Obama didn't just borrow a line or two.

[maddiejoan]

Seems former Deval Patrick media consultant, David Axelrod just repackaged an old campaign.

[stellanoir]

1. This is how friends often collaborate with one another.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us/politics/18video.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1203346318-gZfI/qIFtltC3C/qSZwCzg

[Tennessee Gal]

2. Good post! Thank you.

And watch the Obama supporters continue to make excuses.

[liberalnurse]

98. There is no real excuse now is there.

Stealing is stealing and that includes plagiarism! Makes one think about the facts of his two books now doesn't it?

[Usrename]

116. WTF?

We hold these truths to be self evident..

plagiarism?

that all men are created equal....

plagiarism?

We have nothing to fear but fear itself...

plagiarism? What is wrong with you people?

:wtf:

[Little Star]

126. k&r

[Iceburg]

3. The Obama Spin: We are Recycling, its part of our green campaign/nt

[Occam Bandage]

4. So Patrick quotes Obama's speech when introducing Obama, and that's plagiarism?

Citing a willingness to work for change is plagiarism? Saying "this campaign isn't about me, it's about you" is plagiarism? Those are ideas that have existed since the dawn of politics.

[durrrty libby]

64. And Patrick is a lousy governor. All Fluff..No Stuff. Just like Obama

[ElsewheresDaughter]

5. Obama has NEVER spoken an original word yet ..they have been the words of JFK, MLK and Ted Sorensen

from day 1 in Boston not 1 word was his.


hey

Obama Got Words?

[babylonsister]

12. Yea, he's just an all around crappy politician, which is why people

can't stand him. :eyes:

[DURHAM D]

90. Don't forget David Axelrod.

David has been handling Obama for 15 years. Everything Obama has said, every vote he has cast, every vote he has skipped, the books (and book deal) was the result of David building to this day.

As someone else said - Obama is All Fluff, No Stuff.

[we can do it]

144. A Nice Package and Catchy Message Sells Most Anything

[casus belli]

153. Put up or shut up.

Maybe in your spare time you can parse all of his speeches for plagiarism. Get back to us on that will you? I mean, I'm sure you'll have much better luck than the teams of people HRC has probably had working on it for weeks.

[Tatiana]

6. Well, this portends of good things to come. Looks like stuff worked pretty well for Deval.

Weak. Very weak.

I'd be more impressed if somebody pointed out that Obama's economic plan has melded with Edwards' so much that you can't tell which is which.

But "he said the same thing as his best friend Deval Patrick. See? Let's compare the words!" reeks of desperation.

[Franks Wild Years]

22. Why does it represent desperation?

These attacks being wheeled out are the epitomy of desperation. Clinton, the molly coddle establishment candidate - untested, untried up to now and failing her first big test spectacularly - her team and her supporters have reeked of desperation since January. I still find the fact that people buy into her hilarious, given that it's almost impossible not to see the insincerity dripping out of her whenever she speaks. I like her 'concerned' face most of all. I have to give her credit, it must takes hours in front of the mirror to perfect.

[FlyingSquirrel]

108. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[zulchzulu]

This is laughable nonsense

We can get Clintonian (this is an insult in my view) and pick apart the words to try to "find" a story, but I'll leave that the Hillaryworld Desperados.

How many times has Hillary uttered "I'm fired up and ready to go" or other Obama phrases? We can go down this nonsensical road or perhaps talk about the issues that matter to the American people.

It seems the Hillaryworld enterprise is hellbent on acting like a snarky, finger-pointing, zit-faced, priggish prude waving and whining that they are a victim.

Is this what the American people want? Fuck no.

[Thrill]

7. Keep trying Hillary supporters

Patrick already said they work together And they are friends. And doesn't think Obama needs to give him credit.

Typical reach

[Metric System]

118. Oh come on, if you got caught in school cheating off your friend's test, even if he was aware and

allowed it, you'd still be in trouble!

