Senator Clinton has destroyed goodwill with her supporters, superdelegates: Obama defections?

[CorpGovActivist]

Within my circle of family and friends, I have - over the course of the last year - heard many say, "I started out supporting Hillary. She lost my support."

That has been my own personal experience, too.

Has a single superdelegate defected FROM Obama, TO Clinton?

Or have they all beaten the same path as that so many others in my own circle have? FROM Clinton, TO Obama?

She's her own worst enemy. I no longer even advocate that she stay in the Senate now. That's a major shift for me. I want her OUT of our political arena. Let her go write a book - without a ghostwriter - about all the goodwill she lost, as http://www.despair.com/mis24x30prin.html">a cautionary tale for others who think they're owed a clear-shot coronation.

- Dave

P.S. I'd buy http://www.despair.com/los24x30prin.html">this one for Mark Penn.

[CorpGovActivist]

1. And one for those who raise questions (unthinkingly) about the plagiarizing "story"...

... http://www.despair.com/cluelessness.html">Despair has you covered, too.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

99. Ambition

http://www.despair.com/ambition.html">Sometimes, an inevitable campaign ends very, very badly.

[CorpGovActivist]

122. Hanging in Mark Penn's office?

http://www.despair.com/blame.html">Blame

[CorpGovActivist]

123. This is a big part of why she turned off voters in my extended family.

http://www.despair.com/overconfidence.html">Overconfidence

[CorpGovActivist]

125. Pretentious

http://www.despair.com/pretension.html">Hillary bears such a heavy burden.

[JimGinPA]

2. I Wish She Would Go AwayToo ...

But I think she's just too stubborn.

[CorpGovActivist]

3. Glad to see you're in PA. Send a message that she's NOT entitled to the Oval. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

103. That looks sort of near York, PA. Is it?

[NJmaverick]

4. I am one fo the people she lost

I would have been happy to vote for her, if she won the nomination. That was before I saw her, her family and her supporters in action.

You know for years I could never understand why the Clintons inspired such hatred. After all his policies were moderate, the Country did very well during his presidency. So why was there such venom and hate directed at them? Well I guess I am guilty of looking the other way. Consciously or unconsciously I didn't pick up the fact that they were employing the same tactics (be it less refined and not as dishonest) as Karl Rove. I was able to clearly see those refined tactics in Rove. It was something that angered me beyond belief. I felt those tactics were dishonest, unethical and immoral. I honestly felt those tactics hurt the Country and I have publicly stated as much.
Wouldn't I be a major league hyporcrite if I suddenly changed my views on these tactics? How can I have spent years saying how bad these tactics were, and then suddenly turn around and say they are OK because a Democrat is using them? The Clintons and her supporters are acting exactly as Bush and his supporters acted. There is no difference other than the R is now a D. I didn't engage in politics for personal gain or a lust for power. I wanted the Country to be better. I wanted it freed from the right wingers and the way they did things. While there is little doubt Hillary will be more liberal than George Bush, I see little reason she will be any more honest or ethical. These traits matter to me, maybe I am an idealist, but I have to think that my voice matters. It matters enough that I have to send a message to the candidates and their supporters that politics, as usual, is no longer acceptable. It's perhaps the biggest reason I am supporting Obama. He is has Carter's ethics and honesty combined with Reagan's leadership and charisma (even if he led the Country in the wrong direct, there is no arguing his ability to lead). He is what I want in a president.

[CorpGovActivist]

5. Extremely well said!

I deplore the Clintons' admiration for Rovish tactics.

Rules matter. The institutions (e.g., the party, the convention, etc.) matter.

The Clintons need to learn their proper place in American History.

- Dave

[noiretextatique]

6. can you please cite these "tactics" you speak of?

can you specify which tactics employed by clinton and her supporters are you referring to? thanks.

[NJmaverick]

8. Her are a few

Her plagerism charge

Her false alligations that Obama was soft on pro-choice

Her false claims that Obama took his anti Iraq war speech off his website

Her husbands blatant attempt to stir up racism in SC, amoung white voters

Her attack ads in Wisconsin

Do I need to list more?

[noiretextatique]

10. not really...thanks for the list

what do you think of obama's tactics? personally, i wish they'd both focus more on attacking bush's failures than each other. i find them both disappointing at this point.

