How is it that Obama is supposed to represent hope and positivity

[terrya]

While some of his supporters here are the exact opposite of that message?

If I didn't know anything about Barack Obama and came in here to find out more about him and his candidacy, and saw some of the stuff here, I'd run away from him as fast as I could.

[Deja Q]

1. Because, at the end of his speech, he mentioned working with the bitter.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x94494

:think:

:)

[saltpoint]

2. My hunch is that a majority of Obama supporters on DU do not comprise

the majorities of votes Obama has won in multiple states' primaries and caucuses.

Many Democrats voting for Obama in those many states have never heard of you and me and the other posters here, or the site itself.

I'm not getting the connection.

[Horse with no Name]

7. Yet many of the grassroots--lifeblood--of the local parties

are being run out of politics by the same brand of brashness that you see here from the Obama supporters.
The ugliness does transcend the internet.

[saltpoint]

10. There may be a few instances of that, but they are not, in sum, going to

represent the difference between a Clinton win in Missouri or an Obama win in Missouri, or in Minnesota or Connecticut or Ohio or Texas, IMO.

We're a teensy little piece of the great mosaic.

[Horse with no Name]

15. I think all of the new supporters to the political process

is what is making it ugly. They have no decorum...only a sense of entitlement.
Conditioned perhaps from watching shows like Survivor and American Idol where it is always winner-take-all and win at all costs.
There is more of it going on out there than you think.
However...it won't translate into primary losses for Obama.
However, it might translate into general election losses.
That kind of behavior is repugnant and generally not tolerated well by Democrats.

[terrya]

16. Well...

Here we are. We sit here on DU and think this is the world. That the powers that be in the media and the Democratic Party log into Democratic Underground and parses what is said here with a fine tooth comb. That the world, in short, revolves around DU. You do have a point.

[gateley]

3. Supporters are NOT the candidate. Listen to Hillary and Obama to make

your decision - don't let over enthusiastic supporters make your decision for you.

[NC_Nurse]

4. Both sides have been pretty nasty on DU.

Those that engage in mudslinging and being rude to other posters aren't representing their candidates very well.

Unfortunately, this has been going on for quite some time. Some people just don't care I guess. :-(

[stillcool]

5. I think we all choose..

how to educate ourselves about these candidates. I do not base my choices on your opinion, or anybody else's. Weird, I know. In this day and age with so much information available to me, I actually use the tool of the internet for things other than slime and smears.

[corkhead]

6. there are posters on both sides who are embarrassments to their candidates

I hope this primary season ends sooner than later.

[liberalnurse]

8. Why that's easy...

Eveyone knows he eats "Lucky Charms" each morning for breakfast, has a horse shoe over the bed and never leave home without the magic amulet.

[cboy4]

9. I think there are some very classy Obama supporters

here.

But you're right, there are about a half dozen people here whose daily mission is to provoke.

And I'd like to know why.

[terrya]

11. I was careful to use the word some in my post.

There are classy Obama people here. In fact, I would say most of them are.

But there are a group of Obama people here who deliberately go out of their way to be as nasty as possible. As you said, it's provoking for provoking's sake. There is no reason for it.

[bicentennial_baby]

12. Like meeeeee!

:P

:hi:

Yeah, some of my compatriots are downright embarrassing. Oy.

[terrya]

17. Yes.

And I'll say that some of my compatriots are embarrassing. One was justifyably tombstoned last week. He was a little too...PROUD, shall we say?

I don't mean to paint with a broad brush here.

And maybe it would just be better for me to stay out of here for a while. Just hang out in the Lounge. I guess I don't have a real taste for the bloodsport of politics.

:hi:

[bicentennial_baby]

18. But I like having you here!

You're thoughtful and I like to hear what you have to say, friend. :pals:

:hi:

[terrya]

20. Thanks

You are too, friend.

Wow...it can be done. Bridging the poltical gap. :-)

[bicentennial_baby]

24. But of course!

We may not agree on the candidates, but at the end of the day that's all it is, a disagreement. :)

[cboy4]

23. Yes you are!

Sorry I didn't answer sooner but I was watching an interview with Matt Dallas.

That is one ugly man. :wow:

[bicentennial_baby]

29. Who is he?

:hi:

[cboy4]

42. I hadn't heard of him either

http://www.mattdallas.com/

[NashVegas]

13. LOL .. I Did

I marvel over the notion that I had him as my #1 - until I heard him at the debates.

[KittyWampus]

14. Well, I'veposted threads about his Poverty policies, his Telecom/Tech policies, his appeal

to moderates and indies so as to have a decided majority and hence a mandate.

I've tried to discuss his past accomplishments.

I've also had to counter innumerable threads started by Hillary supporters claiming he has no policies and is an empty suit.

You seem to think that Hillary supporters and her own fucked up campaign can say anything, throw out any race-baiting smear and we are supposed to just bend over?

[Straight Shooter]

19. "her own fucked up campaign can say anything, throw out any race-baiting smear"

n/t

[KittyWampus]

21. thanks for highlighting that. Maybe you've had an epiphany.

