There are no Paid Obama staffers on DU

[CalebHayes]

or unpaid interns for that matter.

When I worked on the campaign we had to sign an agreement that we would not post on any type of blog or forum site. Nobody can talk to the press unless they are cleared. It goes against one of the main points of the Obama campaign, and that is message unity. They run a tight ship, and that is part of the reason why the Obama campaign will go down as one of the best run presidential campaigns in history.

[dkf]

1. Nice to know. Thanks.

[MNDemNY]

2. So, now you are going back on your "agreement"? Nice.

[CalebHayes]

4. I was an unpaid intern, and i'm off the campign now.

[madaboutharry]

8. "Worked" is the past tense.

n/t

[MADem]

15. Bwahahahahahaha!!! Only "unpaid interns" can spam the net!!!!

Or "former unpaid interns!!!"

I think the deal is "Don't get CAUGHT." Remember that "anonymous" guy who did the anti-Clinton commercial last year? The guy couldn't keep his mouth shut, so people found out who he was, and he had to leave the campaign.

[ShortnFiery]

79. Gawd! Are you always seemingly "on the hunt?"

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

3. But you really do not know that for sure now do you.

[CalebHayes]

10. I know the the staffers I worked with had better things to do than DU

so even if they could, they wouldn't have been wasting their time here.

[rodeodance]

62. and becuse of that you ASSume none are here.

[CalebHayes]

85. I know they didn't have time besides....

the campaign didn't allow it.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

74. CalebHayes - they wouldn't have been wasting their time here.

hmmm

[Skidmore]

5. I can vouch for that in Iowa too.

I posted the other day that an Obama staffer had told me this when I asked if he would address a controversy on these boards. He told me that he was not allowed to post on any boards or blogs but pointed me to information to answer my questions and informed me that the information was there for me to use as I wanted in my own discussions. The information, BTW, was on the Obama website under his "issues" section, so it was publicly available.

[elixir]

6. Ala Jim Jones. Do they clear your mail?

[Name removed]

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[John Q. Citizen]

30. Remeber when Bill was being smeared by the Repos and his ratings went up?

Back when he was president?

I want to thank you for all your nasty little digs, comments, etc.

You have been driving Obamas ratings up without even knowing it.

We couldn't have won without all you guys and gals posting about 'handshake gate,' 'house gate' 'speech gate' 'cult gate''you name it' gate.

It's ironic that it happened to Clinton, and was widely reported and commented, that his approval ratings kept raising the more the Repos tried to smear him, but the Clinton campaign and their supporters couldn't see that they were doing the same favor for Obama.

It was a good race, you folks faught hard for your candidate, and she will be able to run again in 8 years. I bet she will be ready on day 1 then!

And thanks again.

[Tatiana]

61. Facts, logic, common sense, and historical perspective seem to mean nothing to these people. n/t

[RandomKoolzip]

41. Oh come on! Seriously? Give it a fucking rest. It ain't even funny anymore.

We're still on the "cult" meme? terribly sad.

[HeraldSquare212]

7. They're all working the ground game.

[alteredstate]

84. Yep, and they're doing a helluva job.

eom

[DURHAM D]

9. I doubt the agreement actually forbids posting anonymously. eom

[CalebHayes]

12. It does actually. They know IP's can be traced back to their office.

it's a potential PR disaster.

[MADem]

18. Not if the paid or unpaid staffer is posting from home.

Are you suggesting that the Admins here at DU are going to hand over IP addresses to campaigns so that they can FIRE people? Or POST that sort of information here?

I find that idea absurd in the extreme, actually.

[FlyingSquirrel]

24. It sounds like that would be an honor system thing...

Now tell me, if you were working for the Clinton campaign and there was a similar prohibition from posting on blogs and it was for the sake of avoiding possible bad publicity, wouldn't you follow that rule?

What would be the point working for a campaign if you were simultaneously doing something which could sabotage it?

[MADem]

59. Not honor system. Depends on how the agreement is crafted, really.

If it is a non-disclosure agreement, that includes posting campaign information on the internet, then that's what it is, and it would likely be crafted to remain in force even after the person left the staff.

