I am really sick of this shit from MSNBC that HRC campaign has been negative.

[jasmine621]

If anything is true about this primary is that the Obama campaign has been very negative against Hillary and has caused much more lont-term damage to the Dem party with their race-baiting, distortions, and smearing. They, with the help of the media, have made a permanent schism between any other Dem candidate and the black voter and now they are doing the same with Hispanics. All the shit that is being thrown at Hillary and Bill Clinton will comeback to haunt us big time in the GE in 2008 and in the elections to come. I am just appaled that this could happen to our party and I don't see a real healing process even if we all decide to vote for the Dem nominee. The scars are there and they are pretty deep.

[K Gardner]

1. Errrr... wow.

[goclark]

44. Errrr ....excuse me!

:bounce:

[CorpGovActivist]

57. Er...yeah, that's what I said.

Um, do you think the OP realizes that those are exit poll results?

You tell the OP.

:hide:

[Renew Deal]

2. Forget about MSNBC, the voters in Wisconsin think Hillary was negative.

Who Attacked Unfairly
Wisconsin Democratic Voters
Clinton did 54%
Obama did 34

[DUyellow]

13. NO... it is MSNBC's fault..... LOL I do not care what your # say....

:sarcasm:

[greguganus]

23. But MSNBC doesn't count! n/t

[jasmine621]

17. Look at how the question was framed. And after painting HRC as negative

by the media all day and all night. No one can say anthing about Obama that doesn't get labeled as "negative." Even a lot of stuff that Hillary has not said but that the media initiates gets attributed to her as an attack on Obama.

[Renew Deal]

22. What Hillary did yesterday was profoundly negative.

Hillary lost late deciders too.

[apocalypsehow]

24. Voters don't count, unless they support HRC. Where have you been?

:sarcasm:

[VolcanoJen]

3. Ummmm....

:shrug:

[CorpGovActivist]

59. .

[Blue-Jay]

4. Don't confuse DU posters with the Obama campaign.

[Kahuna]

5. It hasn't been??

:banghead:

[Occam Bandage]

6. It has been. Even the Economist is picking up on it.

[meow mix]

7. uhhhhhhhh right.. im beginning to understand hillarys supporters now.

its starting to make sense.

[darknemus]

8. Seriously.. you're not like, drinking, or anything?

Umm, should we point out the plagiarism claims? The "speeches, not substance" stuff? What's happening to 'our party' is a wave of change. I, for one, am loving it.

[Skittles]

9. I don't see the Obama campagn as being negative so much

as I see the MSM in general being negative towards Hillary - and certainly a lot of DUers

[anamandujano]

39. The Obama campaign has lobbed accusations of racism over every sentence fragment.

They don't want Hillary to talk at all.

[Divernan]

45. Listen to your extreme self - "every sentence fragment"

It sounds like you are desperately lashing out to avoid facing the fact that at one point the nomination was Clinton's to lose, and that's what she has done. And don't blame the drop in the polls, or the out-of-control, bankrupted budget; or that bloated overpaid consultant who ripped her off for unconscionable fees, on Obama.

Harry Truman had it right: "The buck stops here." As as to her campaign, the buck stops with her. I've defended the Clintons for years - I bought their books (in hardback) even. She let me down and I found a new candidate. She's let you down,too, and the person you're really furious with is Hilary Rodham Clinton. One significant clue that she has not been straight with her own supporters is that she had to hide her tax returns. Follow the money - what was the source of income for her or her husband which she refuses to reveal?

[stevietheman]

47. Nonsense, and you know it. n/t

n/t

[tridim]

10. Is today opposite day?

[cali]

11. I'm afraid your bias is leading you to look at this in a very

erroneous way. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with her having attacked Obama, but she has gone negative.

[stillcool]

12. oy...

Play it again Sam....

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.

Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_adviser_harold_ickes_t.php

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

[kikiek]

14. Yup..that is the big question mark. Continued support for the Dem nominee. Problem isn't just the

media. It is the followers of Obama who have disparaged and disrespected a remarkable, highly intelligent, highly qualified woman. It has gone beyond forgivable.

[gerrilea]

20. Absolutely agree with you here...unfortunately!

[PretzelWarrior]

15. not even close. you are really seeing things way off

Obama never brought race into this. Just witness the deplorable and cheap tactics in the last THREE DAYS from Clinton to see how nasty she can get.

[MADem]

16. GENERAL ELECTRIC wants the weaker candidate to go up against McCain.

They want McCain to win the Presidency. They will shape their coverage to influence that result.

It's all about their bottom line, and every single one of those "million dollar" talking heads -- and yes, they pay those assholes obscenely to spout that shit (souls don't come cheap, ya know) -- has gotten their marching orders.

Get the Weaker One to the General. McCain WILL trounce.