[shadowknows69]

129. This isn't freaking school

There's no law against borrowing tidbits from a friends speech if he gives you permission.

[adabfree]

8. Two bruthas sharing the word....Malcolm and MLK would be proud...

:rofl:

lmao Power to the People! Black Power! No Justice, No Peace! We Shall Overcome! Say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud!

Hot Pants! I'm Digging On James Brown!

ha ha

[maddiejoan]

16. David Axelrod is a brutha?

who knew?

[adabfree]

23. You didn't get it huh...oh well...over the hill and through the woods

I'll share other stuff with you..that went over ya head...

Souuuuuuuuuul Train...

Get on the good foot

[chimpymustgo]

94. Your riff was very funny. Like a, like a sex machine!

[KittyWampus]

39. No, but he's a good campaign manager/speech writer who has a good track record unlike Penn

Axelrod has worked with a number of progressive candidates and helped them win.

Penn, not so much.

[ellisonz]

120. I think Penn and Wolfson are just jealous.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

9. OBAMA GOT WORDS?

[goldcanyonaz]

10. Not surprising coming from the campaign that ripped off Bob the Builders "Yes We Can".

[ProSense]

17. It's last resort desperation from a campaign trying to survive:

Video: Elizabeth Edward on Hillary's plan, she ripped us off

[adabfree]

18. ha ha...what about Yes, She Can...talk about stealing..

[Beausoir]

74. Bob the Builder! That's too funny!

[ProSense]

11. This is a desperate attempt at spin!

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Mr. Obama said, to applause. “ ‘I have a dream’ — just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? Just speeches?”

Mr. Patrick employed similar language during his 2006 governor’s race when his Republican rival, Kerry Healey, criticized him as offering lofty rhetoric over specifics. Mr. Patrick has endorsed Mr. Obama, and the two men are close friends.

“ ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? Just words?” Mr. Patrick said one month before his election. “ ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’ Just words? ‘I have a dream’ — just words?”

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Mr. Obama who also advised Mr. Patrick, said Sunday that Mr. Obama adapted the words from Mr. Patrick. Mr. Axelrod said that he did not write the words for either candidate.

“They often riff off one another. They share a world view,” Mr. Axelrod said. “Both of them are effective speakers whose words tend to get requoted and arguments tend to be embraced widely.”

The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified. Clips of both speeches are archived on the Web site YouTube.com.

link

A rival campaign? LOL! Run for the hills, the speeches sound similar!

[babylonsister]

15. I think it's spelled 'desperation' on the part of the Clinton supporters.

The term 'grasping at straws' comes to mind...

[berni_mccoy]

13. Where's the problem? It says "mirrored rhetoric".

[maddiejoan]

21. I never said plagiarism

:shrug:

I said repackaging courtesy of David Axelrod.

[berni_mccoy]

31. Very clever maddie... I need to be more careful around you...

[chascarrillo]

14. Obama lifted "work for it"? Are you fucking serious?

Good grief.

[Occam Bandage]

25. If you talk about working for something, you're a plagiarist.

[ShortnFiery]

19. Have you no shame? This is essentially "a dupe" of your buddy's thread (MassDem).

:thumbsdown:

[maddiejoan]

24. I'm sorry I embarrassed you.

It was not my intent.

[ShortnFiery]

29. No maddiejoan you are only embarrassing yourself and it's truly sad to watch.

:(

[maddiejoan]

33. yeah

I'm okay.

Don't worry 'bout me, darlin'.

[stillcool]

97. In that case I expect to see many more...

thanks for the heads up!

[bowens43]

20. Hillary supporters grasping at straws

and not finding any.....keep up the swiftboating! Every time you post something like this, Obma picks up new supporters.

[MethuenProgressive]

26. Excellent post! Expect to be called racist any minute now...

It's tradition.

