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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:21 AM
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Superdelegate supporting-Clinton: "former president has screwed this thing up for her big-time"
Quote of the Day

"They need to send him out of the country for a long, long time. I am angry at Bill Clinton and I think there are other Hillary people who are angry at Bill, who felt that she was running a very good, solid campaign -- she wasn't the exciting one, but she was the solid one -- and then he came in and made it nasty, and single-handedly pushed away black voters."

-- A superdelegate supporting Sen. Hillary Clinton, quoted by the Baltimore Sun, adding the former president "has screwed this thing up for her big-time."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/02/17/quote_of_the_day.html
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:32 AM
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1. The problem with Hillary is HIllary
of course, she will try to shift the blame as surely as she will try to steal the nomination.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:44 AM
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9. Ouch
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, but Bill Clinton was a part of this from the beginning.

First of all, the Clinton name undeniably brought a kind of credibility to the campaign that other candidates had to try to earn--most failed. From my perspective, I also thought that Sen. Clinton ran a steady--if uninspiring--campaign. It wasn't until Pres. Clinton got involved that the campaign got noticeably ugly. This was a real turn-off for me, personally.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:35 AM
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2. I think Bill got a raw deal in the press with his statements miscast and twisted
by the media and the Obama campaign. he's a fine man, was an excellent president, and despite the twaddle that's posted here and written elsewhere, Bill Clinton remains a fine person and a fantastic Democrat. If folks want to switch to support Obama, they don't need to push off of Bill Clinton. Just do it and shut the f**k up about it already. What a bore.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 08:36 AM
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3. So it was Bill who ignored more than half the states in the country
put no organization in place for the caucuses, didn't campaign in rural counties, stuck with a campaign manager who watched soap operas during the day, and ran out of money at the end of January.

This "it's all somebody's else's fault" BS is another warped extension of the cult of Hillary.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:07 AM
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5. Exactly. Bill was only a small ornament on this truly dysfunctional tree that is
representative of Hillary and Hillary alone.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:05 AM
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4. I agree. He has made it very hard for superdelegates to support
Hillary, because the black constituency is pissed.

The "ignore 40 states" strategy is also very demeaning, especially when it discounts a win of states with a lot of black people.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:28 AM
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6. Misunderestimating Obama was their big mistake
and it wasn't only Billl that did. And incredibly they're still doing it.

Unfortunately for them they're in a downward spiral now. The more desperate they sound the more they will lose support, the more support they lose the more desperate they will sound.

Bill Clinton is guilty of trying to make the election about him just as he does with everything. But it wasn't only him that 'screwed it up big time"
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:32 AM
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7. The current president has screwed it up too!
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 09:32 AM
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8. Example of what a mess a Hillary Clinton presidency would be.
She claims she can control Bill but she can't. If anyone believes she would be left alone to make her own policy decisions without his meddling they're wrong. This is one of the reasons I can't support Hillary.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-17-08 10:11 AM
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10. The great Two-fer is a seriously co-dependent couple
Edited on Sun Feb-17-08 10:32 AM by HereSince1628
They are baby-boomers without multi-generational experience to draw on to help them negotiate the brave new world of two career couples.

They are stuck in a pattern of short and long term cycles. First there is love and support, then regrets of the 'it's my turn now, I didn't take care of me' variety, followed by the it's not my fault which brings them back to the I'll always love and support you...

Their inability to resolve this sucks advisors and supporters alike into the Clintonian vortex that then spits out the human detritus into camps that "hate each other."












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