Obama Plagiarism story all over morning news shows!!!!!!

[catagory5]

Well Obama has once again stole another news cycle. This time it is NEGATIVE.....I admit the man can give a speech and get the crowd going, but there is no doubt he lifted that speech from the other candidate. Now the Clintons are combing thru his speeches and are going to surely find other times where he 'borrowed' something he thought sounded uplifting and inspirational. Finally the media is catching on that maybe this guy is not all golden.

[rndmprsn]

1. hardy fucking har

this is what the clinton campaign has been reduced too?

pathetic...and yawn.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. well put . methinks there be an ass among us.

and I am not talking about a democratic mascot.

[susankh4]

4. It's a very smart move, actually....

because part of who votes for Obama are the "educated."

Plagarism is a mortal sin in the books of most post-graduates. It is among the lowest crimes. And one that has cost many a doctoral candidate his or her PhD.

If this is true about Obama.... it will hurt him with this group of voters.

[Tarheel_Dem]

10. you hope....right?

if they find plagirism in one of his books, you might have a case. Good luck with that.

[susankh4]

17. Actually

I am for a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket.

So... I wouldn't want to see him get in too much trouble.

The suggestion of plagarism, however..... the mere suggestion of it.... will result in closer scrutiny of his words. And that would be a good thing.

[marshall]

20. Didn't they ry this with Martin Luther King too?

MLK's naysayers tried to make a big deal about him supposedly copying passages for his dissertation. It went nowhere and in fact blew up in their faces. If Clinton's lackeys push this story they take a great risk.

[susankh4]

23. Obama is not MLK

And it's high time we get that straight.

If he is going to play for votes among the educated elite... he's going to have to play by their rules.

(This was never MLK's tactic, to my recollection.)

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[susankh4]

131. Are you in charge here or something?

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[merbex]

159. You had me smiling; when I read her post and looked at her profile

and the number of posts she had I couldn't believe what I was seeing - I don't think I got that tone till I had reached a 1000 posts ....

And even then I use it sparingly

Geez

[jackson_dem]

140. Yup. The hype is sick. Lincoln, JFK, MLK, Reagan, and even Gandhi and Jesus!

:rofl:

[marshall]

142. But that's exactly my point

Those same educated elite couldn't care less about plagiarism accusations against MLK. Why should they get in a tizzy over this?

[susankh4]

156. We'll just have to see how the chips fall....

Ministers, as it turns out, have a sort of unspoken "borrowing" code. My son is one, and I know this is true. There are even websites where they can go to "borrow" sermons.

In academia this is not the case.

And, in politics... I'm not sure how the chips will fall.

[marshall]

160. Yeah, I'm in academia

And the idea of equating academic scholarship to political stump speeches is ludicrous in my opinion.

[susankh4]

168. I would tend to agree....

and, quite honestly I am dismayed to see this.

[H2O Man]

24. Martin, like many good ministers,

often reviewed the speeches of ministers from other periods in US history for material.

[marshall]

32. Then Plagiarism is the wrong word to be used in reference to Obama

Plagiarism refers to academic writing, which is the smear that was aimed at MLK. Perhaps we should use the word "review other's speeches" when talking about speech writing.

[napi21]

133. I don't know about MLK but the same thing forced Biden out of

the POTUS race back in the 80's. Hell, some people were STILL talking about it in 2008!

[elixir]

152. Joe Biden/1988.

[UALRBSofL]

46. I knew it. At the dinner in Wisconsin

When we listened to Hillary and Obama's speeches I said did y'all hear that, he just plagiarized MLK. I'm glad I wasn't the only one that picked up on that. Now, I'm not saying he's a bad person for it but he's not original.

[Obamaniac]

80. Clinton is so desperate that it isn't even funny!

What has she given up on trying to convince people that caucuses shouldn't count?

[Lucinda]

127. Yup.

[snappyturtle]

134. Maybe you might want to look at this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4642975

Sen. Clinton has borrowed too.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[susankh4]

137. It doesn't matter much to me....

because I am hoping for a joint ticket. Either Hillary/Barack, or Barack Hillary will work for me. And I want them to say the same thing.

But... I still think Hillary has gotten herself a really smart camp manager at this point. And, Maggie Williams knows what she is doing when it comes to constituancies.... and how to get at them.

[snappyturtle]

141. Oh, it can hurt Sen. Obama but doesn't make any difference in

Sen. Clinton's case. ????????

It's a little too late to think about building constituencies for the primary election season. Should have been done months ago.