[MadBadger]

27. You realize number four is Patrick using Obama's stuff right?

[backscatter712]

28. God I can't wait until Clinton bows out.

Because then maybe her smearmeisters will SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

[adabfree]

32. ha they won't ...and you know it..

[ShortnFiery]

36. Yeah, I'm getting the impression that HRC would "low crawl over broken glass" than to give up POWER.

Poltical POWER is *GOD* to the Clintonian DLC. :(

[Cameron27]

30. Thanks, I was looking for that graphic,

here's more:


Obama Echoes Deval Patrick...Again

"The charismatic, brilliant, inspiring black politician came to the stage to address the latest attack from his white female opponent."

"Her dismissive point, and I hear it a lot from her staff, is all I have to offer is words," he said. "Just words.
"'We holds these truths to be self-evident,'" he continued as the crowd began to cheer and applaud, "'that all men are created equal' -- just words. Just words."

The applause increased.

"'We have nothing to fear but fear itself,'" the pol said. "Just words. 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.' Just words,'" he said, switching effortlessly from our Founding Fathers to FDR to JFK.
And then, the piece de resistance: "'I have a dream' -- just words," he said.
Barack Obama rebutting Hillary Clinton circa 2008?

Nope. Deval Patrick, ultimately successful Massachusetts gubernatorial candidate, responding to then-Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey in October 2006.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/obama-echoes-de.html

In the midst of his improbable run for office, Obama and his advisers have evidently studied Patrick's up-from-nowhere victory in Massachusetts and are borrowing themes, messages, and even specific lines for the presidential campaign.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4038668

Charges of plagerism severely damaged Joe Biden, I wonder what this will do to Obama.

[MethuenProgressive]

34. When Will The Boston Globe Retract it's Endorsement of Obama?

After this damning expose of the Audacity of Falsehood printed in today's Globe, when will the editorial staff see the light as discovered by the Globe's research staff?

[Little Star]

140. When Ted Kennedy tells them it's ok.

[fasttense]

35. I don't care if Obama or Hillary wins but this is Not plagiarism.

Yeah he uses his ideas but ideas can not be copyrighted. It's like me writing a story about a spaceship and then someone else writing a story about a spaceship. You can't copyright the spaceship idea. You can copyright the whole story but you can't have an idea, throw it out there, and not expect others to share the idea. Unless, of course it's a bad idea.

This plagiarism crap is all nothing but spin. Those who believe it are buying into the repukes warped propaganda.

[maddiejoan]

40. You're right it's not plagiarism

it's repackaging.

Maybe you should vote for David Axelrod. The true messenger of Hope and Change.


GoAxelrod!

[chascarrillo]

47. Might just be me, but I'd prefer Axelrod over Mark Penn.

Your taste may vary.

[maddiejoan]

49. I'd prefer Maggie Williams

[chascarrillo]

54. Clinton's second choice. Gotcha.

[Cameron27]

41. It's not just ideas,

Obama lifted entire passages from Patrick's speeches. Where's the great oratory if he simply reads someone else's words off a telepromter?

[Kali]

37. I voted for Edwards and haven't decided on the two frontrunners

of course I will support whoever, but shit as lame as this sure nudges me TOWARDS Obama. Geez, reach desperately, much?

[maddiejoan]

44. Why not cut out the middleman

Vote Axelrod '08!

[Cameron27]

53. Exactly!

Vote for the puppetmaster!

[ProSense]

38. Desperation: "New Clinton economic message has echoes of Edwards"

New Clinton economic message has echoes of Edwards

By Caren Bohan Sun Feb 17, 2:05 PM ET

MILWAUKEE, Wisconsin (Reuters) - White House hopeful Hillary Clinton has a message for hairdressers in Wisconsin, postal workers in Ohio and autoworkers across the United States who are struggling financially: She cares.

The former first lady and New York senator is hoping blue collar workers will provide her with a crucial base of support as she tries to erode the lead her rival Barack Obama has opened in the tight race to become the Democratic nominee in the November presidential election.