If I sign ANY agreement, for any reason, I adhere to it. It wouldn't matter if it were Clinton, Obama, Edwards--any campaign. To do otherwise is to open oneself up to liability suits. I am not affiliated with any campaign, and I don't know if I will affiliate this time around, like I have in past contests. I'll drive geezers to the polls, but I don't know if I'll do the "other stuff" this go-round.

I'm frankly NOT enthused by Obama, and it will take a great deal of strength to even drag myself to the polling booth and vote for the "Lord of the Flies" candidate. I'll do it, but with extreme reluctance, if I have to.

[MADem]

60. Pardon my double click--I "lost" the site there and it doubleposted for some reason. NT

[grantcart]

68. Aha I caught you - you were plagerizing MADem and then you edit to cover your tracks

yeah i have been doing that a lot lately too.

The fact that they are doing things in such an orderly fashion, as you confirm, suggests that they are not "Lord of the Flies". Campaigns put out messages and people respond. Should we really be cynical when they put out a message that seems to resonate with a huge number of the electorate. Should we really be so cynical that when people start to believe passionately that the country can be better than it has these last 8 years that this is a bad thing?

I understand what you are saying and hope that when you go to cast your ballot you will feel better about it.

[Seabiscuit]

26. Oh, so the agreement was not to post from their office's computer, eh?

But it's OK for the paid or unpaid staffer or intern to go home at the end of the day and post anonymously on DU, right?

[CalebHayes]

35. No. But that was part of the consern.

[HereSince1628]

11. But, but, but, but....aw, hell there is no point in arguing this,

you've probably been paid off! :rofl:

[MethuenProgressive]

14. Why post on DU when you can leak talking points and Swiftboat the Clintons on Race?

the Obama campaign is seeking to capitalize on the view - and push the narrative - that the Clintons are using race-related issues for political leverage. In public, the Obama campaign has denied that they are trying to propagate such a perception, noting that the document never was sent to the press.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html

[Skidmore]

19. I would bet money that those types of posts are made by

bored and unemployed RW Rove trolls right now. What better way to break down the Democratic Party than to lob labelless stink bombs into the middle of a group and then duck and run for cover so that you can watch the fallout from behind a rock and snicker.

[MethuenProgressive]

29. Thanks for not calling me a racist this time.

Perhaps the tombstoning of so many DUbamas is finally sinking in with the remaining bunch.

[Name removed]

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[John Q. Citizen]

46. It's all over now except the shouting. So why keep fighting the war? Obama was smart not to

try to smear Clinton with a bunch of 'hand shake gate' 'speech gate' and 'cult gate' kind of charges.

When the Repos did that in the late 1990s it drove Bill's ratings sky high.

Instead, Obama has been helped out by the Clinton Campaign and her surrogates and supporters doing that to Obama and instead driving his approval numbers sky high.

Obama made his points, like about the release of tax records, but he stopped well short of demanding Clinton release her records. This was smart, because if she did release them and they were as boring as most tax returns are, it would have nullified the issue. That's was smart of Obama to handle like he did.

And whenever Obama actually did go to make something stick, it stuck good, instead of using the shotgun approach they picked their targets very carefully. Like pointing out that Bill was attempting to portray Obama as a candidate that only black people would like to vote for. That stuck very well, but it was obvious Bill was attempting to make that link in people minds. And what Bill said got listened to and analyzed by pundits because pundits listen to presidents and analysis what they say. That was the turning point in the campaign, as I see it.

[blogslut]

16. His campaign is indeed impressive

On.Thee.Ball.

I learned that a couple of months ago.

[Bread and Circus]

17. Kicked and recommended

[SoFlaJet]

20. I had suspected there were some paid Clinton surrogates here

now for a few months-any denials from THAT camp?

[MADem]

25. What, do you want everyone who supports Clinton to muster before you and prove a negative, or what?

This "Obama worker" was the one who brought this shit up. I find it funny as hell too, that he says, posting anonymously, that he had to sign an agreement saying he wouldn't do it!!! And then uses the excuse that he's no longer WITH them!! Gotta wonder why!!!

It seems to me that even discussing internal campaign behavior, down to what sorts of agreements one signs with the campaign, is a violation of confidentiality....even AFTER one has ceased working for the organization.

Most places, when you sign a non-disclosure agreement, it carries over even AFTER you've left.

But hey, whatever...move those goalposts!

