I feel I need to weigh in on the Plagiarism

[Monty__]

I'm a college professor who was accused of plagiarism on my dissertation. The charges were completely unfounded and it turned out the person who filed the complaint was jealous that my work was on the fast track to publication while hers was not (10 years after she finished her dissertation).

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is this. Plagiarism is a serious accusation. I'm not an Obama supporter but was convinced by his answer on Ed Schultz yesterday. If Patrick was ok with it, it's not plagiarism. This needs to stop or the party will fall apart.

[JuniperLea]

1. Obama himself said it best...

He should have credited the source... I've been saying this all along.

[Levgreee]

4. But he didn't say it was "plagarism" if he didn't credit the source while he spoke, because it ISNT

[JuniperLea]

8. Of course he didn't!

Why would he shoot himself in the foot like that??!??!!?

If it weren't plagiarism, there would be no need to credit the source!


:eyes:

[Levgreee]

11. There isn't a need, a necessity, to credit the source.Plagarism is a legal term,you should learn it

[MonkeyFunk]

21. Actually

I don't believe it's a legal term.

Has anyone been criminally charged for plagiarism? There's breach of copyright, but plagiarism?

[JuniperLea]

23. Actually, I deal with copyrighted materials every day...

And I'm more fully aware than the average person as to the definition of plagiarism.

Obama himself said just yesterday that he should have credited the source. So, who am I to believe, you? Or Obama?

Please.

[GarbagemanLB]

30. Can you imagine the spin Hillary would put on it if the tables were turned? Obama is honest.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

2. I agree, Obama was very open about it.

[Benhurst]

3. Yeah, so much for the plagiarism charges and so much for

the "new" ideas. "Hope" is about as original as Donald Trump's "You're fired!", and no more likely to obtain a copyright.

[sloppyjoe25s]

5. And Hillary took "Take Back America" from Pat Buchanan

which is sad itself. See:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4660684

[RBInMaine]

7. Jerry Brown also used "Take Back America" in 1992.

[Benhurst]

16. God only who first coined "take back America".

My guess: George III.

[JuniperLea]

24. So did Stephanie Miller.... eom

[LisaM]

6. Well, on Ed Schultz, Obama said, "I used his riff!"

Ack! Why did he say something so dorky?

[Moochy]

13. Clever or inventive commentary or remark

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Riffing

1. Music A short rhythmic phrase, especially one that is repeated in improvisation.
2. A clever or inventive commentary or remark: "Those little riffs that had seemed to have such sparkle over drinks ... look all too embarrassing in cold print" John Richardson.
intr.v. riffed, riff·ing, riffs Music
To play or make riffs.

[LisaM]

14. I KNOW what a riff is. I just thought it sounded stupid for Obama to say that.

It just sounded corny. What's he going to do next, VAMP? (please don't send me the definition; I actually know what vamp means too).

[Moochy]

17. Just trying to help those who maybe thought it was limited to music

I thought it sounded APPROPRIATE given the 2nd definition, which I for one was not sure existed.
cheers!

[Qutzupalotl]

9. Obama seems to keep his cool under fire.

What Biden went through in '88 must have crossed his mind. I would feel confident to have an unflappable nominee.

[TexasObserver]

10. I was on committee reviewing plagiarism allegations against grad students working on their doctorate

Some of the charges were brought and pushed by other grad students who were jealous and spiteful. But we had to sort through them all. Most were without merit. It's a serious charge, and should not be thrown around so loosely, and certainly not in the current context.

I am for Obama, but it would be just as silly and wrong to claim Hillary is plagiarizing Obama every time she steals his lines.

[ShortnFiery]

12. Thank you. As a lowly masters level puke :-), I know that plagiarism allegations are serious

in the wide, wonderful world of academia. I'm glad you were able to resolve this crisis. I also remember my Professors strongly reminding me to cite EVERYTHING that is not original within my thesis. However, such work (Physiological Psychology), for the Average hard working American, proves to be MUNDANE (boring!) reading material.