Clinton is courting working-class voters with a new message of economic populism similar to the theme of John Edwards, the former North Carolina senator who dropped out of the Democratic race in January.

Edwards never gained enough momentum to be competitive with Obama and Clinton, but the New York and Illinois senators are trying to woo his followers, many of whom were passionate about his pledge to take on "corporate greed" and bring change to a government he said had sold out the middle class.

more

[BigDDem]

42. BO = empty suit

[Eurobabe]

43. Who are we going to start analyzing next ,MLK vs. JFK?

You Hillbots are pathetic.

[ficus1]

45. This will destroy Obama's campaign!

Some of the phrases highlighted aren't even very similar. It's like the media are making a half-hearted attempt to be "tough" with Obama, but since he doesn't have any real scandals this is the best they can come up with.

[JKaiser]

48. yep!

[chascarrillo]

50. Both talked about working for change! SCANDAL!!!!11!!

[Tatiana]

51. Nailed it. n/t

[JKaiser]

46. OBAMA is a FAKE! Who is he really?

[matcom]

58. my baby's daddy

case solved

:eyes:

[Connie_Corleone]

60. He's Keyser Soze.

[madrchsod]

72. he`s satan!

[Name removed]

96. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Blue-Jay]

124. He's Spartacus!

[tishaLA]

52. This is called collaboration

Have you ever looked into the construction of the Declaration of Independence, for example? And the way Jefferson lifted passages from other influential writers? This is not uncommon in political thought, especially with a group that (centered around Axelrod) that works closely together and shares many of the same resources.

Obama probably could have given an oral citation, but I'm not sure it's particularly important.

[ShortnFiery]

56. Talk about NASTY throes of bitterness? This is BUNK, it won't stick.

:thumbsdown:

[Cameron27]

57. It's not collaboration,

and if it was anyone else who repackaged so many talking points from another candidate, he'd be laughed at.

[tishaLA]

63. You mean two politicians who collaborate with one another

is not collaboration? What is it?

[Cameron27]

81. I mean

that this wasn't collaborative. Patrick used those talking points long before Obama decided to run for president. The two of them didn't sit down together and write a speech that they both could use.

[tishaLA]

87. They say they talk often and throw ideas around

about how to respond to things, etc. That is collaboration. For what it's worth, I think that the collaboration is mostly between and among the speechwriters, not between Patrick and Obama, but I have no reason to disbelieve Patrick and Obama's assertions that they talk to each other frequently about philosophies, strategies, etc.

[BeyondGeography]

55. Beats repackaging an old and, in many ways, failed presidency

[rocktivity]

59. If the "evidence" against Obama is that strong, his "accuser" should step forward

instead of hiding behind journalistic anonymity ("a rival campaign that did not want to be identified"). And the Times should have refused to run the story under that condition. So much for bringing accountability back into the White House. Pathetic, desperate, and cowardly.

:mad:
rocknation

[CoffeeCat]

61. This is rich! Coming from a Hillary supporter!

Hillary's current campaign theme "Change We Can Believe In" was stolen
and ripped from the mouth of David Axelrod.

For those of you who didn't get to see Hillary's sham of a campaign, which
she ran in Iowa, for several weeks--let me brief you.

Not only did she get caught planting questions at two events, she was forced
to fire one of her Iowa Directors for sending out "Obama is a Muslim" emails.

When her impersonal preach-and-dash speeches didn't impress Iowans, she toured
Iowa with her best friends from grade school--in an attempt to convince us how
human she was. Hello? Don't get me started on her Hill-O-Copter publicity
stunt and how she gave away free coffee mugs if you filled out a Hillary pledge
card.

Given all of this, Hillary NEVER ONCE talked about "change". She was the
"experience" candidate with an "I'm inevitable" meme in tow. Change was not
in her moniker, until the night of the Iowa caucuses when she came in third,
behind Obama and Edwards.

