Hillary leads in votes by Democrats.

[mculator]

All these independent Obama voters won't turn out for him on election day, in my opinion. Egalia just pulled up a report showing actual votes cast by democrats have been 300k to 500k more than B O. I'm not ready to support him while we still have a more qualified candidate. I guess I'm immune to sirens and the pied piper :). All this could come back to haunt us if we just ratify him without having him suffer a bit of scrutiny. McCain promising a clean fight makes me extremely suspicious. They are republicans. I just read the following on usaelectionpolls.com:


American Research Group Says Barack Obama Ahead in Texas, Rasmussen Reports Has Clinton Ahead

2/15/08
Democratic Candidate TX TX TX
Pollster ARG Rass TCUL
Date 2/13-14 2/14 2/11-13
Barack Obama 48% 38% 41%
Hillary Clinton 42% 54% 49%
Other(vol.) 10% 9% 10%
Details Link Link Link

Two polls taken yesterday differ by 22% in how they see the Democratic race in Texas. A lot of it has to do with the large number of self-described Independents that American Research Group polled. Obama led that category by almost 50%. A strong turnout will help him. Here is how they broke down.
Texas
Likely Democratic Primary Voters Democrats (78%) Independents (22%)
Clinton 47% 24%
Obama 42% 71%
Someone else 3% 1%
Undecided 8% 4%

According to the Democratic Texas poll by American Research Group:

Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama among self-described Democrats 47% to 42%. Obama leads Clinton among self-described independents and Republicans 24% to 71%. Obama leads among men 55% to 29% (47% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads among women 54% to 42%. Clinton leads Obama among white voters 51% to 40% (53% of likely Democratic primary voters), Obama leads Clinton among African American voters 76% to 17% (22% of likely Democratic primary voters), and Clinton leads Obama among Latino voters 44% to 42%.

22% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary and 20% of likely Democratic primary voters say they would never vote for Barack Obama in the primary. 30% of men say they would never vote for Clinton in the primary.

According to the Democratic Texas poll by Rasmussen Reports:

Overall, 78% have a favorable opinion of Clinton and 67% say the same about Obama. Among voters who are currently undecided, 59% have a favorable opinion of Clinton and 48% offer a positive assessment of Obama.

Eighty-two percent (82%) believe Clinton would be at least somewhat likely to win the White House if nominated. Seventy-one percent (71%) believe Obama would have a chance to win in November. Among those who are undecided, 53% believe Clinton would have a chance to defeat the Republicans and 50% say the same about Obama.









Does anyone remember Barack's "Be a democrat for a day" flier in Nevada??? He only asked them for "a day". That may be all he gets. There are tactical Republicans voting for him. He will lose many disillusioned Clinton supporters. Only time will tell, let's hope for the best if he gets nominated. Till then I can only urge Obama supporters to consider Hillary. She's no talker, but she's got an awesome record including the most votes while campaigning. That's one you can take to the bank

[jackson_dem]

1. The proof is here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4636547&mesg_id=4636547

The rethugs will vote rethug in the general. How many Democrats will stay home if someone elected by rethugs and "independent" votes is the nominee?

[mculator]

3. We were lazy :/

As Clinton supporters, we Let him get the momentum because the media played us as if she was inevitable. Sadly, I'm afraid it was Karl Rove and the like that worked out the republican support flyers.

[zabet]

A major play by the repukes...

they are already, be it a bit
reluctantly, coalescing behind
McCain. It will be 'On like
Donkey Kong' any day now with the
hard hitting slime attacks.

[mculator]

6. because McCain's WAY more centrist than Obama.

Sheet, he's even concerned about global warming.

[mcctatas]

11. Hopefully no one...

unless they are more concerned with being "right" than handing the country over to McCains brand of "Bush Lite". I support Obama now but in the general I'd crawl naked thru broken glass for Hillary if she is the nominee...

[mculator]

23. well

i'll go to lengths for BO too, just so you know. but Now i'm hoping for more than buddy buddy with the rethugs!