Thank-you for weighing in today. :thumbsup: :hi:

[Mabus]

15. I wish there had been this much attention when the British plagiarized

the work of a graduate student's research paper in their Iraqi intelligence report.

Feb. 6, 2003, 2230 hrs, PST, (FTW) - A story is sweeping the world tonight and it says a great deal about those who are forcing the world into a war it does not want. The famed dossier presented by British Prime Minister Tony Blair to his Parliament was plagiarized from two articles and a September 2002 research paper submitted by a graduate student. Worse, the Iraq described by the graduate student is not the Iraq of 2003 but the Iraq of 1991. So glaring was the theft of intellectual property that the official British document even cut and pasted whole verbatim segments of the research paper, including grammatical errors, and presented the findings as the result of intense work by British intelligence services.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell both praised and quoted that same British report in his presentation at the United Nations yesterday.

It is important that readers see and understand the enormity of this violation of public trust for themselves. The story was first broken by Britain's Channel 4 today and it is appearing in more papers and web sites by the hour. The following links lead directly to the Channel 4 story, to the British "intelligence" report and to the original student paper.

What was also disclosed was that certain portions of the academic report were altered by the PM Tony Blair to make them more inflammatory. In one cited instance Blair changed "aiding opposition groups" to "supporting terrorists."

The Channel 4 story is at:
http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/02/week_1/06_dossier.html

more at link: http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/020603_plagiarized.html

Sometimes, using someone else's work and passing it off as your own matters more than other times. As far as I'm concerned the Obama thing is overblown and of little importance. Especially when it is compared to an act of plagiarism that has cost lives.

[BlackVelvet04]

18. The argument being made is that it's what politicians do....

I thought Obama was going to change politics as usual. It's not even that I think it's plagiarism, I just think it's dishonest to let everyone think he's so smart and inspirational when he stole most of it from someone else.

Change my ass.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. He "stole" two quotes and two words.

It was a single rhetorical argument.

BV, when we say Obama is going to change things, we don't mean he's going to turn the sky green and make hot snow fall up.

We mean he's not going to be the kind of politician that makes up false charges like plagiarism and smear the opposition with it.

That's the sort of change we're talking about.

[ShortnFiery]

26. The Obama Campaign could combine an entire sh*t load of non-attributable lines ole HRC has given.

But the Obama Campaign, unlike HRC's shameless surrogates, are not that SMARMY. That's what Obama was addressing in his second book, "The Audacity of Hope." Perhaps you should read it?

The American People are disgusted with "divide and conquer" political dirty tricks that only serves the Status Quo political elites, NOT The Average Middle Class American. :thumbsdown:

[BlackVelvet04]

28. He IS the status quo....n/t

[BlackVelvet04]

27. sure....

sounded to me like his whole campaign was based on someone else's. And please, he's done his share of smearing...he just uses surrogates to do it.

[redqueen]

19. Thank you.

[Carolina]

22. exactly, and another

larger point that Team Hillary and the peddlers of this non-story seem to miss is that Obama's comments were meant to show how foolish HRC's "words are cheap" remark was.

Quoting famous words, words that moved and inspired a nation, and asking "just words?" was smack at Hillary's stupidity.

If words are cheap, why does she bother with speeches at all?!

[Adelante]

25. Thank you for speaking up

Much appreciated.

[in_cog_ni_to]

29. The point is... He did not tell anyone those words weren't HIS. His entire campaign revolves around

supposedly inspirational speeches. If anything, he's a fraud.

The PROBLEM is, the Deval Patrick/Obama time lines don't MESH. They're lying:

Part 1:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/deval-patricks.html

Part 2:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/just-words-part.html

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/friends-share.html

[Monty__]

31. He didn't?

Did you listen to his interview with Ed Schultz yesterday? He most certainly said they were Patrick's words.