She was suddenly and miraculously all about "change". It was hilarious
and it was so disingenuous.

Everything about Hillary's campaign, after Iowa, was co-opted from Obama's
and Edward's campaigns.

Hillary knows a winning strategy when she sees it. Too bad it's just a stolen
slogan for her.

[Nedsdag]

62. maddiejoan,

Why don't you and your partner go on a long, long vacation and never return for a while.

Obama and Patrick are friends and share Axelrod as a consultant, SO FREAKING WHAT!

[maddiejoan]

65. I'd love to

But my partner died of a heart attack 3 years ago.

[Nedsdag]

66. I'm sorry to hear that.

Nonetheless, you are grasping at straws. There is no there there in your story.

[Beausoir]

78. Good god...I am sorry about that.

Sorry for your loss.

[ShortnFiery]

67. I love that picture Nedsdag. I'm saving it - It's a keeper!

Go Obama! :patriot: :hi:

[Nedsdag]

69. Thank you!

It's from Vanity Fair magazine.

Go Obama indeed!

[Hepburn]

68. And the link for the bullshit is....???

Did you do this graphic...or plagiarize it?

[maddiejoan]

70. It's from the Boston Globe

[Hepburn]

73. So you used it without giving credit to the Globe?

OMG....guess you PLAGIARIZED this!

Pot/kettle.

[chascarrillo]

75. Doh!

[maddiejoan]

77. I never claimed it was mine

nice try though.

and the link is there for anyone who can 'right click'

[Hepburn]

88. Oh, I see...NOW you set the record striaght....

...it really was someone else's work, but you posted it under your name and did not give them credit. So that is OK, right?

Dizzy much from spinning?

:eyes:

[maddiejoan]

89. The credit is in the link to the pic

:shrug:

[Hepburn]

92. The link on your post says: ASSOCIATED PRESS.

[maddiejoan]

93. Uhm no

right click on the pic.

It's clearly from Boston Globe.

[Hepburn]

99. Soooooooooo.....a hidden link counts???

LMBO......I am suppose to find your source by right clicking on the pic cuz you failed to post a visible link which gives credit to that actual third party?

:rofl:

S-T-R-E-T-C-H!

[maddiejoan]

100. Hey.

Lower right corner.

what does it say?

[Tarc]

85. That was probably the dumbest "point" we've seen here yet

Grow the fuck up, please. Forgetting to add a url to a DU post is not even remotely comparable to reusing speech lines from someone else's presentation.

Sweet fucking christ.

[Hepburn]

91. Someone piss in your wheaties this AM?

People like you who make non-points and can only name call earn this:

<click> Bu-bye. Life is too short to deal with stupid replies.

[MethuenProgressive]

76. From the Boston "We endorse Obama for President" Globe.

:popcorn:

[madrchsod]

71. the world just came to an end

my god this more important than the iraq war or the housing crisis...shit people are actually losing their jobs today and losing their health care....

nice cut and paste about nothing important in the real world

[riverwalker]

79. I have never been more proud

of NOT being a Hill/Bill supporter.

[mtnsnake]

80. Thanks maddiejoan. You can tell by some of the reactions that you hit the nail on the head

The truth hurts them more than anything.

Great post!

[maddiejoan]

82. They think it's about 'plagiarism'

It's more than that.

Obama sold himself as a new and original voice in politics.

Turns out --not so much.

They knew it MA.

[Cameron27]

84. I agree

[BlueStater]

83. What bothers me more...

...is that apparently his ego is now so big that he thinks his words can be put on the same pedastal as JFK, MLK, and Thomas Jefferson.

[Cameron27]

86. And they're not even his own words!

[boston bean]

95. Obama is NOT authentic, he is not the real change, he is a re-packaged Axelrod actor! nt

[snappyturtle]

101. This is another act of desperation and it looks silly. Actually, it

was covered yesterday here on DU (link below). I find it interesting that Sen. Clinton's supporters on one hand say the Sen. Obama uses cheap words and on another find the cheap words so important. Which is it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4631262#top

[maddiejoan]

103. and I find it funny

That Obama says words are not cheap in a speech that he borrows from Deval Patrick.