[Gore1FL]

14. My guess

is just the ones too silly to realize what is at stake, and the ones who think 100 years in Iraq and a shitty economy aren't worth going to the polls to stop.

[mculator]

22. it's a foregone conclusion

Democrats are happy to hear that we're going to win, why even show up in Nov if we are guaranteed?

[Tarc]

2. Clearest reason yet why superdelegates are a good idea

[ShortnFiery]

4. Hello?!? Is this like the movie "Groundhog Day" or did we de-bunk an IDENTICAL thread earlier?!?

:crazy: :thumbsdown:

[mculator]

5. You were counting 'uncommited' in Michigan, I bet. That was for Edwards too, wasn't it?

[ShortnFiery]

7. That's not the point. How many times are you going to reach down into "the crypt" of debunked

arguments? We are The United States of America. THE FACT that Obama can draw in "independents" in states where party membership is not recorded (cross-overs) is a very good thing and bodes well for the possible ending of "legislative gridlock" in D.C.

PsssT!?! It means that we can win a National Election as well as increase our ranks with Democrats in other positions. Why? It's not "a blood-bath" for the heart of America.

Oh hell, go forth with insisting on Party PURITY, that way we can continue with Legislative Gridlock up through the "Depression." :(

[mculator]

21. I dont see a debunking of a fact....

It's common knowledge now... get with the program, Obama winning doesn't make news now... hillary's time has come

[anigbrowl]

9. Hint: he's not in the race any more.

Therefore, nobody is going to give him their votes on the convention floor.

[ShortnFiery]

20. There's no communication with you. eom.

[ErnestoG]

8. farcical dupe.

[jackson_dem]

10. You can dismiss it but facts are clearly not farce

[mdmc]

12. In NYS HRC got 60% of primary voters WITHIN the dem party

Mostly the party faithful vote in primaries (or off year elections). In 2008, HRC won the NYS primary.
40% of the party faithful didn't vote for her.

[jackson_dem]

13. 60% of Democrats beats losing the Democratic vote like Obama is

The fact is rethugs and independents are putting him slightly over the top.

[rodeodance]

15. I have had conversations with these Indies--its a toss up for many-Obama or McCain.

[mculator]

16. Well it's a bit more disgusting than that

There is evidence of a major coalition to vote for Barack in a movement to disavow Hillary, whom they fear.
Back with links shortly. It's a republican mailer indicating to vote for BO

[mdmc]

25. lol

silly, but I'll look at those "links".

[mdmc]

24. don't worry, the dems will fall in line behind the candidate

like the good sheeple that they are.

40% of the dem faithful in HRC NY didn't vote for her.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

17. Non-democrats are people too! And if we embrace them, they just might become democrats,

ever thought about that?

one more thing, when I read a post and it's completely clear to me within the first sentence that the post is just propaganda, or something insulting, like trying to discount a certain section of American voters that historically decide elections, I just skip the whole post, I don't read anything more, and then I reply based on the first sentence, because I already know everything I need to know about the post.

So, just in case you wrote anything unbiased and objective somewhere in the middle of that post I just want you to know that I didn't read it, sorry.

[mculator]

18. everyone will become democrats

clear evolution from feudalism: the world has been moving left ever since societies started appearing.

[Hill_YesWeWill]

19. thank god! nt

[bunnies]

26. What a bunch of bullshit.

Unless you can predict the future, you can flog off.

[Barack_America]

27. Your logic is screwy.

Independent voters will decide this election. That's what they do. The Democratic nominee will not win without Independents, like it or not.

Barack has been winning the Independent vote over Hillary. So are you suggesting that they would reverse their support and vote for Hillary in the general election? That is very unlikely and not supported by head-to-head polls of Hillary vs. McCain, in which she loses. In head-to-head polls of Obama vs. McCain, however, Obama wins due to his ability to attract Independent voters.

[K Gardner]

28. WTF? And on the last suggestion, I'd rather perform a self-root canal.

[FlyingSquirrel]

29. OK I'll consider Hillary

As soon as she wins the nomination