying to the Repukes he's trying to win? He certainly doesn't bother to lie to us. He doesn't say much on the issues, but when he does, it's bad.

[Laurab]

64. That one was kind of hard to understand, too.

I THINK you're trying to say I belong to a "cult", which I don't - I do like to research my candidates before I choose them. I understand big words and stuff, really I do, most of all I understand ending sentences, making new paragraphs, and punctuation.

You should try them, and then maybe people WOULD be able to understand your posts.

[Name removed]

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[blogslut]

5. tl;dr

n/t

[writes3000]

7. I'm sorry but Hillary should be stronger than Obama if

she's going to win against the Republicans. It's that simple. No, I do not believe that tens of thousands of Republicans are faux-cheering for Obama in primary after primary after caucus across the country.

You're right. Obama will need to be tough. But I don't believe that Hillary is automatically tougher than Obama nor do I believe that her campaign team is better.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. Obama is all hype.

If by chance, he wins, this country will find out.

[Renew Deal]

11. Mark Penn, Is that you?

:shrug:

[jconner27]

13. The cult is piss at me

I gotta know Obamaites if someone express an thought other than Obama is the second coming I gotta be Mark Penn or whomever the Obamaites view as the enemy?

[Renew Deal]

16. My comment wasn't for you

;)

[jconner27]

32. Sorry

Again sorry dude.. I like Sen.Obama believe it or not it's that I worry about can he handle the right wing the way I think Hillary can.

[Emit]

52. Just to let you know

Obama's got some powerful folks behind him. He's smart and gifted. It'll get dirty, no doubt, but he's got the backing needed to put up the good fight. He may be the new kid on the block, but when you look behind the curtain, he's got some of the same folks behind him -- entrenched politicians and moneyed people -- that any presidential candidate would die to have backing them. The Democratic machine will gladly fight for him, and he'll have a heck of a lot of grassroots support if the size of the crowds he's drawing is any indication of voter turnout for him in the GE.

[reggie the dog]

56. new?

How long has he been in politics, over 10 years, before his stint in DC he was in Springfield, the state capitol of Illinois.

[Emit]

61. I had never heard of him until '04 when he spoke at the DNC

and, I follow politics more than most, so, yeah, new. New to the National scene.

[reggie the dog]

69. ok

he is not new in Chicago.

[jconner27]

24. My concern is toughness

If Obama supporters think what the Clintons are saying about Obama are atacks, wait until they see what the other side has in store for him.

[MadBadger]

39. Neutral my ass.

[jconner27]

42. Don't get mad if I don't drink the kool aid

I never claim to be neutral, I'm good with either of them but it looks like you guys are new to the whole idea the Republicans will play nice.

[MadBadger]

63. I also didnt respond to you

[GoldieAZ49]

51. you are right, all hype

he has everyone all hyped up about turning the page on old politics and division that keeps this country deadlocked.

He has hyped up the youth vote

He has hyped up the educated vote

He has hyped up the male vote

He has hyped up the white collar vote

He has hyped up the interracial vote

He has hyped up the blue collar vote

He has hyped up the female vote

He is going to win the nomination and the general election

[Thrill]

9. You're kidding yourself

They would clearly rather face Hillary. Because they know it would be hard as hell for her to win Independent voters and Men voters. Don't fool yourself

[jconner27]

15. Why would they want to face Hillary?

I have been hearing this talking point since 2004 why would the Republicans want to run against Hillary? If anything the right wants her to win so they can bitch about her nonstop and get paid for it. Before Bill Clinton Rush was just another racist fatass on the radio now he's a fatass stting in his mansion brought by attacking Bill Clinton for eight years. Who knew Sean Hannity before jumping on hating the Bill Clinton train? And where was Ann Coulter prior to the sex change before she made her career writing books about how Bill Clinton was the son of the devil? As for independent voters you mean the same ones who rushed to vote for Bush in 2004 and those same independent voters that still view John McCain favorably despite the fact McCain been up Bush's ass since 2000? Sorry I don't have much faith in the independent voters, Brain from Family Guy summed up "independent voters well, they're stupid sheep that follow empty slogans.

[SoCalDem]

10. Liking one, is not hating the other

Some days you wear the jeans..some days you choose the Dockers..Both are nice pants..