[NJmaverick]

11. I consider Obama a good man, sure he has taken a few jabs

but it's clear he does it mostly in self defense. I am sure if the Clintons were not employing Rovian tactics, he wouldn't be taking any jabs. However all in all I think he has done a pretty good job carrying himself in an honorable manner.

[noiretextatique]

15. i disagree about self-defense

i think some of obama's tactics were offensive strategy to appeal to certain voters, and not always in an honorable manner. having said that, if he wins the nomination, i will vote for him.

[NJmaverick]

16. What specific actions or tactics are you refering to?

I have seem him very restrained when taking jabs at the other candidates. What have you seen that would put him on par with the Clintons and their attack machine?

[noiretextatique]

27. i am not that concerned with the attack machines of either candidate

to be honest. i am wondering how the party will unite for the GE, espeically if clinton is the nominee.

[CorpGovActivist]

28. She cannot count on my talent. Down-ticket Dems can. n/t

[NJmaverick]

41. I am afraid I have to insist

After all I honored your request. If you are going to accuse Obama of dirty politics, you owe an explanation (at the very least).

[noiretextatique]

45. i told you i don't like some things about his strategy

mcclurkin, invoking reagan (please don't bother parsing his comments...i know what he said), his vietnam and baby boomer comments come to mind. however, i see do understand it is strategy, not some evil plot.

[NJmaverick]

47. You stated that Obama should not attack Clinton

that he should focus his attacks on McCain. Yet the stuff you listed can not be reasonably considered as attacks on Hillary. Can you explain that inconsistency?

[noiretextatique]

49. i said both of the dem candidate should focus on bush's failures

instead of on attacking each other, and both have done that. and of course, some of obama's rhetoric is an attack on clinton and the democratic party. i understand why he does it...i just don't think it's accurate or entirely honest.

[NJmaverick]

60. What attacks are you refering to

That's my question.

[noiretextatique]

63. the pakistan comment?

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/12/28/213254/37

c'mon...it;'s poltitics...no one is "clean," not even obama.

[CorpGovActivist]

68. Obama is effective, and carries himself like a winner; in the GE, that will matter...

... in key swing states.

- Dave

[NJmaverick]

81. Why doesn't that link quote Obama

I mean if he attacked, I would think HIS words would be the most powerful. Instead I read a Hillary supportor accusing Obama of attacking. Based on their track record, that really isn't good enough for me.

[CorpGovActivist]

88. Yeah, they're just chock full of credibility in the Clinton Camp, eh? n/t

[noiretextatique]

133. i could give a shit about clinton or obama

edwards was the best candidate, hands down. i think obama and clinton will lose the GE, regardless of what the polls indicate. and even if he wins, the expectations he has created and those that have been foisted on him will undo.

[CorpGovActivist]

139. I still go back and forth on Edwards as Veep or AG...

... and Edwards was my top choice going into the voting. But he pulled out before I had a chance to seal the deal.

But Obama has a fighting chance of flipping some states that should still be blue back into the blue column, and taking some ripening, purplish-to-blue states like Virginia as well.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

149. I miss Edwards, too.

[noiretextatique]

132. his comment was made in public and there was the usual msm storm about it

you don't seem to know much about your savior...perhaps you should do some research on him instead of parroting rw memes about clinton.

[CorpGovActivist]

140. Why shouldn't we know more about the Clintons' $$$ dealings...

... beginning with the money Bill took, while still sitting President, for his library?

- Dave

[Cha]

95. Thanks for trying to get to the

bottom of that little exchange..sometimes it's like pulling teeth for an explanation of knee jerk attacks.

[CorpGovActivist]

67. Maybe he's just plagiarizing from the Clinton Playbook? n/t

[noiretextatique]

134. right, he's a GOD, not a politician eom

[CorpGovActivist]

138. No, he's a LEADER and a PUBLIC SERVANT, while she's...

... just a hack, IMO.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

119. .

[Yael]

42. If she is, I don't think it will.

[noiretextatique]

46. if she is, we will see how much of a uniter obama truly is eom

[Yael]

51. You misunderstood. If she steals this election via smoky room deals, arm twisting

and threats of lawsuits, I don't care where Obama lands. She won't get my vote and I am sure that there are plenty of other registered Democrats right behind me.