[SoFlaJet]

31. yes I do

they should all send me PM's swearing they aren't working for the CC-I see you guys are now using the proven Rovian tactic of projection with the "move those goalposts" line there.

[MADem]

55. Who died and made you Nanny?

Pssst--if you think ROVE invented the tactic of "moving the goalposts" you'll want to spend a little more time in the library, studying!! It actually predates him--by centuries, in fact!!

:rofl:

This is the sort of "adult discourse" we get from supporters of the "Children's Candidate."

God/Allah/Yaweh/Great Pumpkin/Deity of Your Choice .... Protect Us All!!! We could well be in for the "Lord of the Flies" nominee...

:rofl:

[SoFlaJet]

57. OK mommy

I'm on my way right now-how long is my study period?

[MADem]

63. Plainly not long enough. NT

[SoFlaJet]

80. I'll keep trying though and maybe someday

I'll be as smart as all the Clinton supporters here-you know like P2BA

[MADem]

82. I have no idea WTF you're talking about, but that's fine.

I don't get into these juvenile team fights. My concerns are issues, not bullshit back-n-forth.

[CoffeeCat]

36. It's so obvious that there are...

...the Clintons have run every manipulative ploy in the book, during this
campaign.

They're trying to cheat with Florida and Michigan, does anyone actually believe
that planting some bloggers on messageboards is above them? Ha...it's most likely
one prong on their "manipulate the masses" marketing plan.

You can detect the ebb and flow of a concerted effort on DU, with some of the
Hillary supporters. I see it. It's like they back off when they're re-grouping,
and they hit on all cylinders when someone says, "Ok...release the hounds!".

The memes and specific attacks are literally drilled repeatedly in concert.

[SoFlaJet]

39. yea TS but they think we're stupid

the Clintons rely on under educated democrats as their base-only problem is WE here at DU are careful watchers and have studied from the best of the sleazeballs with his Rovian tactics since 2000-we can see them coming from a mile away

[CoffeeCat]

45. I think they look pathetic and obvious...

and it's just one more reason she is losing.

You can't win on manipulation and Rovian baloney--when your opponent is
a dignified, decent positive person.

Her ugliness will continue to rear its head, while he will continue to
stay above board and talk about the future, hope and his ideas.

I'm sure, Hillary will continue to make fun of his speeches and of
his hope mongering--and the blog minions will happily perpetuate the
daily memes.

It gets a bit odd at times. They take one meme and pound, pound, pound--all
day long. Then, it's on to the next meme and pound, pound, pound--all day long
again.

You're right SoFlaJet--they think we're stupid, but clearly we're not. When
you mess with people who aren't stupid---you only make yourself look stupid--because
we can call them out on their Rovian baloney.

[Moochy]

77. You shall know them by the advisors they keep

Penn & Wolfenson

nuff said.

[NMMNG]

87. If you want to get ex-Clinton voters to your side

should Obama get to the GE (and it looks like he may), is it in your best interest to shit all over them like you are right now? Broad-brushing us as "undereducated sleazeballs" is a really shitty thing to do.

[MADem]

56. Who are they? Point them out, so they may be pelted with stones, why don't you?

Otherwise, these accusations are a bit out of line.

[CoffeeCat]

64. I don't need empirical data and...

...research studies--complete with fingerprints and photographs to know
what contrived baloney is on a messageboard.

Spare me your "prove it or else" hysterics.

[MADem]

81. You don't need empirical data...to make blanket, broad-brushed accusations, you mean.

It's not "hysterics" when you ACCUSE an entire subsection of DU of something, without evidence. What is is, though, is against the rules.

[griffi94]

21. if what you say is true

and there aren't any paid staffers here supporting obama......well that's even more disturbing...
i figured the people spewing rw bullshit were at least being paid and it turns out that they're really just the same kind of hateful asswipes that enabled bush.....damn....i might as well vote for mccain...at least i expect that kind of shit from the repubs.......

[FlyingSquirrel]

28. The people spewing rw b.s. are probably right wingers

and they're probably doing it for free.

[griffi94]

32. maybe

so are they just pretending to be obama supporters

[RandomKoolzip]

42. Is a person calling another person an "asswipe" honestly non-hateful?

[griffi94]

52. nope

i used it in context of the rw jerks that insisted bush was the cats ass....if you didn't buy that bush was the cats ass....you got smeared....if ya said bush lied us into a war...ya got back....clinton lied and was a drug smuggler....anybody spewing rw hate and non specific irrational bullshit as way of propping up a candidate is imho an asswipe....if the shoe fits......