[blogslut]

153. May I ask something?

I noticed the flyer in your sig. Why use a photo of Hillary that is from the early 1990's? Is her present appearance somehow unappealing?

I notice that the hillary44 site uses an old photo too. Why is that?

I think she looks damned good right now.

[susankh4]

154. I like Hill now too.

But this, alas, is not my poster. I am circulating for a gentlman in OH. He is the organizer and, I think, venue owner.

[miceelf]

166. Jeez

Most educated people know what plagiarism is and what it isn't. This isn't it.

[Jamastiene]

18. Oh, give it a fucking break.

You Obama people sure are fucking touchy. I'd hate to have to walk on eggshells for 4 solid years around you people. I won't do it.

[rndmprsn]

29. yawn...next

[terrya]

70. Hey...plagarism derailed Joe Biden's campaign in the 90s

When he plagerized, verbatim, a speech by the head of the Labor Party in Britain.

It isn't just some fluff.

And you know...you know...you'd be all over this if it were Hillary.

[SoxFan]

126. I call bullshit

I worked on Biden's campaign stafff in 1987. I saw him give that speech a half dozen times. EVERY TIME, he credited Neil Kinnock.

Of course, that's not how John Sasso spun it. He found one instance where Biden didn't give proper attribution and anonymously sent the videotape to a friendly, pro-Dukakis/anti-Biden reporter at the NY Times. Worse, when the press asked him about it, he tried to pin the blame on Dick Gephardt's campaign.

But Sasso wasn't done. He kept stirring the pot, and had a Dukakis supporter at Syracuse University go poking around Biden's law school records. They found an alleged instance of "plaigiarism", which the NY Times and Boston Globe dutifully linked to the Kinnock incident.

What is forgotten is that Biden actually requested an ethics investigation on himself. The Delaware disciplinary authorities looked into the matter and found that there was no evidence of unethical plagiarim. What Biden did was cut corners and fail to use proper Blue Book citations, and basically acted like what he was at the time of the incident, a 1-L who was trying to pull something out of his ass after waiting until the last minute.

John Sasso is a moral leper. He permanently smeared the reputation of one of the most honest and decent men in American politics. I have never forgiven him for that, and I never will. If the Hillary gang thinks that petty crap like this is the way to proceed, then you deserve pitty, not support.

[Muttocracy]

155. thank you nt

[miceelf]

167. Yeah

I thought it was bs when it happened to Biden and it's bs now.

And in both cases, it was a really good guy who was the target by pretty slimy operatives on the other side.

[snappyturtle]

136. opps! Take a peek:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4642975

[Bitwit1234]

85. Bullshit as soon as the OTHER CANDIDATE gets caught in his crap

they blame Hillary....IS THIS ALL YOU PEOPLE HAVE BLAME HILLARY???? THEN THEY SURE SUCK.

[elixir]

149. Joe Biden/1988.

[tekisui]

3. And Obama shrugged it off. "We're friends and exchange lines all the time."

The Clinton's reek.

[Pirate Smile]

5. I think that was what Deval Patrick e-mailed Mika. Has anyone mentioned that

Axelrod works for both of them or worked for Patrick in 06? Similar responses to similar attacks? How shocking.:eyes:

[zulchzulu]

6. How many times have I hear Hillary yelp "Yes, We Can!"

Thanks for the link in your OP. How did you make it invisible?

:shrug:

[tekisui]

11. The way Hillary has mis-managed and wallowed in the mud during this

campaign is WHY I don't like her. Her policies, for the most part are as acceptable as Obama's. And I was enthused about her running early on.

Now, I've gotten to know her through her campaign and am really turned off. She's a nasty bully, willing to do anything to win some votes. She has always been the attacker, and she leaves a bad taste in my mouth. This is what we need to get away from--politics as usual.

But, above all that, she isn't winning. And, she flounders around trying to piggy back Edwards and Obama's message.

[Pryderi]

50. BOB THE BUILDER TO SUE OVER USE OF

YES WE CAN!

[Straight Shooter]

132. Bob the Builder, "Yes We Can!" n/t

[Blue State Bandit]

7. OMG! Did he get tagged for using "Change"?

Or was it "I have a dream", or "...as President"?

[John Q. Citizen]

34. Why doesn't hyper Hill attack McCain for saying "Friends." Wasn't that a TV show?

:rofl:

[bullimiami]

8. this is the same news media that still turns a blind eye to bush but

destroyed dean and run with anything negative about a democrat ad nauseum.

turn it off. they are the problem. not the stories they sensationalize.