[HeraldSquare212]

14. After we had to put up with all the anti-Obama swarms by Hillary supporters,

you would dare to warn us about harsh reality? Hillary supporters choked this board with repetitive nonsense for days on end. Obama and his supporters thrived through that garbage - so don't tell us we haven't been tested.

[jconner27]

18. Ha really now?

Boy you Obama supporters must be new to the current state of American politics? If you guys whine about doubts and petty negative comments regarding Obama what you going to do when the right goes after him night and day and trust me they will do more than say words have no meaning and speeches isn't results. They will attack every aspect of Barack, they will attack his name, they will attack his family and don't be shock when the Republicans start the racist campaign in the south against him. Tested you haven't seen anything yet. This kid stuff compare to what those bastards have in mind.

[HeraldSquare212]

19. Right - the Hillary folks were holding back for the sake of party.

Nice try.

[jconner27]

21. Who doesn't want to win?

Man you Obama supporters are worst than anime fan boys.. If you don't want to see what's coming fine don't be shocked when every media outlet turns against him, whatever lie the Republicans create stick to him, don't be shocked people falls for it.

[HeraldSquare212]

22. thanks - we beat Clinton, and we'll beat the Reps the same

[jconner27]

Sure you will

Maybe you should check what Krugman wrote about the Clinton rules. Don't expect adoring media whores when Barack actually wins.

[jconner27]

27. Sure you will

Maybe you should check what Krugman wrote about the Clinton rules. Don't expect adoring media whores when Barack actually wins.

[adabfree]

33. wow...you're pretty bitter.. Hillary is losing...just accept it..

[jconner27]

37. Bitter?

Again I like them both believe it or not, it's just I don't like his supporters very much so I don't hold it against him. And if he wraps it up then he wraps it up, our goal is making sure the right don't get away with sliming him like they did with Gore,Cleland and Kerry. And we have to be prepare for the attacks from the RNC and their allies in the media. Because no one is going to help him clear his record once that narrative about him is set, the media will have no problems with repeating it as fact. Last time I check we're all Democrats and we're all fighting for the same goal making sure Sean Hannity is being talked down from a ledge of a very tall building when Barack Obama wins the White House and the Democrats win a larger majority in both houses. If you guys take what I wrote as an attack then I'm sorry, I want to win much as u do. I like Sen. Obama and I will go on the record and say I will support him if he wins.

[adabfree]

60. ok cool...loved the Hannity Line..I despise that dude!

[Shakespeare]

17. What an utterly incomprehensible rant.

Try high school. The education will do wonders for you.

[Name removed]

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[Shakespeare]

23. Seriously, did you read what you wrote?

It's incomprehensible. If that's too big a word for you, I'll make it simple: your mashup of incomplete sentences, misspellings, and utter lack of logic all add up to a bunch of babble that makes no sense.

Oh, and I'm not an Obama supporter. You just simply do not make sense, and I get sick of seeing that shit around here on both sides.

[jconner27]

26. Is that all you got??

Again, sir or lady (probably lady) it seems when tools can't fight the content they go the petty ass route don't address one damn thing but bitch about the "writing" and dear lady you have done that. If I am wrong on my thoughts on Sen. Obama then prove me wrong, if you think I'm lying about him voting to fund the war prove me wrong. If you think I'm lying about his supporters twisting Bill Clinton's fairy tale comment prove otherwise. Instead you haven't you have taken the typical right winger route when they can't address one thing you went err your writing sucks, well guess what miss I checked out some of your fellow Obamaites post so I wouldn't talk about anyone. And have a nice day Ms. D-bag

[Shakespeare]

28. I'll repeat, since you missed it the first time.

I'm not an Obama supporter. Got that yet?

Your rant is nonsensical, and you embarrass yourself.

[Name removed]

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[Shakespeare]

30. You can keep calling me names (in violation of DU rules)...

...or you can rephrase your original rant in a way that makes sense. If you do that, then I'll respond. If not, you're not worth the time at the keyboard. I don't debate with anybody who doesn't have a basic grip on the English language.

[jconner27]

31. Again is that all you have?

Again I sure hope you give that little nugget of advice to the Obamaites. Again if you want to take the right winger route fine by me. Don't run to the refs when I'm just calling you by your proper name.