You watch--as soon as it becomes "inevitable" McCain will start getting the "shot from below"--the one that makes him look taller and more majestic. You'll hear about what a HERO he is. The sound guys covering him will give him the BEST audio, the cameramen covering him will give him the Barbara Walters lens. He'll look....beee-yooooo-teeee-full!!!

[Occam Bandage]

27. Then why is McCain bashing Obama nonstop tonight? Why would he want to torpedo him?

[MADem]

48. UH....because McCain wants to WIN? Ya THINK? And BO is a handy punching bag?

The script has been written. GE is determined to torpedo Clinton. They believe, as does McCain, that she's on the ropes and will not recover.

McCain can't lose by assuming Obama is the nominee, and talking trash about him, even if he ends up not being "The One."

McCain CAN'T go after Clinton full bore--he would look ungentlemanly, and he actually has a collegial relationship with her--they have done CODELS to Iraq together. He'd feel like a shit. It would show on his face. He'd look like a bully, too.

So, he can beat up on Obama, and look like a tough guy, and not be perceived as a meanie--after all, he's the Old Man. Barack is the YOUNG guy. He's a handy Democratic punching bag, a useful foil, no matter how it plays out.

GE wants the contest to be McCain v. Obama because they believe--no, they "KNOW"--that they can clean Obama's clock.

They are certain that the GOP will easily swiftboat the shit out of Obama, and if that doesn't work, they'll DIEBOLD him.

And, at the end of the day, it'll be the Tonight Show....Heeeeeeeeere's JOHNNY!!!!! Say hello to President Popeye.

That's the game plan.

[Clinton Crusader]

43. Spot on Correct, MADem!!

This Bud's for you!
:toast:

[jillan]

18. It's no wonder that they can't beat CNN in the ratings, and that AC has been rated #1 among

progressives.

The only thing good about msnbc is Dan Abrams.

[blocker]

19. Truth hurts

truth hurts my darling! another nail in the clinton coffin..gotta love it!

[Yael]

21. "the scars are deep"

From a 90 day campaign?

[Divernan]

54. Jasmine's only been here 5 WEEKS (but 1312 posts)

Typical of Hillary's campaign - assigning Jasmine to DU so late in the game. Analagous to the Clinton campaign just looking up the Texas caucus rules last week.

[bunnies]

25. You might want to come out from under that rock.

The first negative Dem commercial-- HRC. The most negative campaign -- HRC. Have you missed the pundits talking about the Clinton negative plan? They're trying it out in WI. Ever heard of politics?

Im stopping now. I cant believe youre that naive. I cant believe anyone on DU is that naive. Poor Bill and Hillary? :rofl: I admire their ability to inspire sympathy... all things considered.

[HeraldSquare212]

26. Huh?

[greguganus]

28. LEAVE HILLARY ALONE!!!

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Lerkfish]

29. what color is the sky in your world?

are there flying pigs?

[Thrill]

30. Have you seen the Hillary ads and her on the stump this week?

She has been really really negative

[WilyWondr]

31. Its almost like a cult, huh?

:crazy:

[mtnsnake]

32. It really is frustrating

A lot of us share your pain, jasmine, maybe not a lot from DU but a lot of people outside of DU feel just the same. It's one thing that Hillary has to go up against Obama, but another that she's also got so much of the corporate media against her, too.....plus the Right Wing because they want her to lose so they can have a cake walk against Obama in the General Election. She's a fighter, though, so she won't let the media beat her without a battle.

[Medusa]

42. Poor little Hillary

she's just a regular martyr isn't she? Please, crying has worked for her. Lying hasn't worked for her. Going negative hasn't worked for her. What does she have left? Nada. Nothing.

[mtnsnake]

50. Get lost ya little twit

and go support your idol McCain at freeeperworld

[anamandujano]

33. They are truly nauseating. You must remember how they kept repeating

that Gore said he invented the internet after they twisted his words.

You must remember Tweety framing the election as the best guy to have a beer with.

It's been open season on Hillary for the primaries. If Obama gets the nom, it'll be open season on him.

This has been the best thing to happen to Repukes since the OJ Simpson trial. Divide and conquer wins every time.

I pulled the plug on them after 2000. It's not much to them but, in addition to their losing a subscriber (almost 8 years now), they have to have spent a fortune mailing me their "join us again" literature.

[x-g.o.p.er]

34. You're fuckin' kidding, right?

Right?

[cd3dem]

35. What Obama people and the DNC do NOT realize is that the democratic party ground runners are running

and will be disengaged from the party after this! I am a party ground runner and am one of the active local members... without people like myself... there will be no literature dropped at your door... no one making calls.. no plans.. no fund raisers... no events.. and we who are on the ground..... are not happy with our election being jacked....