[gaiilonfong]

9. PLAGARISM? LMAO

4 friggin lines that Deval patrick now says they talked about!

D E S P E R A T E !

wont work

[Yossariant]

12. Barack unoriginal? Whoda thunk it?!

:rofl:

[Tarheel_Dem]

13. You are such a joke!

grasping for straws now are we? There may be something that brings Obama down, but I seriously doubt that this is it, but nice try.

[Window]

14. Talk about desperation.

No comment.



Peace:thumbsup:

[undeterred]

15. Hillary desparation written all over the news

How low can she go?

[flordehinojos]

16. you are so right ...

the media god now known as obama is absolutely not all golden and whatever media outlet is uncovering the truth about him ought to be upheld and all the others ought to follow suit.

obama really is one of the most disengenous political figures of this time right after GWB ... he seems to be playing by some sort of refined version of the lee atwater and karl rove campaign books.

[adabfree]

19. lol

The Clintons and their supporters are absolutely desperate..

OMG!

LMAO...this is all they have..this is their ace in the hole..

They have to do better than this....ha ha...between Bill's outburst and bullshit like this, they are really going to turn people off!

[Tarheel_Dem]

25. nope. that would be the clinton campaign. you can almost smell

the stench of desparation from you guys. it's laughable. here's something for ya:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4634573

says it all.

[MethuenProgressive]

21. Obamas don't care. So what if he steals his wicked good speeches? Stolen words don't matter....

There could be video of Obama shooting up Roger Clemens in the ass with steroids, and the ObamaBots would still blame it on Hillary...

[adabfree]

26. If him shooting up someone with steroids means..

Hillary and Bill won't make it back to the White House, so be it.

lmao

[WolverineDG]

48. Can't steal something that's given to you

If what Deval Patrick (the alleged victim in this case) says is true, that they share ideas & bounce them off each other, then he essentially "gave" Barack that speech.

Tempest, meet teapot.

dg

[pampango]

22. Damn anti-Hillary MSM! n/t

[catagory5]

28. Hey were not the ones saying it...

Its all over the news. I knew nothing about it until they started playing it. Now that they have I see it is true. No big deal. Just some of his 'uniqueness' is chipped away.

[tekisui]

33. The Clinton's are spreading it.

Why? Because they are losing, and they have nothing else to resort to. Hillary CAN'T inspire. And no matter what method you look at, she is behind.
Money, Votes, Delegates, States Won, and of course she is far behind in appeal.

Good luck with your attacks Hillary, they will just soil you more.

[LulaMay]

36. Where's your citation or link? Or let me guess....your guessing! How honest of you.

[tekisui]

40. It was reported that they were spreading it around on ABC News.

And the NY times article states that:

"The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us/politics/18video.html?_r=1&sq=Obama&st=nyt&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&scp=2&adxnnlx=1203338959-Dr0PPHshUpJMYnFFBhSaHA

ABC News reported on TV that it is being circulated by the Clinton campaign. They don't have it on their website yet.

I wasn't guessing.

[LulaMay]

54. It doesn't say they found or initiated the report. The point is IT'S TRUE

watch the tapes

[tekisui]

57. The point is the share ideas and political strategists.

There is no foul here. I've watched the tapes, read the NY times piece.

[Kokonoe]

66. That would be Republican's

Don't think they're just sitting on their hands waiting for things to play out.

[tekisui]

67. It COULD be the pukes. But, it was reported as the Clintons.

The Clinton's haven't denied it.

[Kokonoe]

98. When Bill was president they never denied attacks

I don't know why, but I know the only ones who want to keep their hands clean right now is the republicans. So any anonymous attack is automatically from republicans with the guise that it's from the clinton camp.

[tekisui]

100. I think this one is from the Clinton's. Either way, that's who it will hurt.

[kurth]

41. Saw it on ABC evening news over the weekend

They made a pretty convincing case.

[LulaMay]

31. You mean they migh do a 10 minute story on it before getting back to the festivities?

[InsultComicDog]

27. The same clowns who get their talking points daily from the RNC

are crying "plagiarism"...

amazing.

[dkf]

30. Bigtree just posted an article "New Clinton economic message has echoes of Edwards"

Its a joke.

[Skwmom]

35. The Anti-Clinton Media? Of course on the ABC Sunday show, they

repeated Clinton's lie about Obama making a backroom deal on the nuclear deal (already debunked as a LIE in the WP), without even stating the FACT that it was a proven lie.