[snappyturtle]

105. Your point is? That Sen.Obama borrowed words from Patrick.....could

it be they have both been leveled with the same criticism, i.e. their words are cheap, and they respond alike because they believe alike? Again, today you think what Sen.Obama says is a headline and a few days ago your candidate said he uses cheap words. I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one and talk about something important....for example, policy issues.

[maddiejoan]

106. I'd be happy to talk about Policy issues

Apparently you don't see the irony though.

Obama is arguing that words aren't cheap by using borrowed words.

As a writer, I find that delightfully ironic.

[snappyturtle]

113. We all borrow words......that borrowing doesn't cheapen them. I find

no irony.

[maddiejoan]

121. I also find it ironic

that someone so brainwashed by the media has "V" for their icon.

[snappyturtle]

141. Maybe I'm not the one brainwashed. n/t

[rodeodance]

107. yeah--like the Obama supports post several threads over 2 days of hate

filled Chelsea comment.


goes round and round!!

[kid a]

102. i see no problem with that - can you please stop smearing?

PLEASE support your candidate and stop with the pathetic last ditch efforts.

[maddiejoan]

104. How is it a smear?

Oh.

I forgot.

Any truth about Obama is a smear.

gotcha.

[robbedvoter]

109. We already knew he wasn't writing his own speeches...

[yardwork]

110. I just don't think that this is a big deal.

Everybody borrows and steals campaign speeches from one another.

One reason I've never fallen under the Obama spell, I think, is that I've always assumed that his wonderful speeches were written by wonderful speech-writers, borrowing from previous wonderful-speech-writer-written speeches given by other politicians.

[jackson_dem]

111. Just words? No they are plagiarized and get that straight!

[mopinko]

112. i love the smell of desparation in the morning. it smells like victory.

[cottonseed]

114. After seeing this. I see no cause for the outrage.

After reading a few posts of this morning's latest outrage, I was starting to think there was a major problem brewing for Obama. After seeing this graphic, I just don't see anything there. Clears it up for me. Thanks.

[blogslut]

115. Pretty funny coming from a hotlinker

Ecclesiates 1 : 9

That which has been is that which will be, And that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun.

- New American Standard Bible (1995)

[Bonobo]

117. Kicking because, well, it's more embarrassing to Hillary supporters than Obama supporters.

[Tarc]

119. Funny, I don't feel embrarassed

[maddiejoan]

122. me neither

:shrug:

I'll even kick it myself!

[Bonobo]

123. Kick!

[Little Star]

125. Kick for anyone who missed this thread earlier. n/t

[JVS]

127. This is what the hub-bub is about?

[NMMNG]

128. Oh snap!

What amuses me is HRC says two words that Obama once said and the minions run around screeching Copycat, Copycat!!!. But Obama lifts titles, paragraphs and speeches from countless people and they make excuse after excuse for him.

I swear he could eat pureed kittens on stage in front of a live audience and cameras and it would be OK with his fans. It's vile the way they'll accept anything and everything he does just because it's him.

[Sapphocrat]

130. Oh, but don't you remember?

This is all canceled out by the fact that Hillary copies Obama's votes. :sarcasm:

[NMMNG]

132. You mean the ones he didn't show up for?

Or the "present" votes? :shrug:

[Sapphocrat]

133. All of them, except for...

...the ones where he absolutely, positively, no-doubt-about-it would have voted the other way, before he was a Senator.

[NMMNG]

134. Oh, that one

Where we're just supposed to take his word for it because he says so, even though he's voted for every funding bill since then. :shrug:

[Sapphocrat]

139. Now you're getting it!

Just stop worrying, and learn to love Teh Doublethink -- and soon you too will get THE BAM!