[RandomKoolzip]

54. So you're admitting you're "hateful." Okay.

You probably won't want to use that adjective to describe your "enemies" in the future then.

[griffi94]

58. yep that's it

i'm admitting that i'm hateful......who reads these posts to you....yer mom
i just forgot that anything said against hillary...even if it's been dis-proven is a fact...and anything said that puts obama in a less than saintly light...even if it's true is hate speech....
when did you stop being a bushbot and become an obamabot

[RandomKoolzip]

65. All right. I just want to get this straight: you're accusing me of being a Bush voter?

But first, you want to impugn my relationship with my mother?

Sorry to be obtuse; I just want to make sure you have your accusations straight, because they sound pretty bizarre.

[griffi94]

69. i have no idea who you voted for

i said you sound exactly like the bushbots.......were you a bushbot before you were an obamabot

[RandomKoolzip]

70. I'm not understanding the suffix "bot." Maybe that's what's screwing me up.

Hmmm... I'm wondering if you could possibly explain to me what, exactly, in my previous posts to you, would suggest that I'm either a robot or a Bush supporter? It'd be nice if you could do this with specifics and without referencing my mother.

[alfredo]

22. That's where Hillary is hurting. Bill is going off message too much.

He could be pointed to as the main reason Hillary has faltered. Oh yeah, and the asshole who encouraged her to front load all her big money donors.

Yeah, Obama has run a smart campaign. I don't see him having to stamp out fires set by staffers.

[onehandle]

23. Ha ha ha!

Very funny, but it's not April 1st.

[CoffeeCat]

27. I can vouch for this as well...

I was an Obama precinct captain, and I was very impressed with the dignity and
fair-mindedness of each paid staffer I met.

I was told not to blog as well.

In addition, the campaign always stressed remaining positive and avoiding attacks
on our opponents. I wish I could live up to that, but I am adamantly opposed to
Hillary Clinton because of her corporate corruption and pro-war, neocon enabling
votes.

I remember when--the day of the Iowa caucus, a staffer told me that their internals
were looking very good. They knew they were going to win that evening. When I asked
about Hillary's numbers--which they undoubtedly had--I was told that they were very
confident how Obama was going to do, and that the campaign was focused on their successes.
The campaign literally steers people away from speaking negatively about opponents.

I experienced this across the board--in all communications--and in the people I met
in the campaign.

Also, I got a call from Barack Obama, when he was asking Iowans to be precinct captains.
I told him that I was leaning toward Edwards. Obama never made one negative remark
about Edwards. In fact, he spoke with deep respect for Edwards and told me that he
"was a genuinely good guy."

I mainly went with Obama because he is a Constitutional Scholar, and that drives his
decision making toward torture, Habeas, closing Guantanamo, illegal wiretaps, privacy
and the "Unitary Executive" mindset that he insists he won't perpetuate. However, one
cannot help but be overwhelmed with inspiration and hope when you see the campaign and
ground game that Obama has coalesced. It was a machine run on propelling an
agenda and a person forward in positive ways. Dirty tricks and manipulations were simply
not a part of the campaign.

Then, on the other side of the state---we had Hillary planting questions, her Iowa staffers
sending out "Obama is a Muslim" emails and Hillary refusing to take questions and only
engaging in vacuous speeches--while she attacked Obama.

Obama helps people to be their best. Many cynics might guffaw at that, but I believe
that part of Obama's success is that people see a better America with him leading, than
they do with Hillary--a person noted for her infamous attack machine.

[ruggerson]

34. she's very, very evil

I'm glad you have the people radar to pick up on it. I would bet she has murdered many people.

[CoffeeCat]

38. Yeah, I think she is evil...

Anyone who voted for the Iraq war, knowing it was a fucking lie--is evil.

I'm not impressed with politicians who knowingly give the neocons their
fun in the sand---with full knowledge that there will be untold numbers
of innocent Iraqis and American soldiers killed.

She is evil. Are you going to argue that voting to enable the neocon
war machine is some kind of angelic behavior?

[Gman]

47. Absolutely incredible

sitting here with my mouth open, again at the things Obama people will say. Absolutely incredible.