NEWSFLASH: All politicians use prior speech material. Did you think Edwards created the Two Americas speech?

[LulaMay]

37. The funny part is that the original speech orator did it much better.

[adabfree]

45. la la la lula belle

lullabye

[LulaMay]

52. You know, I do believe you COULD put me to sleep. Keep singing, I feel drowsy.

[adabfree]

55. la la lula bay bay boo boo

lmao

[LulaMay]

59. Do you speak english? Are you a monkey? Is this Nell from that movie where she say "bay bay?

Your vocabulary and accent is hard to make out.

[adabfree]

65. lulu lala ebo lmao

[joeybee12]

38. Oh my...guess not everything Saint Obama does it 100% clean...

...no big deal, but when you're offering someone something "new" try to keep it new.

[Vinca]

39. Well, one thing is apparent. Obama is the front runner.

The MSM has turned to bashing him. Not a peep out of them over Hillary's refusal to release her tax returns, her "talk doesn't put food on the table" speech while Bill's raking in millions from speeches, the Burkle/Cayman Islands story, the uranium mining story, etc., etc., etc. I guess we should be grateful.

[LulaMay]

53. Yeah! He's sure got it sewn up, doesn't he? What propaganda.

[BlackVelvet04]

123. LOL.....now you know how it feels....

They've been bashing Hillary for months.

[Maribelle]

42. The grateful yesterday in Kosovo - - American flags and posters of President Bill Clinton ..

Just watch Obama try to cash in on this one ...

[LulaMay]

58. Yes, I read about this. Oh, horrible Clinton's, helping people everywhere.

[Maribelle]

79. Hillary truly believed in Kosovo as a prototype for dealing with Saddam

And Kosovo was. However the corrupt Bush and his neoconservative cronies had other ideas.

[LulaMay]

104. I know....she would be a great inspiration, with outstretched hand, to the world

[Benhurst]

43. Plagiarism charges destroyed Joe Biden's 1988 presidential bid;

but he was a mere mortal.

[WolverineDG]

44. Yeah I heard Bill Press go on & on about it

Claiming it was a Joe Biden moment (oh really) & that Obama was being arrogant & actually comparing himself to MLK, FDR, & the Founding Fathers merely by quoting their words to prove that words DO mean something & can have an impact. Even AFTER read Patrick's "no harm no foul" response, Press kept this up.

My response is: Is that the best you've got? Because if it is, :rofl:

dg

[TheWebHead]

47. actually I've seen much more of Bill's cherry red face and the wag

this morning... I'm not sure quoting of others infamous quotes, while HRC and McCain have been stealing his lines on the stump, is worth much ink.

[UALRBSofL]

49. BTW catagory5, do you have a link where he is accused

of plagiarism and that the Clintons are combing through speeches?? Just curious.

[durrrty libby]

51. No surprise at all. He's all fluff and no stuff. If people ever wake up

from their Hopium stupor, this country may still have a chance

[adabfree]

56. not with the Hillbilly's at the helm...

[LulaMay]

60. Oh, how nice. You're one of the disrespectful crew who calls her the HillBilly's.

Because you have so little to say.

PS- How kind of you.

I have never called Senator Obama a name, nor would.

[Thrill]

63. Yeah because its not disrespect to call Barack

all fluff and no stuff. Give me a break with the hypocrisy

[adabfree]

69. For shame..right

Did lulu..la la lulabelle...call out that poster for such words..

Of course not.

That's why I don't take those folks that question my postings very steriously...they're hypocrites..masquerading as loving democrats and Hillbilly supporters...

[durrrty libby]

97. Ya.. I don't take ignoramuses "very steriously" either

:rofl:

[LulaMay]

105. I do not say things like "all fluff and no stuff". Be sure who you're talking to.

[adabfree]

64. did i hurt your feelings or their feelings...

tsk tsk..

you want to call Obama names...lol..have it..if you don't ..so be it..

I see them as the hillster and billster..an inseparable combo..and to that I say...no thanks..

[LulaMay]

62. I have never called Obama a name and never will. It is juvenile and disrespectful.

[adabfree]

72. Yeah but you pause to admonish me...but don't do the same for

the Obama basher..

Oh lulu...la la dust yourself off and try again

[LulaMay]

107. You do nothing but make childish remarks to me. I defend my candidate. I don't call others names..

And I don't have to pend my time defending everybody.

I have made statements on this board about name calling in general.