[Arkana]

131. Need some more straws to grasp?

God, you Hillary people are pathetically desperate for anything and EVERYTHING to unfairly smear Senator Obama with.

[maddiejoan]

135. Oooops I forgot

slipping off Obama's mask is a smear.

[Arkana]

147. No.

Accusing him of plagiarism when in fact he has the originator's blessing and support is.

You know damn right well this isn't a legitimate gripe--so cut it out.

[candice]

136. Two sides of Axelrod! What does one do when one's candidate lacks experience?

offer hope and a prayer!

[candice]

138. Volunteers! Talk about how you "came" to Mr. Obama..

...avoid talking about policy to potential voters.

--Accounts of the campaign's "Camp Obama" sessions, to train volunteeers, have a revivalist flavor.

From The Charisma Mandate in Sunday's NYT.

[merbex]

137. As someone who actively volunteered for Deval Patrick but who

supported John Edwards until he dropped out, I've certainly noticed the striking similarities in Obama's and Patrick's rhetoric - while it doesn't me per se, I am troubled by the fact Obama couldn't be bothered to give proper attribition.

That's what this is all about the 2 seconds to say "My friend Gov. Deval Patrick had a great response which fits the circumstances I now find myself in....."

But he didn't

It literally takes 2 seconds.

It is like cheating...

It is plagiarism unless given with proper attribution

[rucky]

142. There are worse influences to have. n/t

[we can do it]

143. There you go using facts. Who needs facts when you've got hope?

[Hill_YesWeWill]

145. wow, uh, ok I'm too nice, I can't tell you what I'm really thinking

I'll just say: I'm glad I saw the light and defected before you Hillary supporters got this psychotic & welcome to the #11 spot on my ignore list

[maddiejoan]

146. heh

been here less than a month --and you're already ignoring people.

:rofl:

[thevoiceofreason]

148. Another fine piece of bs to hide

[Tatiana]

149. KICK... because I just love this thread. n/t

[robbedvoter]

156. Me too - for different reasons - it wasn't just a speech - a whole campaign

[thoughtcrime1984]

150. This IS sad, you realize that, right?

I can't wait for tomorrow night and more good Obama news to plaster the board and push crap like this into oblivion.

[Unsane]

151. You truly are foul.

[byronius]

152. This doesn't work. This seems anti-Hillary to me. What's your game?

It's not a logical display; it requires huge leaps, reads poorly, and seems forced. I love Hillary, even though I'm voting Obama; I'm not about to get involved in any of the back and forth, because it seems pointless. Let's Just Vote. But certain things I read and see make me think that Hillary's being fifth-columned, and this is one of them.

Like that 'Hillary And Me' video. I swear that's a Karl Rove production. Awful. Demeaning to a Great Woman. I cannot believe that's from her campaign, it's so badly done. And if it is from her campaign, then she's been invaded by saboteurs.

I think you're hurting her cause here, with weird, disjointed arguments like this. If you're not the fifth column, then you're not her friend. You make her side seem ignoble and awkward with this -- and she's not those things. It would be like an Obama supporter lashing out at Hillary for being a lizardlike robot or a cruel vixen or something -- and if you know of one, be effing suspicious. Rove's methods are viral and shameless; it's entirely possible that there are numerous Rovebots stirring up animosity in a perfectly scientific fashion on this board, daily. The GOP has millions of ISP's to work with. In fact, you could easily be the OP and ten other commenters, and this could be a crafted piece, and it sure as hell sounds like it to me.

Are you a fifth columnist? Because I love Hillary, and I can see that this does her ill.

[girl gone mad]

154. To make an issue out of this..

seems so desperate.

[Obamaniac]

155. You Clinton supporters are pathetic lunatics...

No one even cares about this story anymore.

It's over.

[susankh4]

157. Does Plagiarism Matter to you?

Take the poll!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=7486642&mesg_id=7486642

[Little Star]

158. kick