[CoffeeCat]

51. Why is it so incredible? Because you say so?

What about this letter that the neocons wrote to Bill Clinton
in 1998, when he was President. They asked him for war with
Iraq in 1998. He said no. The letter is signed by Wolfowitz,
Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and John Bolton--as well as other neocons.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Hillary knew damn well that the neocons had been shopping around
this sham of a war for years--- because they asked her husband
for it! .

Hillary Clinton knew damn well that it was a lie. She knew that
Bush and the neocons were culling Sept 11 fear to get their
paws on Iraq. She said NOTHING. She did NOTHING except vote
for a charade that enabled these neocon thugs .

The more days you spend with your mouth agape, and in denial about
"the things Obama people will say" the more days Hillary Clinton escapes
accountability for her warmongering.

Please. Wake up.

[Gman]

73. How old are you?

Where you maybe 7 or 8 years old in 1998? The reason I ask is because you bring up something that was discussed extensively here on DU almost 7 years ago and then again in 02 and 03, 5 or 6 years ago. It seems like you just found out about PNAC when that is old news. There's no dispute that Clinton blew these guys off as nuts.

[CoffeeCat]

76. Wow, usually when I post about these horrible Clinton facts...

...I get no response from the Clinton brigade (but plenty of discussion from those who are
not so jaded)...because her warmongering and neocon enabling is indefensible.

I've never received a personal attack before!

Interesting....defensive, with just a hint of smarm.

You're a real trailblazer Gman!

[Gman]

83. Personal attack?

Let's try that again a different way. Sorry if I offended you, but it seems you just found out about PNAC. Is that true? Why else would you bring up something that was extensively debated around DU many years ago?

[CoffeeCat]

88. I don't think that Hillary's...

...enabling of the neocon warmongering agenda can be discussed enough. For God's sakes, she's
a Democrat who is running for President. You think it's 'old hat' to bring up her continued
support for more war? And for the PNAc agenda?

Frankly, I don't think enough people get it.

Frankly, I don't think PNAC's letter to Bill Clinton has been discussed enough, especially
as it relates to Hillary's inside knowledge of their lies.

I think we should be discussing this more--every day perhaps.

The fact that so many people want her as President, demonstrates to me that not
enough people DO get just how disgusting Hillary's pro-war, pro-neocon votes
are.

I think Hillary has received a free pass when it comes to her neocon enabling.

I'll continue to talk about this, and I'll continue to post this letter--because
it offers irrefutable proof that Hillary knew that the same neocons selling the Bush
Iraq war, were the same thugs trying to sell her husband into a war with Iraq.

Shining the light of truth on Hillary's neocon kow-towing---is a good thing.

[Gman]

91. There's one really big hole in your theory

the letter wasn't addressed to Hillary, was it?

[CoffeeCat]

92. Everyone knew about that letter...

Bill Clinton talked publicly about that letter. I saw the letter when it first
came out. Are you suggesting that stay-at-home moms from Iowa--people like me--
were aware of this letter, but somehow it escaped Hillary Clinton?

What kind of game are you playing?

The members of PNAC openly talked about sending Bill Clinton that letter, and they
sent it to him and also the media. That letter was disseminated to Bill Clinton
via a PNAC press release. They tried to strong-arm Clinton into that war and they
did it very openly.

That letter has been up on the PNAC Web Site since the day they sent it.

If this wasn't such a serious, very grave subject--I would just roll my eyes at you. You can continue
to be glib. You can continue to be obtuse and in denial. I don't think you're cute
or that you're funny.

This is very serious. One of our most prominent Dems openly knew that the 2000 Bush-led
war with Iraq--had been shopped around this war for years--and was being propped up with
Sept 11 fear.

She went along with it. Get serious for a minute, and think about this implications of
this.

Do you--or do any of the people who support Hillary Clinton get it? She knew they were liars.

She opened the door for the neocons--and allowed them to get a foothold in the Middle East.

You know--I used to be a big fan of the Clintons--loyal all the way through both administrations
and I stuck up for Bill Clinton through it all. I've got a letter from Bill Clinton framed on
my wa.. However, something happened to these people. They may have appealing ideas about health care
or other social issues, but they are in line with the neocons and socializing with the Bush family--the
very people who are systematically destroying our Constitution and our civil rights. This is why I cannot
support Hillary Clinton.