And frankly, when Obama, or his campaign, or the DNC for that matter step up and confront the sexism the media has been doling out to Hillary and women everywhere, they can defend themselves.

We've done enough for men already, and right now, they are taking our votes, our huge percentage of the Democratic vote, for granted.

[Thrill]

61. You know you're going good. When this is the best thing they have

as a negative for you.

How quick before Patrick comes out and says he told him to use it?

[catagory5]

68. Hey Clinton's aernt the ones reporting it....

ABC, msnbc, fox and Bill Press, just to name the ones I have heard THIS morning talking about it. And yes it is a big deal to steal isnt it?

[WolverineDG]

94. He's already issued a statement

they work together, share ideas, etc.

Definitely not sounding like an outraged victim whose work was "stolen."

dg

[sniffa]

71. For a minute I thought it was Sunday

Is it all over The View and Fox and Friends? :scared:

[kennetha]

73. What this really shows about Obama

Is that his pose of authenticity and "newness" is really just a pose. He's really hardly anything more than a pose, a creation of a clever campaign manager, an empty vessel. The telling point is that Axelrod ran Deval Patrick's campaign in Massachusetts and used the same themes and same words in that campaign. They worked. So he went looking for a suitable candidate to give those words and themes to in the presidential election and found one in Barack Obama. No coincidence that either, since apparently Patrick and Obama are classmates and close friends.

Wow! Talk about taking a look behind the curtain and finding not a big powerful wizard, but a creepy little lost guy from Kansas.

Better now than in the general election. This also strengthens Hillary's case that we don't really know what we're buying when we buy this guy.

[Thrill]

75. LOL.......It doesn't show anything

He used a couple of lines from a friend. Big Friggin Deal

[kennetha]

77. Without attribution

as if they were his own. First there's the plagiarism. Then there's the faux authenticity.

Not good. You can turn a blind eye. But I predict Obama has won his last primary for awhile and has had his last positive news coverage for awhile.

[adabfree]

81. time will tell...wow..tomorrow there is a primary..

brace yourselves..lol

you guys are unreal...

Im sure when Obama wins tomorrow, you won't be around to say a word..about it..especially since "he won't win another primary"

[LulaMay]

108. Yes...A primary. Brace yourselves for Texas, Ohio and PA. He hasn't won much in the way of large

states or swing states, including FL. Many doubt he can win a general election like that.

The smaller caucuses and states he was expected to win over the past week haven't meant a lot in the overall picture, but the media and his campaign have built it up to sound like something huge..."momentum".

Well, we'll see.

[cd3dem]

114. it is much easier to cause chaos and fraud at caucuses

I have been hearing stories of voter fraud and non-English speaking people being bussed in and given Obama ballots to vote... heard in Rochester Mn a bus of Somalians were brought in and never registered but were all given ballots with Obama's name already written on them....

Obama was down by 7% in the polls but won MN by 2/3's...

[adabfree]

170. Was WI a caucus state?

Okay...and how many counties did he win?

What was the % breakdown of voters for Obama vs Hillary?

Hmmmm..okay

Voter fraud...lol..that's a nice one

[adabfree]

169. Guess...time did tell huh..

Was WI a caucus state? Hmmmmmmm...

Do you realize Da Hillster needs to win 70% of the vote in those states to garner 65% of the delegates...?

Come now lulu, do you see that happening? She hasn't done it yet...has she?

Her goose is cooked and Tx, Oh and Pa will not save her...

[demonsweat]

78. HE'S SUCH AN INSPIRATION!!!!!

Even if he says nothing better than anyone and has to steal to do it....HE INSPIRES ME!
WOW!
I GET A TINGLING UP MY LEG!
YAY!
:puke:

[AGirl]

74. K and R! Hahaha this is funny , Obama got caught.

[Iceburg]

76. His past and his present are finally catching up/nt

[Cameron27]

86. I wish,

but if the comments in this thread are any indication, he'll get a pass on lifting his talking points from Patrick's speeches too.

[NC_Nurse]

82. If Duval Patrick isn't worried about it, I don't know what the big deal is.

I wish he'd have credited him too. But I don't think it's as big a deal as
y'all are making of it.

But, this is DU, after all. :eyes: Got to stay on the cutting edge of outrage....

[kennetha]

84. If you friend says you can copy his exam

it's still copying. Doesn't matter if your friend is cool with it. Just makes him a cheater too.

[WolverineDG]

95. So now Deval Patrick's a "cheater" too?

Ooookaaaayyyyy.....