[bellasgrams]

44. Straight- Your post is one that really riles me and probably other

Hillary supporters. She has absolutely done no race-baiting smears and I am offended by these slurs being tossed around. You people are always throwing race into the equation. Race has nothing to do with it. I can't even imagine what you are referring to in regards to Hillary. There is no way any Dem. running for Pres. would ever do that. They want to unite and draw all people into their support base. There is absolutely no way Hillary or anyone would do that. On the other hand BO has done a lot of damage to the party by trying to use the race card.

[terrya]

25. I detest race baiting.

I saw it here last night and I was fucking livid. There is no place for that shit, period.

I'm sorry that people around here engage in that. I really am.

[rug]

22. Every family has some members who need the shit smacked out of them.

I don't hold Obama totally responsible.

[terrya]

27. I don't hold him responsible. Of course not.

And if he wins, I'll hop on board and support him. I will not allow a man who is clearly unsuitable to be President, John McCain, to be elected. If it isn't to be Hillary, it will be Obama.

[bridgit]

26. You are completely correct, terrya, some would think that Obama supporters...

would take his lead on this 'change' bullshit, and change their shrieking tone of condescension, derision, division, and debasement. It is just such a tacky spectacle to watch Obama supporters ignore the hopes & dreams of their own candidate. Too many Obamaphiles don't even seem to be capable of the level of change he's referring to.

[Blue-Jay]

28. LOL!

"change their shrieking tone of condescension, derision, division, and debasement."

It's funny because you just did what you're accusing other people of doing.

[bridgit]

32. No dear, your use of *italics* will not absolve you from contributing...

to the oddities Obama supporters bring here, sorry

[Blue-Jay]

34. Not my fault if you don't see the irony of your post,

dear.

[JVS]

49. OH NOes!!11! You are not absolved!

:cry:

[tekisui]

30. He is not his supporters.

Especially at DU.

[terrya]

31. No.

I just let some people here get to me. And that was this was about.

Hopefully, this thing will sink. Sometimes, I post things when I'm upset, which are seen differently later on.

[Moochy]

33. Sometimes a candidate attracts assholes

And if you estimate the asshole quotient (AQ) of a population at about 25% of the general population, you are bound to have some in every camp.
Good thing you are too smart to use your reactions to a random sample on a public political message board to determine your vote.

[cboy4]

43. AQ!!

:spray:

I'm going to have to use that. lol

[THUNDER HANDS]

35. how is it that Hillary represents experience

when so many of her supporters here joined up in the past couple of months?

[terrya]

37. I've been here since 2003

Are you suggesting that most of her supporters are trolls?

Are you suggesting that I'm a troll?

[THUNDER HANDS]

38. i didn't say all

and I know you're not a troll.

you're cool. :hi:

[terrya]

40. Don't be fooled by people like Hill08 last night

We are not all like that creature. Please.

Thanks. And I'll return the compliment. You are most cool. I'm glad to see you around here...even if we disagree. :-)

:hi:

[THUNDER HANDS]

41. me too

:hug:

[Adelante]

36. Nah, it's both camps on DU, not just one nt

[Guaranteed]

47. Clearly. nt

[Tatiana]

39. Obama's supporters are not Obama. You should listen to the man's words.

Carville, Penn, and (Bill) Clinton say some of the dumbest divisive things. And they are pretty much in Hillary's "inner circle." But I still don't believe half the things they say are indicative of her.

Same for "supporters of ____________." I agree with a comment above; some people are new to the political process. However it's easy to be excessively obnoxious or passionate on an anonymous message board. On the ground, canvassing neighborhoods, and at national HQ, the people on the Obama team have been some of the nicest, most generous, helpful people I have ever encountered. I've enjoyed some vigorous and interesting policy discussions with many.

[pathansen]

45. Yes, lots negative, illogical responses

[Guaranteed]

46. Look at YOUR post.

You've got a post here aimed directly at Obama supporters- and one of the first responses makes reference to bitterness.

LOL.

[DemGa]

48. It's based on a weird kind of "oppositeness" isn't it?

They say they move past the partisan divisions, but then embrace the results of right-wing attacks -- as in their virulent Hillary-hate. It's very bizarre indeed.

With that sort of cracked foundation in thought, I believe the whole structure is flawed -- and therefore likely doomed.

[mopinko]

50. i do think that paid trolls are poisoning the debate.

not that all the posters who get emotional, (including me) are trolls. just that they are creating an atmosphere of contention. there is a lot of frustration because so much of what they post is not only bull, but through the looking glass nuts.
people really believe in obama. i am one of them. i am one of them because i have seen him up close. i know who supports him here. i know what kind of person he is.
i hope you will come to trust him, t. because he needs to have a real landslide to really make change.

[RBInMaine]

51. Hillary's people have spamming negative crap at Obama.

Hillary's people have been spamming this forum with negative and negative post against Obama.
BE FAIR. Also, Hillary and Bill continue to attack Obama. Desperate. Sad and desperate.

[AZBlue]

52. Could say the exact same thing about HRC supporters here on DU.

I'd say collectively we've all be behaving pretty horribly.