Something is very, very rotten in Denmark. I wish you and others would think about what this
means.

[Gman]

95. That is so 2001

[CoffeeCat]

96. Yeah, but Hillary continues her warmongering...

...in 2007.

She voted for Kyl/Lieberman--which Jim Webb said was "Dick Cheney's pipe dream."

We're currently in the run-up to war with Iran. Hillary votes to define an arm
of the Iranian government as a "terrorist organization", which Bush could use
in the future to market war with Iran to the American people.

Hillary helped market the neocon war with Iraq. She's starting to help market the next
plank in the neocon plan--Iran.

Have you read the PNAC plan in it's entirety? I bet Hillary has.

Iraq is first on their wish list. Iran is second. Syria is third.

Scared yet? You should be.

Iraq was 2001, but Iran is 2007 and Hillary is helping to grease the cogs in the
neocon war machine. Once again.

She's a gutless, neocon enabler.

[SoFlaJet]

50. just another one opf the reasons that

TwoSparkles is one of my favorite posters here on DU-I have become a big fan

[CoffeeCat]

53. Hey SoFlaJet...

I'm an admirer of yours as well!

:hugs:

[John Q. Citizen]

33. Obama has run a brillant campaign. It will be studied for years. Thanks for helping win it!

[calmblueocean]

37. You mean these Hopedollars I got aren't worth anything? Darn.

I knew something was up with that.

[alteredstate]

40. That's how it was in South Carolina, too.

In addition volunteers were told that when we canvassed, registered voters or worked at an event we were representing Senator Obama --- no negativism toward the other candidates was allowed.

[Gman]

43. ...that anyone knows of.

[davsand]

44. I've said it before in here: I think the campaigns have a lot better uses for bodies.

Honest, guys, I think that both the Clinton and the Obama camps have a lot better uses for bodies that posting on DU. What you are seeing is amateurs at play. Consider this--if you THINK they are getting paid they probably are not. A Pro would be rendered useless once they were ID'd as being hired help--once they are ID'd as being an operative nobody is gonna take them seriously!

While I have never been on the "inside" of a national level campaign, I will tell you that even at a local level we have always had a much greater need for bodies in the office, on the phones, on the streets or even stuffing envelopes. There is just not enough time in the day to get it all done, and the sheer folly of burning a volunteer (let alone a paid staffer!) by putting them on "computer watch" is immediately evident.

Peace to you all--this will pass when the Primary is over.


Laura

[CalebHayes]

86. Yep! If I could rec this I would.

[RememberWellstone]

48. Could have fooled me

Right...Kool-aid for everyone!

[billyoc]

49. I never thought of that. I guess it's cool. nt

[Mags]

66. yea, I bet.

[Chovexani]

67. And everyone on the campaign is as honest as you.

I'm not trying to pick on you, but in this day and age, I think it's rather naive to think that there aren't people from EVERY campaign taking the internet pulse.

Just because you aren't aware of them, doesn't mean they don't exist. Or that there aren't unscrupulous people who are doing it on their own time. Again, not picking on the Obama campaign--everyone's guilty of this shit IMO.

[cooolandrew]

71. Nope, I know folks are assuming I am. I am disabled and obsessive, that's my story so there you go.

[cooolandrew]

72. That's beautiful to know, that his integrity comes first. I feel it is what Americn needs most.

[ShortnFiery]

78. Thanks for the information. I'm not surprised that Obama is a man of integrity.

And, IMO, his wife Michelle, is both intelligent and gorgeous ... with two beautiful "above average" kids! ;) :blush:

Go Obama! :patriot:

[Moh96]

89. thank you for that info, really nice to know that about Obama, unlike the rest of them

[rodeodance]

90. umm. good. seems that you were not in the cult one.

[demo dutch]

93. yeah right!

[BringBigDogBack]

94. cool.

[Rowdyboy]

97. Right. And there are no paid Clinton staffers here either. The check is in the mail,...etc etc etc

The whole place is infested with cockroach like agents of the two main candidates. I expect several on both sides are paid. Don't expect me to believe either side is pure.

[Orangepeel]

98. If they were paying people to waste time here, they wouldn't be winning

Effective staffers have better things to do.