:crazy:

dg

[sniffa]

87. It's not

But, like you said, this is DU and the things that come out of a whole cloth.

[durrrty libby]

103. Patrick has no credibility and sucks as a governor. The people

fell for his BS and elected him, then they said NOOOOO

to his endorsement of Obama. Imagine that

[Kokonoe]

83. But but.. It's "just words"

No wait.. It's the same idea. How DARE two lefty democratic leaders in politics share the same idea!1 Thats plagiarism

[Thrill]

89. Weak.......Out of all his speeches

you can only find one sentence someone else used. This is laughable.

And I've been watching these morning shows. And none of them are talking about this NON story. But the the Clinton Supporters have to keep reaching.

[Kokonoe]

99. I don't think it's plagiarism

Funny how writing is plagiarism, and then speeches became plagiarism. This is a new level, it says anyone with the same belief is plagiarizing someone else's idea.

[LulaMay]

109. The words and associations are too close, some exact. It's plagerism.

[Kokonoe]

115. I never understood speech writers

Is it OK if someone gets paid to write the words coming out of a politicians mouth. But it's not OK for two politicians to say the same thing.

[LulaMay]

110. Let's put it this way: An english teacher would give him an F if she found the other speech

[ElsewheresDaughter]

88. NONE of Obama's words are his own anyway...they are all JFK , MLK and Ted Sorensen's....

Obama has yet to reveal himself to us......instead of regurgitating dead peoples words



Obama got words?



.

[WolverineDG]

96. Yeah, and when he's not stealing words from them

he's lifting them straight from Noah Webster.

dg

[ShortnFiery]

90. If Obama gets the Nomination, he should ask Biden to run as VP. He knows "witch hunt" over B.S.

And so do many of us who supported Biden when he was running for President.

These charges are "grasping at straws" bullshit! :thumbsdown:

[JPZenger]

91. Is that the best they can come up with?

The day before Obama wins two more primaries by large margins, and this is the best line of attack they can find? That an Obama supporter suggested to Obama that he use a couple lines from one of his speeches?

This is about equal to the attacks I have read on the web recently against Obama's wife, Obama's mother, Obama's church and his minister.

I hear Obama's dog has smelly farts. Pass it on.

[ProSense]

92. This is desperation at it's best

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Mr. Obama said, to applause. “ ‘I have a dream’ — just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? Just speeches?”

Mr. Patrick employed similar language during his 2006 governor’s race when his Republican rival, Kerry Healey, criticized him as offering lofty rhetoric over specifics. Mr. Patrick has endorsed Mr. Obama, and the two men are close friends.

“ ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? Just words?” Mr. Patrick said one month before his election. “ ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’ Just words? ‘I have a dream’ — just words?”

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Mr. Obama who also advised Mr. Patrick, said Sunday that Mr. Obama adapted the words from Mr. Patrick. Mr. Axelrod said that he did not write the words for either candidate.

“They often riff off one another. They share a world view,” Mr. Axelrod said. “Both of them are effective speakers whose words tend to get requoted and arguments tend to be embraced widely.”

The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified. Clips of both speeches are archived on the Web site YouTube.com.

link

A rival campaign? LOL! Run for the hills, the speeches sound similar!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

93. Obama ripped off Hillary's Economic policy and tried to claim it as his own. fucking BUSTED

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/794128,CST-NWS-campweb14.article


White House hopeful Barack Obama's economic platform set off a three-way fight Wednesday as aides to Republican John McCain and Democrat Hillary Clinton accused Obama of stealing Clinton's ideas.

Obama fired back that McCain lacks economic know-how.

"Obama's plan today is the most shameless piece of potential plagiarism that I have ever seen," McCain economic advisor Kevin Hassett said. The Clinton campaign helpfully e-mailed his comments to reporters.

"He basically took Clinton's words and Clinton's policies and called them his own," Hassett said. "If I were a professor I'd give him an F and try to get him kicked out of school for something this terrible ... I remember Mrs. Clinton saying shared prosperity and I remember the bill that she introduced in August for infrastructure. The fact is these are things Obama has taken as his own without crediting the source of the ideas which was Mrs. Clinton."

Clinton herself said, "A plan that fails to provide universal health care, fails to address the housing crisis, and fails to immediately start creating good paying jobs in America again will not turn the economy around and provide the real relief that our people need. We need real results not more rhetoric."