Oh, and forget the indies in that case as well.

People are tired of scorched-earth, win-at-any-cost.

No matter -- I don't believe that she is going to be our nominee. Although it wouldn't surprise me if she showed up on January 20th and demanded her coronation.

One thing is for certain. The Clinton team has never seen a loss of this magnitude. It will be interesting to see how they handle it.

[noiretextatique]

52. repeat: if she is the nominee

obama will have the opportunity to prove he is a uniter...as will his supporters.

[Yael]

59. He is a politician, not God Himself.

She divides people. As much as he can call for the democratic party to stand behind her, she steals this and she doesn't have my vote.

How hard is that to understand?

We unite behind him, she divides us.

Don't make him out to be immortal -- he is simply a politician trying to be the voice of the people.

[CorpGovActivist]

61. "We unite behind him, she divides us." Hammer meets nail. n/t

[noiretextatique]

62. oh for pete's sake

there is almost no difference between obama and clinton. i think obama is mature enough to accept defeat , but i do wonder about some of his supporters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4649774

[CorpGovActivist]

64. When will HRC show that maturity, and concede she's not the one we want? n/t

[noiretextatique]

135. speak for yourself

obama and clinton are two sides of the same coin.

[CorpGovActivist]

141. I'll grant you that she's a backside. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

101. Moot point. She won't be. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

104. "It will be interesting to see how they handle it." With grace and aplomb, I'm sure.

:sarcasm:

[CorpGovActivist]

102. The best way she can unite when she loses? Get off the stage, and take the Big Dawg...

... with her, out of the country, during the convention.

- Dave

[demokatgurrl]

26. The "Harold and Louise" mailer, or whatever

their names were, is a good example.

[noiretextatique]

32. a few things bothered me

the mcclurkin appaearance, the generational distortions, the reagan comments. my greater concern however, is i wonder if once the novelty of his campaign wears off...i wonder if he can actually win the GE.

[CorpGovActivist]

66. Map out Hillary's path to 270 Electoral College votes...

... without resorting to Mark Penn's fake math.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

75. More details? n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

76. What tactics of his have you found deplorable? n/t

[Nexus7]

92. Weak, very weak

She says things like he's soft on certain issues. Obama's camp says things like "she can't keep her own house in order, how can she keep the country in order?" thereby dredging up the Lewinsky thing. What a despicable thing to do.

Clinton stirred up racism? What nonsense! Racism entered this race when Oprah made the gratuitous reference to the "I have a dream." I have a dream? In a fight against Hillary? Thereby saying win one for the black man by voting against Hillary. That's where racism entered this race.

She ran attack ads? Hello, this is a political campaign. There will be attack ads. If there are ones that are demeaning or false, you might have a point.

Geez, how people have been brainwashed by a completely substance-free Obama campaign.

[CorpGovActivist]

93. Let me field this: the Clintons lie for political expediency; any "substance" is a mirage...

... subject to the whims and vagaries of whatever she thinks will get her elected or re-elected.

Many in the LGBT community, for example, know you can't trust a position either one takes in a race.

They're reaping precisely the crop they've sown.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

126. Where's the bran in Hillary's campaign? There's no substance.

[grantcart]

55. Here they are arranged by stage - we are now officially in Stage V

Stage I When you do not have the best position on the war - prevaricate

Stage II When you do not have the clear voice of leadership - triangulate

Stage III When you do not have the momentum - trivialize the election just lost

Stage IV When you do not have anywhere to go - instigate a smear on the supporters as unthinking cultists

Stage V When the supporters embrace the slur and turn it around - start backing up the dump truck and release a load
against the leader who has sparked a fire across the country.

Stage VI When this desperate tactic is reviled - step aside as the great locomotive of history barrels by you and you turn to watch history pass you by.

[CorpGovActivist]

65. I gave up the word for Stage II for Lent.

Thanks for the Lentish fix, though!

; )

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

124. .

[K Gardner]

12. She lost me many months ago, when the drug dealer meme started. Now I too want her OUT of

political view altogether. She doesn't deserve to serve and get paid for it after the campaign war she is waging.