[Shakespeare]

67. Again, is that all YOU have?

Your original post makes no sense. Got it? You're rambling, and your rant makes no sense whatsoever (and I'm hardly the only person on this thread who has pointed this out). If you can find a way to express yourself in some literate manner, then I'll address your points.

It's also incredibly funny that a newbie is accusing me of being a rightwinger. And if you think "whore" or "douchebag" or "tool" is appropriate to use here, I suggest you take a gander at your posts that have been deleted. Grow up, try to write intelligently, and stop the name-calling.

[anamandujano]

75. Try again Shakespeare. I read it just fine.

[Shakespeare]

80. My hearty congratulations to you.

It's still a steaming pile of illiterate bullshit.

[reggie the dog]

57. way to go

I do not agree with the OP but insulting people because of how they write or their level of education will do what to win the votes of the people in this country who never finished high school or who never went to the university? Frankly I do not care if people use proper grammer, if they have a high school diploma or not. My concern is that the Democrats provide them with a reson for them to vote Democrat and that they people realize their own interests will be best served by voting Democrat and that they actually do go vote Democrat on election day.

[Shakespeare]

68. If you want to persuade people on a discussion board, a place where people WRITE, then...

....you'd do well to at least try for a little literacy. I couldn't care less about the occasional misspelling, but the OP is a rambling jumble of nonsense.

[Metric System]

35. If Obama loses the GE, ObamaNation will blame the Clintons because everything is their fault.

[LadyVT]

40. Yep

[long_green]

44. the "general election" tactic is bankrupt

the "only Hillary can win in November" spin has been blown to smithereens. I don't know if Obama can win in November but HRC is absolute toast.

[jconner27]

47. Alright I started something so I have to end it..

Listen people,

My main goal is to get a Democrat in office if it's Sen.Obama then so be it, I got caught up in this dumb ass civil war between Obama supporters and Hillary supporters we're all democrats or have you all fuckin forgot? Granted I support Hillary Clinton but if it's not her time then it's not her time all I care about going into the fall and winning the White House and building on the majority in both houses that's the bottom line. And if Obama wraps it up in the next few weeks and become the the clear cut top dog and I will back him 100%. We can't take McCain likely because I doubt the Republicans will give up power that easy regardless if it's McCain. And we need to be prepared for anything I'm begging you Obama supporters be ready for it because things are going to change(no pun) for Obama. Expect something nasty from the Republicans I do.

[quakerboy]

48. Thanks for that bit of "harsh reality"

But heres the "straight skinny"..

Obamites are getting used to the attacks. Hillary and her supporters are bringing it. And all of their(our) "whining"? Thats them "defending" our candidate. And, at least so far, its working. You know how they leap to defend him from each little smudge? Think they are just going to stop just cause its mean ol McCain attacking instead of mean younger Clinton? Nope.

In the mean time... whats the difference? Was the media somehow going to suddenly play nicer for Hillary? So they attack the Democratic candidate. So what?

[jconner27]

50. Be ready

What the Clintons are saying about Obama is going to look like praise compare to what the right wing media will say..Just be ready for anything.

[quakerboy]

54. Its already started

2 in one day.. the al quaida CC, the Osama picture. Im sure worse is to come, but its already started. But its not going to fly.

Not this time.

[thoughtcrime1984]

53. Looks like one run-on sentence

Simma don na





Are you going to be a Dem when you wake up tomorrow? Are you?

[reggie the dog]

55. way to go

the Obama virus???? Look at voter turnout in the primaries this time around. This is not a virus, it is a great example of democracy. You do not need help from the media to win an election, you need grass roots support. By saying that you are sane because you support Clinton and that supporters of Obama are insane you are helping to uproot the grass roots. How do you want to encourage people that voted Obama in the primaries to vote for whatever Democratic nominee wins the nomination by insinuating that they are insane? What is your goal?

[depakid]

58. It's going to be an interesting wake up call, that's for sure

You can't reach out to those who only want to cut your arm off.

Reading some of the threads around here lately, I've come to the conclusion that's another lesson that has to be learned the hard way.