#1 I blame Dean for allowing the media and Obama to slash and burn the Clintons on race... swiftboating gone a muck in the party...

#2 The media for not doing what they are paid to do, show the news!

#3 Obama staging himself by giving phony speeches and I bet busing in attendees..

#4 Obama creating rage among the democrats that if not elected, his supporters will not vote..

#5 Dean, the DNC, and Obama disenfranchising Michigan and Florida

#6 The democrats who continue to cheer when republicans fix the race by crossing party lines and voting for Obama...

#7 Disgusted with the tactics of the Obama people at caucuses and at democrat events, such as disrupting Clinton rallies.

#8 Super-Delegates who have a score to settle.

#9 Uninformed voters.

#10 (what else is left?) The loss of my human rights when McCain is our next president...

[Warren Stupidity]

49. Your post seems oddly familiar. It is as if I just read it somewhere else.

[Divernan]

51. We don't NEED the old party hacks & the old way of doing things

And it wasn't YOUR election to be highjacked. See, this is a primary. That means multiple people get to put their names forward.

If your "ground runners" are acting in some official Dem party capacity during a primary, and yet chose to devote yourselves to a single candidate, that was your incorrect choice. Now you're terrified that if Clinton doesn't get the party's nomination, you will be replaced. And I think that's a good thing. Because your whole approach to campaigning is about ten years out of date. Clinton with her $2,000 a head fundraiser dinners, and her overpaid consultants, and her free coffee mugs if people sign vote promises. Have you figured out yet that it didn't work?

Obamas people have gotten out MORE literature, made MORE calls, made BETTER plans, raised MORE funds, had BETTER, more EFFECTIVE events, opened MORE offices and generally run multiple rings around the Clinton campaign. YOu know how politics work. You could have stayed neutral through the primary. But you chose a side. If your side loses, hasta la vista whatever your oh-so-important little title, and your state committee meetings, etc.

The last two presidential campaigns I worked on in PA, the Ward Chairs did next to nothing in my area. Most of them were too old to get out and hustle. They did NOT hand out literature even in their own neighborhoods, let alone elsewhere. They did not have a network to get yardsigns out. The extent of their "efforts" was to let us put a yard sign in their own yard. About all they do for elections is show up for the free election night parties.

[backscatter712]

36. You really need to take your thorazine... n/t

[anamandujano]

41. It's going to be fun watching your rude awakening.

[angie_love]

37. Ummmm wow ok that post is abit delusional

Listen to yourself. What has Obama said about hispanics that is negative? Also how did he go so negative? Was it not Hillary who launched those negative attack ads is WI? Was it not Bill Clinton who compared Barack to Jesse Jackson? Was it not Hillary who said they might take Obama's pledged delegates and then retracted taht statement after they knew it wasn't going over well? Was it not Hillary saying Obama "plagerized" when Deval gave him permission to use those words? I would like specifics. You make these rash generalities based on your emotions. I don't understand your OP's at all. Can I ask how old you are?

[TexasObserver]

38. Hillary has been negative since Iowa, and she's gotten worse every day.

MSNBC is not making her go negative. That is who she is. Cross, negative, and paranoid bordering on schizo.

[gmudem]

40. When has the Clinton campaign NOT been negative?

That's what I'd like to know.

[Warren Stupidity]

46. They must be reading DU's GDP.

Only possible explanation.

[burythehatchet]

52. oh, I know, it's opposite day!!

[NashVegas]

53. I'm Of Two Minds

While I think it's *horrible* for the Democratic Party and the 2008 election, believe it or not, I think if what has transpired over the last month were to continue for seven more, it may do the *country* some good.

There are and have been a lot of un-aired grievances on the part of probably every ethnic, age, and gender group that have come up in this forum. Some legit, some not. These are issues that media filters and, at times, common decency have refrained from airing in public.

I think unleashing those frustrations for this campaign is actually a good exercise, in the long run.

[DemGa]

55. It's causing a huge split in the party

I can't believe the negativity I've seen from the Obama-sham movement against Hillary.

But as I, and many others have pointed out here: Obama sought to use the right-wing attacks of the nineties to his advantage -- the ugliness therefore starts at the top of Obama's fraudulent "production."

Lord help us if this sham gets the nomination - and it's not looking good.

[Califooyah Operative]

56. truth hurts. nt

[AgadorSparticus]

58. You think there's a split in the party b/c of THIS? Seriously??

You missed the boat on the split yrs ago. That's why we are moving further and further to the right as a whole. Notice the dangling carrot of impeachment. But there will never be impeachment. Nor will there ever be any such accountability for whatever the reason the media spin machine wants to pull out of its ass...

[casus belli]

60. The OP, however, just smacks of sunshine and smiley faces, n/t