The New York senator's campaign said she proposed a national infrastructure bank in August and that Obama's energy plan is a rehash of hers. The Obama campaign responded that his bank proposal is better than hers and that he introduced his energy plan before hers.

[Thrill]

102. Hmmmmm McCain trying to fight Hillary's battle?

I wonder why?

[nolabels]

111. Yea, we should get all people to list ALL of their originals, ideas, phrases, inventions or.........

whatever else they claim to be brought out by their original thought. They could put them in a large data bank and then we can learn that we all use each others idea's. Mostly it is all things changed by a new twist, people don't wave magic wands and turn rocks into cars, dirt into food or trees into houses. It took the millennial of time to exact most of our science so to claim all is original is farce at best.

What we do see is pattern, the pattern a toddler could have predicted (i know i did). The Clinton's would lay low for about a week, play victim, call in their markers in corporate media and start laying underhanded hooks by their remaining surrogates.

[workinclasszero]

101. Hillary = McCain

Hillary has gone over to the darkside. She is done!

[surfermaw]

106. Borrowed from Edwards, from the Get --Go

[loveangelc]

112. lol by all over morning news do you mean Morning Joe?

I really havent seen anything...

[CRH]

113. The Question is, why is news just now, I read this months ago, ...

Along with the title and thoughts of the Audacity of Hope being drawn from a sermon by Jeremiah Wright.

When communicating precisely with words it is often near impossible to avoid certain phrases. Example, who was the first person to say nuclear detente, an english and french mixture.

That being said when someone uses an identical format to express identical thoughts, it is usually but not always prefaced by 'as so and so said'.
In this instance Obama pushed against the line of propriety, but in politics this isn't rare, when the same themes are presented over and over again.

Obama should be more concerned that all his lofty thoughts of cross isle communication and cooperation, his many themes of the need for change, opportunity for the poor, yada, yada, yada; without specifics and stated means of accomplishments, he plagiarizes the rhetoric and best intentions of countless politicians of the past, who didn't get the job done, or it wouldn't continue to be hot button rhetoric and issues.

[libbygurl]

116. Standard O supporter reply: Clinton is desperate.

Right?

[DS1]

117. YES WE WILL!

Uh oh, 66% of that is plagiarized

[TeamJordan23]

118. I don't believe you. I watched Today on NBC and they did not mention it once. nm

[Danger Mouse]

119. you're still here? guess the pizza delivery truck is late...

[terrya]

120. May my fellow Clinton supporters forgive me for saying this.

I just don't see this story as that big of a deal.

Sorry.

[loveangelc]

146. :)

[Lex Talionis]

121. Its not going to hurt him.

If anything it will just make people want to vote for him. All pols to one degree or another, plagerize. Do you think he writes his own speeches?

[itcfish]

122. Well Obama

Has been crowned the new Messiah by the media so it's about time they start doing their job.

[WVRevy]

124. IT IS NOT PLAGIARISM!!!

Stop calling it "plagiarism", because it ISN'T.

pla·gia·rism /ˈpleɪdʒəˌrɪzəm, -dʒiəˌrɪz-/ Pronunciation
–noun
1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
2. something used and represented in this manner.

His use of the phrases wasn't unauthorized. By definition, that means it wasn't plagiarism.

[Maribelle]

125. Incorrect. Plagiarism is passing one's words off as your own

regardless

[ProSense]

130. It's bogus! This, however, fits the bill, and I'm certain

no permission was granted

This is a cheap stunt by Hillary's campaign:

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter,” Mr. Obama said, to applause. “ ‘I have a dream’ — just words? ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? Just speeches?”

Mr. Patrick employed similar language during his 2006 governor’s race when his Republican rival, Kerry Healey, criticized him as offering lofty rhetoric over specifics. Mr. Patrick has endorsed Mr. Obama, and the two men are close friends.

“ ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal’ — just words? Just words?” Mr. Patrick said one month before his election. “ ‘We have nothing to fear but fear itself’ — just words? ‘Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.’ Just words? ‘I have a dream’ — just words?”

In a telephone interview on Sunday, Mr. Patrick said that he and Mr. Obama first talked about the attacks from their respective rivals last summer, when Mrs. Clinton was raising questions about Mr. Obama’s experience, and that they discussed them again last week.

Both men had anticipated that Mr. Obama’s rhetorical strength would provide a point of criticism. Mr. Patrick said he told Mr. Obama that he should respond to the criticism, and he shared language from his campaign with Mr. Obama’s speechwriters.