[Beausoir]

66. Obama supporters had better get ready. The GOP is going to tear him to pieces.

[FrenchieCat]

59. Break up your paragraphs next time.......

That was one of the reason this was torture to read.

Apart from that, your tortured reasoning didn't quite hit the spot for me.....at all!

Not worth more than that from me as a comment. :shrug:

[Egnever]

62. Vote for McCain if you want to

If you feel its the right thing to do, do it. It doesnt make you a bad person to follow your heart.

Even if others think your heart lost its mind.

[Infinite Hope]

65. I won't stay home. I'll vote against her. n/t

[Seabiscuit]

70. You've laid out a few of the reasons why

I refer to the DU invaders as Obamanoids.

I have as little respect for their behavior here as I have for the freepers that come here to be tombstoned. They have so much in common I'm never sure whether I'm seeing freepers everywhere or nasty ignorant juvenile assholes who have succumbed to some new kind of mind-numbing rapture just by listening to the Obama baptist preacher-style traveling missionary platitude circus for too long.

I've got over 300 of them on "ignore" but it's like "whack-a-mole": as soon as I eliminate one from my screen, two more pop up.

They've turned this forum into a putrid cesspool.

I'm no Hillary supporter, but I don't see that kind of behavior from her supporters on DU.

If this board on DU were my only source of information and impressions about politics, I'd quit the Democratic party and never vote again.

But you know what? After this election, regardless of what happens, I have this gut feeling that the hundreds, if not thousands of asswipes who have poisoned this boards will just *poof*, disappear forever.

[Guava Jelly]

71. OMFG

Do you actually believe this?

[anamandujano]

73. Awesome argument,

for a 5 year old.

[Guava Jelly]

79. Awesome reply,

from another 5 year old

[anamandujano]

72. I can understand your writing just fine. I read it a little slower because

you put a lot in each paragraph. I like your style and I like what you said.

I don't understand why you like Obama. He stood on the floor of the senate during Barbara Boxer's challenge of the vote (after Kerry conceded so fast he gave everyone whiplash), and said that there was no doubt in his mind that Bush won fair and square. I knew I'd never forgive him for that.

Now seeing what an empty suit he is, except for his Repuke stance on many important issues, and "debating" his starry eyed willfully ignorant supporters, I actually loathe the guy.

I don't think he is going to be any different than McCain on the war. He has plans for perma war. He just describes it differently. Healthcare will remain the same, well, actually it will continue the downward spiral.

Our last chance this time around is Hillary. She will do right by the country. She is a workhorse. You are right, they do not want to run against her. She will change things and they don't want that.

It's taking some energy but I still haven't bought into the mass psychosis that she is finished. The media and the Obama's DU thugs have been trying to get her to step down for a long time. They are afraid to let the process play out. Maybe I'm still in denial about the extensive number of spineless politicians who get easily strong armed into falling in lockstep with the media hype. I feel like we're re-living the 2000 debacle in Florida, where the legislature had plans to give the state to Bush no matter how the vote went.

Obama reminds me of a sort of false advertising. You know when you go to buy your favorite shampoo and you see that the bottle is a third smaller in size and the price has been raised, the print on it reads "new larger size" and "greater value"? You just stand and stare thinking, "should I believe what I'm reading or should I believe my own eyes."

[sendero]

76. Or should you believe HRC's words, or her deeds?

HRC voted for the IWR, for Patriot, for Kyl-Lieberman. After each vote she carefully crafts a statement saying, in effect, "my vote doesn't mean what it means". She tries to have it both ways. Tell you what, if a person is going to say one thing and do another, I'm going to credit what they DO every time. Words are cheap.

Sounds like someone I know, always promising one thing and doing another. His approval rating is 19% right now.

[anamandujano]

78. Hello, Mr anti-dumb-war voted to fund same dumb war every time.

He will keep this war going as long as McCain. Read his plans at his website.

As far as having to explain what was really meant by some words, people in glass houses, ya know?

[Eurobabe]

81. C'ya!

#122

[Adelante]

82. Play a game - Pretend You Are An Obama Supporter Today

Read through DU as an Obama supporter. At the end of the day, you would be able to post your OP fresh with the names changed.

[dionysus]

83. correct grammar and punctuation, try it sometime....