[CorpGovActivist]

14. I'm surprised to find myself in this place, mentally: I want her OUT altogether. She is a hack. n/t

[NJmaverick]

48. It's understandable, we are seeing why the Clintons inspire so much hate

They don't play fair.

[CorpGovActivist]

56. Honestly, I was *almost* to a place where he was rehabbed; honestly, I was pleased...

... when she got the Senate seat, though I had misgivings about its being NY.

Now, I want them GONE from our political discourse. I want the page turned. Once and for all.

Let them take his questionable speaking fees and her ghostwritten royalties, and live it up - far, far away from any lever of political power.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

105. From January to mid-fall 07, I was in her camp n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

74. "the same tactics (be it less refined and not as dishonest) as Karl Rove"

Rove has stated he admires them, and considers them to be teachers, of a sort.

Whether he meant that tongue-in-cheek or not is anyone's guess.

- Dave

[noiretextatique]

7. curious...what exactly turned you and your family

into obama supporters? a poster in your thread mentioned clinton's "tactics" and i aked for specifics. if you would be so kind as to provide your specifics, i would appreciate it.

[CorpGovActivist]

9. Look at her website's policies section. That's a good start. Where she provides...

... specifics, I often find myself astonished that her "Experience" led her to the incrementalist position she espouses.

Where she dodges, she drives away.

Where she refuses to admit error, she closes the door to a return.

Where she outright lies about her record, she clicks the deadbolt.

She drove us away by her positions, by the SHRILL attitude of her surrogates and her own scoldings, etc.

I could spend a day discussing her goodwill-losing mis-steps.

- Dave

[noiretextatique]

13. obama's positions aren't much different

than clinton's are they? even with his change and hope rhetoric, obama admits that he is talking about change that is possible, with dialogue and inclusion.
in any case, i think either of them would be an improvement over bush. so, would you support clinton if she wins the nomination?

[CorpGovActivist]

17. I am focused on ensuring she's not the nominee. She doesn't deserve to sit where Truman sat. n/t

[noiretextatique]

24. i understand that. but if she is the nominee

what will you do? vote for mccain? write in a candidate? sit out the election?

[CorpGovActivist]

25. I will work hard for worthy candidates for Senate, House, Governor, etc.

But I will not write a single comma or jot for her.

- Dave

[noiretextatique]

29. thanks for your honesty

if many obama supporters share your opinion, i truly hope he wins the nomination. i would rather see obama in office than mccain. then again, i'd rather see clinton in office than mccain.

[CorpGovActivist]

30. Clinton CANNOT win Upper South/Appalachia/Border States...simple as that. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

31. Obama can beat McCain. Hillary cannot. Simple as that. n/t

[noiretextatique]

33. maybe...maybe not

i am not convinced yet.

[CorpGovActivist]

36. He has a fighting chance to do so. She has NONE WHATSOEVER...

... of carrying these vital states in the GE.

They're ripe to flip from purple to blue - with the right hand harvesting.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

97. Do you think Hillary is a better champion in swing states than Obama? n/t

[noiretextatique]

137. i think obamamania is going wear off

if he is the nominee, after the rw attack machine gets hold of him, especially in swing states. at least the clintons have already weathered that storm.

[CorpGovActivist]

143. "at least the clintons have already weathered that storm." Old sea captains, eh?

Not a compelling argument. Old sea captains have slower reflexes, and misjudge their ability to weather The Perfect Storm.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

100. Assuming, for the sake of argument...

... that there's no policy daylight between them, he wins for delivery of the message, and how that superior delivery will draw in independents and wayward Republicans.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

96. Just as important...

... is the distribution of my very large extended family: in flippable purplish states.

- Dave

[Whisp]

18. I am so looking forward to Thursday's debate.

Obama is a very smart man. I'm thinking he's going to pull out all his artillary and put her out of our misery for good if she starts her nonsense shit with him.

and then she'll cry....

[CorpGovActivist]

19. I've honestly had it with the double standard of how she's to be treated in the debates, too...

... and I hope that he lets her have it, good. Long overdue.

- Dave

[anamandujano]

84. Or stick his foot in his mouth or show his sexism again.

He can't help it.