Mr. Patrick said he did not believe Mr. Obama should give him credit.

“Who knows who I am? The point is more important than whose argument it is,” said Mr. Patrick, who telephoned The New York Times at the request of the Obama campaign. “It’s a transcendent argument.”

David Axelrod, the chief strategist for Mr. Obama who also advised Mr. Patrick, said Sunday that Mr. Obama adapted the words from Mr. Patrick. Mr. Axelrod said that he did not write the words for either candidate.

“They often riff off one another. They share a world view,” Mr. Axelrod said. “Both of them are effective speakers whose words tend to get requoted and arguments tend to be embraced widely.”

The similarities from a passage of Mr. Obama’s speech on Saturday and in remarks that Mr. Patrick delivered on Oct. 15, 2006, were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified. Clips of both speeches are archived on the Web site YouTube.com.

link

A rival campaign? LOL! Run for the hills, the speeches sound similar!

[Maribelle]

143. To the rival campaign that highlighted this I say ....

good job kids!!!

You know who you are.

[kennetha]

139. IF you allow me to copy from your exam, it's still cheating

Just because you conspire to help me cheat off of you, that doesn't make it not cheating. What this really shows is that Obama is an inauthentic poseur. His policy prescriptions are borrowed and copied and so is his rhetoric. What exactly does he bring to the table that new and fresh and genuinely his own? ? His stirring delivery of somebody else's words and thoughts?

He's an empty vessel.

[ProSense]

145. Apparently that rule doesn't apply to

Hillary.

The Clinton Campaign Just Now...

February 18, 2008 11:33 AM

In a conference call just now the Clinton campaign would not guarantee that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, has never used someone else's rhetoric without crediting them.

I asked Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson and Rep. Jim McGovern, D-Mass, if they could assure the public that neither Clinton nor McGovern has ever done what Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, did when he used the rhetoric of Gov. Deval Patrick without footnoting him.

They would not.

In fact, Wolfson seemed to say it wouldn't be as big a deal if it were discovered that Clinton had "lifted" such language.

"Sen. Clinton is not running on the strength of her rhetoric," Wolfson said.

Hmmmm.

Hillary's campaign phony charge is only a big deal because Obama's "rhetoric" is powerful and appealing to more people.

[IndianaGreen]

129. Like you said, "the Clintons" are at it again.

What rational person would want to go back to the days of Clinton scandals and betrayals, that's all they are good for. It was the Clintons that lost Congress in 1994. It is the Clintons that are running for a third term today.

[susankh4]

157. I think John Edwards is "at it again" now too.

Darned politicians. Why can't they just all be nice!

[stillcool]

138. wooo-hooooo!!!

can't wait for the boomerang!

[rodeodance]

144. Yeah--lets ban all Obama folks who Lie about the Clintons. Wonder if GD-P would exist anymore???

[Journeyman]

147. Well, as Bill Shakespeare said of his own work. . .

"So all my best is dressing old words new,
Spending again what is already spent."


Sonnet 76

[loveangelc]

148. I haven't seen this at all so far. I guess Ill have to wait...

[nomorewhopper]

150. congrats to the OP for this amazing victory!

we are so happy for you!

[Perry Logan]

151. Is it funny or sad that some Obamites are already blaming the Clinton campaign for this?

[elias7]

161. not funny or sad, but true- that's what the news shows are saying as well

[Skidmore]

158. I've been hearing that it's not a big deal.

That all politicians riff off of each other's stuff. The only people cackling and crowing that this is HUGH! are Hillary's people.

[DemGa]

163. They don't copy whole campaigns

and pass them off as original "movements." This has to be one the strangest occurrences in politics.

[RBInMaine]

165. Can we please have a little more crazy exaggeration.

[snooper2]

162. Jan 19th

nt

[RBInMaine]

164. He DID NOT "lift the entire speech." Stop lying !

Obama borrowed a few lines, WITH PERMISSION FROM HIS FRIEND AND POLITICAL ALLY DEVAL PATRICK WITH PATRICK'S PERMISSION TO REFUTE A HILLARY ATTACK IN A MEMORABLE WAY. Patrick has used lines of Obama's and vice versa. A few lines here and there. That's it and with mutual permission. And even though it's really not necessary, Obama has said they were some lines Deval used and that in the moment during this long speech he should probably have referenced Deval. There. Fine. Done. Move on. There was NO plagiarism here. You are full of it. Is this all you've got? Is this all the Clinton campaign has got?? How sad. How pathetic. How desperate.