[CorpGovActivist]

89. She's worn this threadbare meme out. So have her supporters.

[CorpGovActivist]

148. .

[CorpGovActivist]

150. Yipee! It's Thursday!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

20. Stop, you will make Hillary cry!

Leave Hillary alone!!!!!!!

[CorpGovActivist]

22. She better never debate me, then, because I debate to win. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

127. Real tears, or crocodiles? n/t

[Whisp]

21. she is Desparate to protect the Bush/Clinton legacy

and keep anyone else away from the keys to those file cabinets of reciprocal protection between the two houses, of heinous crimes over the decades.

her campaign slogan should be Panic Button.

[CorpGovActivist]

23. Yup, and the statutes of limitations haven't run yet. n/t

[Yael]

43. And in her actions, she is destroying what good will is left

[CorpGovActivist]

44. PrecISely! n/t

[hulklogan]

34. More faux outrage at Senator Clinton from the Obama Brigade

for being a politician like all the rest.

:eyes:

[Tarheel_Dem]

37. thanks for kicking the thread....(LOL) n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

40. Rational apathy is not a trait found in abundance among desperate Clintonites. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

70. ditto that! n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

71. More like political OCD. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

38. No. For those of us who make a living on original writing, plagiarism rankles right to the core ...

... and the quick. She crossed a line with those who can run circles around her in ANY intellectual exercise.

- Dave

[hulklogan]

50. The arrogance of the Obama supporters has no limit n/t

[Perry Logan]

53. And what a bunch of bullshitters.

[CorpGovActivist]

73. You're speaking of the Clinton senior campaign staff, right?

I lost track.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

120. Is that the technical term for Mark Penn's payroll now?

[CorpGovActivist]

54. She plagiarizes a false sense of intellectual and academic credibility. THAT'S...

... arrogant.

- Dave

[Tarheel_Dem]

35. Unlike you, I can't say I ever supported her candidacy, and this

just proves that my gut feelings were right about her all along. Like you, I wish she would just make a quick exit from the political scene, and we don't have to see her ever again. Oh...and she can take the Big Dawg with her.

I think this has been worse for Bill than Hillary, because he was a Democratic icon and on his way to becoming a world class statesman. Now he's out on the campaign trail, regularly making a fool of himself, and becoming a very small man in the eyes of many. It'll be interesting, when this is all over, to see where their collective favorability ratings wind up.

Thanks for posting.

[CorpGovActivist]

39. Bill had *almost* rehabbed his image in my eyes. Now this.

What a world-class ASS he has made of himself.

And when I watch Chelsea on the stump, all I can think now is, "She can't help it. She has a Don't Ask, Don't Tell Double Helix."

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

121. .

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. awwww.......

[CorpGovActivist]

58. Thanks, I sometimes laugh so hard at Clinton supporters, the tears...

... roll down.

- Dave

[grantcart]

77. you really have run out of anything useful to say

[CorpGovActivist]

82. I appreciated the Kleenexes; Clintonites make me laugh so hard...

... I often have tears streaming down my face at the inanity of their "arguments," ya know?

:hi:

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

98. .

[Jamastiene]

69. She hasn't lost my support.

I've made my decision and IF I get to vote in May, she's getting my vote in the North Carolina Democratic Primary. End of story.

[CorpGovActivist]

72. I admire your sense of duty and conviction. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

78. Hillary's WELLESLEY COLLEGE/YOUNG REPUBLICAN COLLEGE THESIS *STILL* UNDER LOCK AND KEY

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=hillary+clinton+college+thesis">How many times did she fail to give attribution, as a good Young Republican at Wellesley?

[CorpGovActivist]

106. I stand corrected.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=publius+clinton+thesis

[elixir]

79. some of the superdelegates are wimps and are jumping ship early. They'll switch back if HRC picks up

[CorpGovActivist]

80. If she can't hold onto her superdelegates, how will she hold together Congressional coalitions? n/t

[grantcart]

85. If she can't control Bill how will she control the Joint Chiefs?

[CorpGovActivist]

86. She'll get Mark Penn to whip out his crystal balls, and show them their future as civilians? n/t

[dempartisan23]

83. i agree

she is destroying the dem party for personal gain.

[CorpGovActivist]

87. She would have us believe she is the best-qualified to lead us forward.

She isn't, not by a long stretch of the imagination.

But I agree with you: her personal ambition is the altar upon which she will sacrifice just about anything.

- Dave

[blocker]

90. She lost me big times!!

I hope she loses big time,

[CorpGovActivist]

91. Welcome to DU...

... wish Edwards had stuck it out, and - failing that - wish he'd now come out swinging against the hope-killing status quo candidate.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

94. I'll be giving backgrounders to OHIO affiliates this week...

... and to national/foreign press over the weekend.

- Dave

[casus belli]

107. You sir, are obviously bigoted against "Carpetbaggery".

:sarcasm:

:)

[CorpGovActivist]

108. LOL...

... I'll bite.

How do you figure?

; )

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

111. .

[casus belli]

112. After all of the contributions...

that Carpetbaggers have made towards bettering society - by injecting themselves into political contests for which they have no meaningful stake in the outcome. How can you hate so much? When Hillary went to NY to run as their Senator, she did so - not out of political convenience - but because she wanted to help New York. They didn't know they needed the help at the time, but that's how selfless people work - they give of themselves for the sake of giving. She could have picked any old random state, but no. She wanted to help New York. Why? That's not for us to question. You can't look a gift horse in the mouth. She's like the Gandhi of Carpetbaggers. Her mission is clear, we shouldn't question it.

That said, it's obvious that you have a clear bias against Carpetbaggers. Maybe its that selflessness that only appears to be political opportunism on the surface. Maybe you just can't look something so pure in the eyes, pal. In this day and age...you clearly are a throwback to the past, mister. For shame.

:P

[CorpGovActivist]

113. I yam what I yam. And if I yam no fan of carpetbaggers...

... and if I yam unable to see the need for a carpetbagger's help, well, blow me down.

:P

- Dave

[cooolandrew]

109. It's ok there is always kind listening ear here at Team Obama. Former HRC supporters get our VIP ...

.. treatment. :)

[CorpGovActivist]

110. I'm not uncomfortable standing on my own two feet, intellectually...

... which is why, now that Edwards is out, I find myself naturally drawn to Obama, who didn't cloister himself away from others' viewpoints, like Hillary Diane Rodham did.

- Dave

[closeupready]

114. She lost me (or Bill did). I think it was Bill's Jesse Jackson's remarks.

That was disgusting. And just the whole racist undertones. And also her comments about the civil rights movement.

[CorpGovActivist]

115. Yeah, they've taken turns shooting her(self) in the foot, huh?

Just because Hillary was alive during the Civil Rights Movement, doesn't mean she contributed in any meaningful way.

- Dave

[closeupready]

116. Definitely.

And there's just so much other baggage, that I do think it's time for something new.

[CorpGovActivist]

117. Oh, but all her baggage has been checked. Haven't you heard? Bill and Mark Penn say so.

The Clintons have been petting kittens for the last 8 years. No need to look at their financial dealings.

- Dave

[CorpGovActivist]

118. Interestingly, not a single poster...

... for Clinton has tried to explain why she's losing voters like my extended family, or tried to offer an explanation for how she will staunch this flow.

- Dave

[grantcart]

128. Denial "she's winning"

[CorpGovActivist]

130. Who gets to be Queen of Denial? Mark Penn?

:shrug:

[bpeale]

129. sorry, Bush did that a long time ago, but thanks for playing.

[CorpGovActivist]

131. Did what? n/t

[Infinite Hope]

136. I've heard that from some in MN too. n/t

[CorpGovActivist]

147. I think it's becoming more and more universal with the Clintons' supporters...

... and it's becoming less and less taboo to say so, publicly.

- Dave

[apocalypsehow]

142. Excellent post, K & R.

:kick:

[CorpGovActivist]

146. Thanks!

:thumbsup:

[Hekate]

144. I'm very disappointed in The Clintons,& now it looks like they're willing to tear the Party apart...

...in order to win the nom. I mean, I am by now really unhappy with her. And him. The Clintons.

Damn.

Hekate

[CorpGovActivist]

145. I think the Clintons look spoiled now. n/t